00:00 what i mean is, you discover them by interacting - you learn what they can do as you fight them or they attack you. they dont show up in the pokedex anymore 00:01 https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/5eca9f1ae115c2e8d86a46ebb0c8d669d96cdf45 00:01 ah, gotcha 00:01 that's pretty evil. 00:01 does MC3 help prevent the charm and stealing? 00:01 not sure 00:02 doesn't seem to. This U strips me fast. It doesn't seem to do any damage, but it is devastating in it's alternate attacks 00:02 [hdf-us] [evil] willisllama (Inf Elf Fem Una), 2448 points, T:2204, killed by a hill orc 00:02 nope MC doesnt play a factor 00:03 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Mal Law), 476412 points, T:45727, choked on a wraith corpse 00:03 haha! 00:03 classic 00:03 I wouldn't have lasted with those U with those stats. 00:03 As soon as the game got real I'd be dead. Happy to end it here. 00:03 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Magic_cancellation#Cancelable_effects 00:04 The good news is I left bones in the VoTD so someone samurai will get super lucky 00:04 you would have been fine i think. shamblers are pretty rare 00:04 oh well 00:05 I had 4 before votd. 00:06 my concern was that it would swipe my levitation over lava, steal my weapons and warp away while fighting a demon prince, or steal my MR and poly me at a very bad time. 00:06 you could what if it all day 00:07 I what if like a boss. 00:07 for all you know, you might have choked on a wraith corpse 00:07 :) 00:07 only a newb would do something so obviously dumb 00:08 might make a patch, something like, after you've killed your first shambler, their stats show up on the pokedex 00:08 or something 00:09 I thought that's what was supposed to happen. Seems like something a l33t programmer would do. 00:09 oh thats not me 00:09 Ya, maybe run it by qt 00:09 i'm l33t but not a programmer 00:10 maybe not even l33t 00:10 just 3t 00:10 h@xZ0r the b0xn 00:10 setting up a kill counter is easy enough (there's one for rodney), i think adding a new mon kill counter will break saves 00:11 break them like pine boards at a kindergarten karate party 00:12 oh well. shame you tanked your game on purpose over a giant 'what if' 00:12 :( 00:12 wasn't on purpose! 00:12 i thought you did that on purpose 00:12 I just didn't feel particularly invested in that game 00:12 noooo 00:12 more :( 00:13 no, I didn't have a tinning kit so I was snarfing down dragon corpses for intrinsics. Switched back to MR, ate a wraith, ded 00:13 uuugh 00:13 if it makes you feel better, i died the other day to an alhoon on a quest filler level. ant or giant walked over a poly trap 00:13 meh. I've been playing these games pretty much nonstop since rogue. I've died enough that I know better than to get upset about it. 00:14 and my int was already low due to role 00:14 so i died fairly quick 00:14 alhoons sux 00:14 it's about the journey for me. 00:14 yeah the journey is the best part 00:14 That's why I like goblin caves so much. You have to survive with very limited resources. 00:15 instead of the usual late game stuff where it's OP vs. OP. 00:15 i'm looking forward to sanctum/purgatory feedback. hoping that part of the journey is interesting 00:15 that's why I'm always sad when I die in sokoban. I hate not leaving bones for others. 00:16 heh 00:16 tis the season for giving (bones) 00:16 half the time for me in soko, its 1) finish soko, 2) die 50 turns later on the way out 00:17 I was trying to come up with a monopoly style "free ride" where soko bones all pile up somewhere in the main dungeon but time out following a realtime clock. 00:18 like items from bones have a chance to appear in the main dungeon/gehennom randomly. 00:18 can't have some uber player's +5 GDSM showing up on lvl2. 00:19 it's a work in progress. 00:19 heh 00:19 alright i gotta snooze. gnite o/ 00:22 night 00:23 l8rsk8r 01:16 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:37 -!- chao has joined #evilhack 01:40 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:50 -!- UnFortuneCookie has left #evilhack 02:27 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 03:46 -!- hackemslashem has joined #evilhack 05:11 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:2066 05:16 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:6205 05:16 -!- hackemslashem has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:17 I fired up evilhack to play the new version, but I seem to have a 0.7 game going... 05:18 c - a fireproof eyeball named The Eye of Vecna 05:19 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 13000 points, T:6781, killed by a winter wolf 05:28 The seemingly dead freezing sphere suddenly transforms and rises as a 05:28 sandestin! The sandestin is caught in the sandestin's explosion! The sandestin resists the sandestin's explosion! 05:54 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:5903 05:59 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) made her first wish - "+3 fixed bone gauntlets of power", on T:6222 06:00 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 06:02 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) eschewed atheism, by dropping a sea tortle corpse on an altar, on T:6601 06:05 -!- hackemslashem has joined #evilhack 06:14 -!- malor has joined #evilhack 06:15 [hdf-eu] [evil] elenmirie (Mon Elf Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (vampire mages), on T:84034 06:15 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 17034 points, T:8298, killed by a troll 06:25 [hdf-eu] [evil] elenmirie (Mon Elf Fem Cha), 2091243 points, T:84152, killed by Orcus 06:30 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:1072 06:34 -!- hackemslashem has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:51 -!- hackemslashem has joined #evilhack 06:53 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Dem Fem Una) killed the Paladin of Ptah, on T:37879 06:53 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Dem Fem Una) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:37881 06:54 what race is Dem? 06:54 & 06:55 yeah, demon 06:55 hmm, do you get that when you finish quest or how does that work? 06:55 get crowned as infidel 06:56 if you don't get crowned you can try to ascend as your starting race 06:59 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 07:04 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 07:15 morning 07:15 !who 07:15 K2: [hdf-eu] No current players :: [hdf-us] No current players :: [hdf-au] Arahael [evil] 07:16 all of the fixes from yestersay are now live 07:17 that's a good morning! 07:17 gj 07:18 couple more to work on, hopefully today 07:18 minor 07:31 I think you might have fixed my other hiding bug too, 12M into one fuzz right now and no problems. Had a couple other going this morning too and no eel problems 07:31 -!- chao has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:31 Hmm, Hecubus didn't announce that I broke weaponless. 07:31 On turn 2310. 07:32 -!- chao has joined #evilhack 07:32 I recorded one that hit a "Monster already dead", which is good - but I'm having to replay it and it's 8M+ turns so far, no idea now many turns it happened in... 07:39 Hmm, a bag, which when I apply it, says "Nothing happened". Must be an empty bag of tricks. 07:41 -!- chao is now known as stenno 07:49 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) consumed animal products for the first time, by eating a small glob of brown pudding, on T:3090 07:58 -!- amateurhour has joined #evilhack 08:05 arahael there's several livelog events that are suppressed before turn 3000 08:05 hackemslashem \o/ 08:05 Would this be good enough to stop peacefuls from getting mad at us for falling down holes we made? https://pastebin.com/GNC3d262 08:06 Ah, cool. :) 08:06 hackemslashem why? its your pit/trap 08:06 [hdf-eu] [evil] elenmirie (Sam Dwa Fem Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:2738 08:06 you get the blame :) 08:06 Nej nej, it's a HOLE 08:07 It's sitting there plain as day, it's a stupid monsters fault for wandering into it 08:07 yeah but you made it 08:07 you're old enough now, it's time you started taking responsibility for your own actions 08:08 be me: peaceful gnome 08:08 sees random human digging a hole 08:08 Also, how do monsters know it's your hole? 08:08 staring at him in the eyes I proceed to walk into the hole 08:08 Are we signing off on them? 08:08 WHO PUT THIS HOLE HERE 08:08 "why would the human do this" 08:08 ^ karen gnome 08:09 I looked for the commit where you did this but couldn't find it, was it a 3.6 thing? 08:09 i believe so 08:09 https://github.com/NetHack/NetHack/blob/NetHack-3.7/src/trap.c#L3298-L3300 08:09 I guess even holes can be stylized 08:10 The monsters can smell your topworlder stink all over it 08:10 Bah, in my variant this is banned. It's very annoying in minetown 08:10 are you still a topworlder if you're a dwarf or gnome? 08:10 BANNED 08:10 dats right 08:11 heheh 08:11 evilhack knows about banning people, it bans everyone from minetown 08:11 *learn to swim* 08:11 not it... the goblin king 08:11 he's a dick 08:11 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 13070 points, T:5288, killed by an arrow 08:12 hackemslashem grats on getting past 12 mil turns with the fuzzer. is that a record? 08:13 No no, I've gotten up around 25 maybe more a while back 08:13 wow nice 08:13 When it failed, it wasn't even a game bug, I think asan ran out of memory or something 08:13 hah 08:14 time to buy more ram 08:14 i remember when i first started fuzzing, and I made it all the way to 100k turns. was so excited 08:14 doesn't the fact that asan is running out of memory indicate there are some memory leaks? 08:14 * arahael hopes he becomes as good as a fuzzer. 08:14 cuz it took some doing to get to that point 08:15 Yea probably, there are definitely leaks I haven't fixed yet 08:16 hmm there's already an entry in the paniclog for evilhack on hdf-us 08:16 https://www.hardfought.org/xlogfiles/evilhack/paniclog 08:16 i wonder what that's from 08:17 ruh roh 08:17 that was... yesterday at 5:18pm my time 08:18 to the ttyrec viewer, robin! 08:21 Hah, ok - no angry monster for holes. Anything else is fair. 08:21 hmm tinklebear was killed by a spear trap 08:21 first his steed, then him 08:21 You didn't beat your previous score of 227712 points. 08:21 dmonsfree: 1 removed doesn't match 0 pending on Dlvl:7 08:21 Program in disorder! 08:23 this is odd 08:23 i think the same spear hit him twice? need to watch again 08:24 If your steed dies, do you take falling damage? 08:24 it looks like it 08:24 but the thing is, he took damage first, then his steed, them him again 08:25 spear damage, steed spear damage (steed died), spear damage again (dead) 08:25 spear trap activated again because he fell on to it? 08:25 thats what it looks like 08:25 make sense 08:25 * makes 08:25 stop making sense 08:26 Just reproduced it, that definitely is the case 08:26 Ow 08:27 https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/t/tinklebear/evilhack/dumplog/1671488334.evil.html 08:27 ^ the last few events that all happened on the same tile 08:27 yeah hackemslashem 08:27 i coulda swore a spear trap was supposed to hit steed and not you if you're riding 08:28 Just start a knight, make a spear trap, mount the horse, and run into the trap. Killed the horse on my first try 08:28 i need to look at code 08:28 Double activated the spear 08:28 hackemslashem but did the spear hit you first and then the steed? 08:28 Yea 08:28 https://pastebin.com/QzVbgZd7 08:30 the dmonsfree would be the steed dying tho 08:32 If you die does it clear the pending list or something? 08:32 i think i see the issue 08:33 Oh yea... I keep forgetting. K2, can we release hackem this week? 08:34 What do I need to do for that? 08:34 NO 08:34 kidding 08:34 Aw 08:34 just tell me when you're ready for release 08:34 Coal in my stocking 08:34 I wanted to fix the hider issues, but I think it's ready 08:35 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:974 08:35 I'd like to shoot for Friday 08:36 ok 08:38 Actually I think the hider issues are gone now, the other one must have been part of the makerivers thing too 08:39 probably 08:39 qt found other cases that werent stairs related 08:41 had a wtf moment when I could only throw my daggers 1 square, but apparently they won't go past a forge :-) 08:42 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Wiz Gno Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, acquiring an amulet of magic resistance, on T:21703 08:43 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 08:44 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Client Quit] 08:48 mobileuser correct :) just like sinks 08:48 *sigh*, the stupid town guard is attacking me. Because I angered a shopkeeper, who is perfecctly peaceful. 08:50 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 3710 points, T:2410, killed by Ms. Tuktoyaktuk; the shopkeeper 08:50 Had to read all my unid'ed scrolls as a last ditch effort, because I couldn't get away from that town watch. 08:57 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1323 08:59 that dmonsfree message seems to only occur if both you and your steed die from a spear trap 08:59 as in, steed dies first, then you from being dismounted and landing on the trap again 09:00 if steed dies but you live, no impossible 09:05 I have some edits to mkundead if anyone wants to check it out. I'm trying to make it so Call Undead doesn't summon higher level monsters than the summoner. https://pastebin.com/rsrL0j2C 09:26 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Dem Fem Una) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:39581 09:32 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Mon Hum Mal Cha) rejected atheism by offering a gnome noble corpse on an altar of Huan Ti, on T:3939 09:37 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had 19 copper shuriken entrusted to him by Huan Ti, on T:4488 09:37 hackemslashem, looks legit 09:37 test it yet? 09:37 Only with a demilich, gotta test with the bell and book 09:38 Might be worth making it so it only limits summoned spellcasters, otherwise the results looked a little puny 09:39 OMG 09:39 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Mon Hum Mal Cha) made his first wish - "blessed dragonhide +2 cloak of magic resistance", on T:5269 09:40 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 09:41 only now I notice that the space between the two halves of the ice waste in the ice queen branch is actually open air 09:41 so in theory you don't even need to go past the snowman 09:42 mind blown 09:42 that just got changed in 0.8.1 I think 09:42 ah :-) 09:43 go ahead and try 09:43 :) 09:43 "The boulder falls away and disappears" lol 09:43 if u fall there does it take you to same place falling in vlad's does? 09:44 [hdf-us] [evil] Frozty (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:10440 09:44 well I already killed the snowman 09:44 with lifesaving I mean 09:44 same place? 09:44 mobileuser ah i see 09:44 missed the livelog 09:44 I mean idk I'm remembering wrong but I thought if u fell in air in vlad's and lifesaved 09:45 you landed somewhere deep in gehennom 09:45 still futzing around with this spear trap stuff 09:45 amateurhour no not in evilhack 09:45 lifesaving doesnt save you 09:45 lifesaving doesn't save your life? 09:45 amateurhour maybe you confused it with dropping invocation items in there 09:45 not from falling thousands of feet, no 09:45 been like that from the beginning 09:46 :S 09:46 or confused it with xnethack where it does save your life provided you have somewhere to fall to 09:46 K2 what happens when you drop an invocation item in there :-) 09:46 it winds up in gehennom 09:46 same with amulet 09:46 same place \o/ 09:46 should delete the invocation item because nothing can be saved after falling thousands of feet :^) 09:46 same level yeah 09:46 lol. I guess it's similar to your brain still being gone when you get killed by mind flayers and life saved. "you are still a fine red mist" 09:47 I don't think falling thousands of feet is enough to *vaporize* you 09:47 you chunk 09:47 close enough 09:48 you also bounce, but that's outside the scope of discussion 09:48 open air is kind of scary 09:48 lifesaving works when you're utterly demolished by drawbridges 09:49 yay 09:49 Should remove lifesaving entirely, solves all problems 09:49 its a cruch 09:49 just make full healing potions, life saving becomes worthless 09:50 *crutch 09:50 I guess instadeaths like drawbridge or drowning 09:50 owwwww... i just bit the inside of my cheek 09:50 so uh if you drop invocation items there do they go to the same place 09:50 karma 09:51 hellc if I recall 09:51 somewhere on that level 09:52 Is there a guaranteed hammer somewhere in early game? None in the blacksmith chest this time, and I really wanna make glamdring! 09:54 early game, best bet is that chest in goblintown 09:54 65% chance of it appearing there 09:54 Well I got a marker from the king's chest but no hammer and I'll definitely take that trade 09:55 wooo marker \o/ 09:56 oh I got a marker from king's chest also 09:56 the rng is feeling generous today 09:57 sssssh! 09:57 it will see what you're saying! 09:57 lol 09:58 yay I will get a marker from the ice queen crystal chest! 09:58 hah 09:58 dec 20th is marker day 09:58 encode it as a holiday where the spawn rate of markers is jacked up 09:59 hah this is an actual thing 09:59 marker day is the last day in april 09:59 err last friday 10:00 I feel like you can just google "when is X day" and get results 10:00 but its a sign marker, not write with marker 10:00 hmm 10:00 "when is alpaca day" - september 23 10:00 or aug 1st, there seems to be a schism 10:01 hey aosdict, this is a family friendly channel, we dont talk like that here 10:01 wut 10:01 'schism' 10:01 smh 10:01 :P 10:01 bwahahah 10:01 * aosdict consults dictionary 10:02 yes, i'm weird 10:02 there seems to be a division, separation; also discord, disharmony 10:02 * K2 hands aosdict an artichoke wrap 10:03 dammit this spear trap thing is kicking my butt 10:04 it *only* happens if your steed died, then you afterwards on same trap 10:05 I fixed a couple other bits with it, so if you're on a steed, the steed is hit and not you initially 10:05 https://termbin.com/nwuu 10:05 that way you're not double-tapped. spear should be hitting your steed only anyways if you're riding 10:07 damn all the soko levels are ones I don't know 10:07 luckily what I DO know is how to cheat 10:08 if by cheat you mean read wiki solutions they're all on the wiki :) 10:08 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Sokoban_(UnNetHack) if you want to be spoiled 10:08 maybe there should be an evilhack page so ppl don't have to check the unnethack and grunthack pages etc 10:09 that whole sokoban page needs to be revamped. a few variants share the same maps 10:10 Umbire, I summon thee 10:10 heh 10:11 I thought that it was just pages named "Sokoban Level 4g" and so on, and the various variants linked to them? 10:12 it's more of a shambles than that, a lot of variants don't have pages at all or mentions of which variants have what are missing 10:12 the lettering system used by the wiki isn't used by nethack itself, so the page titles aren't assuming any specific variant 10:13 like evilhack ones you gotta figure out which on the unnethack and grunthack pages is the one you're on 10:13 and fourk ones missing so many 10:14 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Mon Hum Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, acquiring a silver amulet of reflection, on T:8668 10:14 yesss the prize was something I actually wanted 10:14 nice one 10:15 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 10:15 The human zombie suddenly appears! 10:15 lol what message is that 10:16 it may have dug itself out from the ground 10:16 did you bury one? 10:16 no... 10:17 are you on drugs currently? 10:17 always :b 10:17 \o/ 10:17 s h a r e 10:17 heh 10:18 have some violet fungus 10:20 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 10:21 K2 maybe a nymph picked up the corpse and it revived 10:21 (just saw a nymph picking one up) 10:24 you could make a redirect from https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Sokoban_(EvilHack) 10:29 I can't I don't have a wiki account (incurable lazyitis and aosdict would ban me for readding british redirects) 10:35 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Mon Hum Mal Cha) destroyed lacca's ghost, the former Heretic, on T:9727 10:36 haha nice found another marker from that bones 10:37 mobileuser sounds legit 10:37 Loggers_VIII you are tempting fate 10:37 the RNG hears and sees all things 10:37 it's really marker day 10:43 i found a blessed magic lamp on dlvl 1 10:43 Hard to beat that! 10:44 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had 17 shuriken entrusted to him by Huan Ti, on T:10779 10:44 lets see how i die 10:45 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Mon Hum Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:10974 10:47 [hdf-us] [evil] arnibald (Mon Gia Fem Neu), 1302963 points, T:98136, petrified by a basilisk 10:47 !lastgame 10:47 VaderFLAG: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/e/elenmirie/evilhack/dumplog/1628238122.evil.html :: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/a/arnibald/evilhack/dumplog/1663606872.evil.html :: [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/A/Arahael/evilhack/dumplog/1671542769.evil.html 10:48 A stone giant, canned food in hand 10:50 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Con Ith Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1775 10:53 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Mon Hum Mal Cha) chose a runed broadsword to be named "Orcrist", on T:13064 10:55 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Con Ith Fem Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:3263 10:57 qt I require your expertise please 10:57 no magic marker :-( 10:58 * K2 sacrifices mobileuser on the altar of qt 10:58 this will appease our deity 10:58 if (u.name == "mobileuser") ... 10:58 heh 10:58 giver me teh markerz 10:59 oh well I have my Bag of the Hesperides :-) 10:59 this is mobileuser when he finds a magic marker - https://www.hardfought.org/phpBB3/gallery/image/1778/source 11:00 the image contains errors? 11:00 fitting! 11:00 really? 11:00 it loaded fine for me 11:00 lemme try another browser... 11:00 what's up K2 11:00 i had to do some shenanigans for the old forum/photo gallery to work on php 8.1 11:01 heya qt 11:01 I get the same thing mobileuser, "The image cannot be displayed because it contains errors" 11:01 sounds like a fitting description of mobileuser when he finds a magic marker 11:01 :( 11:01 in chrome I get a black screen with a white dot in the middle 11:01 so excited he can't be displayed because he contains errors 11:01 wow 11:01 it loads ok for me 11:01 how odd 11:02 Just curious, what do most people spend their markers on in evil? 11:02 this is what I was trying to show - https://www.memecreator.org/static/images/memes/4751030.jpg 11:02 mobileuser finds marker. the dungeon collapses... 11:02 \o/ 11:02 hackemslashem: I just use them for enchant armor and genocide, lol 11:03 K2 what did you want me for? 11:03 https://www.hardfought.org/xlogfiles/evilhack/paniclog 11:03 I have a caveman with 3 scrolls of genocide rn, I'm not confident I could survive a reverse dragon summon though. I do have conflict... 11:03 ^ that happened when your steed dies to a spear trap, you are dismounted, fall on same trap, and die also 11:03 hackemslashem do you have a marker? 11:04 I do! Got one from goblin king 11:04 qt, I did some things to try and resolve the dmonsfree - https://termbin.com/nwuu 11:04 nwuu 11:04 also corrects some other behavior 11:04 just write scare monster hackemslashem 11:04 but still get the dmonsfree 11:04 if the monster dies and you dont, all is well 11:04 I'm at an awkward spot though, not ready for the quest, don't have reflection 11:04 Oh yea that could work 11:04 you can learn scare monster in sokoban 11:05 Yep I think I did, and got "oMR 11:05 you know the procedure with making a 3x3 room? 11:05 I love it... 'qt: why did you summon me!?' 11:05