00:29 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 00:34 still working on forged artifacts, why no release this weekend 00:34 soon though 00:34 gnite o/ 00:34 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Cha) had Trollsbane bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:46863 00:39 K2: Love what you've put together so far 00:52 green slime in home 3? No poly trap and it wasn't a chameleon. 00:52 how does that happen? 00:59 Huh™. 00:59 ...actually probably was a poly trap, but iirc monsters can use it up in Evil now. 01:00 At the least by deliberately moving onto one. 01:03 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Cha) killed the invisible Dark One, on T:49265 01:03 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:49275 01:05 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Cha) refused to give up The Eye of the Aethiopica to Neferet the Green, on T:49516 01:13 that's the only sensible explanation. 01:28 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Orc Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, acquiring a magic marker, on T:10058 01:48 -!- d[-_-]b has joined #evilhack 01:50 -!- chao has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:09 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:2362 02:30 -!- malor has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:38 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 5879 points, T:4291, poisoned by an orcish arrow 02:43 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (gelatinous cubes), on T:132 02:55 !tell hackemslashem one issue with the paranoid swim is that it allows [yn] answer, y is a movement key with vikeys so thats BAD, should be yes in that case or like in vanilla that you prefix the movement with m 02:55 I'm on it, cbus. 02:58 sleeping got me thinking about it apparently 02:58 I guess that is something for k2 too 03:08 -!- d[-_-]b has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:15 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Odin, on T:3273 03:17 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:3434 03:26 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 03:31 -!- d[-_-]b has joined #evilhack 03:35 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) destroyed Frozty's ghost, the former Thaumaturge, on T:4793 03:37 -!- d[-_-]b has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:48 -!- d[-_-]b has joined #evilhack 03:54 -!- d[-_-]b has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:00 -!- d[-_-]b has joined #evilhack 04:02 -!- hackemslashem has joined #evilhack 04:10 hackemslashem: https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Death_resistance 04:11 hackemslashem, I had a revelation during sleep 04:11 sorry if the message you will get sounds a bit too harsh, was not the intention 04:12 I feel like that's the case for other paranoid stuff by default 04:12 But I don't entirely recall 04:14 I had issues with attacking watchmen in 2021 tnnt because y in the "attack watchman [yn]" 04:14 because vikeys 04:28 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 04:31 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:7229 04:32 -!- d[-_-]b is now known as stenno 04:33 Umbire: I know about that, I'm using a list called immune_death_magic() instead of that flag 04:33 hackemslashem: Message from cbus at 2022-12-12 02:55 EST: one issue with the paranoid swim is that it allows [yn] answer, y is a movement key with vikeys so thats BAD, should be yes in that case or like in vanilla that you prefix the movement with m 04:33 hackemslashem: Sure, just update the page accordingly whenever you get around to that :B 04:34 K2: See above about the paranoid swim 04:35 I mean just having the yn and playing careful about deep water helps a lot but still a bit of a bad design that if you play fast you can accidently press y (thats what happened with watchmen) 04:36 paranoid should always require typing 'yes' imo 04:36 I really like the vanilla solution though (you have to prefix using m to the movement to move into the deep water) 04:37 only annoying thing with vanilla is that boots of ww do not autoid when you do that over deep water so you will have to prefix every time until you formally id ww 04:37 kusa 04:37 !tell K2: The paranoid options seem to be inconsistent - some require yes, some require only y/n 04:37 I'm on it, hackemslashem. 04:38 thats vanilla inconsistency btw 04:40 I see, ParanoidSwim doesn't use paranoid_query - it's kind of making up it's own query. This is probably a really easy fix, I just want to see what K2 thinks first 04:42 stenno: Thought so 04:44 kind of a mess https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Options#paranoid_confirmation 04:45 Tangential, but I also dug up a bunch of neat stuff in the SlashTHEM code 04:47 Ooh like what? 04:48 There is a paranoid_query(be_paranoid, prompt) function in cmd.c that can be used. The water/lava one doesn't use this, otherwise it would ask for the full "yes" 04:54 unless its for 'pray' 04:55 as seen by the table i just posted 04:57 Yes it's not using that query function either 04:57 Not sure why 04:57 hackemslashem: https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Deferred_and_defunct_features_(SlashTHEM) 04:57 Welcome to NetHack: Exceptional Code! 04:58 'organically grown' code from 1987 04:59 hahaha, oh yea the classic "booze" technique. I practice that from time to time :P 05:00 https://nethackwiki.com/mediawiki/index.php?title=Deferred_and_defunct_features_(SlashTHEM)&diff=149301&oldid=148614 this is the more recent finds 05:00 I was interested in bringing in the 0 warning for monsters, but it conflicts with my boulder symbol. Maybe a workaround is just displaying low-level monsters as 1? 05:00 while I was doing up the death resistance article I also showed you 05:00 It bugs me that there are monsters not revealed by warning 05:01 Before I do much wiki stuff, I gotta stablize this variant - I feel like a lot of things are still up for debate/change 05:01 Tonight's a wiki sorta night so I'll be focusing on documenting things 05:02 hackemslashem: Do what you think's necessary, no rush 05:02 (Also a warning to anyone considering HackEM wiki stuff right now) 05:02 I figured it'd be a while before I bothered with that anyway 05:02 hackemslashem, haha I also use 0 05:02 Still have undocumented variant stuff to sift through 05:02 I also use 8 for golems :D 05:03 8 for ghosts, 7 for golems 05:03 X for ghosts here 05:03 and _ for altars 05:03 (because it got changed to π) 05:03 I prefer the pi symbol honestly 05:04 I find π confusing 05:04 since you still have to use _ in the quick travel to select it 05:04 It's a little table, cute and bloody 05:04 Fair 05:04 "there is no π key" 05:04 (I do have an autocomplete in irssi to type π by typing pi) 05:04 for some reason I thought it might be useful some day, and apparently I was right 05:05 cbus: Omg, got my first swedish keyboard yesterday. How the f* am I going to transition from american to swedish, it's so painful 05:05 haha, good question 05:05 Everything is in a different spot :O 05:05 i learned US layout for nethack 05:05 for vikeys 05:05 There are a bunch of symbols I have no idea what you use them for 05:06 now i know both DE and US layouts blindly 05:06 i exclusively use US for programming, and DE for writing business emails 05:07 I get that, there are some pretty key coding symbols that are not conveniently located 05:08 in german layout, { is alt-gr + 7 05:08 the most unnatural hand position imaginable 05:08 I use some weird swedish dvorak that is based on the character placement of us qwerty 05:08 (like shift+numbers and such) 05:09 ;: on same key but needing shift 05:09 on swedish ,; and .: are on the same 05:09 Umbire: Here is the death immune list currently. It might be time to bring in the MR_DEATH tag because it's getting a bit lengthy: https://pastebin.com/7a1eeAPW 05:09 sounds adventorous cbus :D 05:09 yeah :D (it was, been running it for over 15 years now) 05:09 hackemslashem: Might be a good call 05:09 http://tlundqvist.org/sv_dvorak/sv_dvorak.gif 05:15 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 05:45 thats an eclectic layout 06:07 ...apparently polypiling enough dragonhide stuff in vanilla (i.e. dragon scales and/or DSM) creates a straw golem? 06:22 -!- malor has joined #evilhack 06:36 hackemslashem, K2: https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Dragon_hide 06:38 Where is artifact material specified? 06:38 Trying to see where, say, Dragonbane is specified as a pair of dragonhide gloves 06:39 K2: hang on i will cite it 06:40 I see the base item type but not the material just yet, hmm 06:41 2022-05-05 15:08:59 NetSysFire aosdict: do you think i should annoy the devteam with a formal issue on github regarding keeping petless conduct when using smoky potions and magic lamps? 06:41 2022-05-05 15:09:10 NetSysFire or are they already aware 06:41 2022-05-05 15:09:37 @K2 i dont believe that's viewed as a bug 06:41 2022-05-05 15:09:37 +aosdict the devteam doesn't care about petless conduct because it isn't tracked in vanilla 06:41 2022-05-05 15:09:54 NetSysFire oh right vanilla doesnt have petless 06:41 2022-05-05 15:11:44 NetSysFire what if potion of healing or restore ability is smoky? 06:41 2022-05-05 15:11:47 @K2 the player can certainly decide if they want to risk drinking a smoky potion or rubbing a magic lamp 06:41 ...? 06:41 see 12 hours ago lol 06:43 ah 06:48 Umbire: Artifact material is specified in the artifact_material() function :) 06:48 Thank you 06:49 Dragonbane is DRAGON_HIDE 06:49 As is the Bag, yes 06:49 If an artifact is not in that function, I think it is just the base material of the object 06:51 I see 07:07 -!- hackemslashem has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:12 NetSysFire great. but that certainly wasnt harsh critizism 07:12 K2: Message from hackemslashem at 2022-12-12 04:37 EST: The paranoid options seem to be inconsistent - some require yes, some require only y/n 07:12 true 07:13 especially paranoid swim with y to accept the movement is problematic since y is a vi keys movement 07:14 !tell hackemslashem got it, read backscroll 07:14 I'm on it, K2. 07:14 cbus yeah i agree 07:14 Morning K2 07:14 hiya 07:14 Dragonhide doesn't occur randomly in GruntHack, right? 07:14 You maintain the hdf version so I wanted to be 100% sure 07:14 i dont think so 07:14 I know you can wish for it 07:15 but I was curious if it'd ever appear at all otherwise 07:15 -!- rebatela has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:15 in hackem I have found random dragonhide stuff 07:15 it is quite nice :) 07:15 right, because you can in evilhack 07:15 lost a oilskin cloak of dragonhide to a polytrap lately 07:15 which gives monsters the benefit too :) 07:19 K2: did you ever think of adding an incantifier race to evil? 07:20 no. i'm only going to add one more race and role (drow and druid), then i'm done with that bit 07:20 no drowid? 07:20 *hides* 07:20 or d druiw? 07:21 heh 07:21 hopefully i can finish up with forged artifacts today 07:21 almost done with #5 07:22 after that, just last min known bugs, then release i suppose 07:23 how will druids / drows work? 07:23 Spotted the Shadow Blade, didn't read it yet 07:42 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 07:46 cbus: polying with a cloak of dragonhide on should turn you into a dragon just like any other dragon armor 07:52 Would that revert it to a normal leather/cloth/etc. cloak on depoly, or just poof it instead 07:53 presumably it would not be destroyed or degraded whatsoever because depolying from a dragon scale fueled transformation doesn't destroy the scales 07:55 That makes sense for scales, but I was thinking unscaled-hide eather 07:55 leather* 07:55 unless we're presupposing dragonhide is inherently scales 07:56 scaled* 07:57 if it isn't, then the scales themselves have 0 AC which is weird 07:58 [hdf-eu] [evil] telareba (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 3305 points, T:2646, killed by a Woodland-elf 07:58 I'm talking about dragonhide as a leather-like material rather than what the scales/scale mail are made of 07:59 which, reconcile that as you like ig 07:59 yes, so the model is your dragon scale mail is dragonhide, which is responsible for the entire AC, and scales, which provide no additional defense? 08:00 The scales provide +3 AC, converting them to mail form adds a further +6 08:00 I'm going off your idea of polying with a dragonhide cloak though 08:13 Not destroying or degrading it makes enough sense all that sense 08:13 s/that sense/that said 08:22 [hdf-eu] [evil] telareba (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 3329 points, T:2410, killed by a tortle shaman, while paralyzed by a monster 08:23 -!- hackemslashem has joined #evilhack 08:24 hoi 08:24 hackemslashem: Message from K2 at 2022-12-12 07:14 EST: got it, read backscroll 08:24 Hi, again 08:25 I support the drowid race 08:27 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 08:31 whats the difference between drow and drowid? 08:32 combination of the words drow and druid :) 08:36 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:6758 08:37 The drowid must be contained by the drowego 08:40 drowsuperego enters chat 08:42 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu) destroyed Gutso's ghost, the former Heathen, on T:7111 08:45 I think the cause my issue #17 is separate_steed_and_rider when the steed steps on a polytrap. K2, have you seen this pop up? 08:45 It's possible the steed doesn't have a nearby spot to go, and maybe lands on a teletrap, I haven't been able to confirm that yet or reproduce it 08:46 i havent seen that in awhile 08:50 -!- amateurhour has joined #evilhack 08:53 K2: one of the hill orcs in a horde that spawned in goblin town just dropped a mithril runed spear 08:54 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Con Ith Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:3692 08:54 yeah death drops dont take race into consideration. any gear it spawned with should i think 08:55 also these hordes can spawn inside these cells where the friendlies are 08:56 yup thats fine 08:56 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Con Ith Fem Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:4180 09:00 its not because i wanted to eat that elf 09:05 Oh, K2 09:05 Can cubes eat dragonhide? 09:05 (as opposed to dragon-scaled stuff) 09:06 probably 09:06 "You feel perkier" 09:06 now I know what it means 09:06 finally source dived for it :D 09:06 sleep res 09:06 yeah 09:06 K2: I tested in vanilla and they can't eat dragon scales, so I was wondering 09:08 K2: also why can the arrow traps in goblin town have mithril arrows? 09:09 because traps like arrow trpas, darts, etc, the ammo is random material 09:09 doesnt matter where its at 09:09 Umbire i've never tested how gelcubes interact with dragonhide 09:09 maybe an elf invaded the goblin town and set up traps for the goblins 09:09 because its inherently fooproof, it may be ok 09:11 Dragonhide appears to not be organic, so guessing a cube can't eat it. 09:16 Yeah, that's my inclination 09:16 I can wizmode it rq 09:19 Nope, can't pick dragonhide stuff 09:19 So that's another perk it has over other materials 09:29 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 09:31 wtf inorganic dragonhide 09:35 anyone happen to know about racial ascensions in variants? 09:38 ???? 09:46 ascending using armor/weapons associated with your race 09:46 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Racial_equipment 09:48 -!- krm26 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:50 we dont understand the ascension bit 09:50 what are you asking exactly? 09:52 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:56 As in ascending while playing as I described 09:56 Mostly just asking if you guys knew anyone who pulled off successful attempts off the top of your heads 09:57 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±18] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/ef63e53adcd3...797691a3ffc9 09:58 [EvilHack] k21971 797691a - New forging artifact recipe - Gauntlets of Purity. 09:58 Umbire i havent seen anyone rock racial only gear all the way to ascension 09:58 do they lose acid res? 09:58 Hm, might be fun to try 09:59 I mean I guess? 09:59 amateurhour yup 09:59 Oh, the commit 09:59 my b 09:59 sadge 09:59 but look at what you get 09:59 these are epic 10:00 yeah in exchange for DRAGONBANE and the underground indie weapon GRAYSWANDIR 10:01 still great idea thumbs up 10:01 yay 10:01 tortles can wear these too fyi 10:01 Yeah, the loss of acid resistance stops is something a drawback but overall it's still a pretty great upgrade 10:02 Was also gonna point out that Vorpal seemed odd to use in a recipe for a casting weapon, the Infidel knife seems more fitting 10:02 yeah 10:02 i have one more forged artifact in mind 10:02 w8 what's the AC on them 10:03 they are silver 10:03 so 1, just like a regular pair of GoP 10:03 downgrade in AC from dragonbane but plus silver damage for marts hrmrmrm 10:03 yup 10:03 Big pog 10:03 there is a trade off 10:03 idk I'd be on the fence about it 10:03 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 10:03 add double damage to MArts while worn, maybe he'll be less on the fence 10:04 these cater to monks and priests more than any other role 10:04 for eregen for priests? 10:04 or any spellcaster really 10:04 infidels wont want these, esp if they get crowned 10:04 wont be able to wear them then heh 10:05 i spent more time figuring out a name for these than anything else :) 10:05 what if the infidel is a pure and chaste maiden 10:05 then they arent an infidel 10:05 day 1 of infidel school: right guys we need you to all pair up 10:06 ooh i had an idea and forgot to add it to these 10:07 if martial arts && lawful - damage bonus 10:07 hackemslashem, whats below mines end!? 10:07 hey that's my idea!!!!!!!!!!!!! 10:07 /j 10:07 tons of liches and shit there 10:07 i saw you mention that Umbire heh, reminded me 10:07 cbus Ruggo's lair 10:07 there's a few variants of it, don't worry about the liches they're on a lil island 10:07 seems like something I should avoid at AC:-1 and no MR/reflection :D 10:08 nah you will be fine 10:08 will give it a shot later 10:08 break over for now 10:08 for the last forged artifact recipe, i think i'd like to make Dragonlance 10:08 Ruggo and the gnome warriors are decently tough but that's the most of it 10:08 just skip the island (need to cross water to get to it) 10:08 noooo K2 don't say "last" like ur never gonna do anymore nooooooo 10:08 The island is an optional place and you don't need to go through it to get to the rest of the map so 10:08 last for now 10:08 Also pretty sure it's just base liches 10:08 or is there a demilich also 10:08 there is a demi lich 10:09 ah, so that has a non-zero chance to turn purple 10:09 and then it's a problem 10:09 cbus Ruggo's lair is usually p stacked with gold 10:09 whats the issue with demiliches? 10:09 have you looked over all of the artifact recipes? 10:09 -!- hackemslashem has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 10:09 they could drink gain level and turn into a purple L that can cheat and teleport to you 10:09 can gain level into master liches 10:10 oh 10:10 thought they were changed in some way (like having levi) 10:10 reminder that covetous warping is cheats and hax and bs :P 10:10 if it were grunt/FIQ-like maybe 10:10 I wanna submit my own idea for this but given how much you've covered I'd have to find something that fills a proper niche and hasn't really been done before 10:11 lawful selection becoming less dogwater is always a plus though 10:11 'less dogwater' 10:11 i have no idea what that means 10:11 nicer way to say dogshit 10:11 think toilets :B 10:12 hah 10:12 dogshit -> dogpiss -> dogwater 10:12 -> dog 10:12 -> god 10:12 it hasn't been "shit" since drambo got added arguably but more is always good 10:12 -> bobble hats 10:12 -> more big good for less sad 10:12 \o/ 10:12 i love that phrase 10:12 i use it irl 10:13 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Wiz Hum Fem Cha), 231847 points, T:35021, killed by a torrent of acid 10:13 it's a banger for sure 10:13 well speaking of acid res 10:15 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Con Ith Fem Cha), 40544 points, T:18827, killed by an owlbear 10:15 nooooooooo 10:15 rip me 10:15 hmmm, on the note of Vorpal 10:15 maybe a "true neutral" weapon of some kind? 10:16 I'd actually been mulling over an "Equalizer" artifact for my variant idea as a crowning gift 10:17 or maybe lean more into "neutral as anti-magic" a la Magicbane Classic™ 10:18 -!- hackemslashem has joined #evilhack 10:20 so far out of the 5, there's one lawful, one neutral, 2 chaotic, and one non-aligned 10:20 next one will prob be non-aligned 10:20 so you're saying I should brainstorm another lawful one 10:20 oh ba 10:20 baw* 10:21 no i pretty much know what i want to do for the last one 10:21 ah 10:22 well so much for my idea :P 10:22 can probably mull it over "out loud" anyway, keep brain juice flowing 10:22 ideas are fine, just saying i know what i wanna do for right now 10:22 icic 10:23 adding more after release wont break saves unless some new special thing were added, etc 10:23 but i think 6 is enough for now 10:23 i was thinking either a lance, because knights and jousting, or a halberd, because polearms need some serious love 10:24 truuuuu 10:31 perhaps something in the vein of Longinus 10:31 but like an actual lance instead of a metaphorical one 10:33 why don't more variants have artifact armour? 10:34 don't say the mitre it sucks and is a quest arti :P 10:34 I feel like more do than don't at this point but idk 10:34 like where's the boots of kickass and the tshirt of peak fashion 10:35 we have so many equipment slots and it's just the weapon slot that gets new stuff 10:36 not focusing on evilhack there it has a couple of gloves, just a general variant thing 10:36 SLASH'EM line added quite a handful of 'em 10:36 dnh because of course 10:37 evil duh, what else uhhhh 10:37 boots of kickass 10:37 bwahahaha 10:38 slashem added 3, whisperfeet, that lame crown, and gauntlets of defense 10:38 mirrorbright also 10:38 it also added a bunch more weapons :P 10:38 THEM added tons more ofc 10:38 hence "SLASH'EM line" 10:38 these 7 equipment slots get 4 new items, this one equipment slot gets like 20 :P 10:39 oh holy shit idea, what if you could recreate the "original" Mjollnir 10:39 from back when it was a lucern hammer rather than a normal one 10:39 and theme it after divine thunder or light or something 10:40 just stick mojo on the end of a long stick and call it a day 10:40 why yes I am a master forger, how could you tell? 10:40 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guandao another possibility 10:48 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/797691a3ffc9...25279c61d530 10:48 [EvilHack] k21971 25279c6 - Gauntlets of Purity gives damage bonus while worn for lawful unarmed players trained in martial arts. 10:54 Splicehack has Pridwen, (Slashem also has Deluder and mirrorbright) 10:55 Oh yeah Splice 10:55 knew I was forgetting one 10:56 We need another artifact boots. Herme's Boots sounds pretty logical, has it been done already? 10:57 hackemslashem did you do anything about the paranoid swim y/n bit? 10:57 Nah, kids home today, don't have time for anything :P 10:57 gotcha 10:58 I don't think they have actually 10:59 Boots of flight that grant (Speed | Stealth | Warning) any/all? 11:00 Oh wait, boots of flight is a slashthem thing. 11:00 My inclination was "water walking boots that grant speed, stealth and maybe sickness resistance" 11:00 (because of the confusion with Hermes and the caudaceus) 11:00 or, save that for an actual caudaceus artifact or w/e 11:00 and take everything else 11:02 I get the sickness resistance but not the water walking 11:03 well can't be an effective messenger if you drown :B 11:03 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:3025 11:04 though hmmm 11:05 since you don't have boots of flight as a base item water walking is the next best thing :P 11:06 maybe with an #invoke for levitation if you're feeling that 11:07 aosdict, re: dragonhide, the xnh page doesn't actually mention anything about the frequency of dragonhide stuff 11:11 why would the xnh page mention it? 11:12 there are no dragonhide items (aside from dragon scales) in the game 11:12 ah, that wasn't clear 11:13 it was included in the chart so 11:13 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 6706 points, T:4417, killed by a champion of Camaxtli 11:13 I might add the occasional off-material dragonhide item as a prize for something or other in the future but they'll never generate randomly or be wishable 11:14 hackemslashem, HELP what to wish for 11:15 I lack MR so maybe mr :P 11:15 hackemslashem: dnh replaces levi boots outright with flying boots 11:15 found a polished shield in the mine end end and got a wish off the throne 11:15 Hm, interesting 11:15 so what are good wishen for a lawful valk in hackem? :P 11:15 Wish... alignment? 11:15 it actually makes the boot choice kinda hard 11:16 Do you have enough HP to withstand a slashem artifact blast? 11:16 97 hp 11:16