00:11 A grand total of exactly three wraiths. 00:12 yeah man... blows these days 00:15 people don't want you to ascend so they cry when they see other people gaining levels (or doing anything that doesn't fit their stat) ... rooting for ya over here bro 00:16 hadn't planned on playing but was woken up by crazy people who are now sleeping on my couch, and they let my CAT out so Inow I have an excuse to stay up and i guess play evil and probably splat 00:17 did you eye them back to soko? ( i assume we are talking votd?) 00:20 [hdf-eu] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) refused to give up The Eyes of the Overworld to Master Po, on T:36024 00:22 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) destroyed Kas, on T:43769 00:23 Is the sword of kas useful even slightly to a monk? Perhaps I should poly it? 00:26 rebatela will you stfu about people not wanting others to win. that's not true 00:30 rebatela: I did! 00:30 rebatela: I'm already XP 25 so I'm not exactly doing badly. 00:31 i'll gladly stfu but i can root for someone playing and agree that it sucks that there are less wraiths and when someone says "oh i 'm glad to see he finally made that change I suggested!!" 00:35 Hmm, I think I'm not using the right strategy in vecna's domain, the various master liches and alhoons don't seem to be getting hurt. 00:35 i've seen you nerf/buff the game and then have people say "oh about time. or "YES! glad he finally listenend to me. THat made it too easy bla bla bla". just not how i play. jesus man 00:35 what people 00:36 I mean this is hinging on the idea that wraith-farming is necessary to win, which... I don't think it is, but also are you sure this isn't just reading too much into a case of bad luck? 00:36 of course it's not 00:37 what people are saying 'i dont want to win' ? 00:37 i've never seen that 00:37 i thought we were done talking about it? 00:37 not in this channel, in #hardfought... anywhere 00:37 i'm "shutting the fuck up" 00:37 I remember the original argumetns for removing the wraiths, but there were originally a ludicious number of them in vecna's level, adn the valley does have sufficient already. If anything, I'd probably argue that the valley wraiths be moved to vecna's domain, except for 3. :) 00:37 no you're not, so i'll calling you out. what people? 00:37 it's not just the wraiths 00:37 *i'm 00:38 I actually like that evilhack is a *hard* nethack. 00:38 show me in the irc logs where someone was saying they didnt want someone else to win 00:39 give me a name 00:39 no, i'm shutting the fuck up 00:39 i'll believe it when I see it 00:40 Oh I'm glad he changed that!!! YES!! i was telling him there were too many! bla bla bla 00:40 has happened a few times 00:40 that's not what I asked you about 00:40 i don't care man.. i can ascend. it's lame though. 00:40 show me where someone was rooting for someone else to lose 00:40 oh well that's what i'm talking about 00:40 i'm going back to stfu 00:41 thank you 00:41 We have this episode every month, dude, legitimately. 00:42 Four hits in my logs for "there are too many", and none apply to wraiths. 00:42 Seems we have too many swords. 00:43 Too many swords and not enough mariliths 00:43 hextuple-wielding when 00:44 Oh, i only searched *hack channels. 00:45 Ok, so not four, but 7, then. 00:45 yeah it was probably a secret phone call on an encrypted line, arahael... "k2, There are WAY too many wraiths in that graveyard on the vecna level.. people have been eating them and get a ton of PW because of it. You better change that shit or someone who casts spells might have an advantage" 00:45 i'm joking around man. i dunno what your problem is. i will gladly stfu 00:46 Heh. :) 00:46 I _do_ recall the general complaint actually. 00:46 i would just never point out some shit to the dev to make the game "EVIL" hack even harder. 00:47 he brought up the wraiths thing. jesus christ 00:47 Ok. :) 00:47 So... Strategies for vecna level! Why can't I kill this ****'ing alhoon? 00:47 But you made it a thin-- you know what, you got it. 00:47 Gone to Genno to recuperate. 00:48 arahael: Checking them via stethoscope? 00:48 Umbire: Yes. 00:48 What's the AC? 00:48 Umbire: Oh, I forgot to look for THAT! But I hit darn hard, and they are always at full health after they vanish and come back. 00:49 When my Pw is back up, I'll go back in. 00:50 So far that sounds like classic "covetous warping" problems, which 00:50 My hat is no-longer inflamable, though. 00:50 I feel like you've experienced that enough times to have an idea 00:50 Then again this is Evil™ and they generally warp to avoid you rather than targeting the stairs proper 00:51 Umbire: Yes, indeed, but indeed, they're warping away. 00:51 I think I used scare monster strats when I dealt with a master lich this one time? 00:51 If you don't cast spells you don't care about wraiths so much 00:51 * rebatela casts spells 00:52 I seem to be mostly ignoring the master liches. Three of them, whatever. 00:52 There were 5 that ganged up on me actually but they were fine. This is my third and most difficult alhoon. 00:52 Well do you remember the AC it has? 00:53 No, I need to go back and check. 00:53 i'll gladly stfu, but why do you think people point out what they consider exploits, k2? out of good nature? 00:53 Which I can now! 00:54 I'd have to be spectating to really get a good gauge on things, but just at a glance if you can't deal any real damage it usually starts there. 00:54 AC: -9 00:55 eyes of the overworld didn't block magical eye 00:55 Status of the alhoon (female, chaotic): Level 26 HP 114(114) AC -9, fast, invisible. 00:55 Umbire: Yep, just the classic avoiding thing, it seems. 00:56 Oh not that bad. 00:56 Well is your see invis still flickering, somehow? 00:59 It is. It's weird. I've been eating stalkers, but that only remains permanent if I eat them _while_ invis, right? Otherwise this see invis is now permanent. 01:02 Yeah, you have to be invisible, and the invisibility also becomes permanent as well 01:02 (i.e. until such time as toggled off) 01:03 You zap the wand at yourself before you eat one, minimizes alignment abuse. 01:03 I've done the quest so I no-longer care about alignment. 01:04 Hmm, seems I can't magic-map vecna's level. 01:05 Stands to reason 01:05 i'll find logs, but instead i will stfu as ordered. Don't deny it has happened though. "yes! i'm so glad he finally listened to me. That made it way too easy to bla bla bla" And as the developer? Of course you want feedback like that. Hell, it's evilhack. Make it hard. I just have always looked at it like the players should be on each others sides 01:05 I don't think I've stuck the maps on-wiki yet, should go do that at Some Point 01:05 Makes figuring out the lava difficult. 01:07 Try spamming light, unless you have pets around that it'd bother 01:08 even the shit like PW giving diminishing returns at some when leveling up. I can imagine not caring about that if i always played barbarian or whatever. 01:09 Hmm. I've got the eye, though. 01:09 Ah, nice. Light goes further. 01:11 Walls are no-dig, too. 01:11 As expected 01:12 There's no obvious ingress point. 01:13 I lost a good char to Kas, so. 01:14 One of the four towers in the corner has your upstair 01:14 Oh! 01:14 So I have to get back down to get up in the right sopt. 01:14 *spot 01:15 ...no? 01:15 Or, maybe yes but you're wording it weird? 01:15 Hmm, then what towers are you referring to? 01:16 Within Vecna's domain 01:16 Because there's none on this level. There's basically four columns in the previous level though. 01:16 Oh so you MADE it to Kas's level. 01:16 ...which, big warning, you're on Kas's level. 01:16 I've passed kas's level. 01:16 I'm trying to find vecna. 01:16 Ah. 01:17 Alright, cleared that up... 01:17 Not ure how to actually kill vecna, but anyway... 01:18 Probably worth prepping ahead of time for a first encounter I imagine 01:18 But yeah, where have you not looked around the lava 01:18 i don't always kill vecna (am i allowed to talk strategy or am i supposed to be shutting the fuck up still?) 01:19 Umbire: That's well hidden, then. 01:19 often just do the first two levels for the loot/wraith or 2 etc. 01:19 and just deal with the h/L 01:19 Peeking at the maps, you actually can't miss it 01:19 More wands of cold, then, I guess. 01:20 I don't trust potions of levitation, and my only other source is... boots... 01:20 But I'm wearing speedboots. 01:20 There's a big fuck-off building opposite where you usually enter and he's somewhere inside there 01:20 No cone of cold? 01:20 Or shit, even freeze spheres would do in a pinch 01:20 No. 01:20 No. 01:20 Bother. 01:26 I've found what looks to be some sort of drawbridge... With absolutely no way to get to it. 01:26 Not sure to open it safely. 01:27 How do I open the vecna drawbridge and *live*? 01:30 The same way you open any other? 01:31 Umbire: Stand right in front of it and lower it? 01:31 The blessed Bell and the wand of opening are options. 01:31 Wand can't reach it. I could use the last charge on the bell. 01:31 Yeah, you could. 01:31 I _think_ the bell can reach it. 01:32 Before you do anything. 01:32 How close are you exactly? 01:32 Maybe I should go down just one tile. 01:32 I am nearly a knight's move from the drawbridge, but on where the moat normally is, which I've cleared awa. 01:32 *away 01:33 Hold on please... 01:33 I usually stand afar in front of it, and zap opening or striking or whatever, but I can't do that here. 01:33 Ok. :) 01:33 I've had to clear away a TON of lava to get to this spot. 01:33 Think you made a mistake. 01:33 -!- hackemslashem2 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:33 Yeah? 01:34 The tile in front of the drawbridge is probably gonna keep it from opening 01:34 -!- hackemslashem2 has joined #evilhack 01:34 Not sure how that's a mistake i've made? 01:34 Nothing to open into, e.g. the Castle usually has water there 01:34 Yeah, that's pretty much what I'm trying to ... Oooh... So it needs *lava* there. 01:34 Yeah. :v 01:35 -!- hackemslashem2 has quit [Client Quit] 01:36 Hmm, maybe if I were to wake vecna up, I could draw them out? 01:36 I have Gjallar. 01:36 You could 01:36 I dunno if that'd be wise, but you ccould 01:36 I have no idea what I'm doing, but you can see how I've cleared away the lava so that i could even find that spot! :D 01:37 Lets try the bell. 01:37 I mean honestly it probably beats going all up in the Tower only to have him stair warp, but 01:37 It's not blessed. 01:38 Alright, now try it. 01:38 That worked. 01:38 Cool so I'm full of it, can open to land. 01:38 Dunno why I thought otherwise 01:38 Anyway don't get exploded and happy Vecna fighting. 01:39 (Legit I'd help if I could but no experience - lucky I could even get you this far) 01:39 Heh. :) 01:39 Found vecna but on the other side of the wall. 01:40 Still owe Kas payback for that one giant 01:41 I... Accidentially killed kas in this game. 01:41 And ignored the sword. :D 01:43 "accidentally"? 01:43 Also you're a Monk, why wouldn't you? 01:43 Yeah. I was trying to kill the master lich behind kas. 01:43 I think, anyway. That fight was a blur. 01:46 Oh, wow, Vecna has like, 390 HP. 01:47 Yep. 01:48 I think I'll leave Vecna alone after looting his chest. :) 01:48 it's a fun branch and i've killed vecna a couple times, but i usually don't bother because i'd be pissed to splat there. 01:48 I only have a max HP of 142 myself, anyway. 01:49 Hmm, maybe sit on the throne? 01:49 (Vecna still alive) 01:54 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) destroyed Vecna, on T:45323 01:55 Got the eye, doesnt' seem useful to me. 01:56 GG 01:56 you can geno alhoons, L etc 01:56 The hand would have been better. 01:56 Oh, yeah. 01:57 yeah it's cool you get one or the other now. Used to be you could get nada 01:57 Yeah, wondering if I should sac it, or eat it. 02:00 What's the Eye do, again 02:00 Different from SLASH'EM or same? 02:00 or, sike the Hand was the SLASH'EM one 02:00 > When carried, the Eye of Vecna confers cold resistance, ESP, astral vision, and half spell damage. When invoked, it causes the Eye to death gaze at all monsters within visual range, either greatly reducing their hit points or killing them outright if they don't have magic resistance. 02:01 Invoking it is really really bad though. 02:01 Sounds about right 02:03 I mean it seems fine, slotless telepathy is cool for Monks 02:03 It's not the Hand but then what is 02:04 I've already got telepathy, but not external. 02:05 I mean, I've got intrinsic telepathy. 02:05 And obviously warning. 02:05 I prefer external 02:05 and here it saves you removing the Eyes to use telepathy 02:05 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) genocided two random monsters from class L, on T:45347 02:06 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) genocided two random monsters from class h, on T:45348 02:06 Oh yeah. Blessed geno sucks in evil. 02:06 lol right 02:07 I specifically typed "alhoon", and it did not geno alhoons at all. 02:07 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) genocided alhoons, on T:45351 02:07 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) genocided arch-liches, on T:45352 02:09 Well, that was a good combination, at least. Geno'ed mind flayers, master mind flayers, alhoons, arch-lich, lich, and another lich, I forget which. 02:12 rebatela: I guess I have no need for the mobileuser hat now? 02:29 yeah i think you're good 02:29 weird i think i pissed off my god by just refusing to give the artifact back? I didn't even kill master po ( yet) 02:30 i guess i should just kill him now 02:30 :D 02:30 !whereis rebatela 02:30 arahael: rebatela is not playing. 02:30 what do you usually do? 02:31 it takes a lot of sacrificing to get good after you kill him (assuming you don't give the eyes back?) 02:31 Me? I'd definitely kill him. ;) He's hard to kill, though. Very very hard. 02:31 nah it's not that bad 02:31 but the bell doesn't work if you don't 02:31 you say I'd as if you're not in the same boat? did you already do that? 02:32 it's not so much that the fight is hard, but like i said it takes quite a bit of altar work to get back so you can pray etc. 02:33 I've already killed him before, yes. 02:33 He loves, loves casting insects, too, so watch those locusts. 02:33 What are you playing as? 02:33 same as you 02:34 !whereis rebatela 02:34 rebatela: [hdf-eu] rebatela [evil]: (Mon Hum Mal Neu) T:38348 The Dungeons of Doom level: 6 02:34 i'm gonna have to do ice queen. still no boh 02:36 [hdf-eu] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Master Po, on T:38475 02:38 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:49 really want dragonbane. hopefully i can get it from sacrificing eventually 02:50 chih sung-tzu is not my biggest fan these days though 02:51 RNGesus is so crazy. Always seems like when you have a game when ya don't find a lot of ground scores/early wishes the castle wand ends up being 0:1 02:51 then when ya get a game with all sorts of stuff, throne wishes, multiples bones with extra W0W's etc it is 0:3 02:52 got 15 wishes last game but found everything i needed in bones. i was just wishing for markers at the end for no reason 03:11 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 03:39 -!- amateurhour has joined #evilhack 04:08 arahael why didn't you wish for levitation ring or flying amulet instead of freezing all the lava? 04:08 mobileuser: I started feeling the need to save wishes for better armour, though now I realise my armour is pretty decent. 04:08 ah ok 04:09 I now have flying, though. 04:09 nice 04:09 also, good to have a sprig of wolfsbane in inventory, or a ring of protection from shape changers. in case of weredemons ;-) 04:09 I also had wands to spare, too. 04:10 Yeah, though the last time when I lost my armour, I either got turned *immediately* or somehow missed the message. 04:10 Not enough slots, though. Not having hungerless casting sucks a bit. 04:12 I saw you killed Vecna, nicely done! 04:12 Thanks. :) 04:37 If I have water-walking, I can walk on lava, right? I mean, if I'm fire resistant too... 04:38 Yep, I can! 04:39 I see it makes my lizard corpses "smoulder", with the appearance that it gets rotten. 04:41 yeah, non-fireproof things in your inventory can still burn 04:42 K2: There was a bug just now where, for some reason, I couldn't see beyond one square, as if I wasn't wearing the eye. When I took it off and put it back on, though, it fixed itself. 04:53 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:46894 04:53 Well, that was unexpectedly dangerious, he's been seriously boosted in evil. 04:56 \o/ 05:05 It's very easy to get overwhelmed in genno. 05:14 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed fixed greased +3 dragonhide robe", on T:47644 05:14 Just hit AC:-45 05:15 Hmm, and my god's "displeased" now that I've prayed. Crowning is not likely to happen. 05:20 You have extrinsic telepathy now from the eye of the vecna? 05:20 I do yeah. 05:20 So see invis is less of a big deal. 05:21 Still, would be neat to use Mjollnir. 05:21 heh 05:24 Heh, "create monster" produced a shambling horror. :) 05:25 Luckily, shambling horrors in this game are just minor biting things. 05:28 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 1474 points, T:1635, quit 05:38 Hmm, why is my AC suddenly AC:-35 now? 05:38 Somehow, I've lost my divine protection? 05:39 How!? 05:39 mjollnir sucks. aren't you a monk? use your hands... 05:40 esp. end game where a lot of things have shock resistance and you're hitting with a hammer for 1d4 or whatever 05:41 it's a heavy hammer in evilhack or whatever it's called 05:41 Perhaps I should stop carrying it then. 05:41 i mean, if you are using it obviously not. I just never use weapons as a monk in evil because MA is pretty badass 05:42 MA is pretty badass, yeah. 05:42 Weird i've lost my proteciton. 05:42 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) made her first wish - "blessed fixed +3 bone gauntlets of power", on T:1743 05:43 I'm confused about our conversation about master PO and the eyes etc. Did you give the artifact back? Unless you avoid him, it really fucks up things with your god. You have to sacrifice a LOT of shit to get back good so you can use the bell 05:43 i was talking about it re: my game and was wondering how you were handling that. Like, I still can't pray 05:44 and yeah you will lose your protection if ya do... Do you have ludios in your game? Go kill the priest you donated to and go donate to another (ice queen temple or molochs) 05:45 I haven't seen ludios, but I haven't exactly been looking. 05:45 I'm not killing Po, that's someone else though. :) I've killed him before in another game though. 05:45 yeah 05:45 good luck with the invocation lol 05:46 he's not tough 05:46 you either have to give the eyes back or kill him 05:46 You're still confused. 05:46 i guess so 05:46 your alignment was good? 05:46 i can't play that way. i eat meat etc. 05:46 *alighment*, no, it's been pretty thoroughly abused, but I'm "pious". 05:47 he didn't ask for the eyes back? 05:47 Ah, no, at that time, it was only "moderately abused". 05:47 And I lucked out. 05:47 oh wow nice 05:47 Got to keep it and all. 05:47 i've never had that happen lol 05:48 it just really sucks to forget and then have the bell not work and THEN have your shit be all messed up after you've killed rodney etc. 05:49 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:2484 05:50 you definitely lucked out. it's hard to have him let you keep it (i'm pretty sure... either that or i'm just a dirty dirty player lol) 05:50 :) 05:50 i always kill him 05:50 Still, there's a whole game between him and rodney. Plenty of time. 05:50 I'm annoyed I lost protection. 05:51 Especially since I don't know how. 05:52 perhaps the prayer when your god was displeased? 05:52 wiki time... 05:53 I checked the wiki, I don't recall anything from that list, except for maybe a gremlin, but there were no messages and I don't think the gremlins I killed were that recent. 05:53 "Praying when it is unsafe to pray." 05:53 says wiki 05:53 yeah that definitely does it 05:53 I didn't get smitten, though. 05:53 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Intrinsic_protection#Losing_intrinsic_protection 05:54 sucks. but there's gold . did you donate to a coaligned priest? if not just go kill him and go donate it somehwere else 05:54 You mean cross-aligned priest? 05:54 ummm no 05:55 i just mean don't kill your own priest but if he's already mad at you and you lost your protection it probably doesn't matter because you have to sacrifice anyway 05:55 There are no priests mad at me. But yes, it does seem I've already lost protection. 05:56 not priests. your GOD 05:56 whomever you donated to has your gold 05:56 (and a couple spellbooks and a robe) 05:57 Ah, I see. Ok, I'll go and kill the priest I know should have some 40 or 50k gold by now. 05:57 sucks that it's probably 12000 per ac pt now (you don't get that d4 again) 05:57 Yep. 05:57 but i do that all the time anyway if there's a bunch of temples 05:58 you can get more than the 9 if you get lucky 05:58 killing any priest is murder I think? 05:58 it is 05:58 oh I don't know your alignment... 05:58 yeah. i mean, don't listen to me if you're trying to be lawful goody two shoes conducts and all that lol 05:58 neutral 05:58 Yeah, I'm neutral. 05:59 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) murdered her faithful pony, on T:4037 05:59 but if you already lost your protection not much worse can happen as long as you have an aligned altar to make good 06:00 you'll lose your intrinsic telepathy but you just have to eat a floating eye (plus doesn't the vecna thing give it?) 06:00 Vecna gives it I think. 06:00 The Eye of The Vecna. tum tee tum.... 06:00 do you have a neutral altar somehwere? 06:01 Plenty. 06:01 that's the only problem if you start murdering people and don't have an altar of your own you might convert, but as long as you have an altar you can sacrifice and get good with chih (even after killing Po, just takes a long time) 06:02 i usually will donate to the kathryn ice queen priest, then kill him, then take the gold and donate in VOTD 06:02 after doing same with minetown priest (unless they are neutral too) 06:02 Sensible. 06:02 even that doesn't matter because you already lost your protection 06:03 yeah.. you can get it to like +12 etc. pretty easily if you're lucky 06:03 i mean... it's a lot more expensive at xl30 obviously 06:04 might want to make sure you don't have ludios 06:04 (i need to do the same) 06:04 i have no death wands yet and out of wishes 06:04 oh if you do kill the ice queen priest don't let kathryn see... 06:06 Kathryn already hates my guts. 06:07 yeah dude. if you got out of there you are super lucky 06:07 that's usually game over the second time... 06:07 She was invisible. 06:07 yep 06:07 i've done the exact same thing man 06:07 I bumped into her, "oh shit...", so I invoked the eyes out. 06:07 and i actually got the marker that game (10% chance in that crystal chest with the bag) 06:07 oh nice 06:08 It's nice having the eye, the eye, AND the eyes. 06:08 EotA to the resuce 06:08 hell yeah man 06:08 Not to mention, I also have Gjallar. 06:08 if she was next to you she would have followed lol. 06:08 you can donate to the votd priest though 06:08 * rebatela has lost his divine protection MANY times 06:09 Oh that's good to know. 06:10 but yeah i've done that same shit. didn't have see invisble and just typo'd into her or one of the dogs or something 06:12 Where's ludios usually? I can't find any indications of a vault from 21 down, so I think there isn't one in my game. I didn't magicmap though. 06:14 yeah i think it's from 8-medusa 06:14 definitely ends level before medusa (the chances of ludios) 06:14 i'm sure mobileuser knows 06:14 (or the wiki does ) 06:15 if you can cast mapping or det treasure or whatever it's probably worth checking. I don't think i have it in my game either and i sorta need it 06:18 Oh, treasure, of course. 06:18 (gone), but I'll do that later. 06:19 Will kill first, then look. 06:19 not every game will have ludios 06:19 Now, just got the murder penalty. 06:20 Feel a bit like one-punch man, that was the easiest priest kill ever. 06:20 55k gold. spellbook of light. spellbook of magic missile, spellbook of magic missile, spellbook of magic missile. And robe. 06:21 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) performed her first genocide (two random monsters from class w), on T:5606 06:21 And God's fine... Sac'ed one animal> You glimpse a four-leaf clover at your feet. 06:22 i've had that be misleading... not sure if a bug or just misremembering but make some more sacs to be sure 06:23 use enlightment to double check 06:23 I wonder if that's why I couldn't get crowned or something. Is it really misleading? 06:23 invoke the eyes :-) 06:23 Because I've relied on that. 06:23 invoke the eyes exactly 06:23 mobileuser: The eyes? 06:23 i never go by clovers 06:23 How would that help? 06:24 it'll tell you if you can pray 06:24 your quest artifact 06:24 Oh, the eye can do that!? 06:24 invoke = enlightment 06:24 :) 06:24 Wow! 06:24 This is awesome. 06:25 probably want to eat a floating eye or goblin shaman or whatever to get the mental acuity back 06:26 other than, murder ain't no thang lol 06:26 other than that* 06:27 I don't mind the mental acuity thing. 06:27 Have to be blind to use ethat anyway. 06:28 yeah, but when you are running up with the amulet and rodney chasing you, you might not want the eyes out for him to steal so yeah blinding yourself to see what is on the level can be useful... 06:29 rodney is a bitch now... sometimes he has MR so you have to melee=many more chances for him to steal shit 06:29 i often bag the eyes (both) or one and take my chances. He stole one of them my last game 06:29 with the eye of the vecna I think you can still blind yourself and "see" all monsters 06:30 and rodney won't steal that 06:32 mobileuser: Yes, but I have the other eye on as well. 06:34 rebatela was talking about if rodney steals that 06:34 but that for much later to worry about :-) 06:35 Oh insane. There's ludios. 06:35 mobileuser: I have the other eye, as well. :D 06:36 Ah, but I have to wear them. 06:36 I only wear the monk one. 06:37 too many eyes, confusing :b 06:38 I have the monk one, the vecna one, and the wizard ones. 06:38 Plus the two I was born with in this game. 06:38 A grand total of... 5? 6? 06:39 Well, I've got ludios in this game, so I guess I shoudl back out, donate my 60k gold, come back to ludios, pick up the rest... 06:39 yeah you'll get your ac back 06:41 it really sucks when he steals stuff (yeah i know it's much later on) but you don't want to rely on that stuff for magic resistance, especially these days... Wear the cloak or amulet of mr or whatever 06:42 (talking about after killing wizard) 06:43 GOtcha. Is there any safe slotless MR? 06:44 probably not... 06:44 These grey dragons are annoying. 06:45 They're somehow immune to magic missile, too. 06:48 MR 06:48 that's newish 06:48 i genocide them usually 06:49 I would geno them if I had some more scrolls. I soemthings think about writing htem, I think I will. Soon. 06:51 Yes, I'll do that. 06:51 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) genocided gray dragons, on T:52237 06:58 Yet another magic marker, this is a crazy game. 07:03 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) killed Croesus, on T:52503 07:03 Oh, yeah. That was Croesus. 07:04 It's never good when you get cocky. :( 07:05 -!- krm26 has joined #evilhack 07:09 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu), 7337 points, T:5896, killed by a white unicorn 07:14 Dang it, accidentially put EVERYTHING into the hesperides. Luckily, nothing caused an explodybag. 07:14 -!- mobileuser has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:15 Accidentally doing that without something to blow it up is just as heart stopping as when it actually does blow up 07:15 Indeed. 07:15 I think a nice qol improvement would be confirmation before putting "all" in a bag 07:15 help you not fat-finger it 07:16 One would hope. 07:17 48k gold in ludios. Nice. 07:17 that's a fair amount of esp 07:17 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 07:18 i wonder if i'll get all day today before ian kills me 07:19 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) had Secespita bestowed upon her by Moloch, on T:14362 07:28 Well, that was fun, due to repeated poly'ing, I got 7 tshirts from fort ludios. 07:28 One of which is: 07:29 A dragonhide Hawaiian shirt: The design features giant eels on a geometric background. 07:29 That's not a plastic shirt. 07:38 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:17204 07:38 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) genocided two random monsters from class L, on T:53965 07:39 damn. you got a dragonhide shirt from poly? dope 07:40 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu), 999 points, T:2882, killed by a gnoll 07:42 rebatela: Yeah, I was surprised. 07:42 rebatela: Another had an object property too! (Not dragonhide, though) 07:42 Just poison resistance if I recall, but even so. 07:45 yeah it's fun doing that on a whole pile of armor in ludios (even in vanilla you always get a shirt) 07:45 krm26: you on the gulf side i guess? 07:46 hope it's not too bad man 07:50 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) had a dagger entrusted to her by Moloch, on T:18469 07:51 Hmm, never been here, this is a new level for me. 07:53 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu), 201 points, T:517, killed by falling down a mine shaft 07:55 ah I was wondering who "ian" was. damn :-( 07:59 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) had a dagger entrusted to her by Moloch, on T:19948 08:02 Hmm, who's ian? I missed the reference entirely from krm... 08:02 hurricane 08:02 do y'all call them typhoons or something? 08:03 does australia really have a typhoon season? (genuinely don't know) 08:03 rebatela: Curiously enough I was asking about those today. In my language, all the whirley storms have the same sign, but it seems in english teh actual name depends on where they're formed. 08:03 https://apnews.com/article/hurricane-ian-live-updates-6302894797cae989ff855030cf332a97 08:04 aosdict: I'm not sure... Maybe in the more tropical parts of australia? 08:04 rebatela: Oh! 08:04 I thought he was referring to something in the game! 08:04 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 46014 points, T:21282, killed by a Grey-elf 08:07 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) killed the invisible Mephistopheles, on T:54822 08:07 He's difficult! 08:21 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu) became literate by engraving "Lilje", on T:3244 08:58 [hdf-eu] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law), 304 points, T:1286, killed by a stone orcish dagger 09:00 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 102 points, T:208, killed by a gas cloud 09:08 krm26 why are you still online 09:08 shouldn't you be in your space-age ultra bunker? 09:09 Ian is almost a cat 5 now 09:10 [hdf-eu] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law), 1237 points, T:2352, killed by a hill orc 09:16 So I got death'ed quite a bit by Mephisstopheles, and lost a lot of health - so I'm just a bit over 100 HP now. :( Any way to gain that back or am I limited ot potions or maybe careful nurse dancing later? 09:18 potions/level up/nurse dancing 09:19 brb 09:19 Already XP 25. 09:20 So I guess it's potions/nurses, then. 09:26 So, I found nurses... Stripped... 09:26 Then a random troll with a wand of death appeared. But luckily I seem to be able to resist it. 09:30 wearing the eyes of the overworld perhaps? 09:32 I was, yes, but that doesn't work against wands, does it? 09:33 Was also wearing lifesaving. 09:33 arahael the eyes also give MR 09:34 That protects against death? 09:34 yeah 09:35 Interesting. 09:42 Oh, I wonder if this is Orcus level already. 09:42 I should probably do proper nurse dancing well in advance... 09:42 Somewhere safe. 09:42 Antimatter vortex!? 09:43 @e?antimatter vortex 09:43 antimatter vortex (v) | Lvl: 15 | Diff: 20 | Spd: 18 | Res: fire cold sleep disintegrate shock poison petrification | Confers: nothing | MR: 30 | Generates: gehennom | AC: 0 | Attacks: 1d10 engulf disintegrate, 0d0 passive disintegrate | Alignment: 0 | Flags: genocidable, flies, breathless, mindless, unsolid, infravisible, passes-bars, vegan 09:44 Somehow, knowing that it is vegan doesn't give me comfort. 10:04 :) 10:06 [hdf-eu] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law), 5584 points, T:7059, killed by a steel crossbow bolt, while praying 10:31 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:6153 10:32 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:6505 10:49 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:8344 10:57 -!- mobileuser has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:58 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 11:25 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 11:51 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 11:53 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a werejackal, on T:10361 11:54 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 11:56 -!- cbus has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 11:57 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) tasted meat for the first time, by eating a floating eye corpse, on T:10645 11:58 -!- cbus has joined #evilhack 11:59 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:10897 12:14 -!- cbus has quit [Quit: restart] 12:14 -!- cbus has joined #evilhack 12:19 [hdf-eu] [evil] McPanther (Mon Gia Mal Cha), 2883 points, T:2365, killed by a mountain dwarf 12:57 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, acquiring a bag of holding, on T:14423 13:01 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had a pair of steel gauntlets entrusted to him by Huan Ti, on T:14778 13:05 so i have gollum's cave made, and gollum himself, and some of his behaviors 13:05 and the loot 13:06 just need to do the interaction bit 13:06 i'm open to suggestions 13:06 ah so you did all the easy parts and none of the hard parts :) 13:06 and now want to crowdsource the hard parts 13:07 what's the loot? 13:07 aosdict gets it 13:07 but seriously, suggestions as in 'waht do you want to see' 13:07 *what 13:07 not allowed to enter sokoban till you beat gollum? :^) 13:07 amateurhour, so far just a ring of invis named 'the one ring' 13:08 not allowed to solve puzzles till u have overcome the riddles 13:08 amateurhour, not allowed to level up until you beat gollum. figured i'd take it to the next level :) 13:08 elven armour on a corpse or something 13:09 the good stuff 13:09 that is interesting 13:09 i did make a chance for a pair of goggles to be present 13:12 the initial idea i had was this: player makes it into gollum's cave, gollum is nearby and approaches the player (not hostile) and asks them to answer a riddle. behavior is dependent on how the player answers 13:13 and the riddle could be random, pull a few from the story and make an array 13:15 this is what I have so far (rough) - https://termbin.com/3zey 13:28 [hdf-us] [evil] love2hack (Val Hum Fem Neu), 42665 points, T:20172, killed by a doppelganger imitating a red dragon 13:31 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) destroyed Arahael's ghost, the former Student of Stones, on T:17103 13:40 Need more riddles! There are lots of decent riddles of similar provenance to the ones in The Hobbit. 13:40 hell yeah 13:40 Gollum eats a piranha corpse (60 aum)! 13:40 heh 13:41 added some chatter/feedback - https://termbin.com/qsxu 13:41 sounds.c and wizard.c 13:42 Odin asked a bunch of riddles of Heidrik 13:43 Odin to Heidrik: "Bitch, pick a number!' 13:43 ummm.. 4? 13:43 *zap* 13:43 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Val Dwa Fem Law) was denied Excalibur! The Lady of the Lake has deemed her unworthy, on T:19939 13:43 What tears anything that falls into its toothless mouth into small pieces? If you put your fingers in its eyes, it will prick up its ears! 13:44 time 13:44 scissors 13:44 blue... no, green! aaaaahhhh 13:44 That is from the Qeys Kitaab 13:44 krm26 how's the weather? 13:45 did you evac or did you shelter in place? 13:45 i'm in place; in a breather right now, probably won't kill us until tonight 13:45 my wife took off for portland to circumcise some rays 13:46 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Val Dwa Fem Law) was denied Excalibur! The Lady of the Lake has deemed her unworthy, on T:19978 13:46 so i'm here with 1 arm, heavily doped, to deal with all the dogs and kids and parents and crap 13:46 "Who is this father who has twice six sons? These sons have thirty daughters apiece, particolored, having one cheek white and the other black. They never see each other’s face nor live more than twenty-four hours each." 13:46 1 arm? 13:46 foraminal narrowing in c4/5 has taken my left arm from me 13:46 sun and moon 13:46 the whole calendar -- 12 sons, blah blah 13:47 right that's what I said 13:47 calendar :P 13:47 are you getting your left arm back? 13:47 if any mri machines survive ian i'll know more in a week or so 13:48 i had the same problem with my right arm 3 years ago and it was nothing that a year of physical therapy couldn't fix :-P 13:48 ooof 13:48 unfortunately my undiagnosible not-arthritis is now preventing me from doing a lot of the physical therapy 13:49 but at least i can type so there is that 13:49 outsource the pt 13:49 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Val Dwa Fem Law), 62481 points, T:20306, suffocated by a gelatinous cube 13:49 just can;t do most manly man stuff 13:49 it will make clearing up the 3 cubic yards of tree debris i'm guaranteed to get a dream 13:50 [hdf-us] [evil] love2hack (Val Hum Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (locusts), on T:945 13:50 you gotta put in "Why is a raven like a writing desk?" 13:58 heh 13:59 what answer would be accepted to that one krm26 14:02 [hdf-us] [evil] love2hack (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:1955 14:02 i know this doesnt follow exactly how it goes in the story, but that's ok 14:03 not OK 14:03 OK 14:04 get the player to write a riddle. add one GPT-3 instance that comes up with an answer, another AI that evaluates whether the answer is acceptable/correct 14:04 ... done 14:04 did it all, just now 14:04 if the answer is not correct golem eats the player unless the player has invisibility 14:05 we'd need to invent pockets 14:07 even just checking riddle answers sounds quite hard actually, seems tough to do without people "failing" for variations like "a whale" instead of "whales" or "sun and moon" instead of "the moon and the sun" 14:08 could stick to answers that are just one word 14:08 https://lotr.fandom.com/wiki/Riddles_in_the_Dark_(chapter)#Riddles 14:09 which is most of them 14:09 i don't know if that solves the problem, e.g. "mountain" people could answer "a mountain", "mountains", "a hill", "a mountain peak", etc 14:10 i guess if you explicitly say "the answer must be one word" it cuts down on possibilities to some extent... 14:10 but that might feel kind of lame 14:11 i'm not even sure how to implement the riddles exactly and have it check for right/wrong answer 14:11 prob do some stuff in quest code 14:13 "a box without hinges, key or lid, yet golden treasure inside is hid" answer: a gold bar encased in cement 14:14 qt: That is a famous riddle from Alice in Wonderland. It has no answer. Thanks, Mad Hatter! 14:15 i know, that's why I asked what answer should be accepted :) 14:15 just have the game suspend until k2 can check the answer by hand 14:16 hah 14:16 send every curent player a mailer daemon with the answer and have them vote on its correctness 14:16 have the player draw ascii art of the answer 14:16 * K2 imagine krm26 would prob just send in dick pics 14:16 i think i remember telling you last year that a game of mine had riddles in it 14:17 "a box without hinges, key or lid, yet golden treasure inside is hid" answer: my stomach (i have pica and compulsively swallow gold coins) 14:17 it used a list, selected a riddle and it was gone once successfully answered -- i had to keep replenishing it 14:17 but it was a condition that was almost never encountered, i think i only went through 7 riddles 14:17 yes 14:17 krm26: meaning once one person answered it, nobody else would ever get the same riddle? 14:17 yup 14:17 how did you evaluate the correctness of the answer? 14:18 a 7 person committee was formed 14:18 we had some cool nlp built into the tutor environment which i used, 14:18 who would meet bi-weekly 14:18 and the player could contest, which sent me mail and had me resolve it 14:18 cool 14:18 (everyone who got it wrong contested, 100%) 14:19 this was before google answered everything to, in the early 90s 14:19 heh 14:19 and of course since probably only 100 people every played the game, the riddle stash wasn't that hard to manage 14:19 have a menu with multiple choice so repeat players don't hate the riddle mechanic like how they begrudgingly do sokoban 14:19 :) 14:20 honestly i never thought anybody would get to the riddles. gamer are persistent 14:20 yeah multiple choice would be one way to do it but it feels kind of lame i guess 14:20 the riddle needs to be timed to prevent googling! you've got TEN SECONDS 14:20 hah 14:20 probably that's the most feasible way to do it and not have false negatives though 14:21 if players needed to use the google to find the naswer to the riddles, thats fine 14:21 present the same riddle, run through google translate between 3 and 10 times, and the correct answer is the number of times it was run through 14:21 exposes them to Tolkien's works 14:21 after the novelty has worn off I'd rather just walk in, press a button to pick the memorised answer, and get the loot 14:21 rather than having to be sure not to typo or whatever 14:21 or just forego riddles altogether 14:21 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:861 14:21 fuck it, go find the ring, rpofit 14:22 *profit 14:22 hardfought could keep track of which riddles which user accounts have answered and stop riddling after each one is answered correctly 14:22 you've seen new lokoban right? :) 14:22 yeah 14:22 its kinda dumb imo 14:22 lokoban? 14:22 it's a funny middle finger to sokoban 14:22 sokoban is so great 14:22 in notdnethack instead of sokoban there's a pinata 14:22 walk up stairs, push one crate a few tile spaces, whack on a purple h until it explodes. wooopty doo 14:22 sokoban but you have to drink a 4loko whenever you break the rules 14:22 no K2 that's you doing it wrong 14:23 sokoban is a polished pearl of excellence 14:23 idk if you're reading my messages when I describe how to do it properly 14:23 i saw but i wasnt equipped at the time to do it the other way 14:23 so I'll repost it: if you blind yourself, get confused, and whack the pinata, it explodes with the loot 14:23 i enjoy sokoban, i like the additional puzzles in evilhack 14:23 the only levels in evilhack that need attention are the whole gehonnom sequence (unless you count ludios not always appearing whichi dsfkjkjgfgfdgFD) 14:24 it was fun to try to figure those out the first time without using spoilers 14:24 I did a whole slex ascension with sokosolver hybrid race, I like sokoban too, but having to do it every game isn't hugely popular 14:24 oh, and some of the vanilla quest stuff 14:24 krm26, asc run is about to be more interesting 14:25 i haz teh idea 14:26 sokoban isn't mandatory 14:26 hmm... yeah i think i'll skip the riddles bit 14:26 feels like it because the rewards are so beneficial 14:26 yeah i know you're focusing on the ascension, i'm excited 14:27 amateurhour sucked the life out of it by making me run thru future scenarios :) 14:27 [hdf-us] [evil] love2hack (Val Hum Fem Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:4040 14:27 like going to minetown, that's optional, don't need it to ascend - not gonna skip it though 14:27 krm26 yeah i think it'll be fun, and much less tedious than current 14:28 i was kinda aiming for a non druid/drow release in october, but with everything i want to do, before xmas is more realistic 14:28 gollum cave/underwater adventure side branch/asc run revamp 14:29 nothing will get done in november because i'll be dying in tnnt 14:30 if i survive ian that's about when i'll start playing again 14:30 nah you won't be dying as much this year as you've made it so the US can steal EU's good swap chest items 14:30 :) 14:31 krm26 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2edI8Gu6k8&t=34s 14:32 lol amateurhour 14:32 you mean the other way around 14:32 or more correctly, AU players will pillage us both 14:32 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 1523 points, T:1327, killed by a flint stone 14:32 the great US swapchest heist will get off with the great haul of 2 scrolls of create monster 14:33 heh 14:33 iirc last year the AU swapchest was just Tangles stuffing the bejesus out of it with good items 14:34 AU players were so hungry for more people to participate in the swapchest, they could have eaten the arse out of a low-flying duck 14:34 you've been dying to use that phrase havent you 14:35 no it just happened to be the perfect phrase to use and fit completely naturally into the conversation 14:35 :) 14:40 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had a cloak of protection entrusted to him by Huan Ti, on T:18813 14:53 the swap chest needs to be cross-version this year 14:53 for the next variant tournament 14:54 plenty of time 14:55 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 104176 points, T:20541, quit 15:16 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:18 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 15:18 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:19 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 15:40 krm26 - https://www.reddit.com/r/nethack/comments/xozkud/tnnt_2022_news/ 15:47 it is already, K2 did this so he can personally steal everything I put in the chest for the benefit of the wider community 15:47 he even messaged me as the work on it started, saying "nyeh nyeh" 15:49 i did no such thing (hahah yeah i did) 16:09 amateurhour: I always put try to put actually good items into the swap chest 16:10 items that I can imagine finding useful in most games 16:11 though that does sometimes include unicorn horns, which I've heard people complain about before, if there aren't any in the swap chest. since i often need one in mines end. so maybe i am part of the problem 16:17 nah the real reason it sucked so much a couple of years ago is there was a lot of speedrunning going on in the US server 16:17 swap swap 16:17 some really impressive runs, it just meant that a lot of fast games took from the chest in mines end asap 16:21 so the first mini-blow has gone through orlando mostly and it looks like i only have about 400 linear feet of down branches and maybe 15 palm fronds. got a couple of hours until actual trees start flying around my yard 16:31 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu), 7536 points, T:7050, killed by a warg 16:37 [hdf-eu] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:10944 17:25 [hdf-eu] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law) had a spear entrusted to him by Quetzalcoatl, on T:14665 17:31 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 17:50 do you have storm shutters krm26? 18:06 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping a dagger on an altar, on T:4655 18:17 -!- amateurhour has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:23 [hdf-us] [evil] love2hack (Val Hum Fem Neu) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Odin, on T:8779 18:24 [hdf-us] [evil] love2hack (Val Hum Fem Neu) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:8887 18:46 [hdf-us] [evil] love2hack (Val Hum Fem Neu), 11381 points, T:9061, killed by a human priest of Odin 19:04 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Bar Hum Mal Cha), 5357 points, T:4718, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted owlbear 19:09 [hdf-us] [evil] love2hack (Val Hum Fem Neu), 674 points, T:1258, killed by a giant bat 19:20 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Bar Hum Mal Cha), 331 points, T:385, killed by falling down a mine shaft 19:58 omigod someone named their kid kal-el tuck 19:59 backscroll: I try to put good stuff in swap chest as well... Even something simple a holy water or unholy water in case someone doesn't have an altar or whatever. that's saved me a few times when others have done it 20:00 [hdf-us] [evil] love2hack (Val Hum Fem Neu), 225 points, T:579, killed by a goblin 20:00 how is the hurricane krm26 20:00 someone tried to break into my house a couple hours ago. kinda freaked out 20:00 on pause right now, should start crushing me again in a few hours 20:00 no way! 20:01 while you were home? 20:01 this dude was so messed up on something and then when he couldn't get in (doors were bolted) he goes in to the street looking at other houses. no shirt on. all tweaked out on something 20:01 yes I was home 20:01 i know who he is. lives a couple streets over. 20:01 jeez, sounds like florida 20:01 not a friend though 20:01 haha 20:01 seriously (no offense) 20:01 oh this state is a total shithole 20:02 you are the most reasonable floridian haha 20:02 i'm here under duress -- wife's fantastic job 20:02 k2: i'm sorry for whining last night. I am going through a lot of shit. I promise to stop 20:02 i'd be a super crazy lefto socialist in new york, let alone florida 20:02 krm26: ahh 20:02 hehe 20:02 ready to move to finland when wife retires 20:02 i'm extremely progressive as well, but I live in MA... 20:02 oh nice 20:03 what's it like getting a visa to finland? 20:03 would you be working ther? 20:03 or are you retired? 20:05 rebatela: that's scary about the guy breaking in! 20:05 if you know the guy, is he always like that? or is this unusual for him? 20:06 i'm semi-retired, i work when one of my friends forces me to or when the stupid government makes me 20:09 [hdf-us] [evil] love2hack (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:1184 20:12 why does the government force you to work? 20:12 were you the best hacker the NSA ever had, and they still call you in for especially difficult missions 20:14 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Bar Hum Mal Neu), 7005 points, T:3503, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted flind 20:14 "I know you're retired, but damn it man, no one else has the leet skillz you do. We need you on this one. We need to crack all the kids' Fortnite accounts to read their private messages. Nobody but you can do it" 20:15 K2: Another option could be to stop limiting the number of items you can put in to 3 as long as they meet a certain minimum cost in a general store (as a check against crap), and as long as swapchest is empty compared to the international peers. 20:15 K2: If you like, you could add a message when this happens: "Wow, the pearwood is hungry today!" 20:16 rebatela thanks 20:16 krm26 glad you're still alive 20:17 K2: if this is even him. It could be a hurricane impersonating him 20:17 arahael I dont see us making anymore significant changes code-wise to the swapchest 20:17 never say never tho 20:17 qt hmm true... 20:18 K2: Yeah, fair - it's impressive as it is that there's now some sharing as I understand it! 20:18 arahael did you see the latest reddit about tnnt? 20:18 Being able to put in as many swapchest items as you want, as long as they are good enough and the swapchest isn't too full, seems like it could enable tryhard clans to create a dedicated swapchest mule account that collects items and and just dumps them in as needed 20:19 https://redd.it/xozkud 20:19 what qt said 20:19 if there's a way to abuse it, someone will 20:20 clans already try to time when objects go in 20:21 side topic - i'm foregoing the riddle idea for gollum's cave 20:21 probably for the best 20:21 though it was a fun idea 20:21 the extra level is just more for story flavor anyways 20:21 how can you have gtown without the chance of falling down a shaft into gollums cave? 20:22 K2: I don't generally watch reddit. 20:22 Thanks. 20:22 qt yeah it was fun to discuss it 20:22 K2: what do you mean? 20:22 you want to make it impossible for holes to generate in goblin town? 20:22 qt: Point. 20:22 no that's not what i meant 20:22 qt: yeah he's a maniac. junkie. he had no shirt and was ALL messed up on something. tweaking seemed like meth maybe 20:23 he used to ring my doorbell at 3am to ask for a cigarette.. . and he's not my friend. 20:23 qt have a look at what I have so far - https://termbin.com/kbrn 20:23 But this time my girl's car wasn't in the driveway (beemer x5) so he thought no one was home I imagine and she has nice hand bags and jewelry etc. (to pawn) 20:24 so he didn't ring the bell just tugged at the door but it was bolted, and yeah i was home 20:24 he cut through my yard and was in my driveway after i heard him trying to get in 20:24 rebatela when i lived in OKC, this crackhead couple used to live directly above my apt. a couple times one or both would knock on my door asking for $$$ 20:24 not a cop caller, but i had to 20:24 also warned all my neighbors and people walking by with dogs etc 20:24 once the girl came down and offered to blow me for 10 buck shah 20:24 rebatela: In Australia!? 20:24 lol 20:24 you're in australia not me 20:25 rebatela: for some reason I also had the impression you were in australia or some other country than america 20:25 Heh, yeah, somehow I had you placed in australia somewhere. :) 20:25 imagine your typical meth head with the messed up teeth and face and sores/zits everywhere, that was them 20:25 im just outside boston but suburbs. nice neighborhood. quiet. 20:25 this dude is just a junkie 20:25 qt: well i play on eu a lot maybe that's why 20:25 qt: yeah i did some work for some weird alphabet people and i sometimes have to do more work for them or they glare at me 20:25 rebatela is in boston, which was annexed by australia 20:25 sometimes I get to a point on US server and I feel like starting a new game, but not quitting 20:26 lol k2 20:26 yeah that's probably it rebatela, seeing you on -eu sometimes 20:26 qt you remember how bilbo encountered gollum in 'the hobbit' yeah? 20:27 yeah basically, though i'm sure i'd get some details wrong if given a detailed quiz 20:27 bilbo and company are captured by the goblins, bilbo slips away and falls down a deep shaft and winds up in the cave where gollum lives 20:28 (in goblin town) 20:28 oh I didn't remember he fell down a deep shaft, I thought he just walked down a tunnel or something 20:28 if i recall, he lost sting, found it, tried to reclaim it and that's when he fell 20:29 so, in evilhack gtown, the only way to make it to gollums cave is via a trap door/hole 20:29 there are hidden stairs in gollums cave which will bring you back to where the portal is in gtown 20:30 hmm 20:30 i just re-read it and i can't tell if he's supposed to fall down a shaft 20:30 you cant dig down, conditions are the same as on castle level 20:31 https://lotr.fandom.com/wiki/Gollum%27s_cave#History 20:31 it sounds to me like he's being carried by one of the dwarves, falls off his back onto the tunnel floor, then walks down a downward-sloping tunnel until he hits the underground lake 20:32 perhaps. i'd have to re-read that chapter for the details 20:32 it does say he "falls" but i think it's just supposed to be that he falls from the dwarf's arms onto the floor and hits his head? it could be a longer fall than that though, maybe 20:32 but, it cant be recreated exactly like the story 20:32 i think in the movie he falls down a shaft 20:32 i'm allowed some creative license :) 20:33 yeah either way I am not criticizing your trap door 20:33 i just was curious about it 20:33 not what I heard. i heard you were bad-mouthing my trap door beind my back 20:33 ... oh god that sounds dirty 20:33 ewww 20:34 hahaha 20:34 lol 20:34 Bilbo thought it was dirty too. 20:34 how does having your trap door bad-mouthed feel? 20:34 no not replying 20:34 the trap door behind your back: https://0x0.st/o4md.jpg 20:34 i'll make this worse 20:35 Risky click. 20:35 do it 20:35 i want long johns like that 20:35 I did. 20:35 wife says no 20:35 i wouldn't post anything pornographic 20:35 not here at least 20:36 heh 20:36 qt: One must never assume, on the internet! 20:36 i did post that tacky tie in the team splat channel 20:36 the nudie tie 20:36 but that's about as far as i would ever go 20:37 or so i believe, i'm not making any promises. you should always have an undercurrent of fear and doubt in your mind before clicking a link i post 20:37 qt: Excitement and anticipation. 20:37 so, K2, what is the issue with the trap door? 20:38 oh 20:38 you were just saying "of course there must be a shaft that goes into the cave" 20:38 not "how is it possible to remove the chance of falling down a shaft?" 20:45 yes 20:45 i get it now 20:46 \o/ 20:46 i was really confused at first when you were talking about how you want a trap door to drop you there 20:47 sorry 20:47 maybe i didnt explain myself correctly 20:47 no i just misread it 20:56 brb 21:04 mmm water coming in just two of my windows 21:04 do you have hurricane shutters? 21:06 no, we're in orlando, that is a coastal thing 21:07 i assume this is a stucco problem and the angle and volume of the rain don't usually exploit it 21:07 some hairline cracks that seep water down to the top of the window and inside 21:07 irritating as crap, one of the windows is in a mahogany built-in i just finished making 21:09 makes sense, they are common in new orleans but I didn't know about Florida 21:09 that's unfortunate, the mahogany thing is one of the windows that's leaking? 21:11 yeah, a bench and bookcase built right around it 21:11 just means i gotta keep the towels going 21:15 krm26: There's no chemical-based solutions for that? I know in australia sometimes a salinity issue where the salt water is creaping up through the bricks from the water table where there's an improper seal can sometimes be somewhat treated by drilling holes in the brick and injecting some sort of solution that permeats the bricks. 21:17 it's a hurricane that's happening right now, probably stores aren't open even if there is some sealing agent that would help 21:18 and you'd have to go out in a hurricane to get to one anyway, probably dangerous 21:18 no, the stucco is not actually a waterproof barrier, intentionally, but it shouldn't be letting through a ton of moisture, and the window flashing should handle it. either the window flashing is bad or the stucco is bad or both 21:18 yeah you risk instadeath to go outside right now, one of the wood-hard palm fruit sheaths from a 30 foot palm would go right through you. or a 4" spear of bamboo -- i've had some driven 4 feet into the ground 21:19 and that was just from a storm, not even a real hurricane 21:19 Sounds crazy. 21:19 we're on the edge of 80 knot winds right now...hopefully will drop down to more like 50 before it is right on top of us 21:19 You should be in australia. 21:19 Everything is safe here! 21:20 when i was in australia a male wombat expressed its scent glands in my face, a wombat bit me, and i had to eat warm spam for a week 21:20 admittedly that was a long time ago 21:21 jeez 42 years 21:21 back when you could still climb ayers rock, and ayers rock was still ayers rock 21:21 krm26: An important question is... How the hell did you get into that particular situation? :) 21:21 the koala was an artifact of bad field collection technique 21:22 the wombat was an artifact of doing things at night that should only be done during the day 21:22 and the spam was because the f'ing scouts in australia suuuuuuuuuccck 21:23 spam is a valued meat in most of the neighbouring countries. 21:23 Like, they actually like it. 21:23 Regarded as healthy. 21:23 spam you cook is very different than spam you eat on wonderbread out of a tin stored at 95 degrees 21:23 covered with the requisite outback flies 21:23 Believe me, it comes out the tin there too. 21:23 a thick buzzing layer, mmmm 21:24 Extra protien! 21:24 i'd trade this hurricane for a fly sandwich 21:24 i keep hoping climate change is gonna drive them all further north 21:25 honestly been down here since 2010 and this is only the third big blow we've had, and far and away the worst 21:26 arahael i thought you lived in Boston?!? 21:26 oh whoops thats me 21:27 rebatela: Easy mistake, I've done that before! 21:28 cop just came to talk to me and take a report. 5 fucking hours later 21:28 of course they didn't find the guy even though we ALL know where he lives. uhhh go to his fucking house? 21:28 and they didn't 21:28 my girl wants to go to hotel 21:28 5 hour response? that would be amazingly good in orange county fl 21:29 I'm like he's not coming back at night when we're home... people break into houses in the day when they think you're NOT home 21:29 you need one of my dogs 21:29 what dogs do you have krm26? 21:30 hehe we have one but hes old.. barks at the mailman and shit, but he's a golden retriever and if someone broke in after the barking he'd let them pat him forever lol 21:30 two nutso pit mixes (had to take them, were my wife's father's, alzheimers). so badly trained. so, so badly 21:31 oh man 21:32 he was letting them poop and pee all over his house (alzheimers), with one of them it has been an impossible-to-break habit 21:32 at least my house is 100% tile and wood 21:32 and the hurricane flooding should clean everything up nice too 21:39 lol 21:49 -!- Tangles has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:53 -!- krm26 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:04 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:9639 22:26 arahael this is why your greater pegasus had less max hp than when it was just a regular pegasus - https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Nutrition#Nutrition_and_pets 22:26 2nd paragraph 22:27 I see it, but it wasn't confused. It was confused many, many turns earlier when I gave it a carrot, but the symptoms left. I never thought to check HP. 22:28 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu), 15823 points, T:11403, killed by a dwarven watchman 22:28 Now I know about this so I can check for it next time, but it was not obvious. 22:28 I don't even recall seeing a "you feel worried for your steed" message before it just suddenly died. 22:47 arahael: I don't think you get the "you feel worried" message if you can see the pet 22:47 I see. 22:47 iirc it's something like "so-and-so is confused from starvation" if you can see it, and the vaguer "worried" if you can't 22:47 "confused from hunger" actually 22:48 As far as I'm concerned, it basically just suddenly collapsed, after the HP was, curiously, low. 22:48 oh, or it may make a noise (like a yip or whinny) if it's nearby but you can't see it (bc blindfolded or something) 22:48 that sounds easy to miss 22:49 qt do you happen to know where in the code it determines how fast a monster eats something (non-pet) 22:49 I never realised that those sounds had meaning. 22:50 how fast a non-pet eats something? 22:51 yes 22:51 i think its based off of the objects weight 22:51 do non pets eat things at all? 22:51 not finding it through 22:51 yes 22:51 i guess metallivores 22:51 I didn't realise non-pets eat at all. 22:51 xorns, gelcubes, rust monsters 22:51 non pets don't eat normal food though afaik 22:51 There's a nymph that has not eaten for more than 20,000 turns I think. 22:52 and in evilhack, honey badgers 22:52 In my game. 22:52 rock moles 22:52 K2: Those eat as a specific feature, though, I thought we were talking about casual eating. 22:52 k2 are you sure it even takes time 22:52 positive 22:53 i made a thing for gollum to eat goblin and piranha corpses, and he takes forever to eat them 22:53 honey badger will eat a lump of royal jelly in no time, but its weight is 2 aum 22:53 whereas a goblin corpse is 200 aum 22:54 there isn't one place for it because all the "eating" done by non pets is special cased 22:54 right 22:54 there will be something that sets mtmp->meating in meatmetal 22:54 probably the same thing in meatobj 22:54 hmm lemme look again 22:54 i must have missed that 22:55 mon.c:1510 for metal object 22:55 i see it 22:55 not in meatobj at all because it's not actually eating anything i guess 22:56 right 22:56 that's gelcube engulfing 22:56 ok this makes sense now 22:56 how'd i miss that i was looking there before asking 22:56 idk it took me a minute to remember it's called 'meating', it's not obvious that means "this is how long it will take before the guy can move again" or whatever 22:57 Purple worms eat corpses in latest 3.7 that I recall 23:00 that doesn't take any time apparently 23:01 just getting gollum stuff dialed in 23:01 will probably commit tomorrow, think i'll go to bed early tonight for a change 23:01 earlyish 23:03 gnite o/ 23:14 -!- rebatela has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:18 night