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02:03 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] lgxia (Kni Hum Mal Cha) had Frost Brand bestowed upon him by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:103252
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02:13 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] lgxia (Kni Hum Mal Cha) had Trollsbane bestowed upon him by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:103435
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03:34 <hackemslashem> cbus: Just fixed the tourist shop id - it was literally just shifting one line down a block. Couldn't see it yesterday I guess
03:35 <hackemslashem> What a great way to start the day :D
03:36 <cbus> hahah gj
03:48 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] lgxia (Kni Hum Mal Cha) had Dragonbane bestowed upon him by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:104321
03:49 <cbus> also mobileuser would probably be even a better playtester than me since they have experience of other variants (I have tried evilhack shortly but never got into it because price id, disperse annotation tool now does have support for base price modifiers though)
03:58 <hackemslashem> I have a mini goal to try and build the windows version by Dec 1, I might get more testers that way
04:00 <hackemslashem> Is this a mistake in monflag.h?  #define M1_NOLIMBS 0x00006000L  It doesn't fit with the 1/2/4/8 number scheme...
04:01 <cbus> honestly no clue :(
04:01 <hackemslashem> Just looks weird to me, and no comment saying why
04:02 <cbus> you pretty much only need those numbers if you want to have multiple options like an enum I guess
04:03 <cbus> hmm not like an enum but multiple selected at once
04:03 <cbus> *tired and annoyed by stuff at work*
04:03 <amateurhour> it's because it includes no hands
04:04 <hackemslashem> Ohh, that's clever... And dangerously subtle
04:05 <amateurhour> the "1/2/4/8" number scheme that you mentioned is because for most of them you want just a single bit set in the number
04:06 <hackemslashem> Right, you don't want overlaps?
04:08 <amateurhour> yeah, imagine checking a hypothetical `int monsterfeatures` value
04:08 <amateurhour> you could then just check which bits are set in that int to know what features are there
04:08 <amateurhour> or a more concrete example: (mtmp->data->mflags1 & M1_NOHANDS)
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05:01 <cbus> hackemslashem, artefact suggestion, a dart that automatically creates more darts in a stack
05:01 <cbus> always mulches when thrown though
05:02 <amateurhour> do you mean that you throw it, it breaks, and then on the square you threw it on there's a new stack of darts?
05:02 <cbus> always breaks and disappears when thrown
05:02 <cbus> but over time it automatically makes the stack in your inventory large
05:02 <cbus> (to a limit of lets say 50)
05:02 <cbus> so you can play a darter with a decent weapon :)
05:03 <amateurhour> alternate idea stolen from dnh:
05:03 <amateurhour> single dart, returns to hand when thrown with 100% certainty, can still be multishot
05:03 <cbus> well I had no idea dnh had that, it sounds awesome
05:03 <amateurhour> like windrider or the loyal oprop from dnh but for darts
05:03 <hackemslashem> huh, interesting
05:05 <amateurhour> the wiki page for object properties is still missing a whole bunch of dnh ones
05:07 <hackemslashem> I'd like to add more properties soon, some obvious ones for sonic damage/resistance, and the mercy/nasty properties from fiq. 
05:07 <hackemslashem> Just haven't looked to close, I'm guessing each fork has done properties a little different so it feels a little daunting
05:07 <mobileuser> ah you've mixed in fiq too?
05:07 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 556 points, T:1502, killed by the Goblin King
05:08 <hackemslashem> Just a few small things, like tourist starts with all optional equipment
05:08 <hackemslashem> hmm, that might be it, but I know there's lots of interesting fiq stuff
05:09 <mobileuser> mercy/nasty properties?
05:09 <hackemslashem> Mercy makes a weapon heal a monster, and nasty does extra damage to monsters but also damages you
05:09 <mobileuser> right
05:10 <cbus> so you prolong the suffering of the monster by making it take more hits? :P
05:10 <hackemslashem> If it's mercy, I think it only heals lol
05:15 <cbus> perfect weapon for taming famine/pesti :)
05:15 <cbus> or something
05:15 <cbus> or for trying to decapitate medusa (between failed attempts)
06:02 <amateurhour> if it doesn't do turbodamage to death I'll be angry
06:02 <amateurhour> uh pestilence*
06:03 <amateurhour> man the healing potions on pestilence thing is so useless
06:23 <mobileuser> does spell of cure disease do anything to pestilence?
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06:28 <amateurhour> doesn't look like it >:(((((
06:30 <mobileuser> lol
06:33 <Umbire> ?
06:33 <amateurhour> ?
06:34 <hackemslashem> boo
07:03 <hackemslashem> amateurhour: https://github.com/elunna/hackem/issues/94
07:04 <hackemslashem> Check this out, so monster engulfs us, kills us, life saved, but we are dropped on a level teleport trap
07:06 <hackemslashem> I think I can just add a check like:  if (mtmp && um_dist(mtmp->mx, mtmp->my, 1)) to mhitu.c:478
07:08 <mobileuser> ah: "Poisoned by user" I see in the summary. You just need to make your code poison resistant.
07:09 <hackemslashem> lol
07:10 <hackemslashem> I think Shadow Byte should be a real monster too
07:10 <mobileuser> haha!
07:11 <hackemslashem> Can we bribe demons in evil at all?
07:14 <hackemslashem> Playtester says baazelbub was already hostile.. They weren't wielding ex/db
07:14 <hackemslashem> Reminds me, one of my fav songs in highschool was this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uv9V_OSIu0
07:22 <mobileuser> in evil you can bribe certain demons
07:22 <mobileuser> baazelbub included
07:24 <mobileuser> wielding Dramborleg maybe? Not sure if that turns demons hostile.
07:25 <hackemslashem> That would, but this player is wielding magicbane
07:26 <mobileuser> already hostile on entering the level seen with farlook?
07:27 <hackemslashem> That's what they said, but who knows. We'll see if it's a long term thing...
07:31 <amateurhour> baalzebub isn't a demon prince anymore 
07:31 <amateurhour> they're a demon lord
07:32 <amateurhour> check makemon.c:3442 or so
07:32 <amateurhour> seems to be a change in evilhack as well that baalzebub isn't a prince anymore
07:33 <amateurhour> mobileuser have you bribed baalzebub since the new demon lords were added to evilhack? like mephistopheles etc
07:33 <amateurhour> will take a look at that funny sounding hackem issue in lunch
07:34 <mobileuser> I never bribe demons, so I hadn't really payed attention to that :-)
07:36 <hackemslashem> amateurhour: Well, that would explain it. bribe() only checks if they are a prince, so no bribes if it's a lord :(
07:37 <hackemslashem> wait.. I'm probably wrong
07:38 <hackemslashem> princes just turn visible if they were invisible... 
07:38 <amateurhour> check makemon.c:3442 or so
07:41 <hackemslashem> Ahh ok, that's where it's limited to princes, got it. Thanks!
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08:04 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] lgxia (Kni Hum Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (two random monsters from class h), on T:106819
08:05 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] lgxia (Kni Hum Mal Cha) genocided master mind flayers, on T:106830
08:07 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] lgxia (Kni Hum Mal Cha) genocided two random monsters from class h, on T:106843
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08:30 <amateurhour> hackemslashem can you reproduce #94 on demand?
08:41 <amateurhour> just checking if mtmp is truthy won't fix it fwiw
08:41 <amateurhour> mtmp still has a value, it's just pointing at deallocated memory
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08:48 <hackemslashem> amateurhour: I haven't tried reproducing it yet, looks like a lot of setup... 
08:50 <amateurhour> feels like something that could happen in vanilla too
08:50 <amateurhour> one potential fix is moving spoteffects to after that message check or just removing the message
08:50 <hackemslashem> I'm leaning toward just removing the message - it's pretty rare anyone would see it anyway
08:51 <hackemslashem> "Brrooaa...  You land hard at some distance." Bro...
08:51 <amateurhour> another strategy could be to check all the squares around the player to see if mtmp is any of the monsters there
08:51 <amateurhour> as long as you never dereference mtmp that should work
08:52 <hackemslashem> Moving spoteffects sounds easy enough, should work right?
08:53 <amateurhour> probably, though not thought it through a lot
08:54 <hackemslashem> Actually, there is already the previous message, this is just one more...
08:54 <hackemslashem> Good grounds for removal
08:54 <amateurhour> maybe worth emailing vanilla dev team to ask about it, say you've found a potential use after free 
08:55 <hackemslashem> ok
08:55 <amateurhour> point out expels in vanilla and how spoteffects can potentially free mtmp
08:56 <amateurhour> then sit back and wait for the fix
08:56 <amateurhour> #outsourcing B^)
08:57 <hackemslashem> Oh like all the stuff I'm outsourcing to Evil? ;)
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09:09 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] lgxia (Kni Hum Mal Cha) destroyed Charon, on T:108600
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10:03 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] lgxia (Kni Hum Mal Cha) killed Dispater, on T:110276
10:05 <hackemslashem2> Just discovered the issues section on the 3.7 repo, pretty interesting reading o_o
10:06 <amateurhour> shout out to my remaining open issue
10:14 <hackemslashem2> aha, I see it now
10:16 <hackemslashem2> I think there's room in hackem for water to be known by all :)
10:17 <amateurhour> it's like a one line change
10:17 <hackemslashem2> I just put "knows_object(POT_WATER);" at the end of u_init and done! =D 
10:17 <hackemslashem2> Coding is EASY!
10:18 <amateurhour> I was gonna do that for dnh, and for potion of blood
10:18 <amateurhour> didn't get around to it
10:18 <hackemslashem2> I'm trying to estimate how many times I've named water in my nethack career... 
10:18 <hackemslashem2> 3000+ at least?
10:18 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] lgxia (Kni Hum Mal Cha) killed Baphomet, on T:110680
10:18 <amateurhour> haha same, and it's just one of those things where I'm just like "why am I doing this"
10:19 <hackemslashem2> This is the kind of stuff that will just WOW people when they play
10:19 <hackemslashem2> "Hackem WOW"!
10:19 <hackemslashem2> WOW - that QUALITY OF LIFE! +D
10:20 <hackemslashem2> Might be funny if only flame mages don't know water
10:21 <amateurhour> haha
10:21 <hackemslashem2> Water bad
10:23 <cbus> Much HackEM, much WOW
10:26 <hackemslashem2> Where water is wet
10:31 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Inf Hum Mal Una), 135 points, T:104, killed by a sewer rat
10:36 <hackemslashem2> Has there been any consensus on the switch from Monk sleep to confuse monster? Mostly positive/negative?
10:36 <amateurhour> my face is like this
10:36 <amateurhour> :|
10:37 <amateurhour> it's more thematic (cool) but it also sucks ass (bad)
10:37 <hackemslashem2> U no like?
10:37 <hackemslashem2> I'm thinking of reverting that
10:37 <K2> you make master po sad
10:38 <hackemslashem2> lmao (me or ahour lol)
10:38 <amateurhour> sleep is like an S tier spell, and healing is like an S tier spell
10:38 <K2> you
10:38 <amateurhour> and protection is like B tier
10:38 <amateurhour> maybe low A
10:39 <K2> S tier?
10:39 <amateurhour> confuse monster is F tier get that badness outta my face
10:39 <amateurhour> S is above A
10:39 <amateurhour> the toppest of tiers
10:39 <K2> i dont understand your tier structure heh
10:39 <K2> S is for 'purple'
10:39 <amateurhour> this is pretty standard
10:39 <cbus> confuse monster is a prime target for a "forgotten" spell
10:39 <hackemslashem2> If you are a non-human, doesn't confuse monster just confuse you?
10:40 <amateurhour> purple is an S tier colour so that would actually fit K2
10:40 <hackemslashem2> I had that happen with vampiric ice mages...
10:40 <K2> the reason confuse monster became a potential starting spell for monk is because its lvl 1, sleep was bumped up to lvl 2
10:41 <hackemslashem2> (just realized monks can only be human)
10:41 <amateurhour> no it's because sleep owns and monks aren't allowed to have nice things in vanilla, they are doomed to mediocrity 
10:42 <K2> ^ false
10:42 <K2> both of ya
10:42 <K2> monks can be other races in evilhack hackemslashem2
10:42 <K2> so unless you changed a thing...
10:42 <hackemslashem2> Wait, do we have hobbit monks then?
10:42 <amateurhour> we subtly shifted to talking about vanilla
10:42 <amateurhour> or I did at least
10:42 <K2> https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/EvilHack#Player_race.E2.80.93role_combinations
10:43 <amateurhour> brb a sec last meeting at this company ever
10:43 <amateurhour> :)))))))))))
10:43 <cbus> they can also be other things in hackem it seems
10:43 <K2> \o/
10:43 <cbus> but yeah only human monks in vanilla
10:43 <K2> yup
10:43 <cbus> my monk ascension in tnnt was sad
10:43 <cbus> had like max hp 69-ish at xp:14
10:44 <amateurhour> monk hp growth sucks, monk pw growth sucks, martial arts sucks, they don't get easy access to eregen so their spellcasting sucks
10:44 <amateurhour> they have to be married to their robe to spellcast better than a knight
10:44 <amateurhour> okay now brb
10:44 <hackemslashem2> lol points taken
10:44 <Umbire> hackemslashem2: Late but the scroll only confuses you if you are polymorphed into a non-human form
10:45 <Umbire> The spell should be fine
10:45 <hackemslashem2> Oh, must be my jacked implementation of vampires then
10:45 <cbus> jacked = steroid vamps?
10:45 <hackemslashem2> kinda yea
10:46 <hackemslashem2> One thing about monks (at least in evil) - they get ALL the intrinsics. That definitely does not suck :)
10:51 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Inf Hum Mal Una), 4 points, T:16, killed by a jackal
10:58 <K2> i'm purposely not eating lunch so i can gorge myself for thanksgiving dinner
10:58 <K2> but i'm hungry now :P
11:00 <hackemslashem2> K2 wears a ring of slow digestion
11:01 <K2> nooo i need an amulet of magical breathing
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11:34 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:999
11:37 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) performed her first genocide (giant eels), on T:1452
11:52 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) murdered her faithful housecat, on T:3849
11:52 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 5334 points, T:3849, killed by a silver dragon
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12:07 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:1854
12:16 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 4689 points, T:3142, killed by an orcish arrow
12:42 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:2427
13:06 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) had Secespita bestowed upon her by Moloch, on T:5689
13:11 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 8386 points, T:5961, killed by a bolt of lightning
13:19 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 57 points, T:139, killed by colliding with the ceiling
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13:29 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:1526
14:11 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) had Secespita bestowed upon her by Moloch, on T:6412
14:13 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) had a dagger entrusted to her by Moloch, on T:6671
14:20 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 7773 points, T:7819, poisoned by a rotted rothe corpse, while praying
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14:39 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Mal Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:3058
15:03 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Mal Una), 10829 points, T:7143, killed by a hill orc
15:16 <krm26> k2, will nurses not heal infidels?
15:19 <K2> they should? i'm not aware of any specific rule saying they cant
15:19 <K2> maybe tomsod slipped in a thing and i forgot?
15:20 <cbus> seemed to work in wizmode
15:21 <krm26> hmm. last game i was nekkid and not wielding and a nurse was still popping me for damage
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