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01:45 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Mon Gia Mal Cha), 5966 points, T:3781, zombified by a diseased dwarf corpse
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03:02 <elenmirie> Friday 13th
03:02 <elenmirie> what fresh hell awaits?
03:09 <cbus> :D
03:13 <mobileuser> oof thanks for the warning
03:13 <mobileuser> -1 luck
03:16 <elenmirie> There was a devnull a few years ago where we had Friday 13th and new moon 
03:17 <elenmirie> everyone wanted to ascend on that day :)
03:17 <mobileuser> October 13 this year!
03:17 <elenmirie> ooh1
03:17 <elenmirie> !
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07:58 <K2> hah
07:59 <K2> today is ozzy's birthday!
07:59 <K2> \o/
07:59 <nabru> \o/
07:59 <K2> this makes me want to do a thing for the dog's bdays in evilhack
08:14 <stenno> congrats ozzy
08:15 <K2> he is 8
08:16 <stenno> so a  little bit older already (but not _that_ old)
08:21 <K2> well sorta
08:22 <K2> Koa passed away when she was 11½
08:22 <K2> larger dogs tend to have a shorter life span :(
08:23 <K2> 13-14 is typically max
08:23 <stenno> aw man :/
08:25 <K2> both dogs are pretty healthy tho
08:26 <K2> not overweight
08:26 <stenno> good good
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08:53 <K2> hmm
08:53 <K2> kathryn summoned a bunch of minions, now i'm getting a cascade of this
08:53 <K2> mon (5642733a6740) at <49,6> is not there!  Program in disorder!  (Saving and reloading may fix this problem.)
08:53 <K2> with varying coordinates
08:54 <K2> that coordinate is in one of the middle zoos, but we're in kathryn's throne room
08:55 <K2> another coordinate is outside on the ice plain
08:55 <K2> wtf
08:55 <K2> hackemslashem you didnt come across this did you?
08:56 <hackemslashem> I've seen that error but not sure it's the same scenario
08:57 <K2> as soon as she cast summon minion it happened. one that summoned a ton of monsters
08:57 <K2> ooof
08:57 <hackemslashem> #159 was because of antimatter vortex engulfing doppleganger, so probably not this
09:03 <hackemslashem> How does summon minion work?
09:04 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had Fire Brand bestowed upon him by Huan Ti, on T:43461 (7:56:16)
09:08 <K2> mcastu
09:08 <K2> i'm looking
09:10 <hackemslashem> Gesundheit!
09:11 <botifico> [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±4] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/35b5158a31a1...a333f2913743
09:11 <botifico> [EvilHack] k21971 a333f29 - Bourbon and Ozzy birthdays.
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09:15 <K2> huh, apparently count can be zero?
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09:26 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had Secespita bestowed upon him by Huan Ti, on T:44335 (8:18:06)
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09:29 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Mal Una), 1369 points, T:2570, killed by a mithril crossbow bolt
09:44 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:2257 (0:15:24)
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10:14 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had Trollsbane bestowed upon him by Huan Ti, on T:48419 (8:51:11)
10:17 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:6844 (0:48:15)
10:28 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had Luck Blade bestowed upon him by Huan Ti, on T:50475 (9:05:14)
10:47 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:10667 (1:17:46)
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11:02 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had Stormbringer bestowed upon him by Huan Ti, on T:54116 (9:39:34)
11:04 <K2> Kathryn the Ice Queen points and giggles at you.  "Say happy birthday to Ozzy!  Say it!!"
11:04 <K2> lol
11:05 <stenno> aw
11:05 <K2> its a more friendly msg when she's Kathryn the Enchantress
11:06 <aosdict> ozzy can have a happy birthday from me when he stops being afraid of me
11:06 <K2> he's better than he used to be believe it or not
11:10 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) performed her first genocide (giant eels), on T:12735 (1:40:33)
11:12 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) eschewed atheism, by dropping a +2 mithril dagger on an altar, on T:13191 (1:42:52)
11:19 <K2> i wonder if that program in disorder has to do with the nasties being summoned are rider/steed pairs
11:24 <K2> hmm nope
11:31 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) had Secespita bestowed upon her by Moloch, on T:15624 (2:02:16)
11:33 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) had a staff of war entrusted to her by Moloch, on T:15764 (2:03:31)
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11:51 <botifico> [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/a333f2913743...63d82255e459
11:51 <botifico> [EvilHack] k21971 63d8225 - Fix: monster spell 'Summon nasties'.
11:53 <K2> !who
11:53 <Hecubus> K2: [hdf-us] dbanethacker [evil] Loggers [evil] :: [hdf-eu] No current players :: [hdf-au] No current players
11:53 <dbanethacker> !hello
11:53 <Hecubus> Hello dbanethacker, Welcome to #evilhack
11:54 <K2> heh
11:54 <K2> you can just say 'hello'
11:55 <dbanethacker> 'hello' !
11:56 <Loggers_VIII> hi
11:56 <Hecubus> Hello Loggers_VIII, Welcome to #evilhack
11:56 <stenno> moin
11:56 <stenno> :v
11:57 <K2> aloha
11:57 <Hecubus> Hello K2, Welcome to #evilhack
11:57 <K2> i may kill that function
11:57 <K2> the novelty wore off long ago
11:57 <Loggers_VIII> noo :(
11:58 <Loggers_VIII> question, how does intrinsic water walking work with lava? If I'm wearing non burnable boots can I walk on lava without fear of dying?
11:58 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed Croesus, on T:55633 (10:29:52)
11:59 <K2> no
11:59 <K2> they have to be fireproof water walking boots
11:59 <K2> oh intrinsic?
11:59 <K2> like as a monk?
11:59 <bouquet> EoTA won't protect me from beholder gaze, will it?
11:59 <K2> bouquet no it wont
11:59 <K2> the eyes of the overworld can tho
12:00 <bouquet> that's what I meant... so used to type eota!
12:00 <Loggers_VIII> k2 yes as a monk
12:00 <bouquet> so I can keep the magic glasses on when punching a beholder in its stupid face?
12:00 <Loggers_VIII> I'm wearing silver kicking boots
12:00 <K2> if you can walk walk as a monk, you're already fireproof so yay
12:00 <K2> your boots will burn up if they arent fireproof
12:00 <K2> silver doesnt burn
12:01 <Loggers_VIII> haha yes
12:01 <K2> there is no 'melt' mechanic
12:01 <K2> (but there prob should be)
12:01 <K2> bouquet yes
12:01 <Loggers_VIII> no more levitation management :)
12:01 <Loggers_VIII> no k2 it's very realistic silver doesn't melt
12:02 <Loggers_VIII> everyone knows that
12:02 <K2> Loggers_VIII keep in mind objects in open inventory will burn if they arent also fireproof
12:02 <bouquet> silver doesn't even have a melting point.
12:02 <bouquet> science!
12:02 <K2> bouquet you can still take damage from beholder gazes while wearing the OotO, but the crazy lethal effects are negated
12:02 <bouquet> which, specifically?
12:03 <Loggers_VIII> Oh I didn't know that, I've just been taking em off to fight them
12:03 <bouquet> wasn't there a movement to make towels able to cover glasses?
12:03 <K2> https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/355900699790d8555665a6e8c9965d609e5c3cb4
12:03 <K2> commit is over 3 yrs old :)
12:04 <Loggers_VIII> bouquet that seems weird
12:04 <Loggers_VIII> have you ever tried to wear glasses and a towel at the same time? :)
12:04 <bouquet> brb, putting on glasses and towel
12:05 <Loggers_VIII> lol
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12:08 <bouquet> what is "partial stoning protection"?  A lower chance of stoning, or you just get a little stiff?
12:09 <bouquet> I think I'll treat this as an extra turn to swap my glasses for a blindfold.
12:12 <K2> read the link i posted
12:15 <bouquet> I got it, just making noise.
12:16 <bouquet> or maybe partial stoning yields the YAFM "you feel a little buzz"?
12:22 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Gia Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:1987 (0:40:06)
12:37 <bouquet> did evilhack expand the generation are of &? I've been seeing hezrou and weredemons outside of gehennom lately.
12:39 <dbanethacker> For awhile it's been confirmed that water demons can bring in other demons, even powerful ones like Jubilex.  It happened to me more times than I wanted (sob).
12:42 <bouquet> there's a graveyard on this level and there's hezrou and vrocks in it
12:46 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Gia Fem Neu) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:3003 (1:00:30)
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12:47 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:10207 (1:36:29)
12:50 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Gia Fem Neu) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:3252 (1:04:48)
13:02 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:11360 (1:51:11)
13:08 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had Ogresmasher bestowed upon him by Huan Ti, on T:58486 (11:00:14)
13:09 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Mon Hum Mal Cha) used a forge to create Ashmar, on T:58523 (11:01:19)
13:15 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had Dragonbane bestowed upon him by Huan Ti, on T:59431 (11:07:07)
13:15 <Loggers_VIII> yessss
13:15 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Inf Gia Mal Una) eschewed atheism, by dropping 3 crude daggers on an altar, on T:7803 (1:02:42)
13:18 <stenno> @e? woolly mammoth
13:18 <Hecubus> woolly mammoth (q) | Lvl: 24 | Diff: 26 | Spd: 10 | Res: cold | Confer: nothing | MR: 0 | Gen: gehennom dungeons | AC: 2 | Atk: 6d6 butt physical, 1d8 hug physical, 6d6 butt knockback | Align: 0 | genocidable, herbivore, thick hide, infravis
13:18 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Mon Hum Mal Cha) used a forge to create the Gauntlets of Purity, on T:59992 (11:10:44)
13:20 <Loggers_VIII> @e?mumak
13:20 <Hecubus> mumak (q) | Lvl: 8 | Diff: 10 | Spd: 9 | Res: none | Confer: nothing | MR: 0 | Gen: gehennom dungeons | AC: 0 | Atk: 4d12 butt physical, 2d6 bite physical, 1d6 hug physical | Align: -2 | genocidable, herbivore, thick hide, infravis
13:23 <Loggers_VIII> weird how much stronger than the titanothere and baluchitherium mumakil are
13:24 <mobileuser> much less HP though
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13:33 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Inf Gia Mal Una), 15339 points, T:8883, killed by a dwarf queen
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13:36 <Loggers_VIII> k2: the GoPur are supposed to block MHP drain from the touch of death spell, right?
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13:47 <stenno> wow is conflict nerfed?
13:47 <qt> nerfed in what way?
13:48 <stenno> wargs got conflicted very sparsely
13:48 <qt> afaik it got nerfed in evilhack the same way it got nerfed in 3.7, doesn't work if you're blind, only works if you're not invisible -- basically the monster needs to be able to see you, and you need to be able to see the monster
13:48 <qt> idk if it got nerfed beyond that (like making monsters resist it more often)
13:49 <stenno> noted
13:50 <krm26> yeah, it has always *felt* substantially more ineffective than just "they need to see you now" but i've never investigated
13:50 <stenno> maybe its range limited?
13:50 <stenno> https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/0426088cad8643df921c5d591015fc9fde859474
13:51 <stenno>  when causing conflict (ring of conflict is most common), it now takes the players charisma score into account
13:51 <stenno> Ch: 8
13:51 <qt> there is some range limitation krm26
13:51 <stenno> so be it
13:51 <qt> 8 squares
13:51 <stenno> conflict was really op ngl
13:52 <stenno> my favorite cc tool in vanilla
13:52 <stenno> the charisma thing is also in 3.7, isn't it
13:52 <krm26> yeah, that is it, charisma -- can be a real screw
13:53 <qt> and yeah the chance to resist conflict is 1 - (([your Cha] - [monster level] + [your level]) / 20)
13:53 <stenno> yes same commit is in vanilla https://github.com/NetHack/NetHack/commit/2f255560252b0c18ed468baf94b58654bd5413f7
13:54 <stenno> i remember my high cha conflict build attempt
13:54 <qt> your xlvl is 10, so even a level 1 monster has a 15% chance to resist
13:55 <stenno> wow, conflicted monster used its ranged weapon against another monster
13:55 <stenno> first time i see that
13:55 <stenno> qt: damn lol
13:55 <stenno> still good!
13:55 <stenno> Aleax, riding a warg
13:55 <stenno> lets see if the aleax gets thrown off when the warg conflicts
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14:10 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] stenno (Mon Cen Fem Neu) killed Aphrodite, on T:7082 (1:33:01)
14:11 <K2> <stenno> lets see if the aleax gets thrown off when the warg conflicts <-- not necessarily thrown, but you'll see the rider attack the steed and vice versa
14:12 <K2> while being ridden
14:12 <stenno> i see, nice
14:12 <K2> its quite funny actually
14:12 <K2> tbh prob should be thrown
14:12 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] stenno (Mon Cen Fem Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a fire elemental, on T:7138 (1:35:03)
14:12 <stenno> noooo
14:12 <stenno> rip my stuff
14:12 <stenno> literally
14:13 <K2> :/
14:13 <stenno> fire elemental is a terrible polyform
14:20 <krm26> yeah, i've always been disappointed i can't drown/burn up riders by conflicting them off their flying steeds
14:23 <K2> <Loggers_VIII> k2: the GoPur are supposed to block MHP drain from the touch of death spell, right? <--- it should but it currently does not
14:23 <K2> working on a fix
14:24 <stenno> krm26: if evilhack has the same conflict rules as vanilla, you can conflict the riders actually
14:24 <stenno> with the new conflict rules
14:27 <K2> oops Loggers_VIII hold on, i thought i was wearing my GoPur but wasnt in this test
14:28 <Loggers_VIII> I've been losing HP constantly from touch of death with them on
14:28 <K2> yeah i made sure wand/finger of death was covered
14:29 <K2> neglected monster spell 'touch of death'
14:29 <K2> oopsies
14:29 <Loggers_VIII> lol
14:29 <K2> easy enough to fix :)
14:31 <K2> i even accounted for Death's melee attack
14:31 <K2> but forgot touch o' death
14:32 <K2> stenno, wtf did you let me forget that!?
14:32 <stenno> i am sorry
14:32 <stenno> it is my fault and my fault alone
14:32 <K2> good day to you, sir!
14:32 <stenno> i should have reminded you
14:32 <stenno> D:
14:32 <K2> I said good day
14:32 <stenno> am i not a member of the palace guard anymore
14:32 <K2> lol
14:32 <stenno> (i am re-watching GoT atm)
14:32 <K2> aaaah
14:33 <K2> was such a good series up until the end of the last episode
14:33 <stenno> i think the first 4 seasons were really good afterwards it got really bad really fastr
14:33 <stenno> -r
14:33 <stenno> so i will just stop after season 4 and then rewatch HotD
14:34 <stenno> its really shocking how good the dialogue is in the early got season
14:34 <stenno> absolute madness
14:34 <stenno> seasons*
14:36 <K2> lol ooooh my
14:36 <K2> you gonna like this
14:36 <K2> just got this in an email from one of our senior VP's
14:36 <K2> 'I was able to access this website earlier, but now can not.  PLEASE ENABLE IT AND LET ME KNOW THIS HAS BEEN DONE.'
14:36 <stenno> :D
14:36 <qt> what's the website
14:36 <stenno> great ticket
14:36 <K2> ^ website in question is the louis vuitton purses/bags website
14:37 <stenno> ooof 
14:37 <K2> do I respond with 'no' or 'fuck no' ?
14:37 <stenno> did you install new network policies?
14:37 <K2> no i did not
14:37 <qt> you should enable it asap lest the VP be forced to the indignity of buying Coach instead
14:37 <K2> and, I can access the site just fine (I dont have any special permissions in place for myself)
14:37 <stenno> lol ok
14:38 <stenno> maybe the page was just down for a bit lol
14:38 <qt> you should offer to unblock it in exchange for a full set of Louis Vuitton luggage
14:38 <K2> fml
14:38 <stenno> :D
14:39 <stenno> life is hard sometimes
14:39 <K2> i have told this VP before, if its not work related, we dont support it
14:39 <K2> we being me
14:39 <stenno> do you see when people try to access pr0n
14:40 <K2> earlier she wanted to let all this junk email through so she could get good coupons for shit like bed bath n beyond
14:40 <K2> told her no
14:40 <K2> not - a - thing
14:40 <Loggers_VIII> but we love rampant consumerism :(
14:40 <K2> stenno yes all the fucking time
14:40 <qt> why not use your personal email for your bed bath and beyond coupons
14:40 <stenno> oof
14:40 <K2> i told her that qt
14:41 <K2> she replied 'i use my work email for everything'
14:41 <K2> which is against work policy
14:41 <K2> but she is part owner/VP so rules for thee and not for me
14:41 <qt> well it's a flex on the bed bath and beyond cashier
14:41 <qt> showing off she has such a sick job
14:41 <K2> i'm about to blanket block everything
14:41 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law), 840 points, T:3207, killed by a giant leech, while praying
14:41 <K2> and then take 2 weeks off
14:41 <qt> first louis vuitton bags, then you block even louis vuitton blankets??
14:42 <K2> and my boss has no clue on how to do things in the firewall
14:42 <stenno> lol
14:42 <K2> heh
14:42 <stenno> i imagine K2 sitting on hawaii on the beach with a pinacoloda, his phone ringing in the sand next to him, winking knowingly into the camera
14:43 <K2> lol
14:43 <K2> please... please god make that reality
14:43 <stenno> there is an old socialist saying meaning something like: "if your strong arm wants it, all cogs in the factory stand still"
14:45 <K2> yup
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14:45 <K2> i'll just reply with this gif - https://media1.giphy.com/media/Y8hzdgPnZ6Hwk/giphy.gif?cid=790b761195ed32feb96d43c4f5be745c556909187775115e&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g
14:46 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Mon Hum Mal Cha) destroyed Kas, on T:63273 (12:10:18)
14:46 <stenno> :D
14:46 <Umbire> gj
14:46 <qt> stenno: is the meaning like "workers have power to stop production if they choose"?
14:47 <stenno> qt: yes
14:47 <K2> its essentially going on strike
14:47 <stenno> 'Alle Raeder stehen still, wenn dein starker Arm es will'
14:47 <K2> ^ translation: fuck you jobu, I do it myself'
14:48 <K2> NAME THE MOVIE
14:48 <K2> do it
14:48 <stenno> jobu..
14:48 <K2> its an older american film
14:48 <K2> from 80's maybe early 90's
14:48 <stenno> oh
14:49 <stenno> i googled and it said 'major league'
14:49 <stenno> i don't know that movie though
14:49 <K2> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsjoFZEwAyI
14:49 <K2> yes thats it :P
14:49 <stenno> i assume it was a scandal that he said 'fuck'
14:50 <K2> hmmm maybe? I thinkt hat movie was rated R
14:50 <K2> that
14:50 <stenno> oh its a comedy movie, i see
14:51 <K2> :P
14:51 <stenno> charlie sheen
14:51 <K2> yeah before his career tanked
14:54 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Gia Fem Neu), 8612 points, T:6373, killed by a giant mimic, while praying
14:55 <stenno> hot shots 2 is a family favorite regarding slapstick movies
14:55 <stenno> used to watch it with the family when i was still living with them
14:56 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Con Gno Fem Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:4512 (1:04:55)
14:56 <K2> i remember those
14:57 <stenno> is there any reason to fooproof a bone helmet? i assume its already fooproof
14:58 <stenno> oh not fireproof
14:58 <stenno> oooh i can also fooproof by wielding + EW
14:58 <stenno> thats super nifty for my monk
14:59 <stenno> hm no
14:59 <stenno> didn't read the Notes section carefully enough
15:00 <Umbire> Yeah you want to read EA 
15:00 <Umbire> while confused
15:00 <Umbire> or cursed confused DA
15:01 <Umbire> Fooproofing armor is pretty much obligatory if you want to get anywhere after the mid-game
15:01 <stenno> indeed
15:05 <K2> 'The arch-lich casts a spell at you!  Oh no, he's using the touch of death!  You seem no more dead than before.'
15:05 <K2> fixed
15:05 <Loggers_VIII> yay :D
15:06 <qt> isn't "no more dead than before" the message for when you're already dead
15:06 <K2> i found one other spot where Death_resistance needed to be added but wasnt
15:06 <K2> (exploding a wand of death)
15:06 <K2> qt...
15:06 <K2> gdammit yes
15:06 <K2> lemme fix that
15:07 <qt> shouldn't be a big deal to change it
15:07 <K2> before death res, you had to be nonliving to not be affected
15:07 <K2> its not
15:07 <K2> i'm just being dramatic
15:07 <qt> smh drama queen alert
15:07 <K2> ikr?
15:07 <Loggers_VIII> tbf the message makes sense in both situations
15:07 <K2> dammit stenno why did you let this happen?
15:07 <stenno> again
15:08 <K2> Loggers_VIII has a point
15:08 <Loggers_VIII> stenno you owe me 60 max hit points
15:08 <stenno> i will deduce it from K2 's wage
15:08 <K2> i'm not the dev you're looking for
15:08 <qt> yeah it's not like it doesn't make sense, but if it appears in both situations it's no longer really a joke
15:08 * K2 waves his hand
15:09 <stenno> and now lemme return to what i wanted to do - shopping louis vuitton bags
15:09 <K2> lol dick
15:09 <stenno> what it is deactivated!!
15:09 <K2> hahahah
15:11 <Loggers_VIII> lol
15:14 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Con Gno Fem Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a wererat, on T:5736 (1:23:16)
15:17 <Umbire> qt: That message shows up if you're a demon or undead
15:18 <Umbire> Also wait a tic
15:18 <Umbire> K2: Are you actually adding a death resistance property?
15:18 <K2> i already did
15:18 <K2> weeks ago
15:19 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Con Gno Fem Cha) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:6309 (1:28:14)
15:22 <Umbire> Neat
15:22 <Umbire> I was actually redoing the death resistance article recently
15:22 <krm26> kinda blows that you can't slip out of your ball and chain as a rat
15:22 <Umbire> Have the draft up in my notepad
15:22 <Umbire> Nope, chain is one-size-fits-all
15:23 <krm26> what in hell is it chained to when you are humanoid
15:23 <qt> pinky toe
15:24 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Inf Gia Mal Una), 771 points, T:1333, zombified by a diseased dwarf corpse, while praying
15:26 <stenno> Umbire: just checked, its non-cursed conf DA for fooproofing
15:26 <qt> really?
15:26 <qt> I think it must be cursed
15:26 <qt> unless it was changed in evilhack
15:26 <stenno> err yes
15:26 <stenno> phew
15:26 <stenno> i misread
15:26 <stenno> disregard
15:27 <Umbire> Yeah non-cursed would remove proofing instead
15:27 <qt> I will forgive you, in time
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15:27 <mobileuser> I get the feeling stenno is standing in for amateurhour in the blame department ;-)
15:28 <stenno> wonder if i should DA-fooproof rotted +0 GoPro
15:28 <Umbire> I was already rewriting the death resistance article to acknowledge that it technically exists in vanilla but not as like, a stand alone property that monsters can get via flag
15:28 <stenno> i should and i will
15:31 <stenno> its insane that i get up to 3 attacks per action as grand master monk
15:31 <Loggers_VIII> martial arts being good is one of my favorite evilhack features
15:31 <elenmirie> fangirling the Boxer Rebellion
15:31 <stenno> lol
15:32 <Loggers_VIII> plus like... come on. Who doesn't love seeing stuff like "You leap up and butterfly kick the balrog!"
15:32 <elenmirie> lol
15:32 <elenmirie> Tuor killed five?
15:32 <elenmirie> nobody said he didn't kill then with butterfly kicks
15:33 <elenmirie> *them
15:33 <Loggers_VIII> dramborleg was purely cosmetic
15:33 <elenmirie> lol
15:34 <elenmirie> a ptop
15:34 <elenmirie> prop
15:35 <qt> i prefer the Taiping Rebellion
15:35 <qt> it was led by Jesus Christ's younger brother
15:35 <qt> hard to compete with that
15:40 <stenno> Casualties and losses
15:40 <stenno> Total dead: 20–30 million
15:40 <Loggers_VIII> jesus
15:41 <stenno> In terms of deaths, the civil war is comparable to World War I
15:41 <Loggers_VIII> *Hong Xiuquan
15:43 <Loggers_VIII> can we please start a petition for the cancellation monster spell to be removed entirely
15:48 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Mon Hum Fem Cha) destroyed Vecna, on T:67556 (13:11:13)
15:48 <Loggers_VIII> uh oh
15:49 <Loggers_VIII> I think I just burned up the drops in lava :(
15:52 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Mon Hum Fem Cha) genocided alhoons, on T:67755 (13:15:38)
15:53 <Loggers_VIII> I didn't know vecna could have a marker!
15:53 <Loggers_VIII> that's way better than his actual drops
15:55 <K2> Loggers_VIII, the eye and hand wont burn up
15:55 <K2> you can now freeze the lava spot and dig
15:55 <K2> the artifact drop will be there
15:56 <stenno> hmm ominous wail
15:56 <stenno> i assume a banshee on the level
15:56 <bouquet> the few times I've come across gollum he's already dead. Looks like he picked a fight with a piranha.
15:56 <Loggers_VIII> ah thanks k2
15:57 <stenno> oh no it was level sound for a portal
15:57 <stenno> oh, the ice queen
15:59 <botifico> [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±7] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/63d82255e459...b99b50a4d680
15:59 <botifico> [EvilHack] k21971 b99b50a - Fix: missing a couple cases where Death_resistance should have been included.
16:00 <K2> not live yet but will be soon
16:00 <K2> bbl
16:01 <K2> crap i misspelled a thing
16:03 <botifico> [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/b99b50a4d680...5d3a13faf109
16:03 <botifico> [EvilHack] k21971 5d3a13f - I can't spell.
16:03 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Inf Gia Mal Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:1524 (0:06:39)
16:03 <K2> ok bbl for real
16:07 <stenno> @e?snow golem
16:07 <Hecubus> snow golem (') | Lvl: 22 | Diff: 25 | Spd: 8 | Res: cold sleep shock poison | Confer: nothing | MR: 80 | Gen: dungeons | AC: -3 | Atk: 6d8 breath cold, 1d6 spit cold, 8d10 claw knockback | Align: 0 | breathless, mindless, thick hide, nopoly, vegan
16:08 <stenno> that was something
16:08 <stenno> i feel wholly underprepared but i don't care
16:09 <stenno> @e?revenant
16:09 <Hecubus> revenant (Z) | Lvl: 12 | Diff: 15 | Spd: 9 | Res: cold sleep poison petrification drain | Confer: nothing | MR: 30 | Gen: dungeons | AC: 1 | Atk: 2d8 weapon physical, 1d6 touch paralyze | Align: 0 | genocidable, breathless, mindless, thick hide
16:09 <stenno> tim the enchanter!!
16:09 <stenno> found his body
16:09 <stenno> rip man
16:10 <stenno> i bet the spellbook is fireball lol
16:10 <mobileuser> tim?
16:10 <stenno> foudn his body on the second level of the ice queens realm
16:10 <stenno> its a really stupid monty python character
16:10 <stenno> from holy grail
16:11 <stenno> stupid but also awesome, he is one of my all time favorite monty python characters lol
16:11 <stenno> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZJZK6rzjns
16:11 <mobileuser> my name is.... tim?
16:12 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Mon Hum Fem Cha) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:65720 (15:08:44)
16:12 <stenno> lets see if there is a dead rabbit here too
16:13 <stenno> saber-toothed tiger instead D:
16:13 <stenno> man they hit so hard
16:13 <Loggers_VIII> yeah they are scary
16:13 <stenno> well
16:14 <Loggers_VIII> woolly mammoths are the scariest, though
16:14 <stenno> you know whats even scarier
16:14 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] stenno (Mon Cen Fem Neu), 99701 points, T:10994, killed by a death ray
16:14 <Loggers_VIII> !lastgame stenno
16:14 <stenno> deathed by a kill ray
16:14 <Hecubus> Loggers_VIII: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/s/stenno/evilhack/dumplog/1673466731.evil.html
16:14 <Loggers_VIII> hahahaha
16:14 <stenno> that was a mega sniper
16:14 <Loggers_VIII> if you tried to go any further the snowman would probably kick your ass anyway
16:15 <stenno> i died to him before i think
16:15 <mobileuser> oof
16:15 <Loggers_VIII> @e?abominable snowman
16:15 <Hecubus> Abominable Snowman (Y) | Lvl: 25 | Diff: 27 | Spd: 12 | Res: cold sleep poison petrification | Confer: cold | MR: 50 | Gen: unique | AC: 0 | Atk: 8d4 bite physical, 6d6 weapon physical, 6d6 claw knockback | Align: 0 | carnivore, swims, thick hide, regen, nopoly
16:15 <Loggers_VIII> 8d4 6d6 6d6 plus starts with a stack of boulders
16:18 <stenno> centaurs capped at 16 ch is scandalous
16:19 <stenno> aren't they like satyr
16:19 <Loggers_VIII> no they are horrible mutant abominations
16:20 <stenno> like warhammer fantasy beasts of chaos type centaurs?
16:20 <stenno> ok i can see that
16:22 <stenno> oh wow the dumplog prints that it was friday 13th lol
16:22 <stenno> Bad things happened on Friday the 13th.
16:22 <stenno> indeed they did
16:22 <stenno> i like it
16:22 <Loggers_VIII> I was half joking, but now that I'm thinking about it most greek stories about centaurs have them as some sort drunk, belligerent party race who kidnap women
16:22 <Loggers_VIII> haha the game tried to warn you
16:23 <stenno> should i be WEAK and wait until the 14th with my next game
16:24 <stenno> maybe i should, so i can do some more reading on branches
16:24 <stenno> i planned to sacfest earlier but had no decent way to create monster
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16:24 <Umbire> Satyr are more charmers
16:25 <Umbire> Centaurs were primarily drunken dickheads
16:25 <Umbire> At least in original folklore
16:26 <stenno> tims spellbook was light btw
16:26 <stenno> it should be fireball
16:26 <stenno> gamebreaking bug
16:27 <Umbire> I think it was cone of cold once
16:27 <Umbire> But yeah the spellbook's random
16:28 <stenno> it should be fireball, its tim after all
16:28 <stenno> and fireball is his specialty
16:28 <stenno> K2: Tim the enchanter corpse spellbook in icequeen should be 'fireball'
16:28 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Mon Hum Fem Cha) defeated the invisible Kathryn the Ice Queen, on T:66499 (15:25:00)
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16:37 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Con Gno Fem Cha), 4688 points, T:8026, killed by a giant ant
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16:45 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Mon Hum Fem Cha) killed Baphomet, on T:70631 (13:54:36)
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16:52 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Mon Hum Fem Cha) killed Yeenoghu, on T:71078 (14:01:29)
16:52 <Loggers_VIII> oh hey I got my yeenoghu bones
16:54 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Mon Hum Fem Cha) destroyed the invisible Loggers' ghost, the former Student of Metals, on T:71096 (14:03:14)
16:55 <mobileuser> revenge!
16:57 <Loggers_VIII> he didn't stand a chance this time
16:57 <bouquet> nice bones?
16:59 <Loggers_VIII> not really
16:59 <Loggers_VIII> I mean, it WOULD be but I'm already pretty much as strong as I'm gonna get
17:00 <Loggers_VIII> only good things were robe of drain resistance+some amulets of life saving
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17:06 <stenno> for some reason i thought that town and 1es were in evil
17:06 <bouquet> I still need a source of drain resist. I guess Vecna before I have to punch too many Vs
17:07 <Umbire> Town is in Un and THEM
17:07 <Umbire> You probably thought that because Hackem uses their maps
17:07 <bouquet> town and blackmarket are awesome and should be in evilhack.  Also, throw in Moria while you're at it
17:08 <stenno> yeah i am getting variant paranoia between evil and hackem now lol
17:08 <bouquet> moria is a good mid-game branch.
17:08 <bouquet> and chelub
17:08 <stenno> i was also looking for the alignment quests which are in hackem
17:08 <stenno> there is actually quite less stuff in evilhack than i expected
17:09 <stenno> moria is great to get gems for the black market
17:09 <stenno> and a magic lamp
17:09 <bouquet> and a magic lamp
17:09 <bouquet> jinx
17:09 <stenno> and its a fun earlygame branch
17:10 <Umbire> Yeah, I'm sad my parked Samurai didn't get Moria
17:11 <stenno> in hackem?
17:13 <Umbire> Nah, in Un
17:13 <Umbire> I haven't played Hackem yet and want to but feel like I should ascend an Evil game first
17:13 <stenno> i thought moria was guaranteed to be generated in un
17:13 <stenno> did that change in recent times?
17:14 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Inf Gia Mal Una) averted death (killed by a vampire), on T:4668 (1:04:35)
17:15 <stenno> already considering to go tryhard mode on evilhack
17:16 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Inf Gia Mal Una) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:4784 (1:06:01)
17:18 <Umbire> I thought so too but it must've been apparently
17:21 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 43470 points, T:19358, killed by a stone giant, while moving through the air
17:21 <stenno> it seems to me that evilhack really challenges you to make the best out of your equipment
17:24 <Umbire> Yep, love that about it
17:24 <Umbire> and there's so much you can do with it too
17:24 <stenno> yeah i agree
17:24 <Umbire> I genuinely want to try like, an all-silver or all-bone armor run
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17:25 <Umbire> did you know bone armor can block level drain using their enchantment points instead
17:25 <Umbire> also CPM is actually worth while, I've been unironically wearing banded and splint mail
17:25 <stenno> i am monking
17:26 <stenno> no body armor
17:32 <bouquet> it's monkapalooza this week
17:35 <Umbire> Oh I know I'm just saying in general
17:41 <stenno> DL:3 wow
17:41 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] stenno (Mon Cen Fem Neu) made her first wish - "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:1280 (0:07:19)
17:42 <stenno> hmm actually
17:42 <stenno> might have negative luck
17:42 <stenno> those might be cursed if that gray stone is not a luckstone
17:42 <stenno> wtf man
17:42 <stenno> why do i find earlywow on friday 13th
17:43 <stenno> gonna continue this one tomorrow lol
17:43 <K2> wow
17:43 <K2> stenno do you realize how rare that is in evilhack?
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17:43 <stenno> was a death drop
17:44 <K2> yeah
17:44 <K2> \o/
17:44 <stenno> well how rare is it
17:44 <stenno> its hilarious that it happens today of all days
17:44 <Hecubus> [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:790 (1:15:03)
17:45 <K2> something like 1 in 1500
17:45 <stenno> lets see, vanilla is 1 in 200
17:45 <stenno> amazing
17:45 <K2> i dont remember the last time anyone found a random wow
17:46 <stenno> i got two scrolls of charging, i guess i can charge my other wand and see if i cancel it with it
17:46 <stenno> so i know if i have positive luck and can continue wishing
17:46 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Mon Hum Fem Cha) killed Medusa, on T:69324 (16:02:39)
17:47 <stenno> wand of sleep glows blue
17:47 <K2> fyi, random wands are always 1:x
17:47 <K2> *random wow's
17:47 <stenno> oooohgggr
17:47 <stenno> argh
17:47 <stenno> wasted wish then
17:47 <K2> not really - save it for the castle wand
17:47 <K2> castle wand is 0:x
17:48 <stenno> i guess...
17:48 <stenno> its not wasted but there were many other alternatives
17:48 <K2> its all good
17:48 <stenno> i will go for blessed dragonhide comr next
17:48 <stenno> if i get another one
17:48 <K2> good choice
17:48 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] stenno (Mon Cen Fem Neu) wished for "blessed greased fixed +3 dragonhide cloak of magic resistance", on T:1281 (0:09:18)
17:49 <stenno> got the +3
17:49 <stenno> hmmmm what next
17:49 <K2> oilskin cloth elven helm or oilskin toque is also good - anti-alhoon hat
17:49 <stenno> can i get oilskin cloth elven leather helm of speed ?
17:50 <K2> no
17:50 <stenno> damn
17:50 <K2> https://eu.hardfought.org/xlogfiles/evilhack/wishtracker
17:50 <stenno> thx
17:50 <K2> ^ get an idea of what's been wished for previously
17:51 <K2> the later entries have more info, early wishtracker entries were missing certain info about the wish
17:51 <stenno> dragonhide t-shirt is epic ngl
17:51 <K2> dragonhide t-shirt of drain resistance
17:51 <stenno> bone gops..
17:52 <stenno> wait i will get arti gloves later
17:52 <Umbire> Yeah if not for the extremely tempting artifact gauntlets 
17:52 <K2> :)
17:53 <Umbire> bone/stone/wood GoP would be baller as shit monk wishes
17:53 <stenno> or just amulet of reflection like a normie
17:53 <bouquet> GoPurity are already hella dope
17:53 <stenno> i think that will help me survive
17:53 <bouquet> 25str, silver, reflection, does the dishes, 
17:54 <K2> bouquet - I left the black market and moria out of evilhack on purpose. i already have plans for a unique midgame branch
17:54 <K2> and the BM is in a lot of variants already
17:55 <stenno> think i will just go "oR
17:55 <stenno> this means this gray stone must be luck
17:55 <K2> fyi, the latest commits i did a lil bit ago are live
17:55 <stenno> so lucky (literally)
17:55 * stenno reads
17:55 <K2> !who
17:55 <Hecubus> K2: [hdf-us] bouquet [evil] :: [hdf-eu] stenno [evil] :: [hdf-au] Arahael [evil]
17:57 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] stenno (Mon Cen Fem Neu) wished for "blessed fixed amulet of reflection", on T:1282 (0:12:57)
17:57 <stenno> ok that was the last one
17:57 <K2> cool
17:58 <stenno> something is really strange about htis level layout lol
17:59 <K2> what? looks ok to me
17:59 <stenno> there is nothing at the bottom right
18:00 <K2> dont forget, at exp lvl 5, centaurs can jump
18:00 <stenno> oh i never do that
18:00 <stenno> thanks
18:01 <K2> i usually dont either, but its saved my ass on a couple occasions
18:01 <stenno> yeah good to keep in mind
18:01 <Umbire> You can still wrest from a spent wand of wishing I think
18:01 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] stenno (Mon Cen Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:1778 (0:17:16)
18:01 <Umbire> Also jumping is good to get you out of pits and cross moats
18:02 <K2> Umbire you get one chance (any wand)
18:02 <Umbire> With odds depending on BUC, yeah
18:09 <bouquet> K2: I think you have a healthy number of branches and support anything you do.
18:09 <bouquet> I just like those two because they compliment each other well.
18:09 <K2> yeah i get that. they are fun
18:10 <stenno> orctown
18:11 <stenno> wait thats actually great
18:11 <stenno> time to sacfest
18:11 <stenno> i even presumably have a luckstone
18:11 <K2> evilhack has xnethack orctown changes
18:11 <K2> its more betterly
18:11 <stenno> noted
18:11 <bouquet> betterer
18:11 <stenno> break for now though
18:11 <K2> :P
18:11 <stenno> this is all somewhat exciting
18:12 <K2> awesome
18:12 <K2> glad you're having fun
18:12 <bouquet> got a 0:3 WoW... not even sure what I want :P
18:12 <stenno> :) thanks for making a cool variant!
18:12 <K2> welcome! thanks for playing it!
18:12 <K2> this makes me want to start a game
18:12 <stenno> gogo
18:12 <K2> fri 13th be damned
18:12 <stenno> still friday 13th
18:13 <K2> just after 6pm here
18:13 <K2> lots of fri 13th still
18:13 <bouquet> K2 is like the guy at the pump-it-up who enjoys seeing the kids (us) happy we're jumping on the bouncy house he spent all day pumping up.
18:13 <stenno> hdf-us doesn't run on UTC+0?
18:13 <K2> nope
18:13 <K2> hdf-eu does
18:13 <K2> they run on the timezone they are located in
18:13 <stenno> makes sense i guess in some what
18:14 <K2> bouncy house!
18:14 <stenno> s/what/way/
18:15 <stenno> i got so amazingly lucky here
18:15 <stenno> not only did i get early wow, i even found a luckstone before to cancel friday 13th bad luck
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18:16 <stenno> puts me under quite some pressure though all things considered ngl lol
18:17 <K2> heh
18:17 <K2> no pressure
18:17 <stenno> yeah i gotta chill
18:17 <stenno> more tomorrow
18:17 <stenno> even though its tempting
18:17 <K2> 'Watch out!  Bad things can happen on Friday the 13th.' yeah like my starting stats
18:18 <stenno> lol
18:18 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Mon Gia Mal Cha) killed the invisible Gollum, on T:1269 (0:14:32)
18:18 <bouquet> this fri 13th has been very lucky for me, but don't tell anyone
18:19 <K2> sssshhh
18:19 <bouquet> especially jason voorhees
18:21 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Mon Gia Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1502 (0:17:55)
18:22 <stenno> no clue who that is but i will keep it in mind should i meet him
18:22 <K2> Loggers_VIII, those missing cases for GoPur and death magic are live
18:23 <stenno> oh jason
18:23 <stenno> that jason
18:23 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Mon Hum Fem Cha) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:72125 (14:18:01)
18:23 <Loggers_VIII> thanks k2 :)
18:25 <bouquet> stenno: I know a Voorhees family and they do have a Jason among them. Skier, though. Not a hockey player or mass murderer.
18:25 <stenno> how am i even supposed to get gopur as neutral, do i have to wish for grays?
18:25 <stenno> lol bouquet 
18:25 <Loggers_VIII> yea you just wish for it stenno
18:26 <stenno> do i get the artifact or do i get an angry player monster trying to kill me with it
18:26 <stenno> istr shenanigans like that
18:26 <stenno> was it only for quest artis?
18:27 <Loggers_VIII> there's a chance for a player monster on any artifact wish but it's not very high for your first one
18:27 <bouquet> stenno: I wished for grayswandir and dragonbane this game because these forged artifacts are hella dope
18:27 <aosdict> K2: does evilhack have the xnethack orctown where izchak is the barricaded shk rather than the general store guy?
18:27 <Loggers_VIII> forged artifacts are VERY cool yeah
18:27 <stenno> yeah just read the spoiler
18:28 <stenno> really like that randomly generated artis don't count against the artiwish limit
18:28 <bouquet> I had sword of annihilation (dual wielded with tsurugi of muramasa) last game and I was like a weed whacker through soft grass in gehennom.
18:28 <stenno> ooh dual-wielding artis
18:28 <Loggers_VIII> man that was crazy to watch
18:29 <K2> aosdict not izchak no
18:29 <stenno> can't wait to play non-monk at some point
18:29 <bouquet> giant samurai is my favorite.
18:29 <aosdict> omg evilhack is less evil than xnethack in some aspect??
18:29 <Loggers_VIII> I think if I complete a monk game I'll do tourist
18:29 * K2 gasps
18:29 <bouquet> I think you're on to something aosdict 
18:30 <stenno> if i win evilhack i might try again without early wow or just switch to hackem directly
18:30 <Loggers_VIII> did mobileuser beat hackem yet?
18:30 <stenno> yes
18:30 <Loggers_VIII> nice
18:41 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Mon Hum Fem Cha) destroyed the invisible Vlad the Impaler, on T:72903 (14:36:07)
18:41 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Mon Hum Fem Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:72915 (14:36:24)
18:50 <stenno> seems to me that raiding ludios in midgame is almost a neccessity to get divine protection lol
18:51 <Umbire> Not strictly so
18:52 <Umbire> Racket's fucking ultra-hard mode but if you don't get orctown raiding some vaults should be enough
18:52 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Mon Hum Fem Cha) killed Demogorgon, on T:73595 (14:46:44)
18:52 <stenno> true, there is a lot of money in those too
18:52 <stenno> i usually ignore them 
18:52 <Loggers_VIII> soko zoo and leprechaun halls always get me enough for around 4~5 AC
18:52 <Loggers_VIII> before it becomes super expensive
18:52 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Mon Hum Fem Cha) wished for "blessed fixed +2 dragonhide t-shirt of decay", on T:70414 (16:39:26)
18:54 <stenno> yeah i usually avoid zoos too
18:54 <stenno> time to get all that money
18:54 <stenno> evilhack meta
18:54 <Umbire> I practically vault hunt as a hobby so
18:54 <stenno> hehe
18:55 <Umbire> p. important skill to learn if you play arc a lot 
18:55 <Umbire> or conversely don't start with a lot of money (so most roles minus healer/tourist)
18:55 <Umbire> I've also developed the habit of bringing as much junk to flog at Minetown as I can without becoming stressed or dying
18:56 <Loggers_VIII> me too lol
18:56 <Loggers_VIII> sometimes it actually does get me killed
18:56 <stenno> just realized how silly protection racket is in evilhack 
18:56 <stenno> you are probably more likely to find a temple in the main dod 
18:57 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Mon Gia Mal Cha), 7123 points, T:3484, killed by a rock gnome, while frozen by a potion
18:57 <stenno> ultra-hard indeed
18:57 <Umbire> Yeah they feel more common in the main branch now don't they
18:57 <stenno> they do, yeah
18:57 <Umbire> stenno: well yeah, there's fucking water and piranhas 
18:58 <Umbire> the goddamn zombies
18:58 <stenno> and you have depose of the goblin king first lol
18:58 <Umbire> Yup yup yup
18:58 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Mon Gia Mal Cha) murdered Sugar, his faithful kitten, on T:87 (0:01:06)
18:58 <Loggers_VIII> Sometimes a hole generates on the level above minetown, but it's obviously far from reliable
18:58 <dbanethacker> Dang hallucinations....
18:58 <Umbire> I wonder if pacifist/racket strats for that actually make use of the elven prisoners
18:58 <Loggers_VIII> what did you do dbanethacker?
18:59 <Loggers_VIII> oh rip
18:59 <stenno> Loggers_VIII: ...wait you can fall down to minetown even if you didn't kill the goblin king?
18:59 <stenno> that sounds like da bug
18:59 <stenno> -d
18:59 <Loggers_VIII> umbire in my experience they can do decent damage but get oneshot by the goblin king more often than not
18:59 <Loggers_VIII> stenno yes
18:59 <stenno> oh wow
19:00 <Loggers_VIII> while we're talking about stuff that is weird but maybe not a bug, it's sort of funny how melee attacks wake up monsters but you can zap sleeping monsters to death with magic missile without their friends caring lol
19:01 <stenno> so zapping wands should be noisy..?
19:01 <Umbire> No, but it is funny to think about
19:01 <Pinkbeast> ... yes?
19:01 <Umbire> And lets you retain your mileage on stealth
19:02 <dbanethacker> I didn't do the right thing, alas.
19:02 <K2> you cant fall down into minetown
19:02 <K2> dig a hole and try
19:02 <stenno> what if a hole generates as a trap?
19:02 <K2> you wont
19:03 <stenno> what if you go to the level above, dig a hole and then fall two levels deep?
19:03 <K2> you dont
19:03 <stenno> ok
19:04 <Loggers_VIII> k2 I must have been thinking of level teleport traps
19:04 <K2> ^ that can happen
19:05 <stenno> oh...
19:05 <stenno> so i'd need telecontorl
19:05 <stenno> or be lucky, for certain values of lucky
19:06 <Loggers_VIII> so yeah, even less reliable than the hole
19:07 <Loggers_VIII> also for your previous question about falling two levels; if you teleport two levels deep you're fine. you just go up the stairs, but cannot go down
19:08 <stenno> prot racket strat
19:08 <stenno> kinda cheaty
19:09 <stenno> i really want to try that 
19:10 <Loggers_VIII> I think the level of skill required to pull it off means that it's gated pretty well until you're already good enough to beat the early game WITHOUT doing it
19:12 <stenno> i will investigate that
19:12 <stenno> prot racket is really a special case
19:12 <Loggers_VIII> it's very interesting, yeah
19:13 <Loggers_VIII> I'm too bad to pull it off
19:13 <stenno> my pet wont possibly be able to kill the goblin king
19:13 <stenno> even if level 9
19:13 <Loggers_VIII> yeah I'm really not sure what the strategy is for evil protection racker
19:13 <Loggers_VIII> *racket
19:14 <stenno> K2: so would you say that temples are more likely to appear in the DoD as compared to vanilla?
19:14 <Loggers_VIII> ughhh I'm trying to put off fighting rodney but I've got nothing else to do
19:14 <stenno> gogo
19:14 <stenno> good luck
19:15 <K2> i'd say odds are the same
19:15 <K2> i havent changed how often a temple appears
19:15 <stenno> kk thanks
19:20 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Mon Gia Mal Cha), 728 points, T:1254, zombified by a gnome zombie
19:20 <Umbire> Like I said they feel more common
19:21 <dbanethacker> Hmm, as a chaotic I killed my cat while hallucinating.  This gave me bad luck, so when I got bitten my god wouldn't heal me.  Alas.
19:21 <Umbire> No
19:21 <Umbire> Killing your pet is -15 alignment, no effect on Luck
19:21 <Umbire> Negative alignment will result in failed prayers, bad luck or no
19:21 <Loggers_VIII> !lastgame dbanethacker
19:21 <Hecubus> Loggers_VIII: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/d/dbanethacker/evilhack/dumplog/1673654243.evil.html
19:22 <Umbire> Though the current date absolutely does not help things
19:22 <nabru> You were unlucky. Because it's Friday 13th
19:22 <dbanethacker> Oh, even as a chaotic my alignment takes a hit?
19:22 <dbanethacker> Ah, thanks nabru
19:22 <Umbire> Yeah, you're chaotic-aligned, not dickhead-aligned
19:23 <dbanethacker> Thank Crom for that!
19:23 <dbanethacker> (from the original Rogue, heh, heh...)
19:24 <dbanethacker> but back to my point - why would a chaotic aligned person lose alignment when killing your familiar?  I thought that was okay to do?
19:24 <dbanethacker> Yes, Ft13th - is that why?
19:24 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Mon Hum Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:75100 (15:19:14)
19:25 <Loggers_VIII> oops dropped book in the water
19:26 <Loggers_VIII> hmm
19:26 <Loggers_VIII> k2 is there a way to enter water with magical breathing if you have the water walking intrinsic?
19:28 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Mon Hum Fem Cha) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:75153 (15:22:46)
19:29 <dbanethacker> drop a boulder in it, then dig for the Book?
19:29 <dbanethacker> drop/push
19:29 <Loggers_VIII> I threw stormbringer at my head until I lost intrinsic water walking, then quaffed blessed restore ability
19:30 <Loggers_VIII> didn't have any boulders
19:30 <dbanethacker> The next Friday the 13th is in October, then not again until September of next year.  I guess today is a rare opportunity....
19:33 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Mon Hum Fem Cha) performed the invocation, on T:75356 (15:27:53)
19:33 <Loggers_VIII> oh boy
19:35 <K2> i dont think so, would have to take off the boots
19:36 <Loggers_VIII> yeah I assumed it wouldn't work, when using ',' it said I literally was incapable of diving
19:40 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Mon Gia Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1247 (0:13:20)
19:41 <dbanethacker> Well that was using your head, eh?
19:42 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Mon Hum Fem Cha) killed the illithid high priestess of Moloch, on T:75704 (15:37:07)
19:43 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Mon Hum Fem Cha) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:75737 (15:37:43)
19:49 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Mon Hum Fem Cha) killed Lucifer, on T:75834 (15:43:32)
19:49 <Loggers_VIII> fuck yeah
19:49 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Mon Hum Fem Cha) entered Purgatory, on T:75849 (15:43:56)
19:52 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Mon Hum Fem Cha), 3307425 points, T:75931, decapitated by a vorpal jabberwock (with the Amulet)
19:52 <Loggers_VIII> didn't know they could do that
19:52 <Loggers_VIII> fun enemy :)
19:53 <stenno> rip
19:53 <Loggers_VIII> @e?vorpal jabberwock
19:53 <Hecubus> vorpal jabberwock (J) | Lvl: 20 | Diff: 26 | Spd: 12 | Res: none | Confer: nothing | MR: 50 | Gen: gehennom dungeons | AC: -2 | Atk: 3d10 bite physical, 3d10 bite physical, 3d10 claw behead, 3d10 claw behead | Align: 0 | carnivore, flies, infravis
19:53 <Loggers_VIII> yep there it is
19:53 <Loggers_VIII> that is ridiculously mean
19:54 <stenno> @u?vorpal jabberwock
19:54 <Hecubus> vorpal jabberwock (J) | Lvl: 20 | Diff: 26 | Spd: 12 | Res: none | Confer: nothing | MR: 50 | Gen: gehennom dungeons | AC: -2 | Atk: 3d10 bite physical, 3d10 bite physical, 3d10 claw decapitate, 3d10 claw decapitate | Align: 0 | genocidable, carnivore, flies, infravis
19:54 <Loggers_VIII> whatever guess I'll just have to remember to genocide them next time
19:54 <stenno> yeah they are prime geno targets
19:55 <Loggers_VIII> I know that I just died and am definitely a bit salty, but seriously like what is the thought process behind these?
19:56 <Loggers_VIII> they are very fast, so ranged attacks, while still the best option, are severely limited, and in the lategame you can almost never clear space to use ranged attacks anyway. idk, it seems a bit silly.
19:57 <Loggers_VIII> you could say this is an EVIL monster :)
19:57 <stenno> two beheading attacks is really strong
19:58 <Loggers_VIII> meh, it's the kind of strong I hate
19:58 <stenno> understandable
19:58 <Loggers_VIII> "any turn spent next to this enemy is a chance of instant death"
19:58 <Loggers_VIII> that's a compelling concept, but as far as I know there's no way to negate the attack, short of cancellation and probably vorpal blade
19:59 <stenno> is there something that can avoid beheading instadeath apart from funky polyforms?
19:59 <stenno> i don't think cancellation helps tbf
20:00 <Loggers_VIII> I don't know about anything that helps with beheading, but I'm gonna go out on a limb and say vorpal blade prevents it
20:00 <stenno> wonder if its 5% per attack like in grunt or 2.5% like in un
20:00 <Loggers_VIII> let me check the github
20:01 <stenno> vorpal jabberwocks are non-geno oof
20:01 <stenno> non-genocidable*
20:01 <Loggers_VIII> seems like they were brought in from grunt so I would guess 5%
20:01 <Loggers_VIII> oh wonderful
20:02 <Loggers_VIII> so then this again poses the question; what is the intended way of fighting these?
20:02 <stenno> killing from a distance i guess
20:02 <stenno> also polyself into headless monster
20:02 <stenno> but thats ta bit silly
20:02 <Loggers_VIII> neither of those are really practical in the endgame
20:03 <Loggers_VIII> unless you have magic missile and a lot of space, I just don't see ranged being an option. polyselfing is funny though ")
20:03 <Loggers_VIII> *:)
20:04 <Loggers_VIII> I should correct myself; ranged is an option, but I don't see it being very reliable
20:04 <stenno> luckily speed 12 so you can at least outrun them
20:04 <Loggers_VIII> maybe I'm just angry and want a scapegoat lol
20:05 <Loggers_VIII> !lastgame loggers
20:05 <Hecubus> Loggers_VIII: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Loggers/evilhack/dumplog/1673531660.evil.html
20:05 <Umbire> I think Vorpal Blade does block beheading
20:06 <Loggers_VIII> thought so
20:06 <Umbire> Also teleporting it away can work, as does stuff like jumping to get distance
20:06 <Loggers_VIII> it also kills them in one hit right?
20:06 <Umbire> It should
20:06 <Umbire> K2: Can you confirm 
20:06 <stenno> Vorpal Blade will protect the one who wields it from any type of beheading attack.
20:06 <Umbire> specifically the first point but the third thing too if you want
20:06 <stenno> says so in teh wiki
20:06 <stenno> Evilhack page
20:06 <Umbire> Yeah but I wanna be like
20:06 <Umbire> sure sure
20:07 <stenno> neutral so i can sac for it yay
20:07 <stenno> but still
20:07 <Umbire> Crown for it even
20:07 <Loggers_VIII> https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/82a54d26b43789beac693aac9de2a7e8054747c8
20:07 <Umbire> Which also has the effect of making neutral crowning gift actually solid
20:07 <Loggers_VIII> yeah it protects from decapitation
20:07 <stenno> are you just supposed to carry vorpy around in the later games
20:08 <Umbire> "supposed to" seems like a stretch but it's a thing you can do that works
20:08 <Loggers_VIII> kicking lucifer's stupid face in only to die to a regular monster's random instant death attack is such a NetHack way to go out though
20:08 <Loggers_VIII> I can hardly be made
20:08 <Loggers_VIII> *mad
20:10 <Loggers_VIII> are vorpal jabberwocks nasty?
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20:13 <stenno> yes
20:14 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Mon Gia Mal Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:3009 (0:47:28)
20:14 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Mon Gia Mal Cha) destroyed dbanethacker's ghost, the former Ninja, on T:3031 (0:47:49)
20:18 <stenno> @e?boojum
20:18 <Hecubus> boojum (J) | Lvl: 18 | Diff: 21 | Spd: 15 | Res: fire disintegrate shock | Confer: fire disintegrate shock | MR: 90 | Gen: special | AC: 0 | Atk: 3d10 bite physical, 3d10 claw physical, 3d10 claw physical, 0d0 claw teleport | Align: 0 | carnivore, flies, seeinvis, nopoly, infravis
20:23 <stenno> does mc cancel cancellation zaps
20:24 <Umbire> If you mean MR then yeah, higher MR makes monsters harder to cancel
20:24 <Umbire> Graz'zt had his lowered specifically so people had an option against dude that wasn't just boulder forts
20:24 <Umbire> !tell Loggers_VIII Yeah, they're summonable nasties iirc
20:24 <Hecubus> No worries, Umbire, I've got this!
20:24 <stenno> no i mean mc
20:25 <Umbire> Uhhhhhhhhhhhh
20:25 <Umbire> I don't know, maybe™?
20:25 <Umbire> MR definitely lessens the effect
20:25 <Umbire> I mean player-style magic resistance 
20:26 <stenno> hmm then i doubt that mc will too
20:33 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Mon Gia Mal Cha), 7063 points, T:3411, killed by a mumak, while praying
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20:40 <Loggers_VIII> @e?magical eye
20:40 <Hecubus> Loggers_VIII: Message from Umbire at 2023-01-13 20:24 EST: Yeah, they're summonable nasties iirc
20:40 <Hecubus> magical eye (e) | Lvl: 8 | Diff: 12 | Spd: 6 | Res: fire cold shock | Confer: nothing | MR: 90 | Gen: gehennom dungeons | AC: 0 | Atk: 0d0 gaze slow, 2d6 gaze sleep, 0d0 gaze stun, 4d6 gaze fire, 2d4 gaze cold, 0d0 gaze drain luck | Align: -10 | flies, breathless, nopoly, infravis
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20:56 <VaderFLAG> oh damn, Vorpal J
21:02 <VaderFLAG> !tell Loggers_VIII My preferred way of dealing with Vorpal Jabberwocks as a melee class is just scaring them with a horn and avoiding them. 
21:02 <Hecubus> No worries, VaderFLAG, I've got this!
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