01:41 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Grocents (Mon Trt Mal Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:2775
01:49 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Grocents (Mon Trt Mal Law), 2386 points, T:4040, killed by a giant mosquito, while frozen by a monster's gaze
03:07 -!- dbanethacker has joined #evilhack
03:50 -!- dbanethacker has quit [Quit: Client closed]
04:20 -!- hackemslashem has joined #evilhack
04:28 -!- malor has joined #evilhack
04:48 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] elenmirie (Sam Dwa Fem Law) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:7943
05:08 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack
05:58 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Cen Mal Una) completed Sokoban, acquiring an amulet of magic resistance, on T:9048
06:06 -!- mobileuser has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds]
06:06 -!- stenno has joined #evilhack
06:08 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack
06:23 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Ping timeout (120 seconds)]
06:26 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack
06:46 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] elenmirie (Sam Dwa Fem Law), 25441 points, T:11358, killed by a giant turtle
07:13 -!- mobileuser73 has joined #evilhack
07:15 -!- mobileuser has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds]
07:39 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack
07:43 -!- mobileuser73 has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds]
07:47 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:1425
07:48 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) killed Gollum, on T:1720
08:01 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 4258 points, T:3747, killed by a champion of Hermes
08:02 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Cen Mal Una) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:10370
08:21 -!- mobileuser82 has joined #evilhack
08:24 -!- mobileuser has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds]
08:35 -!- mobileuser82 is now known as mobileuser
08:37 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] elenmirie (Sam Dwa Fem Law) murdered Yermak, her faithful little dog, on T:3432
08:55 <stenno> giant mummy stunlocked me
08:55 <stenno> straight up not having a good time with that
08:56 <VaderFLAG> I dislike those things 
09:02 -!- malor has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
09:09 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Sam Dwa Mal Law) had a leather studded armor entrusted to him by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:101220
09:12 -!- mobileuser has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds]
09:19 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack
09:46 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Sam Dwa Mal Law) killed Croesus, on T:102204
09:54 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Cen Mal Una) killed Gollum, on T:11587
10:07 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] elenmirie (Sam Dwa Fem Law), 5156 points, T:5904, killed by a bolt of lightning
10:17 -!- amateurhour has joined #evilhack
10:21 <K2> mobileuser - shopkeepers are always nasty to infidels, regardless of their race/player race
10:29 <hackemslashem> amateurhour: What version number should I start with?
10:29 <hackemslashem> 0?
10:29 <hackemslashem> 0.0.0
10:30 <amateurhour> haha it doesn't matter as long as bigger number is newer
10:30 <amateurhour> the 0ver thing is a joke about how noone ever seems to get to 1.0
10:31 <amateurhour> my suggestion would be to call the first version of hackem 3.8.0 for no other reason than getting there before vanilla does :P
10:31 <hackemslashem> hmmm, ook
10:31 <mobileuser> K2 did you see the changing prices?
10:31 <mobileuser> that was the weird thing
10:33 <mobileuser> 180 zk on the floor, and then suddenly 240 zk when picked up
10:33 <K2> hmm no i didnt see that
10:33 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Sam Dwa Mal Law) had Trollsbane bestowed upon him by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:103408
10:34 <mobileuser> happened for some items, but not all
10:34 <K2> lol 3.8.0
10:34 <K2> nooo
10:34 <K2> mobileuser what was the thing?
10:34 <mobileuser> bone banded mail
10:35 <K2> hmm
10:35 <mobileuser> shopkeeper is dead now ;-)
10:35 <amateurhour> was it approx 1/3rd of the items changing by 1/3rd the price?
10:35 <mobileuser> maybe...
10:36 <amateurhour> maybe the bug is floor descriptions aren't including the asshole tax the shopkeepers put on items
10:36 <amateurhour> or whatever it's called where shopkeepers add 1/3 randomly
10:38 <mobileuser> so this could be a vanilla thing?
10:38 <hackemslashem> lmao "asshole tax"
10:48 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Sam Dwa Mal Law) used a forge to create Ashmar, on T:104360
10:50 <mobileuser> Ashmar, nice
10:50 <VaderFLAG> Can also make gauntlets of purity, but I'm not sure I'd actually use either of them
11:01 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] elenmirie (Sam Dwa Fem Law), 5468 points, T:3638, killed by a horse
11:02 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] elenmirie (Sam Dwa Fem Law), 3 points, T:164, killed by a goblin
11:03 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] elenmirie (Sam Dwa Fem Law), 0 points, T:22, killed by a fox
11:10 <aosdict> hackemslashem: I would start with 1.0 (drop the third number cuz you're never gonna use it for anything significant)
11:12 <aosdict> hackem 0.x would indicate you're still in alpha/beta land and haven't done a big official release yet, but the plan is to do a big official release
11:12 <amateurhour> noone does semver anyway so it doesn't matter at all just pick the funniest versioning system that still has bigger = newer and call it a day
11:13 <amateurhour> amateurhack might have a single incrementing integer as its version
11:14 <amateurhour> pros: server admin can't cry that I bumped editlevel when there is no editlevel
11:14 <amateurhour> cons: literally none?
11:24 <hackemslashem> aosdict: I like that idea
11:36 <cbus> euw, I hate cgrome/firefox versioning
11:38 <amateurhour> chrome's versioning is major.minor.build.patch
11:39 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Mon Gia Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:14785
11:39 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Sam Dwa Mal Law) had a mithril dwarvish spear entrusted to him by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:106130
11:41 <cbus> didn't they have extremely large numbers?
11:41 <cbus> like 80
11:43 <amateurhour> yeah because they have a lot of releases
11:43 <amateurhour> roughly one release a month
11:43 <amateurhour> should see the values for build it's typically in the thousands
11:43 <amateurhour> then in release notes they only talk about major version
11:47 <cbus> makes it hard to remember version numbers and also makes it feel like the releases don't matter but hey that's me
11:48 <cbus> I like semver and evilhacks numbering
11:48 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Sam Dwa Mal Law) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:106587
11:50 * amateurhour shrugs
11:51 <aosdict> I don't like evilhack's numbering, it should chop off its leading 0 like I did
11:53 <aosdict> (xnethack started at 0.1.0, went up to 0.4.1, then said "this is dumb" and went to 5.0)
11:59 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Inf Dem Mal Una) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:53197
12:06 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] elenmirie (Sam Dwa Fem Law) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:4131
12:07 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] elenmirie (Sam Dwa Fem Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:4137
12:15 -!- dbanethacker has joined #evilhack
12:26 <hackemslashem> So if I go from 0.8.1 to 1.0, what does PATCHLEVEL become? Is that the last digit?
12:27 <hackemslashem> And should FILEVERSION 1,0,0,0 go to just "FILEVERSION 1,0" or should I leave the extra digits?
12:28 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] elenmirie (Sam Dwa Fem Law), 5753 points, T:5208, withered away
12:37 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Inf Dem Mal Una) defeated the invisible Kathryn the Ice Queen, on T:54047
12:39 -!- krm26 has joined #evilhack
12:40 <K2> hackemslashem - VERSION_MAJOR would be 1, minor, patchlevel and editlevel would be 0
12:40 <krm26> Ho ho ho, hope everyone had a good Giftmas
12:40 <Hecubus> krm26: Message from K2 at 2022-12-17 17:36 EST: yup you are the first to forge ashmar
12:40 <K2> dont have to worry about VERSION_COMPATIBILITY is no longer a concern
12:40 <K2> heya krm26
12:40 <K2> o/
12:41 <K2> xmas was good, how bout yours?
12:41 <krm26> i have food coming out of my nose
12:41 <hackemslashem> K2: Ok, I'll leave FILEVERSION 1,0,0,0 as is
12:42 <K2> yeah that's perfect
12:42 <K2> krm26, pics please
12:42 <krm26> it is too bad i can't paste baked goods into libera.chat, i really need to get rid of some of this stuff instead of eating it
12:42 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] elenmirie (Sam Dwa Fem Law), 1529 points, T:2588, killed by a jaguar
12:43 <K2> heh
12:43 <hackemslashem> I'm tired, slept at a relatives for 2 nights. Little/bad sleep and kid woke up all hours. xmas was fun, but I'm glad it's over
12:44 <cbus> a so callad xmess
12:44 <hackemslashem> But hey, I got a toolbox!
12:44 <cbus> grats :)
12:44 <cbus> I got my aeron chair (that I ordered myself)
12:45 <cbus> it is nice
12:45 <hackemslashem> Aw yea
12:48 <cbus> time for a glass of wine and alice in borderland :)
12:52 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Mon Gia Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, acquiring an amulet of magic resistance, on T:19660
12:55 <hackemslashem> Weird, there's something that runs when the major/minor versions are < 4 and patchlevel is < 2 (https://github.com/elunna/hackem/actions/runs/3782644910/jobs/6430586410)
12:56 <hackemslashem> Here: https://github.com/elunna/hackem/blob/a58d56101b2da56ff973e174357b32c14d3e6946/win/win32/mhmap.c#L927
12:56 <hackemslashem> Can I like, just delete that?
12:57 <hackemslashem> It seems to be breaking my windows build
13:00 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] elenmirie (Sam Dwa Fem Law), 1356 points, T:2507, killed by a giant bat, while sleeping
13:00 <aosdict> hackemslashem: yeah internally xnh 7.1 is still 7.1.0-0 because just ignoring the extraneous numbers is easier than changing how nethack does its version numbering
13:01 <hackemslashem> Ok, makes sense
13:01 <cbus> do you have any way to denote breaking savegame compability?
13:01 <cbus> like increasing one of the numbres?
13:03 <amateurhour> yeah increasing any of the numbers denotes breaking save compatibility, the game won't try load a save with diff version
13:04 <amateurhour> that 4th value is editlevel, that's the one I'm constantly suggesting to actually use
13:04 <amateurhour> I think vanilla is the only variant that actually uses it for its intended purpose...
13:05 <hackemslashem> How do you know when something will break saves?
13:06 <krm26> when you change data structures
13:06 <amateurhour> things like struct sizes changing or enum values shifting, basically anything that affects what gets saved/loaded or the interpretation or what's saved/loaded 
13:07 <hackemslashem> Ahh ok, but not adding a monster or something like a potion?
13:10 <amateurhour> I think that can change the values for like PM_FOO depending where you put it in the list of monsters
13:10 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Mon Gia Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (gelatinous cubes), on T:20396
13:10 <hackemslashem> right right
13:11 <amateurhour> can't remember how monsters are saved and restored but I guess that could maybe lead to a monster being saved as one type and loaded as another
13:11 <amateurhour> same with items but I suppose with objects there's a lot of like dummy objects for the randomised appearances
13:11 <amateurhour> idk, I'd just bump the editlevel anyway if it's still in dev and not a release
13:19 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Sam Dwa Mal Law) defeated the invisible Kathryn the Ice Queen, on T:107403
13:25 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] elenmirie (Sam Dwa Fem Law), 1099 points, T:2130, killed by a giant rat
13:35 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Mon Gia Fem Cha) had a staff of healing entrusted to her by Huan Ti, on T:21818
13:39 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Inf Dem Mal Una) killed Cerberus, on T:55017
13:40 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Inf Dem Mal Una) entered Gehennom, on T:55050
14:06 <aosdict> hackemslashem: adding a monster or object should be considered a savebreak
14:11 -!- mobileuser has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds]
14:15 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law), 866 points, T:2210, killed by a rabid rat
14:18 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack
14:21 <hackemslashem> Ok :)
14:23 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Sam Dwa Mal Law) had Dramborleg bestowed upon him by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:109404
14:59 -!- mobileuser has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds]
15:08 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack
15:46 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Mon Gia Fem Cha) had a quarterstaff entrusted to her by Huan Ti, on T:22842
16:31 <mobileuser> K2 will any dragon-scaled armor still allow an Infidel to fly? Or was that fixed?
16:31 <K2> it will still allow
16:32 <mobileuser> ah good to know, thx!
16:32 <K2> i really should address that
16:33 <K2> but, no rush
16:35 <K2> mobileuser how's the game going?
16:51 <mobileuser> heh just killed an angel with Demonbane BEFORE crowning
16:52 <mobileuser> got mines and soko done and reached the quest
16:52 <mobileuser> way behind VaderFLAG :-)
17:06 <VaderFLAG> That's a signal not to get crowned
17:12 <mobileuser> nah
17:12 <mobileuser> signal that crowning is safe now
17:14 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Cen Mal Una) had Secespita bestowed upon him by Moloch, on T:14737
17:22 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Sam Dwa Mal Law) had a dwarvish bearded axe entrusted to him by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:112324
17:27 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Sam Dwa Mal Law) had Frost Brand bestowed upon him by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:113010
17:31 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Sam Dwa Mal Law) used a forge to create The Sword of Annihilation, on T:113142
17:32 -!- amateurhour has quit [Quit: leaving]
17:35 <mobileuser> feel you have enough artifact weapons now VaderFLAG?
17:36 <VaderFLAG> Yes
17:36 <VaderFLAG> I think I have them all
17:36 <VaderFLAG> 113k turns and haven't even done the valley yet, woof
17:36 <VaderFLAG> Amaterasu gave me fire brand first and very early, figured it was a sign
17:37 <VaderFLAG> A sign that I needed to be super patient
17:37 <VaderFLAG> When I'm holding Sunsword it says my to-hit is 2 points higher than when holding the sword of annihilation, even though Sunsword has a lower enchantment, odd
17:38 <VaderFLAG> oh maybe because it's not id'd and I don't "know" the enchantment hmmmmm
17:38 <VaderFLAG> either way, enough foolin around
17:39 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Mon Gia Fem Cha) had a pair of leather gloves entrusted to her by Huan Ti, on T:27070
17:41 <dbanethacker>  Dang god has given me 3 pairs of gloves.  None are Gauntlets of Power which I already have and blessed up a lot on my own.  There could be more intelligence to what's given, based on your inventory and your needs, perhaps, K2 ?
17:47 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed]
17:56 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Mon Gia Fem Cha) stole 27 zorkmids worth of merchandise from Inishbofin's second-hand bookstore, on T:27781
17:59 <dbanethacker> Hmmm, as a Monk it says "your extra attack is ineffective while wearing a copper elven shield" - guess I'd better take it off, eh?  I haven't seen this message before - I'm attacking a Keystone Kop when I got this warning.
18:04 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Mon Gia Fem Cha) averted death (killed by a blue dragon), on T:28054
18:06 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Mon Gia Fem Cha), 108591 points, T:28055, killed by a blue dragon, while dressing up
18:07 <dbanethacker> Wow - a blue dragon killed me after "oLS saved me and brought me to 122 HP.  He did it in 1 turn - never seen that before.  Ok Loggers, more bones for ya!
18:14 <VaderFLAG> !lastgame
18:14 <Hecubus> VaderFLAG: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/e/elenmirie/evilhack/dumplog/1672077660.evil.html :: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/d/dbanethacker/evilhack/dumplog/1671956450.evil.html :: [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/A/Arahael/evilhack/dumplog/1671887810.evil.html
18:14 <VaderFLAG> Blue dragons are the worst
18:14 <VaderFLAG> That speed is a real killer
18:15 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Inf Dem Mal Una) performed his first genocide (gelatinous cubes), on T:58029
18:26 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack
18:31 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Sam Dwa Mal Law) killed Ashikaga Takauji, on T:113850
18:32 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Sam Dwa Mal Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:113852
18:38 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Sam Dwa Mal Law) used a helm to turn chaotic, on T:114193
18:43 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Sam Dwa Mal Law) killed Lord Sato, on T:114409
18:44 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Sam Dwa Mal Law) permanently converted to chaotic, on T:114539
18:59 <krm26> dbanethacker: the gods are intentionally cruel idiots
19:16 -!- hackemslashem has quit [Quit: Leaving]
19:34 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Sam Dwa Mal Cha) was chosen to steal souls for the Glory of Susanowo, on T:118507
19:42 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack
19:58 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Dwa Fem Law) had Demonbane bestowed upon her by Ptah, on T:9153
20:21 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Inf Dem Mal Una) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:58946
20:49 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, acquiring an amulet of magic resistance, on T:14691
21:09 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Dwa Fem Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:15182
21:12 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Dwa Fem Law) killed Gollum, on T:15423
21:20 -!- dbanethacker has quit [Quit: Client closed]
21:33 -!- dbanethacker has joined #evilhack
21:34 <dbanethacker> Yes I'll be more careful next time of those blue dragons.  They seem harder than I remember from prior versions.
21:35 <Umbire> They have speed from scales, don't they?
21:35 <Umbire> or am I mixing up my variant scale secondaries
21:38 -!- dbanethacker has quit [Client Quit]
21:43 <krm26> yeah speed