01:38 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] KingGizzard (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 9217 points, T:9561, killed by a gas cloud
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03:35 <hackemslashem> G'morning
03:46 <Umbire> 'lo
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03:56 <hackemslashem> bye!
04:52 <mobileuser> I don't know why you say goodbye, I say hello!
04:53 <hackemslashem> ha
04:53 <hackemslashem> hello hello!
04:56 <hackemslashem> Trying to nail down an issue today with fern sprouts, would really appreciate any help 
04:56 <hackemslashem> https://github.com/elunna/hackem/issues/10
04:58 <amateurhour> about to go into a meeting, but energy vortices and green slimes are engulfers right?
04:58 <amateurhour> so check if there's a grudge between them and fern spores
04:58 <amateurhour> uh fern sprout
04:58 <hackemslashem> It looks like an engulf attack is displacing a monster onto a fern sprout; maybe related to steed placement?
04:58 <amateurhour> the bug might be mvm engulfing generally rather than something specific to them
04:59 <hackemslashem> Yea they both engulf, I think ferns hate everything lol
04:59 <amateurhour> oh they both engulf? could they both be engulfing eachother in same turn?
04:59 <amateurhour> meeting brb
05:00 <hackemslashem> gl!
05:04 <hackemslashem> Actually it IS the spores that hate everything; so maybe one attacked an engulfer and created a fern sprout before the engulfer spit out the engulfee (fern spores create sprouts on explosion)
05:05 <mobileuser> yum, steamed fern sprouts
05:08 <hackemslashem> One time when I was really little, I remember my family went out and picked a bunch of fern sprouts and cooked them later for dinner. I was the only one who didn't eat them, probably because they looked gross, and everyone else ended getting really bad diarrhea lol
05:14 <mobileuser> heh
05:31 <amateurhour> I know dnh had issues with dungeon ferns and similar thing before, not sure how they fixed it
05:31 <amateurhour> worth seeing if unnethack(?) or whichever variant you got it from had this issue
05:31 <amateurhour> I guess engulfers are much more rare there though
05:39 <hackemslashem> I'm going to try making it impossible for engulfers to attack them, seems like the easiest way?
05:39 <hackemslashem> At least attack them via engulf... 
05:40 <hackemslashem> Yea I looked around Unnethack but didn't see anything 
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07:40 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Sam Hum Mal Law), 709 points, T:1450, killed by a steel crossbow bolt, while dragging an iron ball
07:54 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Sam Hum Mal Law), 887 points, T:1185, killed by the Goblin King
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08:08 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Sam Hum Mal Law), 797 points, T:1542, killed by a bolt of cold
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09:36 <hackemslashem> Now issue #7 is the problem child. Something with pets/levelteleporting. I'm starting to see the pattern with fuzzing is you fix the most pressing issue, than another one just takes it's place :/
09:40 <K2> damn pets
09:49 <hackemslashem> Maybe I can set a breakpoint right before it crashes and I'll be able to figure out what pet it is/was, can't really tell anything right now
09:54 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:3029
09:54 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] lgxia (Rog Hum Mal Neu) had a spear entrusted to him by Mog, on T:41311
09:58 <qt> that kind of thing is probably going to need a lot of careful attention paid to the common circumstances each time it happens, or rr
09:58 <qt> rr would be easier
10:02 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Sam Hum Mal Law), 5271 points, T:3486, poisoned by an orcish arrow
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10:16 <mobileuser> amateurhour was teleported away but is back now
10:18 <amateurhour> hackemslashem: I usually have breakpoints on __exit and panic
10:19 <amateurhour> and with address sanitizer I have an additional breakpoint on __sanitizer::Die
10:19 <hackemslashem> lol, sanitizer DIE
10:20 <hackemslashem> I just figured out my gdbinit file today, what a lifesaver. Just added break for panic
10:22 <hackemslashem> Yea, maybe it's time to learn rr. Any good resources on it?
10:23 <amateurhour> paxed wrote a great walkthrough on using it for a vanilla bug but the site is still down
10:24 <hackemslashem> rr-project.org looks promising :)
10:24 <amateurhour> Tl;Dr is you gotta turn on fuzzer by default as you can't break at runtime when using rr
10:24 <amateurhour> otherwise it's as simple as following the quickstart on the site
10:24 <amateurhour> yeah
10:25 <amateurhour> after that it's pure black magic honestly, it's epic
10:25 <amateurhour> did I mention it in my fuzzing braindump? hopefully did
10:26 <hackemslashem> yes, you said it was black magic :o
10:27 <amateurhour> it is
10:27 <amateurhour> so Past Me was right
10:28 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:1689
10:33 <krm26> late to the game but rr is fantastic
10:34 <krm26> debugging tools make all the difference...i've had to do SO MUCH troubleshooting in ancient environments without any debugging tools at all (being ancient myself)
10:35 <hackemslashem> It sounds really neat, and perfect for these things that only pop up once in a long while, and for the randomness that is nethack
10:36 <amateurhour> asan can catch most of your nethack variant issues it's just not enough to get the multi-turn stuff
10:37 <krm26> lsan and asan work with rr of course
10:37 <hackemslashem> hmm, so I set debug_fuzzer in the hints file? 
10:38 <amateurhour> I couldn't get lsan to work with rr, and for a while asan used to need linking in a different order or something
10:38 <amateurhour> I know it definitely works with asan out of the box now
10:39 <amateurhour> hackemslashem: I just add a line somewhere for evilhack that sets iflags.debug_fuzzer to 1
10:39 <amateurhour> don't know if there's any way right now to compile with it set to on, think there's a wizmode command in vanilla now that turns it on though, maybe worth porting that
10:48 <hackemslashem> Looks like newgame() would be sensible.
10:55 <hackemslashem> ugh, not sure rr will work in wsl yet
10:58 <krm26> oh, i wouldn't necessarily expect rr to ever work in wsl's pseudovm.
10:58 <amateurhour> this issue seems to suggest it works in wsl2
10:58 <amateurhour> https://github.com/rr-debugger/rr/issues/2506
11:06 <krm26> pretty cool!
11:09 <K2> yeah it is
11:10 <K2> i still dont understand 100% how to use rr efefctively, qt had to hold my hand last time
11:10 <K2> *effectively
11:10 <krm26> i guess wsl2 is a real implementation so it makes sense, wsl1 was pretty janky
11:11 <amateurhour> I hope they release wsl3 where windows 12 is actually a linux distro and the subsystem is just an official wine 
11:11 <amateurhour> they already have a microsoft linux distro, sphere, for azure 
11:11 <amateurhour> so it's just a matter of time
11:12 <K2> windows/linux merge into One™
11:12 <K2> oneOS
11:13 <krm26> windows should just be a linux desktop
11:13 <amateurhour> yeah
11:14 <krm26> but that would make it much more difficult to monetize
11:15 <krm26> think of what would happen if k2 made evilhack open source, of how much revenue he would lose
11:15 <krm26> i mean, we're each paying like 3 large a year for access right now, right?
11:17 <amateurhour> it'd be just as easy to monetise, they make all their money from azure and business licensing rly
11:17 <amateurhour> so it'd be source available but still licensed for businesses for money
11:17 <amateurhour> easy way to get free labour from bored weenies
11:17 <amateurhour> mr microsoft hire me i have teh good ideas
11:17 <K2> i need an intern
11:45 <hackemslashem> huh, okay I think I actually compiled perf, now to make it work with rr. Must have to set an environment variable or something
11:58 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] vartester (Con Hum Mal Cha) became literate by reading The Blacksmith's Cookbook, on T:5552
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12:01 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] vartester (Con Hum Mal Cha), 4929 points, T:5736, killed by the Goblin King
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12:04 <hackemslashem> bla, too much trouble, I'll just pick up a cheap linux box instead of this windows/linux mutation
12:05 <krm26> most people have something lying around that can be turned into a linux box for free -- old pos laptop or whatever
12:06 <krm26> i used to build linux "boxes" in cardboard boxes
12:06 <hackemslashem> right??
12:08 <amateurhour> if you own the computer and it's not supplied by work or whatever then you could always dual boot
12:08 <amateurhour> cons: still have windows 
12:11 <krm26> also, probably at least 25% of your friends/acquaintances have a brick lying around they don't want and are too lazy to take to electronic recycling that you could put a distro on
12:13 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Sam Hum Mal Law), 2194 points, T:3092, killed by a rothe
12:14 <qt> you can run linux on a brick!?
12:14 <qt> now that's embedded
12:14 <qt> embedded in a wall i mean
12:15 <krm26> a silicon brick anyway
12:22 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Sam Hum Mal Law) had Snickersnee bestowed upon him by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:1061
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12:32 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:1496
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12:38 <krm26_goddamit_g> hjkjfh
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12:38 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Sam Hum Mal Law) had a scale mail entrusted to him by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:1843
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12:53 <qt> just as quickly as he came, he was gone
12:53 <qt> :(
12:54 <qt> leaving only those few words, a whisper on the wind... hjkjfh
13:10 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Sam Hum Mal Law) destroyed the invisible Gutso's ghost, the former Idolater, on T:4302
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13:46 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] vartester (Con Hum Mal Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:6423
13:51 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Inf Hum Mal Una), 75 points, T:89, killed by a goblin
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13:54 <hackemslashem> Ok this is an awesome crash message:
13:54 <hackemslashem> "You see catnip fly everywhere!"
14:22 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Sam Hum Mal Law) made his first wish - "blessed greased fixed +3 gray dragon scales", on T:7007
14:37 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] vartester (Con Hum Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, acquiring a leather helm of speed, on T:8746
14:41 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Inf Dem Fem Una) killed Medusa, on T:49052
14:57 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] vartester (Con Hum Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:9453
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15:05 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Sam Hum Mal Law) destroyed the invisible karibou's ghost, the former Cutpurse, on T:8263
15:05 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Sam Hum Mal Law) destroyed bouquet's ghost, the former Adept, on T:8312
15:09 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] vartester (Con Hum Mal Cha), 24960 points, T:9960, killed by an elven watch captain
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16:05 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] KingGizzard (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:3902
16:28 <mobileuser> oops I missed an evilhack asc
16:28 <mobileuser> congrats bouquet!
16:28 <K2> \o/
16:28 <mobileuser> bit late :b
16:29 <Umbire> gg
16:31 <amateurhour> wow gratz mobi on the first ever infidel asc!
16:31 <amateurhour> bit late sorry
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16:41 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Sam Hum Mal Law) had a dagger entrusted to him by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:8909
16:42 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] vartester (Con Hum Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:3384
16:44 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] vartester (Con Hum Mal Cha) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:3490
17:03 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] vartester (Con Hum Mal Cha), 6822 points, T:5240, killed by hallucinogen-distorted Baphomet
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17:33 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] vartester (Con Hum Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:4593
17:40 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 1210 points, T:1864, diseased by a diseased gnome corpse
17:43 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] vartester (Con Hum Mal Cha), 5950 points, T:5695, killed by a gray unicorn
18:32 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] vartester (Inf Hum Fem Una), 178 points, T:372, killed by an acid blob
18:41 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Sam Hum Mal Law) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:13406
18:54 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] vartester (Inf Hum Fem Una), 1457 points, T:2626, killed by a jumping spider, while praying
19:15 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Frozty (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:1518
19:34 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Sam Hum Mal Law), 36734 points, T:15723, killed by a storm giant, while moving through the air
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20:11 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:2241
20:27 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] lgxia (Rog Hum Mal Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:46427
20:30 <bouquet> priests get dinged for throwing darts and daggers, right?
20:30 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] lgxia (Rog Hum Mal Neu), 124744 points, T:46681, killed by a vampire mage
20:34 <Umbire> bouquet: You are correct
20:34 <Umbire> Find an aklys or a sling for non-spell ranged attacks
20:35 <Umbire> Sling bullets are a thing so they're unironically viable, idk anything about any other sling-related changes in evil though
20:35 <Umbire> (off the top of my head)
20:36 <bouquet> sling+bullets was my backup plan. What's the damage on sling bullets?
20:36 <bouquet> I've blown through 10 on a floating eye and it didn't die
20:45 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Inf Hum Mal Una), 4021 points, T:3853, killed by a bolt of cold
20:49 <Umbire> did any of them actually hit?
20:50 <Umbire> also floating eyes have regen keep in mind
20:50 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Sam Hum Mal Law), 6235 points, T:5181, petrified by a cockatrice
21:31 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Pri Hum Fem Neu) murdered her faithful jackal, on T:3915
21:31 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Pri Hum Fem Neu) murdered her faithful jackal, on T:3915
21:46 <Umbire> bouquet: baby wyd
21:46 <Umbire> /hj
21:46 <Umbire> no but really that's worrying, did a thing happen invovling werefoo and gas spores?
21:54 <bouquet> ~.
21:54 <bouquet> oops
21:55 <bouquet> ssh is weird sometimes
21:56 <bouquet> so anyway, 2 magic lamps so 2 potential early wishes.  I'm planning on PYEC at some point, but now is a bit early.
22:09 <Umbire> skin brushes agains the PYEC and you explode like a cacodemon on the wrong end of the Doom protag
23:25 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Pri Hum Fem Neu) rejected atheism by offering a gray fungus corpse on an altar of Mitra, on T:7357
23:31 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Pri Hum Fem Neu) had Demonbane bestowed upon her by Crom, on T:7824
23:38 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 1090 points, T:1936, quit
23:45 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Pri Hum Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:9365