00:26 -!- hackemslashem has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:26 [hdf-us] [evil] CaptSplat (Tou Hum Fem Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping a sling on an altar, on T:3347 01:38 [hdf-us] [evil] love2hack (Val Hum Fem Neu), 247092 points, T:30985, poisoned by a locust, while paralyzed by a monster 01:55 [hdf-us] [evil] willisllama (Wiz Elf Mal Neu), 139 points, T:1366, killed by a large kobold 02:40 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 03:07 [hdf-us] [evil] willisllama (Wiz Elf Mal Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:1112 03:09 [hdf-us] [evil] willisllama (Wiz Elf Mal Neu), 196 points, T:1420, killed by a stone orcish dagger 03:30 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 03:41 -!- hackemslashem has joined #evilhack 03:51 [hdf-us] [evil] willisllama (Wiz Elf Mal Neu), 694 points, T:1438, killed by an orcish dagger 04:26 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 05:02 [hdf-us] [evil] willisllama (Mon Trt Mal Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:452 05:09 [hdf-us] [evil] willisllama (Mon Trt Mal Neu) made his first wish - "magic marker", on T:457 05:29 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:30 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 06:18 [hdf-us] [evil] willisllama (Mon Trt Mal Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:4205 06:25 [hdf-us] [evil] lgxia (Rog Hum Mal Neu), 1088 points, T:2391, killed by a wand 07:19 -!- amateurhour has joined #evilhack 07:21 [hdf-us] [evil] willisllama (Mon Trt Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, acquiring a silver amulet of magic resistance, on T:10168 07:21 -!- krm26__ has joined #evilhack 07:24 -!- krm26_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 07:31 -!- VaderFLAG has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:36 [hdf-eu] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:5720 07:48 [hdf-us] [evil] willisllama (Mon Trt Mal Neu) had 18 shuriken entrusted to him by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:11478 07:49 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 07:50 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 07:51 -!- mobileuser has quit [Client Quit] 07:51 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 07:51 -!- hackemslashem has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 08:07 -!- amateurhour has quit [Quit: leaving] 08:18 [hdf-us] [evil] willisllama (Mon Trt Mal Neu), 83980 points, T:13770, killed by a chameleon imitating a giant centipede 08:20 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 08:22 [hdf-eu] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) had a dented pot entrusted to him by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:7788 08:32 [hdf-eu] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, acquiring an amulet of magic resistance, on T:8572 08:38 -!- hackemslashem has joined #evilhack 08:57 [hdf-eu] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) performed his first genocide (gelatinous cubes), on T:10880 09:15 -!- hackemslashem has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:25 [hdf-eu] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) had Ogresmasher bestowed upon him by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:14764 09:27 [hdf-eu] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) had 18 shuriken entrusted to him by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:15497 09:35 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 10:47 [hdf-us] [evil] love2hack (Val Hum Fem Neu) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Odin, on T:3255 10:50 [hdf-us] [evil] love2hack (Val Hum Fem Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a gremlin, on T:3451 10:54 [hdf-us] [evil] love2hack (Val Hum Fem Neu), 4842 points, T:3564, zombified by a dwarf zombie 11:49 [hdf-us] [evil] love2hack (Val Hum Fem Neu), 659 points, T:1037, killed by a bugbear 12:52 -!- Umbire has quit [Quit: Umbire zaps a wand of digging!] 13:09 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Inf Orc Mal Una) completed Sokoban, acquiring a gold amulet of magic resistance, on T:12615 13:18 goddamit all the way down to medusa ( i dug down not knowing i was at bottom and ended up next to titan) and STILL no container 13:18 are there less NPCs now or something? Haven't seen one 13:19 Did someone complain? Too many ways for people to get a sack! make them rare! 13:19 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Inf Orc Mal Una) used a helm to turn lawful, on T:13770 13:40 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Inf Orc Mal Una) polymorphed his first object, on T:15365 13:40 just RNG rebatela 13:43 yeah? 13:43 !rng rebatela 13:43 qt: !rng thomas richard harold ; !rng do dishes|play nethack ; !rng 1-100 13:43 didn't seem to help, mobileuser 13:43 my dishes are done 13:43 i have a dog now 13:44 licks the plates clean 13:45 [hdf-us] [evil] love2hack (Val Hum Fem Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a wererat, on T:5343 13:45 i just get annoyed when people who ascend all the time whine to k2 about strategies/try to make the game harder for others. make your own fucking game. it's supposed to be us against HIM lol 13:47 [hdf-us] [evil] love2hack (Val Hum Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (locusts), on T:5349 13:50 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 14:09 [hdf-us] [evil] Bartlem (Inf Hum Mal Una), 481 points, T:1046, killed by a boulder 14:15 in this instance you're yelling at clouds rebatela ;-) 14:16 [hdf-us] [evil] love2hack (Val Hum Fem Neu), 8074 points, T:6797, killed by a giant mimic, while praying 14:17 [hdf-us] [evil] love2hack (Val Hum Fem Neu) murdered Sugar, her faithful kitten, on T:62 14:19 no waay 14:20 npc's used to have tons of loot. someone cried. now they carry garbage 14:20 maaybe it's rng that i havven''tt seen a single one 14:21 [hdf-us] [evil] Bartlem (Inf Ith Mal Una), 689 points, T:812, killed by a magic missile 14:22 but it's not crazy for me to assume it's more of the same bs from the same people (not you obv) who don't want others to ascend for some crazy reasonn... I can ascend on my own. I don't need NPCs... I don't even wear armor or use weapons. I just don't like some of the stuff that goes on. I never complain about the game being too easy or give tips to k2 about how to make it harder to nerf other people's stragies. that's lame AF imo 14:22 * rebatela yells at clouds 14:23 am I missing something? 14:23 oh. no. I'm back that's all lol 14:24 fyi npc's wont have asc level gear unless they (meaning you) are exp level 20 or higher 14:24 krm26's suggeestion? 14:24 its always been that way 14:24 i don't want ascension gear 14:24 i want a sack 14:24 ok 14:24 they all have some type of portable container 14:25 well, they are non-existant in my game. just wondering if something had changed 14:25 i guess it is just rng... 14:26 what level are you? 14:26 and they used to have all sorts stuff (not just magical armor, I mean just regular loot) and it was scaled back . it hasn't always been that way 14:26 30 14:26 j/k 14:26 -!- elenmirie has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:26 i'm just gonna carry a box around 14:27 [hdf-us] [evil] Bartlem (Inf Hum Mal Una), 673 points, T:918, killed by a kitten 14:28 seriously, what level are you 14:29 i'm not playing but 12 i think 14:29 and as far as having asc lvl gear by level 20, yes its always been that way 14:29 there's an off-chance they can spawn with asc level gear between exp levels 10-19 but its rare 14:29 I'M NOT LOOKING FOR magic gear!!! 14:29 i just want a bag 14:30 yes i'm explaining that 14:30 i'm not complaining about the game. i love the game 14:30 my gripe is when people who are really good go "k2 you should really change this it makes it too easy for bla bla bla" and then you do it 14:30 (and you have0 14:30 ) 14:31 not always 14:31 and not always the way they want 14:31 and sometimes it is just some strategy the person doesn't use and others do and for some reason they want to be the only one who wins 14:31 i listen to every credible suggestion tho 14:31 i hear ya 14:32 and i'm putting myself in your shoes. I would too 14:32 src/makemon.c starting at line 941 14:32 how many people have ascended the game, like 10? 20? i don't see why anyone would be worried about the "competition"... YOU should be the competition. It's the equivalent of a stool pigeon 14:33 if (mtmp->m_lev > 10) { 14:33 ./* spawn with some type of portable container */ 14:33 (void) mongets(mtmp, !rn2(5) ? SACK 14:33 : rn2(4) ? OILSKIN_SACK 14:33 : rn2(7) ? BAG_OF_HOLDING 14:33 : BAG_OF_TRICKS); 14:33 i dont see it as a competition 14:33 also, you're just having bad rng luck 14:34 nethack has always been player vs. dev team... not players looking at what others do and crying about it 14:34 20% chance of spawning with a bag of some sort 14:34 yeah i have realized that 14:34 i haven't SEEN an NPC yet so i was just wondering if the spawning had changed since i've played. that's all 14:34 just bad luck 14:35 just didn't know if you made it so you only see them when you have the amulet or something because normally i'd have faced at least one by now 14:35 while you can make arguments about evilhack being players vs dev team, nethack in general certainly isn't 14:36 oh, i've always looked at it that way 14:36 people figure out strategies and the dev team nerfs them... 14:36 xnh goes the other way and makes it even easier 14:37 the 'strategies' you're referring to are typically bugs/exploits that were found and the dev's fixing those bugs/loopholes 14:38 dont confuse nethack devteam with amy 14:38 lol 14:38 excuse me? xnh makes it easier? you must be forgetting how wishing for enchantment on dragon scales was quietly supported until people blabbed about it on irc and then got removed right away 14:39 how long have you been playing? you really are denying there isn't some back and forth between the players and the developers? that's part of the game imo 14:39 i mean pudding farming etc. ? 14:39 not a war between them 14:39 yeah - for most of nethack's history, there was no communication between the players and the developers 14:39 yeah it's an exploit. call it what you will, but 14:40 you communicate with ascensions 14:40 the past six years are abnormal compared to the preceding thirty 14:40 agreed 14:40 i'm talking about the preceding thirty 14:40 digging through shops etc etc 14:40 aosdict: no communication goes too far, the git log is full of " emailed about this" 14:40 for most of that thirty years there weren't public servers and the devteam had no idea about ascensions except through rgrn YAAPs 14:41 and some of them do play ya know 14:41 a lot of changes come from direct experience 14:41 yeah no shit... 14:42 i doubt the devteam is really looking at ascensions even now that there are public servers 14:42 nao is far from new lol... 14:42 i remember ftp ing spoilers in the early 90s and knowing there was a public server to telnet to 14:42 i dont see the devteam going 'hmm how can I make sure players dont ascend as often?' - except for bhaak 14:42 there's your thirty 30 years 14:42 (im 43) 14:43 well, that's how it used to be... It's supposed to be hard (unless it's xnh) 14:43 how bout we switch gears 14:43 that's why i love evil.. i'm not even complaining. just wondering if things had changed with the NPC generation 14:43 and discuss something else 14:43 for all i know you got rid of them 14:44 no i want to hear rebatela complain about everything 14:44 rebatela - https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/blob/master/doc/evilhack-changelog.md 14:44 i'm not complaining about anything! There's a single thing I complained about vaguely 14:44 and i guess i'm wrong 14:45 if there were any changes to it'd be in that doc 14:45 -!- hackemslashem has joined #evilhack 14:45 fair enough 14:50 -!- amateurhour has joined #evilhack 14:52 amateurhour how did d7d go last night? 14:52 d&d 14:52 drinking with 7 dudes 14:52 or dames... 14:52 :) 14:53 we have a homebrew rule where you can get up from being downed mid fight if magically healed but it adds 1 level of exhaustion 14:53 [hdf-us] [evil] love2hack (Val Hum Mal Neu), 1737 points, T:3547, killed by the Goblin King 14:53 and because my monk is the only '''tanker''' in the party (lol) I've gone down a lot 14:54 'dude, I'm beat' 14:54 so I'm on like 4 exhaustion levels 14:54 which is really bad 14:54 ask the DM for a good nights sleep 14:54 a good night's sleep removes 1 level of exhaustion 14:54 ask the DM for a vacation in the bahama's 14:55 -s 14:55 4 levels is disadvantage on ability checks, halved speed, disadvantage on attack rolls and saving throws, and hp max halved 14:55 holy crap 14:55 5 is speed reduced to 0, and 6 is death 14:56 ow 14:56 imagine exhaustion levels in nethack 14:57 when will there be a variant brave enough to add it 14:57 every time you get live saved, boom one extra level of exhaustion 14:58 Maybe... drain life too? 14:58 level 1 exhaustion - strong desire to lay down for extended periods of time, eating directly from a bag of cheetos and binge-watching 'buffy the vampire slayer' 14:59 Ah s/cheetos/pork scratchings/ and how's that different from normal? 14:59 I gotta rewatch some for inspiration for the undead slayer :D 14:59 was about to say 14:59 i just finished binge-watching season 5 of cobra kai. it's gotten silly 14:59 Last time I saw that was... 2005ish? 14:59 they need to stop 15:00 moving on to season 10 of the great british bake off 15:00 but its no longer the entire season at once (netflix) 15:00 they finally switched to dolling out one episode a week 15:01 Gotta keep up the suspense right? 15:01 i know right? 15:01 bingehack! 15:02 lol 15:02 I've been busy past few days pruning apple trees and patching the vampire race from Unnethack, I'm not sure which was harder 15:03 Have you figured out drows yet K2? 15:03 no i havent gone there yet 15:04 i think that will be for version after the one i am working on now 15:05 i want to get the underwater branch knocked out, plus spruce up goblin town/sanctum/asc run back up 15:05 [hdf-us] [evil] love2hack (Val Hum Fem Neu), 357 points, T:1114, killed by a manes 15:05 nice 15:07 I gotta say, patching between variants is tricky. My vampires are like 65% functional, and I roughly patched commit I could find in un. 15:07 *every commit 15:07 i dont think vampire race works 100% bug free in any variant 15:07 but unnethack is prob your best bet to pull from 15:08 tortle race? that was something close to 40 separate commits before we got it to where it is now 15:09 giant was a fair amount. centaur and hobbit weren't as tricky 15:09 illithid had some growing pains too 15:09 Yea, mine are not draining corpses :( Or regenerating or unbreathing, and they can't even handle silver. I think I have leads on where the problems are but jeesh 15:09 I read a bunch of the giant commits, there's some interesting stuff 15:10 Made me understand some of the item additions more 15:10 I'd say dnh but that has the most big code changes so especially hard to port from 15:11 Indeed, loads of extra fields in everything - I've taken a couple small things, oh and some of the maps because dnh has great level designs 15:11 facts 15:12 omgfax 15:12 some of the racial stuff in evilhack is messed up 15:12 anywhere that it modifies the permonst (youmonst->data), in particular 15:13 just make sure you don't look to that as an example to be followed 15:13 yeah its on the bug tracker 15:13 luckily its nothing too crazy, but still 15:13 it is wrong 15:14 and there were other, past issues too (like how being a giant samurai would cause mplayer samurai to be able to lift and throw boulders) 15:14 i remember that 15:14 that was silly 15:14 just bringing it up because hackemslashem mentioned looking at the original commits to add giant or wahtever 15:14 or that time bones meant you didn't count as a giant so could wear tshirts and stuff 15:14 I miss that one bring it back 15:15 hey i was just happy the game could compile 15:15 so it's probably not good to copy it too directly, that's all i mean 15:15 also if you add infidel add the bug where you can go to planes early and win if you're a god gamer 15:15 ah that'll already be inherited as fixed nvm 15:15 Infidels already in lol 15:15 reintroduce that bug please 15:16 One of the benefits of basing on Evil =D 15:16 hackemslashem - src/hack.c lines 3471 thru 3489, all sorts of wrong 15:17 i really should at least throw a FIXME in the comment there 15:17 I always thought hack.c was for the really bad code? 15:18 lol 15:18 when taking me into consideration, any file is a place for bad code 15:18 if it wasn't hand crafted by the artisan known as qt dont trust it 15:18 Just rename dogmove.c to dogemove, you're good 15:18 * K2 senses aosdict nodding silently in agreement 15:20 brb 15:22 I'm finding some more commits by searching "vampiric" lol, just found one for the silver handling 15:25 It would be neat to be able to poly from vampire to vampire lord at ~lvl 10 and then to vampire king at 20, but I imagine this could be a nightmare to program 15:36 vampire race? will it be at least 50% vulnerable to fire at all times? 15:37 Seems reasonable, they start with some major benefits 15:38 So it looks like silver it the one material that "hates_material" monsters can't wield, whereas orcs can use mithril, and elves can use iron. 15:38 Gonna see if I can hack that a bit, hopefully not break much... 15:39 that will be fun in hell then ;-) 15:39 unless you removed that hitpoint loss when not 100% fire resistant 15:40 "the flames of hell" 15:40 Fire? I thought it was mostly garlic (in the game), sunlight (hm), young ladies in implausible nightgowns, and stakes through the heart except most people are vulnerable to that 15:40 In evil vampires have the M4_VULNERABLE_FIRE tag 15:40 and cutting off the head and immersing in water, most people are vulnerable to that too 15:41 Likewise burying at a crossroads and with most of them you don't even have to stake them through the heart first, although it makes them less wriggly 15:42 rebatela: I regard the nethack way of tackling exploits or too easy strategies by making them harder to achieve, not just by nerfing them. stealing from shops is the prime example that has been refined over decades and not just outright prohibited 15:42 yeah i dig it 15:43 no you don't, the shopkeeper leaps and grabs your pack as you fall through the floor 15:44 Or was bhaak talking about pet stealing? 15:45 you should play 1.3d some time and see how laughably easy it is to rob shops 15:47 i did... 15:47 i played hack and rogue and early nethack as a child 15:48 but have you played it with the skill honed by modern nethack? 15:48 my point was that it's always been a back and forth between players finding exploits/dev fixing them. It's part of the game 15:48 no 15:49 yes but the "fix" in other games is often just completely removing the exploit. in nethack, it often stays but gets more complicated and difficult to exploit 15:50 It's fair to discourage degenerate behavior too, I don't want people getting tendonitis from doing something over-and-over just because they can (and they will!) 15:51 i feel like nethack encourages thinking outside the box 15:51 i like it 15:51 apparently this isn't the place to discuss any of it. I'll go to reddit or something, but don't even get me started on paranoid water. The people who bitched and got it added to evilhack don't even play the game. And we all know k2 is on the dev team so is there paranoid water in vanilla now? just lame imo. If you want paranoid water why not play one of the variants that has it? 15:51 k2 is not on the vanilla devteam 15:51 I got turned on to nethack because you COULD typo to a total disaster. Not have to answer a prompt confirming 15:51 and uh it seems like you might be discussing it 15:52 it was paxed that added it. also isn't it off by default? i know i don't have it enabled in any game 15:52 I mean, it is optional, so you can just disable it 15:52 it's certainly not mandatory 15:52 qt: re the above, unless you want to store your stuff safely, in which case nethack encourages thinking "inside the large box" 15:52 ok but if you were competing for realtime (people DO compete ya know?) and one person can just slap the keys around not worrying about the water and the other person doesn't have the option on. Is that fair? 15:53 oh so there is paranoid water in vanilla now? 15:53 you can still typo to total disaster (oh no I meant to type Zl and cast finger of death not harmlessly move next to Rodney!) just not into instadeath terrain 15:53 what a joke if true 15:54 i don't like paranoid water either 15:54 i know i'm not alone. it's only on here where people argue about it with me. Nethack never had that "are you sure?" bs 15:54 nor did rogue 15:54 or hack 15:54 but these are silly arguments against an entirely optional feature 15:54 my guy you are gatekeeping in a huge way 15:54 certainly not 'EVIL' hack 15:54 My first vampire silver hating fix didn't work :( but I guess you can wear gloves if you want to wield a silver thing.. 15:54 you do not get to decide what is the true nethack way 15:54 yes i do 15:54 i know. you're ruining the game though aosdictr 15:55 are you sure? 15:55 why not make it so there's no insteadeath... I typo'd! I never would have done that on purpose! 15:55 are you sure you want to touch the cockatrice? you don't have gloves! 15:55 rebatela: this is stupid because you can turn it off 15:55 nobody is pointing a gun at your head and forcing you to use it 15:55 ok 15:56 Hack 1.0.3, hack.end.c line 17: pline("Really quit?"); 15:56 -!- VaderFLAG has joined #evilhack 15:56 are you actually angry because you personally are having less fun? or because you don't like the idea of new players not falling in the water? 15:56 but when one person runs through the mines with no worry about taking a dunk. you don't think you can play faster? 15:56 or more carelessly? 15:56 yes the point where I get fed up with these arguments is where people say "no no, EVERYONE should be required to play the game my way with less QoL, because that's the One True NetHack" 15:56 why would i care? i am not speed running against anyone 15:56 isn't there something to be said for being careful? 15:56 all speed runners are going to be playing with whatever optimal speedrunning config has been developed 15:57 and people who are genuinely in the running for best realtime clock speed or whatever are going to be good enough that they're not constantly falling in the water 15:58 personally i dislike it too, i think nethack should have sharp edges and allow you to shoot yourself in the foot and make a horrible mistake. but it's optional so i still don't experience it, i don't really care that much 15:58 ok, well i happen to own the 2nd place realtime and i'd have 1st place if i knew it was even close. I probably went to the bathroom many times with the game running. But i most CERTAINLY can play faster if I'm not worried about falling in the water in the mines 15:58 in 10 years this game will be a joke 15:58 2 15:58 I'd take that bet if it wasn't subjective 15:59 clearly you already think it is a joke 15:59 you're trying to appeal to people by making the game easier. You deny it, but it's true 15:59 i don't think that is true 15:59 and if you think I am ruining xnethack with my changes, you don't have to play it 15:59 If only there was a NetHack-derived roguelike that got rid of typo deaths years ago! We could look at it and see if it's known for being easy or hard. 15:59 well, tbf neither of you play evilhack. And if that's not the goal of xnh? i don't know what to tell you 16:00 i don't play it 16:00 I'm not arguing the point, it is an explicitly stated goal of xnethack to remove sources of pointless frustration 16:00 so stop bringing those changes to vanilla or wtf 'evil' paranoid water? I know it wasn't his idea... 16:00 such a tiny thing to be hyperfocused on imo, an optional setting that you can choose is not a big picture idea 16:00 I would argue that it is the opposite of "ruining" anything 16:00 whose idea was it 16:01 mine 16:01 ais523 16:01 ? 16:01 ok amateurhour, that's it 16:01 i'm shooting you in the head 16:01 and do you play evilhack now amateurhour? 16:01 ... sorry, someone is sneaking into K2's git repository and making commits when he's not looking? 16:01 from time to time I do, but very rarely, but what's the point of that question anyway? 16:01 you implying that any thoughts I have can't be real? 16:01 no, it's that he changed the game for people who still don't play 16:01 only real evilhack players (tm) get to gatekeep the one true evilhack (tm) 16:01 i think it's a fair point 16:02 ok but earlier you were yelling about him changing the game for people who ascend too much 16:02 so you don't like it when he changes the game based on any suggestion at all it seems 16:02 i'm all about people making suggestions 16:02 but you said "i hate it when k2 kowtows to people who ascend all the time" and now "i hate it when k2 kowtows to people who don't play" 16:02 so only people who ascend at exactly the rebatela ratio have good suggestions? 16:02 no 16:03 dude... i suck at this game. it's hard for me. that's why i like it. But changing something so fundamental as paranoid water... people have been arguing about that since the dawn of nethack 16:03 I have to admit while I have only met K2 once he didn't strike me as being someone easy to browbeat into, say, accepting my perfectly sensible Elbereth suggestion. :-) 16:04 fundamental? what 16:04 people like aosdict etc. made variants JUST to have things like paranoid water. 16:04 yes 16:04 what 16:04 many many many people have had a game ruined by a typo 16:04 aosdict: you love paranoid water don't you, you degenerate? 16:04 i'm talking back to 1.3 etc. 16:04 you sick fuck 16:04 you probably bathe in it 16:04 ... they haven't? As far as I know the idea of extending typo protection originated with paranoid_quit (which I wrote the patch for) 16:04 what are you talking about, there's no conspiracy in the variant community pushing the Paranoid Agenda 16:04 or probably you don't because you're warned before you walk in 16:05 omg Pinkbeast is the original sinner?!?! 16:05 it lets you play way faster. are people really denying that? 16:05 no way did you actually Pinkbeast? that's awesome 16:05 So should I disable PW and bring in lethe water? 16:05 there's water in the evilhack mines. you guys should play the game sometime... 16:05 hackemslashem if you really wanna be evil introduce 3d water like dnh 16:05 amateurhour: Not so much awesome as self-serving (and I don't even have a cat to walk on Q y) :-) 16:05 3d lethe water 16:05 none of you even play. argument is dumb 16:06 rebatela: i play evilhack 16:06 I think we agree that the argument is dumb 16:06 I will point out that in an abstract sense, kowtowing to people who don't play can indeed be a valid move to make, if you want to attract players who tell you "your variant sounds interesting but I don't play it because X" 16:06 I play, but more accurately I test and dev over evil... 16:06 amateurhour: slex crystal water when 16:07 man that'd be so annoying 16:07 turn off your usual water traversal methods if you can, oh you can't because you're a race with intrinsic flying? lol rekt 16:08 OK, I'll bite, what's SLEX crystal water? 16:08 No idea with slex crystal water is... 16:08 water on the ceiling 16:08 wat 16:08 er on the ceiling 16:08 haha 16:08 lol 16:09 I guess you can't just fly under it?? 16:09 That, ah, hm. Sounds like... an idea. 16:09 rebatela: not to extend this discussion further, but -- i can totally understand that if you are competitive about the game, you may feel like you're forced to use all the optimal "easy mode" settings to continue being competitive. i would be frustrated about that too. luckily i am in a privileged position of not being good enough at the game to worry about that, even though i don't want to use 16:09 it either. 16:10 you can't in slex at least hackemslashem 16:15 https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/2c50b94abc23acee84c89d381dad22f02fd6a5e8 16:15 read the commit notes 16:15 ? 16:15 even with paranoid swim on in evilhack, you can still die 16:16 via being saved from stepping fully into it 16:16 * K2 bows 16:16 [hdf-us] [evil] Bartlem (Inf Hum Mal Una), 209 points, T:207, killed by falling down a mine shaft 16:16 thank you... no seriously, thank you 16:16 you're welcome 16:16 :) 16:16 you know i'm right... i knew your opinions on paranoid water before. You got talked into it 16:17 we've been through this like 7 times now 16:17 8 16:17 lol i know 16:17 player polymorphed into a sugar golem gets their feet wet and instadies 16:17 sorry guys. i love y'all 16:18 i love you too qt 16:18 ... 16:18 lol 16:18 wrong chat? 16:18 gee thanks 16:18 oopsies 16:19 rebatela: i like you but i don't like-like you 16:19 the devteam and aosdict are part of the pentaverate 16:19 K2: i like-like you but I don't like you 16:19 along with col sanders 16:19 !qt how do u feel about me 16:19 qt: so a tsundere thing huh 16:19 is the paranoid water in vanilla or not? i swear i'll stop talking about it 16:19 maybe 16:19 yes it is 16:19 yes 16:20 paxed added it 16:20