00:07 -!- chao has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:24 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Arc Dwa Fem Neu), 841 points, T:2212, killed by a kobold lady 00:52 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Cha), 1602 points, T:3283, killed by a warg 01:31 -!- malor has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:21 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 02:28 -!- Umbire has quit [Killed (platinum.libera.chat (Nickname regained by services))] 02:28 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 02:57 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 03:13 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 03:32 You force your bone crude dagger into a crack and pry. Clonk! You succeed in forcing the lock. 03:34 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Con Ith Fem Cha), 1055 points, T:2389, killed by a hill orc 03:36 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Hum Fem Law) destroyed the invisible telareba's ghost, the former Student of Stones, on T:10790 03:47 wow this goblin shaman dropped a marker 03:48 Sounds like a bug. 03:48 Or a bones. 03:48 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Con Ith Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:2407 03:48 Or... actually, are you in the Goblin King's-- knew it. 03:49 You got the 10%, that shaman pilfered the chest and brought it to you. 03:52 ooh nice 03:52 yeah that makes total sense 03:53 he had some gems on him too 03:57 Lucky you. 03:57 Don't die. 03:58 easier said than done 04:00 Genuinely, though, good luck. 04:05 -!- chao has joined #evilhack 04:05 thanks 04:23 problem is i like doing stupid stuff 04:23 like camping in goblin town 04:24 dammit 04:24 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Con Ith Fem Cha), 19358 points, T:12849, killed by a warg 04:26 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Gia Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:1394 06:08 euw hackem only has temporary telepathy 06:11 [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law), 3091 points, T:3574, killed by a giant priest of Raijin 06:26 -!- amateurhour has joined #evilhack 06:53 -!- chao is now known as stenno 07:17 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:1455 07:23 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) performed her first genocide (giant eels), on T:2181 07:36 -!- malor has joined #evilhack 07:39 what is this hackem 07:41 secret underground nethack variant 07:41 what the cool kids play? 07:42 stenno, variant that will show up on hardfought during xmas/new year 07:42 some cool kids play it but the realest of them are waiting till it's on hdf 07:42 source: me 07:42 B^) 07:42 slashem ported to an evilhack base by hackemslashem 07:42 I think that description doesn't rly do it justice anymore 07:42 stenno, https://old.reddit.com/r/nethack/comments/ys5gcd/a_new_nethack_variant_has_emerged_behold_hackem/ 07:43 nice! 07:43 a better description might be "things hackemslashem things is dope added to evilhack" 07:43 some playtesting of it on hackemslashems youtube chan (https://www.youtube.com/@hackemslashem) 07:43 thinks* 07:43 so the variant incest continues 07:43 you can find the code here if u wanna build and play locally https://github.com/elunna/hackem 07:43 very good 07:43 thx 07:43 just wait until you see the inbred monsters that will show up 07:43 :D 07:43 yay inbreeding! 07:43 i guess! 07:46 it's December, where is hackem on hdf? 07:46 imo it should be added with a huge alpha/beta-warning :P 07:47 bhaak: "xmas/new year" 07:50 cbus: it's a spiritual successor to slashem. you don't need a warning unless it unleashes a SWAT team on your position 07:50 maybe not even in that case 07:50 SWAT team is to be expected 07:50 aosdict: it's Christmas time! 07:50 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) destroyed Loggers' ghost, the former Ninja, on T:4467 07:50 how many spiritual successors to slashem are there now? 07:50 too many 07:50 slex, splicehack, slashem9, hackem, slashdnh, ... 07:50 aosdict getting kinda jealous as no successors to xnh 07:51 that just means that no one is complaining about me breaking the stuff they built on top of 07:51 you only need successors if you are dead 07:51 does that mean evilhack is kill? F 07:52 I am sort of surprised that no one has angled for the niche of "xnethack, but with slashem levels of New Stuff (tm)" 07:53 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) eschewed atheism, by dropping 4 crude daggers on an altar, on T:4838 07:53 slashem is really fun and was way ahead of its time 07:54 it even plagiarised a whole bunch of variants before it was cool! 07:54 I think I just suck on variants, having a really "bad time" in hackem :D 07:54 the definition of 'christmas time' is 'the unnethack advent calender branch is active' 07:55 amateurhour: I'm not sure the "sucking up everything there is" is a good game design paradigma 07:55 ...inbred? 07:55 what's paradigma? 07:56 the plural of paradigm 07:56 its how germans say 'paradigm' 07:57 was expecting "paradigma balls lmao gottem" 07:57 I think amateurhour was setting up for a crude jo-- yes 07:57 damn 07:57 haha 07:58 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 5933 points, T:5119, killed by a tengu 07:58 f - a crude joke. What would you like to identify first? f f - a cursed -3 orcish joke. 08:02 \o/ 08:03 gday k2, hows it going? 08:03 its goin 08:04 its F R I D A Y 08:04 yeah, finally friday :) 08:04 i upgraded the OS on hdf-eu last night 08:04 seems to have gone well 08:06 gratz 08:07 yay 08:07 hdf-us is next, prob this weekend 08:07 more moving parts there, so a bit more concerned 08:07 but, i'll make a snapshot first 08:10 going from ubuntu 20.04 to 22.04 08:10 euw ubuntu 08:10 luv ubooboo 08:11 I run ubuntu on my work machine 08:11 for the record :) 08:11 gonna switch from manjaro -> arch on my desktop though 08:11 sorry, meant to say downgrading, switching from ubuntu 20.04 to windows NT4 08:11 arch ftw 08:12 got annoyed by manjaro removing hw accelerated h265/265 on amdgpu 08:15 I never used manjaro, went from ubuntu to arch and it was fine 08:15 I have used arch before 08:15 then lots of small controversies kept happening with manjaro and I was glad I did that 08:15 was just lazy with setting stuff up so went with manjaro 08:16 yeah no judgerino here 08:16 centos 08:16 arch sounds nicer 08:16 is what we use on our prod servers 08:17 at least for a desktop 08:17 not for a server :) 08:17 well its macos for me for the desktop... 08:17 and occasionally windows when i want to play certain games 08:18 the games I want to play works through proton 08:18 having dedicated servers like the cavemen did? we containers in serverless now boiz 08:18 luckily enough 08:18 amateurhour: ikr 08:18 amateurhour: its in the making 08:18 its complicated because we don't own the prod vms ourself 08:19 🤔 08:19 and have to respect third-party security patterns 08:19 some complicated business reason for it no doubt 08:19 privacy and security, yes 08:19 damn some days I hate end users 08:20 we had a customer that had similar extra constraints like that 08:20 if they didn't pay so much extra we'd have just dropped them 08:22 just had this phone call: employee 'have have this new computer (personal) and it downloaded this outlook app from MS store, but it wont check email' me 'go to see if you can login to email there' employee 'I can, I can see my email' me 'great, you can access email, so 1) its not an issue with your account and 2) not a network/internet issue. we dont support software on personal 08:22 devices' employee 'but...' me 'thanks! see ya' 08:23 lol nice 08:25 that is the best kind of support talk 08:25 when i first started here, the IT manager we had would have us work on employee personal computers if they brought them in 08:26 when that IT manager was fired, we nixed that 'policy' 08:26 that is one fucked up policy 08:26 yeah 08:27 it took awhile to peel away from that 08:27 esp for some higher ups 08:27 every so often we'll get one that thiks because they are doing work on their personal device, we automagically support it 08:27 should bring up with those bosses that you should be able to bring your taxing stuff to your economy department 08:27 hahah 08:28 or contact HR and make them break up with your gf 08:28 isnt that their job to handle private HR too :D 08:28 "it downloaded this outlook app from MS store" 08:29 i have a phrase written on the top of my whiteboard by my desk: 'address the problem, not the request' 08:29 sounds like anything but Outlook 08:29 PEBKAC 08:29 how do you solve those problems? :D 08:29 I have to point to it and show my boss every so often 08:29 heh 08:31 cbus just like I did with the phone call 08:31 ohh I thought you had a "proper" solution :D 08:31 like a shotgun 08:31 he needed to check email. I made that happen (address the problem), just not the way he thought he wanted to (the request) 08:31 with outlook i exclusively associate 'winmail.dat' 08:31 but honestly, accessing work things from your personal computer should be a no no 08:32 it depends 08:32 all our dev stuff is accessible from the net (with the proper credentials of course) 08:33 always having to be in a VPN is cumbersome. sometimes it has to be though 08:35 yeah, my work machine is outside of our ITs control 08:35 really 08:35 and has the vpns and stuff installed but I only use it for work 08:35 how is your work computer outside of IT control? 08:35 they have not set up my os image 08:36 hmm 08:36 -!- amateurh1ur has joined #evilhack 08:36 got tired of having a barely working machine 08:36 (we have had extreme issues with machines barely working) 08:36 i wish i could tell my bosses 'in order to access this, you need to create an SSH tunnel to here' 08:36 -!- amateurhour has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by amateurh1ur))] 08:36 but i can't because my bosses don't know about stuff like that 08:36 -!- amateurh1ur is now known as amateurhour 08:37 cbus does your IT dept know you wiped a work machine and installed your own OS on it? 08:37 hahahah 08:37 it is only partly wiped :) 08:37 lol 08:37 oh man 08:37 still got the original os on a separate disk 08:37 or partition rather 08:37 yeah 08:37 boss knows, it does not 08:38 oh good 08:38 they can shoulder the blame 08:38 wouldnt do it otherwise 08:38 also got FDE and such 08:38 not that it matters 08:38 I WFH exclusively 08:38 and dont bring the laptop :) 08:38 ah i see 08:39 productivity went up 100% with new OS 08:40 what was old os? 08:40 w10 08:41 completely bloated with all kind of shitty preinstalled software 08:41 see thats your IT dept messing up 08:41 waiting for 10min for someone to reboot and start up ms teams to join a meeting is not uncommon 08:41 not to mention how extremely slow visual studio and such runs on it 08:41 i maintain a handful of preconfig images of win11 (was win10 before), all the bloatware is gone 08:42 its *clean* 08:42 only software on it is what needs to be on it 08:42 best thing is that an entire day of the week is 0 productivity because mandated AV-scans during work time 08:42 what AV? 08:42 MsMpEng 08:42 I don't hate the idea of dev containers in the cloud, was looking at them recently 08:42 never heard os MsMpEng 08:42 don't particularly like it either but some of the advantages seem really good 08:43 *of 08:43 Microsoft Malware Protection Engine 08:43 MsMpEng.exe :) 08:43 windows defender? 08:43 yeah the builtin 08:43 I just know it by the executable name 08:43 that actually isnt bad tbh 08:43 oh man yeah and when the pc slows to a crawl you see it in task manager as a whole bunch of system interrupts 08:43 yeah I used to run it in w7 with no issue 08:43 like yeah I know you're interrupting me I can see it rn 08:43 WD has come a LONG way 08:43 "some years back" 08:44 but all the scan stuff they run on our machine completely kills it 08:44 not the best, but its a far cry better than it used to be 08:44 Defender10 is actually respectable, yeah 08:44 when i started at my current company, we used norton enterprise 08:44 mcaffee was horrible 08:45 got us off of that, we now use a next gen product (crowdstrike) 08:45 not sure how it is any longer but they used to run it on my last job and it completely killed the machine 08:45 for personal computers on windows, I use nod32 (ESET) 08:45 lol norton 08:46 norton used to be awesome. back in the 90's 08:46 lol using an antivirus in 2022 08:46 lol, just checked the manjaro update thread 08:46 this is still a deliberate choice the Manjaro team the Manjaro CEO is doing 08:46 (about h264/265 hw accel on amdgpu) 08:46 crowdstrike is friggin awesome. you will pay $$$$ but you're getting what you pay for 08:47 "Manjaro is a company. Arch is not." 08:47 oh it was a quote by someone else being reposted *tired* need more caffeine 08:47 using crowdstrike actually lowered the company's cyber insurance premium 08:47 manjaro bad arch good 08:47 heh 08:51 how do y ou pm a user through the bot? 08:51 !tell cbus like this 08:51 No worries, amateurhour, I've got this! 08:51 thanks 08:51 cbus: Message from amateurhour at 2022-12-09 08:51 EST: like this 08:52 !tell hackemslashem "I got this breakability val = 20 You succeed in picking the lock." on a tourist using a cc to open a locked box 08:52 hackemslashem shall be duly informed at the first opportunity, cbus. 09:06 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:1384 09:14 -!- hackemslashem has joined #evilhack 09:16 heyyy 09:16 hackemslashem: Message from cbus at 2022-12-09 08:52 EST: "I got this breakability val = 20 You succeed in picking the lock." on a tourist using a cc to open a locked box 09:16 it was not in wiz mode btw 09:17 cbus: That means you have a 1 in 20 chance of breaking it, aren't you glad the game told you? 09:17 sure am 09:17 but it sounds like a debug messag :D 09:17 What good is debug_pline then... 09:18 Anyway, something you'll want now is gold/platinum keys - most durable 09:18 I guess it doesnt really matter if you just get a couple normal ones 09:19 I am not a fan of the temporary telepathy btw 09:19 Also, we inherited the telepathy property for objects from evil, so floating eyes can easily be passed by 09:19 Just get a helm of telepathy of telepathy :D 09:31 "easily" 09:35 Don't illithids start with telepathy? 09:39 i still hate the fact that helmets of brilliance block telepathy 09:40 so if you wear the mitre of holiness as an illithid, no psionic wave for you 09:41 Weird - I never experienced that. I might revert the telepathy thing, just had an idea for it... 09:42 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Sam Hum Mal Law), 4448 points, T:5279, zombified by a hobbit zombie, while frozen by a monster's gaze 09:48 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Con Ith Fem Cha), 698 points, T:1366, killed by a black pudding 09:49 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:1400 09:50 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Sam Hum Mal Law) was denied Excalibur! The Lady of the Lake has removed his long sword from existence, on T:1649 09:58 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Sam Hum Mal Law), 4361 points, T:2764, killed by a rabid dog 10:04 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Con Ith Fem Cha), 1943 points, T:3245, killed by the Goblin King 10:10 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Con Ith Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1521 10:11 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Con Ith Fem Cha), 1616 points, T:1571, quit 10:12 ugh, I'm probably getting covid agian 10:13 F 10:13 have you tried not? 10:14 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:1456 10:15 NetSysFire that's false 10:15 yay! 10:15 illithid priest can wear the mitre and still use psionic wave 10:15 but no helmets of brilliance still 10:16 an exception was made for that 10:16 right 10:16 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Sam Hum Mal Law), 2444 points, T:1809, killed by a warg 10:16 >:( 10:22 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:746 10:25 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Sam Hum Mal Law), 1657 points, T:1118, killed by trying to drink molten lava 10:30 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/6aff3fc0c364...d12177e312e7 10:30 [EvilHack] k21971 d12177e - Fix: if poly form was killed from being hit by the Wand of Orcus, max hitpoints were not restored when reverting to original form. 10:32 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/d12177e312e7...43253cbed397 10:32 [EvilHack] k21971 43253cb - Fix: if poly form was killed from being hit by the Wand of Orcus, max hitpoints were not restored when reverting to original form. 10:32 ^ force push, misspelled a thing in the comments 10:35 force pushing master, how evil 10:35 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:1617 10:43 heh 10:44 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 3119 points, T:4543, killed by a gnome lady, while moving through the air 10:59 cbus: I reverted temp esp, but now you can lose it to brains being eaten. 11:00 hehe 11:00 that sounds almost fair 11:00 :D 11:01 I'm trying lots of stuff, I don't expect it all to work or be liked, but I don't want changes to be hated lol 11:02 cbus - would you know where to find good priced small desktops here? I really need a linux box for testing, but only have 3000-4000 kr 11:03 no clue :( 11:04 I bought this one in parts 11:04 and it wasnt cheap 11:07 I bought the parts from all over (webhallen / inet / dustin) I think it was 11:07 maybe komplett :D 11:10 (my machine is a ryzen 3600 with 5700xt, 32G mem and a 512GB samsung 970 evo plus) 11:10 maybe a cheap laptop would be fine? or dual boot whatever you're currently using 11:13 hackemslashem: wait why not VMs 11:16 hackemslashem, you really want to pull in the wand of orcus fix, assuming you've kept that artifact 11:16 stenno: I have a windows laptop with WSL, I've tried everything to get this rr debugger to work, no luck 11:17 Plus, I just want a dedicated linux machine again 11:17 rr should work in wsl2 11:17 supposedly 11:17 *should* 11:17 fair 11:17 isn't wsl2 just a virtual machine? 11:17 yeah but it needs to expose hardware performance counters and till recently it didn't 11:17 i know they tried some integration stuff with wsl1 but then dropped it (wisely) 11:18 Also, fuzzing on my laptop sucks the battery dry if it's not plugged in 11:18 (for rr to work) 11:18 i see 11:18 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:18 hackemslashem, one thing that would be nice is ^a working with #untrap 11:18 it is a 3.7 thing though 11:18 Hmm, I usually bind untrap to v 11:19 I use meta+u 11:19 You talking about the unlocking chain thing they have now? 11:19 but when repeating it like 20 times to a container is nice 11:19 by pressing ^a repeatedly 11:19 20#untrap ? 11:19 cbus: I might try blockett tonight, hopefully something turns up in uppsala 11:20 I guess what amateurhour wrote worked BUT it requires direction every time 11:20 which ^a does not 11:21 Oh I see 11:21 would need all the 3.7 changes then where it stores command and direction together 11:21 Ooph 11:21 kinda a tricky one to port without making mistakes 11:21 3.7 made ^A work with loads of actions 11:21 like dipping 11:21 if you wanted to dip an amethyst into a stack of booze 11:21 or even when dipping into fountains 11:22 yeah 11:22 amateurhour: I saw your comment on the spells. You are probably right, necro has a bunch of spells that are just given to them. 11:25 K2: Thanks, it's been a busy couple days - our floor heating unit was busted (fixe now) and my whole fam has been sick 11:25 when that happened to me in finland everyone had to leave the apartment block and find somewhere else to live 11:26 hackemslashem, 13 steel shiny stones 11:26 just straight up get owned kinda thing 11:26 steel stones? :P 11:26 hackemslashem :( 11:26 they're sling bullets cbus, K2's second favourite item in evilhack 11:27 ^ 11:27 shiny stones are sling bullets :) 11:27 heh, I know they are :D 11:27 but still sounds funny since stone is a material 11:27 shamelessly stolen from 1.3d imo 11:27 smh 11:27 I didn't come up with that, blame K2! 11:28 You hear a low hum. Gee! All of a sudden, you can't see yourself. There is a magic trap here. 11:28 is this permanent? 11:28 Hmm, no 11:29 In evil yes, hackem/xnh no 11:30 hackemslashem, found a bug that is fixed in 3.7 11:30 You kill the gnome! Your copper elven dagger is no longer poisoned. 11:30 perm_invent does not update 11:30 but if I check i then the dagger is no longer poisoned 11:30 sigh 11:31 so it will probably not update when dulling weapons either (I reported that one in 3.7 a long time ago) 11:31 Probably easy to fix at least 11:31 you could probably find the commit and just copy it 11:32 Ooh nice, sescespita buff :) 11:33 and /oOrcus fix in 11:36 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Sam Hum Mal Law), 11917 points, T:8347, killed by an elven king, while sleeping 11:37 hackemslashem, Rog-Vam (is Vam correct abbreviation for vamps?) is nice btw 11:38 The dead bugs on the floor start moving! 11:38 lol love it 11:38 "You give the bugs a chance to fix their makeup" 11:39 is that undead turning? 11:39 gotta love it zap-IDing UD with 3 lichen and 1 lizard corpse in open inventory 11:40 Yea should be 11:40 yeah undead turning :) 11:40 in hackem 11:40 not sure evil does it the same way 11:41 hackemslashem, what does scroll of knowledge do? 11:42 it's reverse identify 11:42 so you tell it an item you want to know the appearance of 11:42 and you learn what that is 11:42 ah, so my pick of ?oCharging was a good one :) 11:42 yeah 11:43 cbus: Don't forget, if you select an item from inventory, it should give details on what things do 11:45 hmm, termill 11:45 thought vamps couldnt get sick? 11:46 They get sickness res at lvl 21 11:47 The vampire intrinsics... Have been challenging. 11:47 can they choke? 11:48 Slashem - they started with all their regular trinsics (except poison/sleep res), I'm experimenting with a more gradual granting. Similar to illithids in evil, but they have so many it's a bit rediculous 11:48 Get breathless at level 3 11:49 the termill is troublesome 11:49 since I had to spend prayer for food 11:49 and I went diving into gnomish instantly 11:49 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:961 11:50 wouldve survived if I just threw daggers though since I thought vampires were sick res like they are in all literature :) 11:50 now you know! 11:51 anyhow Rog-Vam are nice 11:52 how do you show highscore? 11:52