01:23 [hdf-us] [evil] willisllama (Kni Orc Mal Cha) had an orcish helm entrusted to him by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:3260 01:25 [hdf-us] [evil] willisllama (Kni Orc Mal Cha) had a pair of iron gauntlets entrusted to him by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:3568 01:34 [hdf-us] [evil] willisllama (Kni Orc Mal Cha) destroyed elenmirie's ghost, the former Brute, on T:4267 01:44 [hdf-us] [evil] willisllama (Kni Orc Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:5730 01:47 [hdf-us] [evil] willisllama (Kni Orc Mal Cha) killed Gollum, on T:5981 01:52 [hdf-us] [evil] willisllama (Kni Orc Mal Cha), 13177 points, T:6466, killed by an electric chair 02:00 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 02:03 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 02:08 [hdf-us] [evil] willisllama (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 618 points, T:1676, killed by a stone crossbow bolt 02:26 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Mon Gia Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:8163 02:29 [hdf-us] [evil] lgxia (Val Hum Fem Neu) had a battle-axe entrusted to her by Odin, on T:64237 02:34 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 854 points, T:733, killed by the Goblin King 02:38 [hdf-us] [evil] lgxia (Val Hum Fem Neu) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Odin, on T:64617 02:45 [hdf-us] [evil] lgxia (Val Hum Fem Neu) had Dragonbane bestowed upon her by Odin, on T:64913 02:46 -!- hackemslashem has joined #evilhack 02:46 -!- dbanethacker has quit [Quit: Client closed] 02:48 hi 02:48 Hello hackemslashem, Welcome to #evilhack 02:55 [hdf-us] [evil] lgxia (Val Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed +2 silver elven short sword of shock", on T:65078 02:56 [hdf-eu] [evil] elenmirie (Sam Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, acquiring a magic marker, on T:22094 03:13 Hi 03:13 Hello Umbire, Welcome to #evilhack 03:28 -!- malor has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:46 [hdf-eu] [evil] elenmirie (Sam Dwa Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming an owlbear, on T:23040 03:56 [hdf-us] [evil] lgxia (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Cerberus, on T:67202 04:17 [hdf-eu] [evil] leviyatan (Con Dwa Mal Cha), 250 points, T:651, killed by a fox, while frozen by a potion 04:30 [hdf-us] [evil] lgxia (Val Hum Fem Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:68625 04:34 [hdf-eu] [evil] elenmirie (Sam Dwa Fem Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:24974 04:42 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 04:45 any messages Hecubus? 04:45 mobileuser: Message from K2 at 2022-12-27 22:38 EST: base armor that is hard (most metals, stone, wood, bone) that is dragon-scaled, crowned infidels cant fly wearing that. it's already accounted for 04:46 thank you Hecubus 04:50 -!- stenno has joined #evilhack 04:50 I wonder about dragon-scaled crystal plate mail. I think I have seen demon infidels flying with that. 04:52 right, it seems to depend on the is_hard function 04:54 it looks like crystal is not considered "hard" 04:58 gemstone =/= regular stone evidently 04:58 did CPM in vanilla have that function applied 04:59 ? 05:00 [hdf-us] [evil] lgxia (Val Hum Fem Neu) destroyed Kas, on T:69917 05:04 seems to be evilhack specific Umbire 05:04 Ah. 05:04 Right right, I think that's related to the spellcasting thing? 05:05 I think this also means that tortles can wear crystal hats 05:05 Or, I'd think so anyway, probably not the case though 05:05 Doesn't leather still interfere with casting or... 05:06 for body armor? 05:09 -!- mobileuser10 has joined #evilhack 05:09 any body armor except crystal plate mail inhibits spell casting at least somewhat 05:09 but that's a special property of crystal plate mail I think 05:10 not to do with the crystal material 05:11 Hmm 05:12 -!- mobileuser has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:29 -!- Umbire is now known as Guest858 05:29 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 05:32 -!- Guest858 has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 05:37 -!- mobileuser10 is now known as mobileuser 05:41 "nice" have Baphomet at level 1 now 05:42 so lucky to be close to the stairs 05:54 -!- mobileuser50 has joined #evilhack 05:56 -!- mobileuser has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:02 -!- mobileuser50 is now known as mobileuser 06:03 -!- Umbire has quit [Killed (zirconium.libera.chat (Nickname regained by services))] 06:04 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 06:14 ...and connection abort while reading my only scroll of identify, sigh 06:15 oh at least the poly wand got an ID 06:21 mobileuser, gave up on hackem? :) 06:32 no, but I haven't given up on evilhack either :-) 06:33 so switching between 2 games 06:38 -!- mobileuser20 has joined #evilhack 06:41 -!- mobileuser has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:42 -!- mobileuser20 is now known as mobileuser 06:47 [hdf-eu] [evil] elenmirie (Sam Dwa Fem Law) killed Aphrodite, on T:29700 06:55 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) killed Gollum, on T:1059 07:04 ah damn, no scales from cursed geno gambit 07:04 oh well, back to hackem :-) 07:05 i too have been bouncing between a hackem game and an evil game and i have terminally confused myself about what i'm doing where 07:05 lol 07:06 it didn't help that i had so many magic lamps fall into my lap in both games 07:07 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 1241 points, T:1230, killed by a wand, while moving through the air 07:08 my evilhack game there are only healthfood stores (and tiny minetown tool and lighting stores) down way past the quest, really frustrating when you are id-starved 07:22 -!- malor has joined #evilhack 07:27 -!- Umbire has quit [Quit: Umbire zaps a wand of digging!] 07:35 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Dwa Fem Law) had a spellbook of identify given to her by Ptah, on T:29984 07:35 woot! oh yeah baby 07:38 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) killed the invisible Gollum, on T:907 07:39 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Dwa Fem Law) had a blessed staff of war entrusted to her by Ptah, on T:30213 07:50 -!- mobileuser1 has joined #evilhack 07:50 identify problem solved krm26! 07:52 -!- mobileuser has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 07:58 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Dwa Fem Law) had a blessed leather cloak of invisibility entrusted to her by Ptah, on T:31676 07:59 -!- mobileuser1 is now known as mobileuser 08:00 oh strange, it seems that Hackem is suffering from an old evilhack bug (that I haven't seen in evilhack for a long time) 08:01 overview says "an altar to Moloch" in minetown, but there is no Moloch altar there 08:01 ^ hackemslashem 08:02 what if i start as a big race and i cannot fit through mines crevices 08:02 do i just go down the main dungeon until i find a tool or so 08:05 yup 08:06 i've had the first level of the mines require water walking, jumping, or lev, which is irritating :-) 08:06 but better than walking down the stairs into a lightning bolt 08:09 "You start playing your fire horn. The fire horn suddenly breaks!" hackemslashem make an exception for Infidel please? 08:10 stenno - https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/3bbe184af24ab6836ca595430b4e89a5aaf78ee1 08:10 I'll probably die now 08:10 you made me self concious about hooves 08:11 that is hoof-shaming! it is the GEAR that is shaped improperly. hooves are beautiful 08:11 krm26 gets it 08:11 \o/ 08:14 [backscroll] crystal plate mail is special, there's an exception for it for big wings 08:14 not an exception for the material, but for the specific object 08:15 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Mon Gia Fem Cha) killed Gollum, on T:9341 08:19 the fact that i cannot apply a mattock if its wielded in my hands, because i don't have any hands free - is that a bug? 08:19 sounds like a bug tbf 08:19 dunno the vanilla behavior 08:19 welded to my hands* 08:19 oh? I looked at the code, it seemed to only check for "is_hard".... must have looked in the wrong place 08:19 stenno is it iron? 08:20 mattock? i guess it is 08:20 because then dipping in water will get rid of it 08:20 by rusting 08:20 ok but wouldn't that still be a bug 08:20 yeah was just thinking about your immediate problem 08:21 the reason i cannot use my hands for the mattock is because i already hold a mattock 08:21 gotta find some fountains then i guess 08:21 100% bug 08:21 wonder if thats a vanilla bug 08:21 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 08:22 lets see 08:23 https://github.com/NetHack/NetHack/blob/NetHack-3.7/src/apply.c#L3952 08:24 yeah, Infidel is no fun if your cursed fire horn can just blow up hackemslashem 08:24 is use_pick_axe() in dig.c ? 08:25 looking for it too lol 08:25 also there is use_pick_axe2 08:26 dig.c, yaeh 08:26 in vanilla 3.7 i can dig whilst wielding a cursed mattock 08:27 WHILST 08:28 WHILSTV'DE 08:29 pickup.c 08:29 whilst.c 08:29 ^ this 08:29 } else if (!freehand()) { 08:29 You("have no free %s.", body_part(HAND)); 08:30 freehand() is in engrave.c 08:31 yup i see why its doing it 08:33 so now we look at u_handsy() in dig.c and see how it's being applied 08:33 yuppers 08:34 in use_pick_axe 08:34 if (!u_handsy()) 08:34 return res; 08:34 there it is 08:35 vanilla does not have this bit o' code in use_pick_axe 08:37 hmm did i put this in here on purpose? 08:38 hahahha i did 08:38 it was to prevent a tortle hiding in its shell from digging 08:39 mission accomplished! 08:39 https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/1ae3ddbbc5587d340deb885e19d93a8d133dbbb1 08:40 :D 08:40 i think changing u_handsy to hidinshell should do the trick 08:40 just playing for 2 hours total, already found two bugs 08:40 i'll play with it 08:40 PROLIFIC 08:40 stenno is a bug magnet 08:40 \o/ 08:41 is that a compliment? i am not sure :D 08:41 hahah 08:41 no, its good 08:41 every bug found and fixed makes it that much better 08:41 developers like bug magnets 08:46 stenno, how are you liking evilhack so far? 08:46 found those in Hacke 08:46 m 08:47 ugh, my brain is gone -- does slow digestion prevent cube engulfment? 08:47 i think i really have to experience the evilness yet 08:47 so far its relatively smooth sailing, feels very sporky 08:47 my deaths have been vanillarish 08:47 krm26 no because they dont digest 08:48 that's mighty thin :-) 08:48 stenno oh, you're playing hackem, not evil? 08:48 at the moment it was hackem, yeah 08:48 gotcha 08:48 i was redirected to this channel for hackem feedback 08:48 so its difficult for me to figure out what is hackem and what is evil anyway 08:49 yeah right now, most bugs found in hackem could probably also be found in evilhack. but hackemslashem has added a ton of slash'em/splicehack content, so who knows 08:49 necromancer sounds really fun, but it also seems very difficult 08:49 krm26 more correctly - gelcubes dont have a digest attack 08:50 getting time for a separate hackem channel perhaps 08:50 mobileuser yeah 08:50 it may be time 08:51 just need a place where i can spam my feedback 08:51 here is fine for now 08:51 krm26 maybe good to know: most elementals and gelcubes have no engulfing attack in hackem 08:52 those fucking evil/grunt gelcubes 08:52 worst shit ever 08:52 bitches 08:52 super dangerous 08:54 mines' undeads are really threatening 08:54 i hoped i had an edge as a necromancer but they continued to be hostile towards me 08:56 splattering the blood of my foes around as a monk is so badass 08:56 i feel like those xiao xiao stickman ninja videos from newgrounds if anyone remembers those 08:57 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hw4wzwYeZ0Y 09:06 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Cen Mal Una) became the Emissary of Moloch, on T:19314 09:11 i noticed that monks cannot #technique in Hackem 09:12 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/26dd9b0a6cf9...982fecc00d22 09:12 [EvilHack] k21971 982fecc - Fix: unable to dig if wielding a cursed pick-axe/mattock. 09:12 o7 09:13 woop 09:13 ^ hackemslashem you'llw ant this 09:15 fix is live 09:20 -!- hackemslashem has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:22 spell of sleep seems really good against mines piranhas 09:25 gnomish wizard casts fireball against me while i am adjacent to it -> The gnomish wizard is caught in the fireball! 09:25 what a fool 09:25 heh 09:26 so spellcasting monsters that can cast fire/ice bolt and acid blast, most times they wont do it if next to you. there's a 'yolo' clause added though 09:26 nice! 09:27 -!- mobileuser86 has joined #evilhack 09:28 its like this, exactly: 'fuck this, cast it *BOOM*' 09:29 i approve 09:29 -!- mobileuser has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:29 found krm26 bones hmm 09:29 i was already wondering what was going on 09:29 Studies show that over 40% of wizards subscribe to YOLO or YOLO-adjacent ideologies 09:29 guess thats a good point to properly set up my rcfile 09:30 to set !bones 09:30 maybe it should be enabled for now 09:30 VaderFLAG you liked the sword of annihilation? 09:33 Yeah it was dope, seemed to go off a lot 09:33 Kept forgetting that it would vaporize all inventory though! 09:34 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3252 09:35 can i do the artifact crafting in Hackem too? 09:37 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 09:39 i found a minetown with a perma-engraved BEWARE 09:39 haha awesome 09:39 there are boulders embedded in walls 09:39 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) became literate by reading a book, on T:4035 09:39 mysterious 09:39 -!- dbanethacker has joined #evilhack 09:40 -!- mobileuser86 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:41 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:4218 09:41 hmm a strange ghost interaction 09:42 The invisible Lance Braccus touches you! Lance Braccus becomes visible! You aren't scared. 09:42 (he is still invisible) 09:42 -!- mobileuser has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:44 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 09:46 scouring the wiki for tortle spoilers 09:47 found it 09:48 and they gain hungerless regeneration at experience level 12. 09:48 ok! 09:48 intrinsic hungerless regen sounds slightly op but i don't want to complain 09:49 ok tortles ftw 09:49 i am now a tortle boi 09:50 teenage mutant ninja torle 09:50 yep 09:50 tortle monk is literally that 09:51 would have expected them to be naturally neutral, but they are lawful 09:59 hmm so 09:59 gnome zombies leave gnome corpses 09:59 those corpses might 'revive' as zombies again 09:59 but normal gnomes also leave gnome corpses 10:00 is the zombie-ness of the corpse saved in teh corpse data? 10:06 The human watch captain throws a gas bomb at the gnome zombie! 10:06 -It was not very effective- 10:07 indeed it wasn't 10:09 -!- mobileuser63 has joined #evilhack 10:10 -!- mobileuser has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:16 -!- mobileuser63 is now known as mobileuser 10:16 VaderFLAG congrats! 10:17 are you going to try Hackem? 10:21 stenno, "Techniques have not been implemented. After discussion with some devs, techniques were deemed a nightmare to maintain. Where possible, techniques have been integrated in clever places: " 10:22 quoting from https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Hack%27EM 10:22 Maybe! I must have been away for most of hackem development, I don't know anything about it! 10:22 vaderflag, it is mostly slashem on an evilhack base 10:22 but it adds some stuff from other variants too :) 10:22 oh maybe i should read that article 10:22 thanks cbus 10:22 my suspicion has always been that an evilhack serial ascender will get the first hackem win 10:23 there are a couple interesting articles about it 10:23 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Roles_and_races_(HackEM) 10:24 gypsies removed - wise decision 10:25 lots of splicehack stuff too that will be familiar 10:25 stenno, noticed the evilhack-ish zombies yet? :) 10:26 they eat brains and can cause termill 10:26 yeah 10:26 cbus see the backscroll ;-) 10:26 E-VEEL 10:26 i remember them originally in grunt 10:26 after playing a bit of hackem I really enjoy it like this 10:26 it really does add spice 10:27 next up SpiceHack 10:28 Improved the chances of item randomly spawning with two properties to 1 in 3141. (In Evil the chances are 1 in 100000) 10:28 silly evil odds lol 10:29 Oh interesting. I never played slashem, but I will definitely try this at some point 10:30 vaderflag, if you want to read on one of the most interesting new roles imo check necromancer 10:30 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Roles_and_races_(HackEM)#Necromancer 10:31 they dont get Pw regen but they can collect spirits that are generated on enemy kills that give Pw and Hp 10:31 (aosdicts idea) 10:33 i noticed that 'spirits' are on default autopickup in Hackem 10:33 ~ is in pickup_types 10:34 in the default rc on HDF 10:34 hackemslashem noticed yesterday on stream that shopkeepers want paid for spirits in stores 10:34 lol nice one 10:34 I think it was only $7 or something but still :) 10:34 yeahh 10:35 actually generating and dropping stuff on the floor can have hilarious consequences 10:35 i wonder if its noisy 10:42 oh VaderFLAG, i cant remember if i asked you - since your 2nd asc, ascrun changes thoughts? 10:42 I like purgatory more 10:42 ok, cool 10:47 I feel purgatory could be better, but as long as I'm going in the right direction, i'll take it 10:48 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed +3 dragonhide t-shirt of decay", on T:34248 10:48 priest of huan ti just proceeds to cast protection whenever they can lol 10:49 i mean fair enough, what else are you going to do with your Pw 10:49 still a bit silly 10:49 priest of huan ti casts detect food 10:49 priest of huan ti readies their mace and begins moving towards you 10:49 yeah are they planning something or what :D 10:55 -!- hackemslashem has joined #evilhack 10:55 hiiii 10:55 are gauntlets of defense like the spork gauntlets of defense 10:55 :( 10:55 hi 10:55 Hello stenno, Welcome to #evilhack 10:55 hi 10:55 Hello hackemslashem, Welcome to #evilhack 10:55 :) 10:55 -!- mobileuser has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:55 i.e. do they give knockback 10:55 Time to get our own HackEM channel 10:55 do eet 10:55 stenno: no 10:55 stenno no 10:56 aw man 10:56 they are gauntlets of protection, not defense 10:56 i see 10:56 they are like a cloak of proptection 10:56 *protection 10:56 oh thats nifty then 10:56 were made so giants would stop their bitchin 10:56 :P 10:56 i assume you are WEAKLINGS for not daring to add such a cool item as sporks gauntlets of defense 10:57 I have a discord setup for those discordians: https://discord.gg/SmC4FEGS 10:57 sporkhack shields made it in 10:57 'uuh, monk might might be op :((' 10:57 damn fireproof too 10:58 i see, first sac gift for monk 10:58 half phys??? 10:58 holy shit 10:58 ? 10:59 half phys super op 10:59 in relation to what? 10:59 as guaranteed first sac gift? 10:59 monk doesnt have a guaranteed first sac artifact gift 10:59 oh then it was a coincidence 10:59 because https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Gauntlets_of_Defense mentioned it 11:00 oh you're talking about hackem again? 11:00 its the one i got from saccing 11:00 ok i see 11:00 yeah the last couple of months has been really confusing in evilhack :-) 11:00 i was like 'wtf is stenno talking about?' 11:01 really need that #hackem channel 11:01 hackemslashem: did you set up the channel already, do you need any help with that? 11:02 [hackem] Enlightenment tells me i get 'reduced physical damage'. i assume thats the half phys from GoD 11:02 GoDef 11:03 man, i just can't resist the temptation to add 10 free levels in the priest quest even though it DEFINITELY makes everything worse to level up early like that 11:06 [hackem] draugr zombie leaves a human corpse and revives as a human zombie 11:07 idek what to do against those Zombies 11:07 am i just supposed to run at some point 11:07 I'm a real IRC newb so I'll probably need some help 11:07 sooner or later they _will_ hit me 11:08 But my kid's awake and we have company tonight so not sure when I'll be able to set this up. Maybe tomorrow 11:08 fair 11:08 i will move to discord then 11:08 Would be cool to figure out how the bots work, like for game events and commits 11:10 its not hard 11:10 and irc is *easy* 11:10 over a year ago, I asked discord admins if I could have an evilhack channel there and a discord/irc bridge. was denied :/ 11:11 maybe i could try again after new years 11:11 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Thoth, on T:12893 11:12 'unable to accept invite' on that discord link hackemslashem 11:12 i just joined there 11:12 wfm 11:12 oh maybe i need to login first 11:13 oh right, because i set up 2fa 11:13 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:10678 11:14 i'm in 11:14 cant send messages 11:14 you can 11:14 yeah was in wrong place 11:15 lol ok! 11:19 ok off of discord. i typically dont have that open at work, just home 11:19 just a few more hours, then i'm off for 5 days 11:19 wewp 11:20 gonna take some time to un-fuck my basement 11:20 its a bit of a mess 11:21 need room to workout 11:21 :P 11:28 -!- dbanethacker has quit [Quit: Ping timeout (120 seconds)] 11:34 Yea pushups! 11:34 \o/ 11:35 the new MC/TH info makes me want a third status line 11:35 i've kinda let myself go since I retired from the military almost 2 yrs ago. time to stop being stupid 11:35 krm26, OPTIONS=statuslines:3 11:35 you mean like that ? :D 11:35 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:14942 11:35 krm26 I love having the 3rd status line, i always play with it enabled 11:35 yeah i know how to do it, i just haven't needed it...yet 11:35 I was on a roll til my daughter got to about 8 months, then she started being mobile and my workout routine went to crap 11:35 do it 11:36 it is so much easier to maintain physical fitness than to get back to it 11:36 yup 11:36 but i like pizza 11:36 and chocolate 11:36 (and beeeer) 11:36 and sitting in front of a computer doing nethacj stuff 11:36 k 11:37 what is really aggravating is returning to peak physical fitness at 50 (thanks a lot for trashing my body, daughter) and then your f'd-up spine turning you into noodle kugel in under 6 months 11:37 hackemslashem, my drinking went WAY down after covid hit, otherwise i'd prob be another 10-15 lbs heavier than i already am 11:37 krm26 yeah, my lower back issues dont help 11:37 i'm gonna have to be careful 11:37 0 pullups/min back to 10 pullups/min back to not allowed to ever do a pullup 11:38 :( 11:38 at least spinal injuries don't stop you from typing (generally) 11:38 I'm in the country so I should make a boot camp course in the backyard, with tires and rope 11:39 w/ explosions 11:39 wow country sounds amazing <3 11:39 my wife was all supportive about my loss of physical fitness until she realized i'm not able to reach above her head for the high-up glassware any more 11:39 now i'm surplus-to-requirements 11:39 ugh 11:42 the hardest bit for me will be building up my endurance again. it is currently poo 11:42 but, working to increase that will also burn calories and i can lose weight, so win-win 11:42 first couple weeks are gonna SUCK 11:43 s/couple/few 11:43 s/few/all 11:43 I'm not sure I've ever done a pullup and with any luck I never will 11:43 i did a low-time shortcut to endurance (i think, worked for me) -- kept running 5 minute miles each day as fast as i could until i could push 4 minutes before i started doing endurance training. 11:43 I'm a big fan of bodyweight stuff, I don't mind weights, but I like the convenience of not needing lots of equipment or a gym 11:44 Pinkbeast, back in my hey-day when I was active duty, i could knock out 4 sets of 10 pullups unassisted (from a dead hang each rep) 11:44 Oh, good, you've done all mine 11:44 hahah 11:44 ^^^ 11:44 now, i probably couldnt even do one without help 11:44