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03:21 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] ftherandomcat (Sam Hum Mal Law) was denied Excalibur! The Lady of the Lake has deemed him unworthy, on T:1668
03:21 <mobileuser> No Excalibur for you!
03:22 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] ftherandomcat (Sam Hum Mal Law) was denied Excalibur! The Lady of the Lake has deemed him unworthy, on T:1864
03:23 <mobileuser> persistent...
03:23 <amateurhour> PepeLaugh they don't know
03:25 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] ftherandomcat (Sam Hum Mal Law) was denied Excalibur! The Lady of the Lake has removed his steel long sword from existence, on T:2067
03:25 <Umbire> >they lack critical information
03:27 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] ftherandomcat (Sam Hum Mal Law), 2816 points, T:2190, killed by a dwarf king
03:27 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Sam Gia Mal Law), 191817 points, T:38467, killed by Ashikaga Takauji
03:27 <cbus> hackemslashem, maybe start undead slayers with a torch
03:29 <Umbire> Aw man
03:31 <mobileuser> oof dbanethacker
03:31 <cbus> F
03:32 <cbus> many spectacular deaths by dbanethack
03:32 <cbus> but also sad ones (medusa/takauji)
04:08 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:2772
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04:48 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Sam Hum Mal Law) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:5784
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05:02 <hackemslashem> cbus: y?
05:02 <hackemslashem> I think half the cast already starts with lamps or torches, just wondering why that one 
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05:04 <cbus> I am just thinking of a vampire slayer running around with a torch in a hand :)
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05:07 <cbus> dbanethacker, my condolences on the sam quest death
05:07 <amateurhour> I have consulted the literature
05:07 <amateurhour> https://www.growingguides.com/buffy/photos/Buffytorch.jpg
05:07 <cbus> did he get buffed in evilhack btw?
05:07 <cbus> haha
05:07 <cbus> not that dying to him in vanilla would be very weird
05:10 <mobileuser> I don't think he is buffed really, but funny story
05:11 <mobileuser> there used to be a bug
05:11 <mobileuser> if you played a giant samurai, then Ashikaga Takauji was a giant too
05:11 <hackemslashem> ok for you guys, slayer gets a torch (batteries included)
05:12 <cbus> :D
05:12 <mobileuser> So I had set up a boulder fort, but he just climbed on top of it!
05:13 <amateurhour> hackemslashem: I saw you mentioned that you didn't port over doppelganger yet
05:14 <hackemslashem> not yet, still brewing
05:14 <cbus> haha ouch
05:14 <cbus> surprise giants are the best giants
05:14 <amateurhour> not sure how good a suggestion this is, but originally doppelganger used to be a role (predating the ability to pick different races)
05:14 <amateurhour> maybe it'd be interesting to do that instead? not sure
05:15 <hackemslashem> That did occur to me (I didn't know that they used to actually be a role) but it's weird that roles can be dopplegangers. I kind of go off the deep space 9 guy when I think of them
05:16 <hackemslashem> role and race = doppleganger
05:16 <amateurhour> the quest for doppelgangers back in nhplus isn't hugely interesting: https://0x0.st/oI5q.DES
05:16 <hackemslashem> Maybe you try to find your home world and reconnect with the great pool of goo you came from?
05:16 <hackemslashem> "Master Shifter" LMAO
05:17 <amateurhour> I think the doppelganger quest was what became the monk quest honestly but it's hard to know exactly what happened
05:17 <amateurhour> for reference here's the original monk quest in nhplus
05:17 <amateurhour> https://0x0.st/oVhv.DES
05:17 <cbus> get shifty
05:18 <hackemslashem> Master Shwifter
05:18 <hackemslashem> Pull down your pants, shift on the floor!
05:19 <hackemslashem> I'm trying not to add anything really big until my issues go down a bit. I seem to be running mostly into the same ones now
05:20 <amateurhour> ur a variant dev now ur meant to just yolo and ignore issues
05:20 <hackemslashem> I gotta keep trying with rr, last time I tried it didn't even run
05:21 <amateurhour> idk if it even works in wsl, supposedly it does now but idk I don't even have a windows machine in the house
05:21 <hackemslashem> I'm fixing all the issues that other variant devs ignored apparently!
05:22 <hackemslashem> I might try it on my aws server, use some of that bezos power
05:32 <hackemslashem> I think what splice does for access to monster pokedex info might work for doppleganger. So you can't transform into a species until you have destroyed it, eaten it, or #chatted with it.
05:33 <hackemslashem> That could also parallel with the unknown tins mechanic, not sure yet 
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06:44 <cbus> hackemslashem, You hear a deafening roar!  enexto() called with mdat==0 enexto() called with mdat==0
06:48 <hackemslashem> I think that's something from Un, it should only be visible in wizmode?
06:49 <cbus> not wizmode :)
06:49 <cbus> I doublechecked with ^W
06:49 <cbus> cause that was my first thought
06:58 <amateurhour> I think it's a debug_pline
06:59 <amateurhour> which can happen with either wizmode or if DEBUG is defined in compilation
06:59 <amateurhour> can't remember how it's configured
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07:03 <hackemslashem> I think I can just get rid of that line, I don't think it's caused any problems
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08:40 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] lgxia (Kni Hum Mal Cha) had a steel dwarvish spear entrusted to him by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:67812
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09:31 <hackemslashem> happy freezing friday!
09:40 * aosdict zaps hackemslashem with a wand of cold
09:43 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] lgxia (Kni Hum Mal Cha) had a bone knife entrusted to him by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:70489
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10:02 * hackemslashem reads a scroll of fire
10:04 <aosdict> I don't think you get the point of freezing friday
10:04 <aosdict> now get in line to see dr. asmodeus
10:07 <amateurhour> freezing friday sounds like some kind of phrase to get project managers onboard with the idea of not pushing to prod on fridays
10:07 <amateurhour> but to that I say PAH, if ur a real man u only push to prod on fridays
10:16 <K2> 'the mantle of knowledge'
10:23 <amateurhour> prepare to be amused further
10:23 <amateurhour> the mantle of knowledge was a helm of brilliance and not a cloak slot item
10:24 <amateurhour> same invoke as priest helm, on-carry MR, and telepathy when worn, if curious what it did
10:25 <amateurhour> so rly it's kinda better than the eyes
10:26 <cbus> amateurhour, https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BY5synCCQAEDPrv.png
10:28 <amateurhour> tRUE
10:28 <K2> it's all one big beta test
10:29 <K2> i do like the EotO for the fact it's not taking up an armor slot
10:29 <K2> you should be able to put a towel over your face if you're wearing lenses
10:29 <cbus> agreed
10:31 <K2> https://www.hardfought.org/phpBB3/gallery/image/2517/source
10:31 <cbus> :D
10:31 <cbus> I should probably start a wiz-elf now that we talk deaths
10:32 <K2> i have a dorf arc going. was gifted sunsword. wanted grayswandir but i'll take it
10:32 <cbus> but I have kinda given up on the thought of streaking but still "hoping" not to die :P
10:33 <K2> i accidentally 2 streaked
10:34 <K2> i never try to streak, my play style isnt cautious enough :)
10:38 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Blixie (Wiz Dwa Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:1781
10:48 <cbus> I have been working on streaking for a while now :)
10:49 <cbus> wanted to break my PB of 5 from last TNNT and I managed to :)
10:50 <hackemslashem> Hey, can vampires drink booze in unnethack or dnh? 
10:54 <amateurhour> uh why wouldn't they be able to? they definitely can in dnh
10:56 <hackemslashem> I dunno, asking for a friend!
10:56 <cbus> is the friend a vampire?
11:05 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Blixie (Wiz Dwa Fem Neu), 376 points, T:3007, killed by a spear trap
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11:48 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Sam Hum Mal Law), 12371 points, T:8276, killed by an owlbear
11:56 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Sam Hum Mal Law), 147 points, T:896, killed by a boulder
12:24 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:985
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15:48 <cbus> hackemslashem, You kill the rock gnome!  The winter wolf cub dies from its illness.
15:48 <cbus> pet zombie kills confirmed :P
15:48 <cbus> no penalty for draining it?
15:48 <hackemslashem> For draining your pet as a vampire?
15:48 <cbus> yeah
15:48 <cbus> no message at least
15:49 <hackemslashem> Uhh, I know cannibalism is acceptable, maybe pets too?
15:49 <cbus> I was expecting some message like eating your pet
15:49 <hackemslashem> I'll default to Unnethack behavior in these cases
15:51 <cbus> why do they scribble on the floor btw?
15:53 <hackemslashem> Because, vampires have a scribble clause
15:53 <cbus> so in the sense of finding soft gems it is the same just a different text? :)
15:59 <hackemslashem> no idea
15:59 <hackemslashem> I'm still trying to fix the toilets 
16:17 <cbus> hackemslashem, Purrminator drops a tripe ration. TIL :P
16:19 <hackemslashem> i'm not sure what you are talking about
16:22 <cbus> in vanilla they instaeat them
16:22 <cbus> (it is a cat)
16:22 <cbus> if the name wasnt obvious :)
16:24 <hackemslashem> oh gotcha
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16:26 <cbus> doing some light hackem since I got really demoralized by my streak ender in tnnt from 2 trap doors (from above mine town before I even been in minetown) to mine end
16:26 <cbus> into magic trap
16:26 <cbus> into fire ant (after managing that situation some how)
16:27 <hackemslashem> I think I've noticed some weird pet food stuff like that, but the taming still seems to work like normal
16:28 <cbus> it could just be that the pets are more restrictive about eating everything if they actually have food
16:28 <cbus> hmm s/have food/are not hungry/
16:31 <hackemslashem> Fixed a lot of stuff this week; I think gray stones finally work as advertised!
16:32 <cbus> gj!
16:32 <cbus> I keep my version up to date :)
16:33 <hackemslashem> I also ported over the extrinsic item protection from xnh. Although, I'm not sure of a couple things (maybe aosdict can clear this up), if you have =o Fire res, your scrolls and potions are currently protected, but your armor is not
16:33 <hackemslashem> Does it work like that in 3.7?
16:44 <cbus> hackemslashem, is this a bug? "n - a scroll labeled 4OFAE OF9 SCC9."
16:45 <cbus> never seen scrolls with numbers in names before
16:45 <hackemslashem> not a bug :D
16:45 <cbus> not sure I like that one
16:45 <cbus> it fucks with my naming sceme :P
16:46 <cbus> for price id
16:46 <hackemslashem> The comment from splice says: /* Voynich */
16:46 <hackemslashem> Mean anything?
16:46 <cbus> only I nkwo is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voynich_manuscript
16:47 <cbus> som old codex that nobody has been able to decode (or at least last time I read about it)
16:48 <cbus> (I name my scrolls like "scroll called 60/80 REA" or "scroll called 80 DUA")
16:50 <hackemslashem> Thats pretty wild, you should do 80 VOY then 
16:51 <hackemslashem> Or just play as a tourist and all your stuff is id'd in shops anyway
16:51 <cbus> ohh cool
16:51 <cbus> I had no idea that was a thing :)
16:51 <hackemslashem> Yea that's from Un or Fiq 
16:52 <hackemslashem> But it's kinda fun, speeds up the game a bit for our poor tourists out there
16:52 <hackemslashem> Wait a minute... Un = fUnHack???
17:56 <qt> voynich manuscript is cool
17:57 <qt> "40FAE OF9 SCC9" is using the EVA transcription alphabet of the Voynich http://voynich.nu/transcr.html
17:57 <qt> http://voynich.nu/transcr.html#Eva
17:58 <qt> Oh or I guess it's "Frogguy" actually
17:58 <qt> just above the Eva section
18:01 <qt> actually maybe it's something entirely different since I can't figure out what "F" means in Frogguy
18:06 <qt> imo it should be renamed to use EVA, that's the most recognizable transcription alphabet.  Just rename it to "qocheeky qocheedy daiin" or something, that will be immediately recognizable as voynichese :)
18:08 <qt> also solves cbus' problem with numbers
18:15 <hackemslashem> huh
18:19 <hackemslashem> qt I have some issues that relate to evil on github, lmk later if you have any ideas on them. https://github.com/elunna/hackem/issues.  I think #9, 15, 19 are inherited from evil. K2 has been keeping better track than me
18:20 <hackemslashem> I could use any help with #29 as well - no idea what that is. 
18:20 <hackemslashem> But, I'm goin to bed so good night for now
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19:18 <dbanethacker80> Hi all, quick question
19:19 <dbanethacker80> I'm standing 2 squares outside a shop as a lawful samurai.  My pet goes in and brings something out.  Am I penalized for having "stolen" from the shop?
19:19 <Umbire> No
19:19 <dbanethacker80> Glad to hear it!  Thanks for the quick feedback!
19:19 <Umbire> I mean, you shouldn't be
19:19 <Umbire> But I'm not 100%
19:19 <Umbire> Gimme a bit...
19:19 <dbanethacker80> Oh, yes, I agree.  No rush, thx for looking it up !
19:20 <Umbire> Also gonna nudge K2 for a way more certain answer
19:21 <Umbire> Right, alignment penalties/gains (if chaotic non-Rogue) only apply to direct theft
19:24 <Umbire> i.e. doing it via pet is kosher in all cases
19:26 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Sam Hum Mal Law) performed his first genocide (gelatinous cubes), on T:4167
19:30 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] lgxia (Kni Hum Mal Cha) killed Medusa, on T:71525
19:47 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Sam Hum Mal Law), 5429 points, T:4858, killed by a giant beetle
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