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05:15 <Umbire> Just had a thought about denying orcs E-word - orcish rogues lose a powerful backstab tool
05:15 <Umbire> Granted rogues in general won't have access until they learn it anyway
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05:47 <hackemslashem> amateurhour: Issue #95 should also be in evil. What do you think of my fix for it?
05:48 <hackemslashem> https://pastebin.com/0L02rrVZ
05:51 <amateurhour> think it adds some bugs
05:51 <amateurhour> see the gain level case for example
05:52 <amateurhour> now it'll create more than one gain level pot and not give them to the monster
05:52 <amateurhour> it'll give the final one created to the monster
05:52 <hackemslashem> aw hell
05:53 <cbus> hackemslashem, are tourists supposed to start with a 0:0 magic marker? also the id thing in tourists is a bit weird. I had to step on a tile it sais the item is unided, then step off and on again and the item is ided.
05:53 <hackemslashem> yes (got that from FIQ I think), and ok I'll look at that
05:54 <hackemslashem> 0:0 because they can always charge it later 
05:54 <amateurhour> btw having random number in that for loop test expression might be a bit weird
05:54 <amateurhour> in the gain level case I mean
05:54 <cbus> I suspected it had to do with PYEC
05:54 <amateurhour> after each potion it'll reroll how many it should be making
05:54 <cbus> just sanity checking :P
05:55 <cbus> hackemslashem, xmas is coming up fast
05:55 <cbus> \o/
05:56 <hackemslashem> cbus: we all need a sanity check
05:56 <cbus> still need to ascend twice in tnnt
05:56 <cbus> I got burnt out on tnnt fast this year
05:56 <cbus> got tou/arc left
05:56 <hackemslashem> I don't think we'll be having turkey with out thanksgiving this year, it's not really a big thing in Sweden, even though they are trying to make black friday a big thing
05:57 <hackemslashem> with *our
05:57 <cbus> yeah, halloween is also becoming a thing here
05:57 <amateurhour> american companies trying to make it real
05:57 <amateurhour> thanksgiving isn't real outside the US
05:57 <cbus> well it is an american holiday so
05:57 <cbus> turkey is damn good though
05:58 <cbus> sometimes we cook turkey legs, awesome caveman style food
05:58 <hackemslashem> Yummm
06:01 <cbus> the tourist id thing seems really nice
06:01 <hackemslashem> I'm checking Un now to see if it's the same
06:02 <hackemslashem> Ok, it actually works in Un so I'm doing something wrong
06:03 <hackemslashem> amateurhour: So with the monster wishing, I should probably revert all the mpickobj I took out, but leave the type name check - because it looks like an item can get merged and raise the error I got?
06:05 <hackemslashem> Tourists got 2 buffs - shop id (from Un/Fiq), and they start with all their optional equipment (also fiq), so you don't need to start scum for that stuff
06:06 <cbus> ah nice
06:06 <cbus> I am not a scummer though :)
06:06 <hackemslashem> cbus: Should I also add the baby crocodile from Un as well?  Anyone know where that came from, is it discworld?
06:06 <amateurhour> if your concern is that the otmp may be invalid after an mpickobj
06:06 <cbus> do it :)
06:06 <amateurhour> mpickobj returns a boolean saying whether otmp was freed
06:07 <hackemslashem> Yea I saw that
06:07 <cbus> I havent gotten that far in hackem tbh but I dont scum no matter what
06:07 <amateurhour> so for each mpickobj you can do something like
06:07 <cbus> when I play vanilla I try to have high win rate/streaking
06:07 <cbus> so I play with what the game gives me, that said I am no fan of crossbows (started an undead slayer with one) :)
06:07 <amateurhour> `if(mpickobj(...)) otmp = NULL;
06:07 <cbus> was gonna replace it with a stack of daggers before I died
06:08 <amateurhour> if you do that then you need to move your oname thing back, or xname will crash
06:09 <hackemslashem> amateurhour: what about "bool freed = mpickobj(...))"
06:10 <Umbire> Yeah, the croc thing is a Discworld-ish touch
06:10 <Umbire> Crossbows are Fine™
06:10 <cbus> I barely remember the discworld stuff, was a long time since I read them
06:10 <hackemslashem> amateurhour: I noticed a couple things don't have  mpickobj, like bag of holding
06:10 <cbus> the crossbow seemed to miss a lot
06:12 <amateurhour> little distracted irl atm so sorry for slow responses
06:12 <Umbire> What was your STR?
06:12 <Umbire> Dex also, those affect to-hit early on
06:12 <Umbire> also what was the melee weapon in your loadout
06:13 <hackemslashem> cbus: I keep thinking about consolidating the undead slayer starting stuff - but 4 start sets feels "classic slashem" and I can't bring myself to change it
06:13 <hackemslashem> Oh yea, and tortles get a silver trident with them :D
06:14 <Umbire> What's the melee weapon for that particular set then, hackemslashem 
06:14 <hackemslashem> They always get the wooden stake, so must be that
06:14 <Umbire> I know there's one with silver daggers, another with silver bullets...
06:15 <Umbire> Ah, so just the crossbow with boots and jacket
06:16 <cbus> undead slayers start with a helmet too
06:16 <cbus> (I think it is a static item they start with?)
06:16 <Umbire> also keep in mind you are slower than normal
06:16 <cbus> oh talking tortles
06:16 <Umbire> cbus: Nope, it's in all weapon sets
06:16 <hackemslashem> Tortle Power!
06:16 <Umbire> except that exact one you got
06:17 <Umbire> Should be replaced with the toque for tortles, ye
06:17 <hackemslashem> Should be, lmk if it's not
06:17 <Umbire> as far as the leather jacket in the crossbow set, that needs to be replaced for toques too
06:17 <Umbire> (on off chance you haven't already
06:17 <Umbire> also the boots
06:18 <Umbire> trying to remember what slots tortles have... gloves/helm, soft only for both?
07:32 <hackemslashem> amateurhour: Here is my rewrite of mwish, https://pastebin.com/v39XU3g1
07:33 <hackemslashem> Ya know... We could replace figurine of Archon with something meaner =D
07:34 <amateurhour> you want people to fight 3 solars in the castle? :P
07:35 <hackemslashem> No, monsters can't use WoWs, I knew that would annoy me lol 
07:35 <hackemslashem> Those are MY wishes, MINE!
07:36 <hackemslashem> It really is turning into EvilLite isn't it??
07:37 <amateurhour> it's fine for things to be easier
07:38 <hackemslashem> To get 3 archons even though they would have to roll 1 in ~23 three times in a row
07:39 <hackemslashem> (1/23)^3 is 1 in 12,167, dang
07:44 <amateurhour> at least one archon is only like 1/8 tho
07:46 <hackemslashem> Nasty
07:46 <mobileuser> so how can monsters still make wishes then if they can't use the WoW?
07:46 <hackemslashem> smoky potions
07:46 <mobileuser> right
07:46 <hackemslashem> Why let a good wish go to waste?
07:46 <amateurhour> imagine a solar appearing on dlvl 1 cuz some goblin weenie quaffed healing
07:46 <amateurhour> @lt?solar
07:46 <Hecubus> Solar (A) | Lvl: 39 | Diff: 49 | Spd: 16 | Res: fire cold sleep shock poison | Confer: nothing | MR: 80 | Gen: dungeons | AC: -10 | Atk: 5d4 weapon physical, 5d4 weapon physical, 5d6 gaze blind, 5d8 claw physical, 5d6 cast spell | Align: 15 | flies, regen, seeinvis, nopoly, stalker, infravis
07:47 <hackemslashem> Better hope you are lawful and it's peaceful!
07:47 <amateurhour> aren't monster figurines always hostile?
07:47 <amateurhour> can't remember
07:47 <hackemslashem> probably
07:47 <Umbire> No?
07:48 <Umbire> Or, do you mean when a monster activates one
07:48 <hackemslashem> Depends on BUC I thought
07:48 <Umbire> Yeah it does
07:48 <Umbire> It's 80/10/10 to be hostile, peaceful, or tame with the 80% placed according to beatitude
07:49 <hackemslashem> But if a monster wishes for a blessed figurine?
07:49 <amateurhour> I mean when a monster activates one yeah
07:49 <amateurhour> and the answer is
07:49 <hackemslashem> All the figurines in mmake_wish are blessed, so that's in favor of the player
07:49 <amateurhour> it's always treated like cursed
07:49 <hackemslashem> ohh
07:49 <mobileuser> that makes sense
07:49 <hackemslashem> So I can just delete that BUC then lol
07:50 <amateurhour> eh might as well leave it blessed because it makes sense in a way
07:50 <hackemslashem> ok fine
07:50 <amateurhour> to the monster it would appear to be blessed for good odds of being hostile to their enemies
07:50 <amateurhour> then when you get it you'd expect it to be blessed
07:50 <amateurhour> if that makes sense
07:50 <hackemslashem> Unless you're an Infidel??
07:51 <mobileuser> give the hero a chance to kill the monster before it acivates the figurine? :-)
07:51 <amateurhour> infidels want blessed figurines too (makes no sense rly)
07:51 <mobileuser> disagree
07:51 <hackemslashem> There would have to be a LOT of clauses to accommodate the cursed thing for infidels
07:51 <amateurhour> don't you have to bless your quest artifact or it spits out hostiles?
07:51 <Umbire> You do
07:51 <Umbire> and I was gonna say it sounds like one of those SMOP deals
07:52 <mobileuser> not everything has to be mirrored in curse/bless effects for infidel
07:52 <amateurhour> yeah, I agree with that, just seems weird for figurines when one is the quest artifact
07:54 <mobileuser> dunno, it's a figurine. but others have certainly been surprised I admit
07:54 <mobileuser> "why do I have to bless the Moloch quest artifact"
07:54 <hackemslashem> lol
07:55 <amateurhour> yeah and then they don't listen to you and a few mins later:
07:55 <amateurhour> "I'm surrounded by hostile demons wtf?????"
07:55 <amateurhour> every time :^)
07:55 <mobileuser> haha
07:56 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:1759
08:27 <mobileuser> what's the ETA for hackem on hdf? First of December? :-)
08:28 <cbus> the reddit post mentioned this "Download it from the repo and playtest it to it's limits! I'm aiming to launch it on the Hardfought server this Christmas, but I really want some pre-release feedback before that."
08:29 <cbus> (https://old.reddit.com/r/nethack/comments/ys5gcd/a_new_nethack_variant_has_emerged_behold_hackem/)
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08:34 <hackemslashem> By xmas would be nice :)
08:35 <cbus> preferably a few days early so you can use the xmas vacation time to play :)
08:36 <hackemslashem> I can't figure this tourist ID thing, I'm comparing to Unnethack and stuff looks in line. Just weird - you step on an unknown thing (you see the unknown thing), you step and back on, you've identified it...
08:36 <hackemslashem> cbus: Oh yea that would probably make sense for K2 as well, he's probably got better things to do on Christmas!
08:38 <amateurhour> nooo you have to give him an excuse to dodge the in-laws if needed
08:38 <amateurhour> "ah I'd love to chat longer I really would, but I have to release the latest nethack variant sorry BYE"
08:38 <hackemslashem> bhaak: Can you see thing wrong with my tourist shop ID? It's copied almost verbatim from Un (https://github.com/elunna/hackem/blob/0eb9fd68a88b7a702bd9b10702dadf7284557e02/src/objnam.c#L1268)
08:39 <hackemslashem> cbus: In-laws give blank stare
08:40 <amateurhour> yeah cbus idk what you were thinking with that in-laws thing it clearly wouldn't work
08:46 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) eschewed atheism, by dropping 4 bone crude daggers on an altar, on T:7183
09:18 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) had Secespita bestowed upon her by Moloch, on T:10270
09:23 <K2> :)
09:35 <cbus> hackemslashem, not sure you want to cut down on the vamp silliness :P
09:35 <cbus> You drain the blood from the serval corpse.  Sucks to be you!
09:39 <K2> hah
09:40 <cbus> it seems to have a message like that for every corpse you drain
09:40 <cbus> which is a bit excessive maybe :P
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09:47 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 28942 points, T:14375, killed by a mumak
09:51 <hackemslashem> haha, ok..
09:51 <hackemslashem> cbus: Before it just said "This corpse tastes terrible!" - maybe they are hallucination messages instead? 
09:52 <cbus> You drain the blood from the mountain dwarf corpse.  You drink to your health.
09:52 <cbus> definitely not hallucinating (double checked) :)
09:53 <cbus> and next drain
09:53 <cbus>                   ││ g) uncursed potion of full healing  │
09:53 <cbus> │You
09:53 <cbus> oops
09:53 <cbus> You drain the blood from the gnome corpse.  Fang you very much!
09:54 <hackemslashem> lol, nono, I meant *should* they be hallucination messages?
09:54 <cbus> ohh maybe :)
09:54 <cbus> or at least a bit rare
09:54 <cbus> say 10% chance to get a message like that
09:54 <hackemslashem> What's a good default message? "This corpse tastes great, less filling!"
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13:37 <hackemslashem> Is there any way to open the drawbridge to cerberus other than wand of opening or knock?
13:37 <krm26> does it get force bolted?
13:38 <krm26> bell of opening of course
13:38 <hackemslashem> "This drawbridge cannot be destroyed."
13:38 <hackemslashem> Ooh, good point
13:38 <krm26> and you can xorn it
13:38 <Umbire> Charon was supposed to be the guy you could pay for passage but I forgot how that worked
13:38 <krm26> no point, he left his ferry behind
13:39 <hackemslashem> lol, he's just chillin there
13:58 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Inf Dem Fem Una) killed Baphomet, on T:59491
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14:28 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Inf Dem Fem Una) destroyed Kas, on T:60553
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14:34 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Inf Dem Fem Una), 1509325 points, T:60638, killed by a black dragon
14:50 <mobileuser> D:
14:53 <hackemslashem> f
14:55 <mobileuser> I don't understand how krm26 had flight here:
14:55 <mobileuser> https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/k/krm26/evilhack/dumplog/1666045835.evil.html
14:55 <mobileuser> crystal plate mail should impede flight and he wasn't wearing a flying amulet
14:56 <mobileuser> ^ K2
14:57 <krm26> demon
14:57 <krm26> infidel
14:58 <mobileuser> yeah but wearing crystal plate mail
14:59 <mobileuser> only leather/cloth/dragonhide armor should work for flying
15:12 <K2> currently, if its dragon-scaled armor, wings can pop out
15:13 <K2> crystal plate by itself is too rigid
15:14 <K2> krm26 :(
15:28 <mobileuser> K2 so bug? The dumplog says status "Fly"
15:28 <mobileuser> oh sorry
15:28 <mobileuser> bad at reading
15:29 <mobileuser> I had no idea any dragon-scaled armor would work, TIL
16:05 <K2> still on the fence if that should work or not
16:06 <K2> maybe fine as is
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17:04 <qt> imo it would be interesting if dragon-scaling armor just preserves its inherent wings allowed/not property
17:05 <qt> it would encourage some interesting choices about whether it's worth the extra AC for the loss of wings
17:14 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:2531
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17:36 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) rejected atheism by offering a warg corpse on an altar of Moloch, on T:5180
17:39 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 7540 points, T:5381, killed by a killer bee
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22:16 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] lgxia (Kni Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed crystal plate mail of decay", on T:99240
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