00:07 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Ran Cen Fem Neu) wished for "uncursed magic marker named Ticonderoga #2", on T:75576 00:17 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Ran Cen Fem Neu) destroyed Vecna, on T:76122 00:27 -!- hackemslashem has joined #evilhack 00:33 -!- hackemslashem has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 00:39 can I get intrinsic flying from eating an amulet of flying? 00:43 20 down the wizard testing hatch and not dice 00:48 My guess is no 00:49 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Ran Cen Fem Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a xorn, on T:76748 01:06 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Inf Orc Mal Una), 745 points, T:1181, killed by a kitten 01:09 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Inf Orc Mal Una), 225 points, T:570, killed by a system shock 01:09 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Inf Orc Mal Una), 4 points, T:14, killed by a magical explosion 01:15 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Ran Cen Fem Neu) genocided alhoons, on T:77429 01:16 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Ran Cen Fem Neu) genocided arch-liches, on T:77429 01:34 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Ran Cen Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:78471 01:34 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Ran Cen Fem Neu) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:78472 01:41 -!- hackemslashem has joined #evilhack 01:42 -!- hackemslashem has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:55 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Sam Hum Mal Law), 3265 points, T:3421, killed by a giant mosquito, while praying 02:09 -!- hackemslashem has joined #evilhack 02:13 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:1225 02:33 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 02:42 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Sam Hum Mal Law) eschewed atheism, by dropping an uncursed +0 katana on an altar, on T:3053 02:47 amateurhour: I made a google doc for fuzzing stuff- https://tinyurl.com/ycxdyf8s 03:03 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 03:05 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Sam Hum Mal Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a leocrotta, on T:4200 03:13 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Sam Hum Mal Law), 6256 points, T:4487, killed by a vampire bat, while praying 03:28 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:1316 04:07 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Sam Hum Mal Law) eschewed atheism, by dropping a blessed +0 katana on an altar, on T:3738 04:15 -!- PhantomLumina has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:16 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Sam Hum Mal Law), 4753 points, T:3935, killed by a jaguar 04:18 -!- amateurhour has joined #evilhack 04:28 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 04:33 amateurhour: Actually, instead of a google doc, I'm just going to put all my bugs/finds on the github issues page, way easier to organize there 04:34 nice :) 04:34 then you get bored weenies doing drive-by PRs to fix stuff 04:36 yes please! 04:37 I have some fixes for other peoples stuff so hopefully they will return the favor, I have to figure out how to PR but there's some splice stuff I have fixed 04:37 Grenades and phoenix eggs namely :) 04:44 to make a PR you basically push to a branch of your fork, then click open PR on the upstream repo 04:44 should be ez 05:02 that map mon not in fmon list one is something that'd maybe be worth using rr for 05:03 basically anything the potentially crosses turns 05:05 Yea I had no idea what that was 05:05 The newest one I found, might have to do with the scroll of change materials (transmogrify) 05:07 I'll have to look into the rr black magic 05:09 paxed wrote an awesome guide on rr 05:09 not quite a good but more writing down his thoughts as he was trying to diagnose a vanilla issue using rr 05:09 however atm it's down so can't be linked to :( 05:10 darn 05:11 not quite a guide* 05:11 lol didn't mean to imply it wasn't good 05:14 I got it :) 05:32 it segfaulting on the write but not the previous reads in the searmsg is odd, makes me think the obj is something whack 05:34 I made iron damage nymphs and imps, and copper does extra damage vs fungi and monsters with disease/sickness attacks. Could be related but probably not 05:36 ahh that's why 05:36 special_dmgval can set it to the zeroobj 05:36 so then in searmsg it's trying to write to zeroobj, but that's read-only 05:38 something like that 05:40 I ... think I follow, looking at special_dmgval 05:41 I could be wrong, trying to multitask with work 06:56 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Dem Fem Una) wished for "blessed mithril magic lamp named no grease", on T:58187 07:33 sorry been away for a bit, i tested positive for covid yesterday morning bleh. hit me kinda hard. feeling a bit better today so far 07:34 dude! hope you get better soon, and avoid the long crap 07:34 isolating from family? stuck in basement doing nothing but evilhack coding? 07:34 nothing but tnnt 07:35 fingers crossed you feel better soon 07:35 yup quarantined myself, i have the living room and downstairs bathroom. not allowed anywhere else hah 07:35 thanks 07:36 they can throw cheetoes and tullamore dew in to keep you alive 07:36 i started taking paxlovid series, last night - antiviral. i think its working 07:36 i now have this persistient sharp bitter metallic taste in my mouth that wont go away 07:36 do they do any variant analysis for you these days? 07:37 they can but you have to ask and its $$$ 07:37 i had my fall booster shot a lil over a month ago which is supposed to protect against the newest variants, so the virus has prob mutated again 07:37 i dunno 07:37 now that you've told us you can't go incommunicado for more than 12 hours without freaking everybody out 07:38 :) 07:38 you have your daughter prepped and ready to take over your repo, with all your dev notes, right? she's ready 07:38 lol no 07:39 i did some tnnt stuff last night but i couldnt focus for too long 07:39 what kinda service analyses your variant? I thought nethack variants were kinda niche 07:39 just updated servers with new code qt and aosdict made thats it 07:43 I think you can still catch the virus but the vaccine is supposed to make the effects less severe? 07:43 yup 07:45 aw that's a bummer. Last time I got it I smelled campfire for like 2 weeks 07:49 vaccine can keep you from getting it too, but yeah its main purpose is to keep your from becoming severly ill/dying 07:49 as shitty as I felt yesterday, i dont want to think how it'd be without having been vaccinated 07:50 when you let kathryn on irc will she be named K3? 07:51 heh 07:51 she likes the nickname 'Kat' but that'll prob change 08:00 -!- hackemslashem has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:03 Mine was "V" for 11 years, which I loved, but now that she is 12 she has started using "Tora", which I guess is at least not "Tori" :-P 08:03 Stupid autonomous spawn 08:04 :) 08:04 ruining the gmail address i got for her in 2010 08:09 of course 08:09 mini-me uses her gmail addy i made (at least for now) 08:10 i've actually been pleasantly surprised by how little pushback i've gotten from her on keeping a 0 social media presence 08:10 in fact she'd probably yell at me if she knew how much unnecessary personal information i shared on hardfought 08:16 mini-me will not be allowed to have a fb account, or tik tol or instagram or any of that bullshit 08:16 *tok 08:16 tiktol sounds like a chemical 08:16 heh 08:17 or a pharmaceutical 08:17 I have the opposite problem where I don't use social media generally but my parents have discovered tiktok 08:17 haha 08:17 I'm happy my parents haven't discovered tiktok 08:17 cringe! 08:17 i'm recently back on fb 08:17 I discovered tik-tok but it was the character in the oz books 08:17 just so i can communicate with my sister 08:18 I'm in the small minority of never having had a fb account 08:18 sainthood 08:18 you're not missing anything 08:18 I imagine clockwork automatons in dnh as tick-tock from wizard of oz 08:19 for a long time I was in a "no social media ever" phase, but then things like reading reddit posts without an account and joining neighborhood discord servers crept in 08:19 and of course I have a reddit account to announce xnethack releases and stuff 08:20 amateurhour: it is spelled tik-tok. baum had it a century before bytedance even existed 08:20 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 08:20 yeah sorry I just had a brain fart when writing it there 08:20 I have read it, it was ages ago though 08:21 have you seen return to oz? I think it speedruns the second and third books 08:22 (but with dorothy instead of the boy) 08:22 I don't think I've seen any movies of oz except the original film years ago 08:22 ah right it's quite good imo, worth a watch 08:23 but I've read all the baum books (not the ones by other authors after he died) 08:23 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:6679 08:24 -!- hackemslashem has joined #evilhack 08:54 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) killed Aphrodite, on T:8368 09:16 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 09:21 i need to rest a bit. back later 09:30 -!- qt has joined #evilhack 09:35 i totally don't believe in sparsely populated data structures any more. just text or pseudocode and regex 09:42 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) had a leather cloak of protection entrusted to her by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:9698 09:46 A SHIRT! 09:46 I still weirdly massively enjoy finding shirts. 09:51 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 09:58 it's a monk thing I guess 10:06 What is? 10:07 Umbire: Shirts. 10:08 Oh, well yeah. Technically replaces the body armor slot, I guess. 10:32 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Dem Fem Una) genocided master mind flayers, on T:58796 10:33 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:2384 10:53 Scrolls of gold detection haven't been changed in Evil have they? 10:53 no, same as vanilla 10:54 This surprises me 10:54 why? 10:54 Some variants it can't detect portals, just makes the endgame harder 10:55 and more tedious 10:55 xnethack just always displays portals 10:55 Those are pre-portal as trap variants iirc? 10:55 Idk if that was post-3.4.3 generally 10:56 or specifically past a certain point in like, 3.6.1 or something 10:56 -!- Umbire is now known as PhantomLumina 10:57 3.4.3 already has confused gold det of portals I think? 10:57 just not the vibrating square 10:57 Yea that sounds right 10:57 Right 10:58 Then ig some variants do that on the basis it's technically not a trap 10:58 ? 10:58 Though idk which ones if so 10:58 unnethack for example 10:58 Ah 10:58 I think you need the crystal ball there 10:59 Un has a little warning system though, so if you are 2-3 square away it'll give it away 10:59 not for portals 10:59 nope 10:59 for the vibrating square 10:59 but that is not a bad idea 11:00 Yea I like that, combined with no scroll-portal hopping, softens it bit 11:00 hmm splicehack maybe? 11:01 Then the confused gold detection could detect SILVER! 11:01 Or maybe copper is like the opposite of gold, I dunno 11:02 I really want to make a "variant cheat sheet" someday... 11:03 we already have one, it's called NetHackWiki /hj 11:03 heh 11:06 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 11:07 ok, confused gold detection detecting silver (items) is actually a really neat idea 11:07 \o/ 11:07 cursed+confused perhaps? 11:08 copper/silver/plastic? 11:08 well ideally you would like to keep it capable of detecting all traps (not just portals) when confused 11:08 not saying that should get removed 11:08 or silver/copper/iron (b/uc/c) 11:09 true, that is still a great mechanic 11:28 I like wand of trap detection in gnollhack and p much every variant which has it 11:29 also portals already being visible is epic 11:29 full support on that 11:29 you mean the wand of secret door detection? 11:29 /j 11:29 wand of trap detection is a wish candidate for me in gnollhack honestly 11:40 YANI: If you get amnesia in Evil, you can lose knowledge of Elbereth 11:42 blease no 11:54 -!- PhantomLumina has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:56 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 12:03 [hdf-eu] [evil] davez (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 1492 points, T:2618, quit 12:05 [hdf-eu] [evil] davez (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 48 points, T:251, killed by a goblin 12:09 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 12:10 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:4996 12:14 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) tasted meat for the first time, by eating a wraith corpse, on T:5340 12:15 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had a pair of cloth low boots entrusted to him by Huan Ti, on T:5411 12:19 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Inf Orc Mal Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:1864 12:20 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Inf Orc Mal Una) performed his first genocide (krakens), on T:1894 12:26 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Inf Orc Mal Una) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:3090 12:27 [hdf-eu] [evil] davez (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 3842 points, T:3309, poisoned by a rabid dog 12:27 -!- Umbire is now known as PhantomLumina 12:28 -!- elenmirie has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:29 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:7591 12:34 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Inf Orc Mal Una) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:4062 12:36 [hdf-eu] [evil] davez (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 496 points, T:1290, killed by a gold arrow 12:37 what is a wand of trap detection? 12:37 different than a wand of secret door detection? 12:37 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (genetic engineers), on T:9171 12:50 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 12:58 yeah one zap detects all traps and portals on current floor, no line of sight shenanigans 13:03 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) was chosen to take lives for the Glory of Huan Ti, on T:11916 13:06 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Inf Orc Mal Una) had Secespita bestowed upon him by Moloch, on T:7315 13:10 [hdf-us] [evil] Frozty (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) averted death (killed by Vlad the Impaler), on T:28595 13:11 [hdf-us] [evil] Frozty (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 1287633 points, T:28596, killed by life drainage 13:11 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) polymorphed his first object, on T:12186 13:13 sounds pretty op 13:18 it's really rare but yeah it's awesome 13:22 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Sam Hum Mal Law), 2909 points, T:4853, killed by a hill orc 13:25 [hdf-eu] [evil] davez (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:2203 13:32 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 13:41 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 13:41 -!- Frozty has joined #evilhack 13:43 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, acquiring an amulet of reflection, on T:16064 13:44 K2, krm26 I died. I stoned Vlad with a cockatrice corpse, but he unstoned himself somehow and I then had no escape. How did he unstone himself? It said he did it with a spell. 13:45 [hdf-eu] [evil] davez (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) became literate by reading a book, on T:4353 13:45 stoning a monster takes a few turns in evilhack, just like when you yourself get hit by a cockatrice corpse (you have an opportunity to eat a lizard corpse or something) 13:45 monsters have a few turns to do the same thing in evilhack, stop themselves from being stoned 13:46 so he probably didn't turn to stone and then turn back, but just cast a spell to stop the stoning in progress 13:51 [hdf-eu] [evil] davez (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 4326 points, T:5222, killed by a wolf, while sleeping 13:52 any spellcaster (wat), higher than level 5 (wat??), can cast stone to flesh on themselves 13:53 it's not in the monster spell list for clerical or mage spells or anything, they can just all do it 13:54 i wonder why it's not just a normal monster spell 13:54 i guess the idea is it would be extra challenging to make all spellcasters impossible to stone 13:54 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 13:55 Casters can also run out of spell power to cast with, so it's not impossible anyway, but it's more than difficult enough to no longer be a "free win" button 13:58 [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law), 1800 points, T:4287, killed by a steel arrow, while dragging an iron ball 14:00 idk if they can or not, think they just have a potential cooldown of random roll up to 5 turns 14:00 up to 7 turns* 14:00 but stoning takes 5 turns 14:01 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Dem Fem Una) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:59619 14:01 it's not even a cooldown in this case, they can cast it as long as mspec_used is less than a large number based on level (255 for high level monsters) 14:02 so they can cast it like 40 times in a row 14:02 a high level monster 14:02 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Dem Fem Una) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:59629 14:02 as I said, not impossible in those cases but very much a battle of attrition 14:02 and if you're not kitted for that you should try other methods 14:03 So did he "Stone to Flesh" himself? That's the only spell I could think of that might work... but he wasn't "stone" yet when he cast it. 14:03 it's not a real spell 14:03 [hdf-eu] [evil] davez (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 936 points, T:1914, killed by a small mimic 14:03 monsters don't cast the same spells as the player, so this is just an unnamed "monster can unstone itself" 'spell' 14:03 I figured if I could hit him, then wait his process out I'd be good. Nope. 14:04 underestimating vlad is painful in vanilla, in Evil it's unfortunately asking to die 14:04 qt He should just be stoning resistant then. I looked for that in his stats, and since he wasn't I yeeted myself at him with the 'tice. 14:04 [hdf-eu] [evil] davez (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 37 points, T:155, killed by a boiling potion 14:04 no resistance =/= no defense 14:05 Unnamed spell =/= resistant 14:05 ? 14:06 meaning, even if a monster isn't outright immune to a given method, that doesn't guarantee the method will work 14:06 there are quite a few design choices in evilhack that punish thinking outside the box or trying to do things other than "hit it with a weapon over and over" imo because they are considered "too easy". that goes especially for 'bosses' 14:06 which, i get it, because for some people who are real minmaxers they will just use the 'optimal' choice every time, and K2 wants the game to be challenging for those people too 14:06 You can still stone Vlad if you paralyze him first I imagine 14:07 Just that you don't get to "tap with rubber chicken and win" vs. casting bosses anymore 14:07 no i don't think that is true PhantomLumina 14:07 "I imagine" being the key words, I've not tried myself 14:07 actually maybe it is, idk, it's not in the actual checks for whether he can cast the spell 14:07 but it could be somewhere else along the way to that function 14:08 I did it because I was handicapped by accidentally stepping into lava. Lost most of my pack. On my way to see if anything survived the lava, the 'trice corpse presented itself, and I had a fresh branchport from below Vlad to use. I knew it'd take him a few turns, but I had a AoLS to burn. Not quite a free pass. 14:08 I would think paralysis would stop casting period 14:08 it's not a normal spell 14:08 ooh, lava... 14:08 it's not part of the normal spell casting process 14:08 I wanna wiz test this but I don't have a good candidate monster to bother 14:08 but i do think it probably would stop it, because it's implemented in part of an item-use thing 14:09 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Dem Fem Una) performed the invocation, on T:59817 14:09 they also can't cast it if they are confused 14:10 so that's actually pretty cool if both of those are tactics that will work, there are definitely ways to approach it creatively, i take it back 14:10 so qt I might have missed it (or it went over my head); high spellcaster can just un-stone themselves? As a spell, or item use? 14:10 it's like a fake spell they can do 14:10 it's not an item, it's a spell from the perspective of a player (not one of the spells the player can use) 14:10 it's just implemented internally different than a normal spell 14:11 it's just like a rule internally "if a monster is looking for a way to stop turning to stone, and is a spellcaster (and isn't cancelled or confused), it can do it magically" 14:11 feels wrong that it's any spellcaster and not a certain type, and over level 5 I don't get the point of that level req 14:11 That needs to go in the wiki somewhere. I went all in. 14:12 would it be very different if it applied only to monsters that can cast arcane spells instead of clerical spells, amateurhour? 14:13 qt stone to flesh is very much a spell the player can use 14:13 will stone to flesh stop the stoning process on a player? 14:13 Yes, it always has 14:14 says right on the tin 14:14 was about to say something like master kaen but he's petrification res 14:14 also already made a mental note for later 14:14 Yeah you're explicitly prevented from stoning quest nemeses, also a vanilla-ism 14:14 PhantomLumina: they aren't actually casting stone to flesh though 14:14 i guess i am talking about it in terms of how monster spellcasting is actually implemented 14:14 from the perspective of the player yeah they are casting stone to flesh 14:15 >from the perspective of the player yeah they are casting stone to flesh 14:15 That's fine functionally -- just needs to be knowable. 14:16 and like I said, it will be noted on the wiki before the day's out 14:16 i don't think not mentioning it on the wiki is a failure of the game 14:16 it is a bit of a trap to not mention it in the monster spells section at least 14:17 ^ 14:17 to both 14:17 yes it definitely should be mentioned 14:19 btw Frozty vorpal jabberwocks can also instakill you 14:19 that's a free tip because that's what has killed me every single time i've gotten to gehennom in evilhack 14:19 I learned that yesterday! I was by chance wearing an AoLS. 14:20 I was AC -43 or so, and just thought I could whack anything. 14:20 [hdf-eu] [evil] davez (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 1867 points, T:2696, poisoned by a killer bee 14:20 lucky save. i think i've had one burn through my aols and then kill me again very soon after but i might be misremembering that 14:20 After that, I never wantd to not be wearing an AoLS. That's partly how I ended up in lava. 14:20 I think my last good game died to giant centipedes at the castle 14:21 which are insane damage mons 14:21 actually one time i got to gehennom it was one of the demon lords that killed me, because i stupidly thought that being high level alone, without nurse dancing, would leave me enough HP to survive more than 2-3 turns of combat ;) 14:21 And because I lava'd myself (just walked right on in), I didn't have much kit for Vlad. 14:22 So I yeeted. 14:22 having a scare tool is good when meeting giant centipedes 14:22 Evil Tip #1: Never assume you can just whack anything. 14:22 @e?giant centipede 14:22 giant centipede (s) | Lvl: 16 | Diff: 20 | Spd: 24 | Res: poison | Confers: poison | MR: 0 | Generates: gehennom dungeons | AC: -6 | Attacks: 6d8 bite drain str, 1d4 touch wrap | Alignment: 0 | Flags: genocidable, carnivore, conceals, thick hide, oviparous 14:23 speed 24 with that damage 14:23 and a wrap 14:23 more like "it's a wrap" 14:23 for Vlad it's recommended to have drain resistance, for example from a dragonhide shirt of drain resistance 14:23 Next time. 14:23 mobi can I borrow you one day to hold my hand 14:23 and spoonfeed me an evilhack asc? 14:23 heh 14:24 basically whenever you encounter a spellcaster imagine they have 40 lizard corpses Frozty 14:24 for realsies, I'll do it 14:24 Would have been good if not for the Get Out of Stoning Free card ;-) 14:24 Like was said, it's not entirely free :B 14:25 I distinctly remember the one time Krm opted to constantly stone Vecna until it stuck 14:25 (pre-artifact drops, I think? bit fuzzy) 14:25 I'm not seeing where monster spellcasters have this ability, it's not in muse.c 14:25 yes it is, it's in munstone 14:26 grep for 'can_cast_spells' 14:26 wait what is that function even for 14:26 which one 14:26 can_cast_spells? 14:26 actually stoning a caster who can cast stone to flesh is not a HORRIBLE strategy if you have a good to hit chance 14:26 oh yea, nasty. munstone() 14:26 it can work 14:27 can_cast_spells, yeah 14:27 but it can also cost you vecna loot 14:27 it's only used in that one place 14:27 yeah it looks weird as well 14:27 that's why i was saying earlier "mspec_used is not a timeout but only in this one place" 14:27 but actually it returns early if mspec_used is nonzero 14:27 yeah the first time i did vecna -- i think it was the 2nd vecna kill in history? i had a priest that couldn't scratch him 14:27 krm26: I was trying to remember if he could drop the artifacts at the time 14:27 i ended up eventually stoning him, it really took a toll on the character 14:27 so can_cast_spells and maxspelltimeout seem useless 14:28 And yeah, priests can't Sunsword and/or Sword of Kas either so 14:28 he only had the eye at the time, and the stoning did kill the drop 14:28 [hdf-eu] [evil] davez (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 719 points, T:1540, killed by a baby owlbear 14:28 now with forging priests can boulder fort/+7 aklys of shock him 14:28 sorry, silver aklys of shock :-) 14:29 but yeah, there is a long list of things you definitely don't always want to just toe-to-toe in evilhack 14:29 including a lot of demon lords/princes, vlad, centipedes, shambling horrors, vorpal jabberwocks 14:29 gray dragons 14:29 black dragons 14:29 and if you can't breath/aren't giant, sea dragons 14:30 that' 14:30 that's in addition to the normal salamanders, krakens, eels :-) 14:30 locusts 14:30 man it is a long list 14:30 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Sam Hum Mal Law), 4489 points, T:3128, killed by a shattered potion, while being terrified of a ghost 14:32 oh and mobileuser's ghost's pet titan who picked up butcher 14:34 orrr this minotaur on level 7 of the mines nope nope 14:34 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Dem Fem Una) imbued the Idol of Moloch, on T:59914 14:37 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Sam Hum Mal Law), 233 points, T:612, killed by a gnomish wizard 14:39 krm26 a pet titan is usually rebatela's ;-) 14:40 ah you may be right 14:41 how goes the infidel? 14:46 using can_cast_spells actually seems to cause the monster problems 14:46 because it will "think" it can cast (using can_cast_spells) even when mspec_used will cause an early return, so it won't evaluate other unstoning options like food 14:47 https://termbin.com/4dkq I think it needs something like this, guessing those functions came from another variant that changed how mspec_used works? 14:48 [hdf-eu] [evil] davez (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3645 14:48 K2: see above 14:49 more lines deleted than added, but we pay by the line 14:50 sorry qt we'll be taking a percentage of your pay this month 14:51 i understand 14:51 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:1498 15:00 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Sam Hum Mal Law) stole 3195 zorkmids worth of merchandise from Nenagh's second-hand bookstore, on T:2056 15:00 [hdf-eu] [evil] davez (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 3959 points, T:5303, killed by a goblin-captain 15:02 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Sam Hum Mal Law), 1586 points, T:2108, quit 15:03 -!- VaderFLAG has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:04 Hey krm26 or anybody, I have a question going back to ttrec files. 15:05 ok shoot 15:05 I can unzip the .gz files now, but when opening in Windows Notepad, there is still a lot of formatting characters (I guess) 15:05 I can read the messages, but there are a lot of repeats too. 15:05 you have to use a player for it 15:05 Is there a better way? 15:05 you can use a ttyrec player 15:05 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Ttyrec some players are listed there 15:06 Can a player show the file, or just play them? 15:06 i don't normally bother with a player myself, i use grep 15:06 krm26, how btw? :P 15:06 i.e., can I use the plaer to search in the file for a specific event message 15:06 or sometimes if i'm lazy open it in vsc 15:06 some flag for binary search? 15:06 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Sam Hum Mal Law), 143 points, T:324, killed by a water elemental 15:06 yeah, grep -a 15:07 I tried to find out what happened to excalibur in one of my runs but couldnt find stuff while grepping but since I have my inventory on the right side using the perminvent I could pretty fast find it by fast forwarding 15:07 ahh good to know, thanks :) 15:07 many modern editors handle the file garbage well enough to search these days too -- like the default vsc editor usually works ok 15:08 yeah, I did it once in neovim 15:08 remember that the file is basically an output dump, so everything that changes on the screen gets barfed in the file 15:08 managed to parse the crap a bit in my brain to find the turn count and then just play to that turn using a player 15:08 that's why it looks like there are duplicates -- there really aren't :-) 15:08 i usually use grep or neovim but especially someone playing on curses it often gets broken up by special characters 15:09 sometimes helps to search for a smaller subset of the message like / swings / instead of "the giant eel swings itself around you" 15:09 yeah. you could load it up in vsc, run a prerecorded search-and-replace on the binary garbage, and be left with pretty clean text 15:09 Anyone know if the scroll of magic detection has any effects if cursed? Looks like it mostly acts as uncursed but want a double check... 15:09 i keep thinking i'll make a plugin for handling nethack tty in vsc but in the end i'm too lazy! 15:10 -- it is in read.c under SCR_MAGIC_DETECTION 15:11 look at magic_detect(detect.c), grep for is_cursed in that function to see cursed effects 15:12 I know, I see that it wakes up magical monsters, there is something with M_AP_OBJECT I don't get though 15:12 that part causes mimics imitating magical objects to appear as their disguises 15:12 normally it wouldn't show them because they aren't real objects 15:13 like if there is a mimic imitating a wand, a cursed scroll will draw the "wand" as one of the objects it detects. others won't 15:13 that's similar to other detection scrolls 15:13 yeah, M_AP_OBJECT means that a shapechanger looks like an object 15:14 Ok thanks 15:17 -!- VaderFLAG has joined #evilhack 15:24 Is there a full list of magical properties? I.e., of excellence, of frost, of drain resistance, etc? 15:24