01:15 <arahael> being stunlocked is a PITA.  hate gnomish wizards.
01:19 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] gpsalmoncannon (Pri Elf Mal Neu) rejected atheism by turning undead, on T:3263
01:22 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] gpsalmoncannon (Pri Elf Mal Neu), 1666 points, T:3456, killed by a giant beetle
01:28 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] gpsalmoncannon (Pri Elf Mal Neu) had a blessed stone quarterstaff entrusted to him by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:998
01:46 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] gpsalmoncannon (Pri Elf Mal Neu), 2224 points, T:3787, killed by a mountain dwarf
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05:53 <mobileuser> "In EvilHack, The Longbow of Diana also adds a +d6 damage bonus to arrows fired with it." how did I miss that
05:57 <mobileuser> Umbire I can't find any evilhack commits for that?
05:58 <Umbire> https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/blob/master/include/artilist.h#L364
05:58 <Umbire> This might be a misread on my part
05:59 <Umbire> Yeah, likely a misread
06:00 <Umbire> that'd mean +d6 damage to the Bow itself
06:00 <Umbire> though, not likely to come up I imagine
06:15 <mobileuser> thx for checking!
06:17 <Umbire> I'll avoid changing it myself until someone who knows for sure confirms
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08:11 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Fem Cha), 71502 points, T:17203, quit
08:15 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 694 points, T:985, killed by a bugbear
08:40 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) tasted meat for the first time, by eating a floating eye corpse, on T:3927
08:42 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:4133
09:06 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 17861 points, T:8717, killed by an owlbear
09:12 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) rejected atheism by offering a hill orc corpse on an altar of Ptah, on T:3062
09:12 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Orc Mal Cha), 989 points, T:3127, killed by a rope golem
09:21 <mobileuser> "You see here a pair of dragonhide old gloves named Dragonbane."
09:21 <mobileuser> RNG is kind :-)
09:24 <qt> sweet
09:36 <K2> \o/
09:37 <K2> <+Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] mobileuser (Ran Cen Mal Cha), 165783 points, T:33127, killed by the RNG for finding too many cool artifacts
09:49 <mobileuser> lol
09:50 <mobileuser> I also have Magicbane from the beholder bones
09:55 <K2> :P
10:25 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:3173
10:26 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) tasted meat for the first time, by eating a floating eye corpse, on T:3189
10:29 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:3492
10:31 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] arnibald (Inf Gia Mal Una), 11952 points, T:4331, killed by a Woodland-elf
10:36 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping 6 silver arrows on an altar, on T:4193
10:41 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] mobileuser (Ran Cen Mal Cha) killed Scorpius, on T:25953
10:42 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] mobileuser (Ran Cen Mal Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:25964
10:49 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 7290 points, T:5193, quit
10:53 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] mobileuser (Ran Cen Mal Cha) returned The Longbow of Diana to Orion, completing his quest, on T:26145
10:53 <mobileuser> \o/
10:54 <amateurhour> you just letting him have it? :P
10:54 <K2> no balls
10:55 <K2> kill him with the crossbow of carl
10:57 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 565 points, T:1474, killed by a jumping spider
11:02 <mobileuser> Longbow of Diana sucks anyway
11:02 <amateurhour> what would be needed to make it not suck?
11:02 <amateurhour> damage on firing arrows maybe?
11:04 <mobileuser> see backscroll, the wiki now says "In EvilHack, The Longbow of Diana also adds a +d6 damage bonus to arrows fired with it."
11:04 <mobileuser> but that's probably not rue
11:04 <mobileuser> *true
11:05 <mobileuser> but yes, extra damage would make it suck less
11:06 <amateurhour> what if it was +1 multishot as well
11:06 <amateurhour> or lets be a lil radical here
11:06 <amateurhour> +2 multishot
11:07 <mobileuser> yeah, in that case I would have thrown the artifact past Orion and killed him later :-)
11:08 <Umbire> I think dnh Longbow gives you +1 multishot bonus 
11:08 <Umbire> My memory's dogshite currently though
11:09 <amateurhour> in dnh it gives 1 multishot, or +2 multishot if you're a ranger
11:09 <amateurhour> that difference only matters if you find it in bones of course
11:09 <amateurhour> if it doesn't add any multishot then elves might prefer to use elven bow
11:09 <amateurhour> which makes it seem pretty sucky
11:10 <mobileuser> centaurian bows when
11:11 <mobileuser> centaurs should have their own racial stuff
11:11 <Umbire> Centaurs get multishot with both bow-type launchers iirc
11:11 <Umbire> ?
11:12 <mobileuser> yeah, but I want extra extra with a racial bow :b
11:13 <mobileuser> just kidding really
11:13 <K2> it is true
11:14 <K2> longbow of diana gives arrows fired from it +5 to hit and +6 damage
11:14 <K2> same for crossbow of carl + bolts
11:14 <mobileuser> +6 or 1d6?
11:14 <K2> however the code handles damage bonuses for artifacts
11:15 <K2> https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/blob/master/include/artilist.h#L364
11:15 <K2> https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/blob/master/include/artilist.h#L364
11:15 <K2> oops
11:15 <K2> PHYS(5, 6)
11:15 <K2> ^ +5 to hit, +6 damage
11:16 <mobileuser> damn :-)
11:16 <K2> in vanilla its 5,0 i think
11:16 <mobileuser> I should have kept the bow then
11:16 <K2> yup, in vanilla its 5,0
11:16 <K2> i made that change a loooong time ago
11:17 <K2> go back and get it :P
11:19 <amateurhour> K2 does that damage apply to projectiles?
11:19 <amateurhour> or just when bashing with it
11:20 <mobileuser> ^ good question
11:20 <K2> projectiles
11:20 <K2> same as the to hit
11:20 <mobileuser> in that case I will kill Orion later :-)
11:21 <amateurhour> did you change something to make that work? iirc dnh had a thing where damage bonuses didn't apply to projectiles for a bit
11:21 <K2> i dont think the PHYS hit/damage apply to a launcher if you use it to bash things
11:21 <K2> amateurhour no
11:21 <amateurhour> because the object that hits the mon is the ammo or something
11:21 <qt> are you sure it does work?
11:21 <K2> did i spend x amount of time thoroughly testing it? no
11:22 <mobileuser> hmmm
11:22 <mobileuser> Orion's fate hangs in the balance still
11:22 <K2> when you enchant a bow, the bosus of enchantment applies to the ammo launched from it. that's vanilla rules iirc
11:22 <K2> *bonus
11:22 <mobileuser> only the to-hit
11:23 <mobileuser> not the damage
11:23 <amateurhour> yeah
11:23 <amateurhour> what mobi said
11:23 <K2> feel free to test it out
11:24 <K2> submit a PR if the damage doesnt check out
11:27 <amateurhour> "it works, TRUST, but if it doesnt fix it thanks :))"
11:27 <amateurhour> :P
11:27 <K2> hah
11:27 <K2> i'm looking at it
11:28 <K2> looks like unnethack gave the longbow some extra damage from all arrows fired from it
11:28 <K2> ah i see
11:29 <qt> around uhitm.c:1156 is where launcher-based damage bonus is applied, looks like
11:29 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Elf Mal Cha) refused to give up The Magic Mirror of Merlin to King Arthur, on T:73490
11:29 <qt> you'd probably have to add something in there to give bonus for the artifact launcher extra damage
11:30 <K2> yup i'm there
11:30 <K2> simple 2 lines should do it
11:30 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Elf Mal Cha), 1215837 points, T:73492, killed by King Arthur
11:31 <amateurhour> worth thinking about extra features like oprops here too
11:31 <amateurhour> like if you want a flame bow to be a real thing that fires flaming arrows
11:31 <K2> not sure i want that
11:31 <K2> righjt now launchers dont have oprops
11:31 <K2> only ammo
11:32 <mobileuser> other stuff to do, see you later!
11:32 <K2> nooo
11:32 <qt> mobileuser: don't try to weasel out of creating that PR
11:32 <K2> the dishes can wait!
11:33 <qt> you're responsible for fixing this
11:33 <qt> damn I was hoping that ammo_and_launcher(obj, uwep) would mean you get bonuses from wielding a bow and kicking arrows at people
11:33 <qt> but no such luck, it is too careful
11:33 <qt> that would have been funny
11:34 <amateurhour> I haven't checked but I wonder if wielding the launcher and throwing still gets the bonus
11:34 <qt> i think wielding the launcher and throwing is counted as firing it from the launcher
11:35 <amateurhour> ahh
11:35 <qt> i don't think it's actually possible to wield a bow and just throw an arrow without firing it
11:35 <aosdict> K2: doesn't PHYS(5,6) mean +d5 to hit, +d6 damage
11:35 <qt> K2: while you're in that code, you might want to change the is_giant(mdat) a few lines above to racial_giant(mon)
11:35 <aosdict> unless you changed the bit of code that slashem did where it took away the dice roll and made the damage flat for all artifacts
11:35 <qt> so it will hit giant mplayers
11:36 <K2> qt reading my mind, already did hah
11:36 <K2> aosdict yeah that's what it is supposed to mean. i didnt do any slashem changes in regards to it
11:39 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Sam Hum Mal Law), 64 points, T:139, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted water moccasin
11:40 <K2> this should do it - https://termbin.com/l9am
11:41 <qt> can you use the actual damage bonus from the artifact definition instead of special casing it? that would probably be more flexible
11:41 <K2> i assumed you could but apparently that's not the case
11:44 <K2> for now just gonna roll with the current change
11:45 <amateurhour> might still be worth adding 1 multishot
11:46 <qt> you can't use spec_dbon?
11:47 <Not-aac4> [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±3] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/b813e9a766b8...8bf63f9749be
11:47 <Not-aac4> [EvilHack] k21971 8bf63f9 - Fix: ammo damage from the Longbow of Diana/Crossbow of Carl.
11:48 <qt> 'if (uwep->oartifact) tmp += spec_dbon(uwep, mon, 0);' something like that?
11:48 <K2> hmm
11:49 <qt> or maybe it should be 'spec_dbon(uwep, mon, tmp)' since that's how it's used in artifact_hit
11:51 <qt> that third arg seems to be something like "do this much extra damage if there's no +dmg defined on the artifact but it has an elemental attack that the creature is vulnerable to"
11:51 <qt> so maybe you want it 0 if you want to stay away from elemental damage from launchers
11:53 <K2> i didnt add oprops to launchers because it grunthack it could get stupid
11:53 <amateurhour> yeah if you don't want FUN like ACID LAUNCHERS
11:54 <amateurhour> pew pew
11:54 <K2> bow of detonation firing arrows of decay or cold or whatever
11:54 <K2> was way too OP
11:54 <qt> haha that sounds awesome
11:54 <amateurhour> epic
11:54 <K2> it was
11:54 <amateurhour> but if you don't have detonation oprop I don't see how it could happen
11:54 <K2> and then you realize its too OP
11:55 <qt> you could still have a bow of fire firing arrows of venom or something
11:55 <K2> you shouldnt be able to double up like that
11:56 <amateurhour> well if you wanted to limit it to one it could just be the launcher's one, then if still no oprop the ammo
11:56 <amateurhour> like fire bow sets its ammo to fire 
11:56 <amateurhour> what happens currently if you have a weapon with two oprops?
11:56 <amateurhour> melee weapon
11:56 <K2> i havent ever seen that occur
11:57 <K2> not even in grunthack
11:57 <qt> but it can, right? it's just an extremely low chance
11:58 <K2> for armor yeah
11:58 <qt> oh not for weapons though?
11:58 <K2> i dont think so, i need to look again
11:58 <qt> i think you should change your patch to use spec_dbon and not alter the artifact defintiions
12:02 <K2> that would be cool
12:22 <qt> really? would it be cool?
12:23 <qt> idk if it's really cool, just seems like it may be easier to use in the future if you ever add more artifact launchers
12:23 <Umbire> Oh wow, so I was right after all
12:23 <Umbire> Good to know
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12:37 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Sam Hum Mal Law), 2742 points, T:2626, zombified by a gnome zombie
13:05 <K2> yes, it would be cool. because maybe someday there will be another artifact launcher. who knows?
13:06 <K2> you mock me, sir
13:06 <K2> now I have to go get a covid test, because the owner of the company just tested positive *again* for covid and i was in his presence speaking with him 2 days ago
13:07 <K2> asshole knew he was positive, flew back to FL anyways, and didnt say anything about it until earlier today
13:09 <K2> brb
13:32 <qt> oy vey
13:33 <qt> I wasn't mocking you, I just wouldn't really describe it as cool. i guess i have a hard time seeing refactoring as "cool". a bias of mine I suppose
13:33 <qt> now, if you refactored a function to wear a leather jacket and smoke cigarettes, it'd be a different story
13:34 <qt> (the oy vey was in response to the COVID news, by the way, not the accusation of mockery)
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14:05 <K2> i know :P
14:06 <K2> i wasnt offended, it just felt cool to say 'you mock me, sir'
14:06 <K2> so cool
14:06 <K2> C O O L
14:06 <K2> i'm at home right now awaiting the results of a LAMP test
14:07 <amateurhour> can already tell you now that you're not a lamp you are in fact a human
14:07 <K2> whew
14:07 <K2> thank goodness
14:08 <K2> I was afraid people would start trying to rub me
14:08 <K2> yes I know... so many different dirty snarky jokes to tell
14:09 <K2> hard to pick what to say
14:09 <K2> take your time...
14:10 <amateurhour> ha ha he won't expect a wholesome job that misreads rub as rob
14:10 <K2> :)
14:10 <amateurhour> wholesome joke* wow filthy mind did a freudian
14:12 <K2> lol
14:12 <K2> test is negative yay
14:12 <K2> headed back to work
14:13 <amateurhour> hooray for having to go back to work? :P
14:20 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] arnibald (Inf Gia Fem Una), 558 points, T:1478, killed by a wand
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14:41 <K2> heh
14:41 <K2> aaaad we're back at work
14:57 <NetSysFire> K2 while complaining about devs doing bad responses to legitimate issues, i am still mad at you for closing this report of a CRITICAL bug https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/issues/93
14:57 <NetSysFire> literally unplayable
14:57 <qt> open a PR for it NetSysFire, don't give up
14:57 <NetSysFire> good idea actually
14:58 <NetSysFire> it shouldnt be that difficult to fix
14:59 <qt> look at singplur_compound(objnam.c) to find the cause...
14:59 <qt> i believe in you
15:00 <qt> (there's even a comment in there questioning it)
15:06 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] arnibald (Inf Gia Fem Una) became literate by reading the fortune inside a cookie, on T:3208
15:11 <K2> NetSysFire - get used to disappointment
15:11 <K2> :P
15:11 <NetSysFire> K2 you are the worst dev in software development history
15:12 <K2> i would say yes
15:12 <NetSysFire> you might be an adequate sysadmin but you shouldnt have tried software dev
15:12 <K2> but then I've seen the slex repo
15:12 <NetSysFire> lol good one
15:12 <K2> i'm not an adequate sysadmin, i actually rock at this job thank you
15:13 <qt> K2 you yourself told NetSysFire to open a PR for this
15:14 <K2> i did
15:14 <qt> "...i'll cool with seeing a PR to fix it" -- K2, 2022-04-08 10:55 AM
15:15 <qt> are you denying now that you'll cool with seeing a PR to fix it?
15:15 <K2> i am not denying that
15:15 <K2> seeing != accepting it
15:15 <qt> you are just saying that after you cool, you'll close it
15:16 <K2> possibly
15:16 <K2> I dont want to commit to a definite answer either way
15:16 <K2> I like being RNG-like
15:16 <amateurhour> just give me permissions on the repo K2, I'll ruthlessly close it and act like the bad guy
15:17 <K2> hah
15:17 <amateurhour> "closed bcuz gnolls witherling is funny"
15:18 <K2> and correct
15:18 <K2> NetSysFire, your name isnt 'Karen' is it?
15:19 <K2> asking for a friend
15:19 <qt> it is 100% a bug though. it's because "gnoll witherling" is mistaken for "gnoll with <a basket of fruits, or whatever>" by the pluralizer. 
15:19 <qt> imo you should fix that bug, and make a specific exception for "gnolls witherling" if you really want to keep that.  otherwise "my withdrawal" or "my withholding" or anything else with "with.*" will be in the same boat (and also right now anyone confused about it will look at the source and see "oh, this is obviously a bug" and then complain)
15:20 <K2> ah
15:20 <amateurhour> bug report: they are called gnoll witherling instead of gnoll with erlang
15:20 <qt> haha
15:20 * K2 renames 'gnoll witherling' to 'gnoll with a basket of fruits, or whatever'
15:20 <qt> that would be a scary monster
15:21 <qt> I've come to WELCOME you to the dungeon!!! HAHAHA
15:21 <K2> lol
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15:21 <qt> please accept this welcome basket... of DEATH
15:21 <K2> player is stunned for 1d4 turns because they didnt expect the basket of fruits (or whatever) amd need time to process wtf is happening
15:22 <qt> lol
15:23 <NetSysFire> K2: no my name is not karen, the name chosen by myself may or may not be cyan
15:24 <qt> the name chosen by yourself is NetSysFire
15:24 <NetSysFire> on irc
15:27 <K2> heheh
15:28 <K2> i dont make one little change and I become the worst software dev ever
15:28 <K2> in history
15:28 <K2> on this planet i'm assuming
15:29 * NetSysFire shakes K2
15:30 <NetSysFire> the lack of change makes the game LITERALLY unplayable
15:30 <K2> i wonder what would happen if i renamed gnoll witherling to gnolls witherling
15:30 <qt> k2 change jobs to work in meatpacking plant automation so you can be the wurst software dev
15:30 <K2> rofl
15:30 <aosdict> K2: don't worry I'm already the worst software dev ever because I don't make the change to add king cake babies
15:30 <qt> hey, you are a great dev
15:31 <qt> you are merely my mortal enemy, but i would never malign your mad skillz
15:31 <K2> qt, if i changed into a bird, I could be the 'worst software dove' ever
15:31 <qt> i doubt you'd be worse at coding than any other dove. probably marginally better
15:31 <K2> maybe
15:31 <aosdict> doing hunt and peck
15:31 <NetSysFire> K2: why would the police never arrest your daugher? because she hates stings and it would be a sting operation
15:32 <K2> oh my... that was horrible
15:32 <K2> stick to insults :)
15:32 <NetSysFire> thanks
15:32 <aosdict> never show her the film The Sting either
15:32 <NetSysFire> yasi: kathryn becomes hostile if you have Sting in your inventory
15:32 <K2> or introduce her to 'Sting'
15:33 <NetSysFire> @e?demogorgon
15:33 <Hecubus_> Demogorgon (&) | Lvl: 106 | Diff: 57 | Spd: 15 | Res: fire poison drain | Confers: nothing | MR: 95 | Generates: unique | AC: -8 | Attacks: 8d6 cast spell, 2d4 sting level drain, 2d6 tentacle disease, 2d6 tentacle disease | Alignment: -20 | Flags: flies, seeinvis, poisonous, nopoly, stalker, covetous, infravisible
15:33 <NetSysFire> @e?kathryn the enchantress
15:33 <Hecubus_> Kathryn the Enchantress (@) | Lvl: 100 | Diff: 104 | Spd: 9 | Res: fire cold sleep disintegrate shock poison acid petrification drain | Confers: nothing | MR: 100 | Generates: unique | AC: 0 | Attacks: 10d10 weapon physical, 10d10 cast clerical, 10d10 cast spell | Alignment: 15 | Flags: omnivore, flies, regenerates, seeinvis, nopoly
15:33 <aosdict> or expect her to sympathize with bilbo or frodo baggins
15:34 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] arnibald (Inf Gia Fem Una), 2112 points, T:3719, killed by a rabid dog
15:34 -!- K2 changed the topic on #evilhack to: EvilHack: a NetHack variant ¤ https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack ¤ public irc logs available at hardfought.org ¤ version 0.8.0 available for public play on #hardfought ¤ see https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/EvilHack for gameplay information ¤ Bug tracker and future development ideas - https://www.hardfought.org/etherpad/p/EvilHack ¤ https://redd.it/wakb2u ¤ 'gnolls witherling'
15:35 <NetSysFire> >:(
15:35 <K2> NetSysFire did you just report an ndnh bug to the dnh repo?
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15:35 <NetSysFire> just kidding
15:35 <K2> lol
15:36 <NetSysFire> K2: no, demo said its upstream
15:36 <K2> ah
15:38 <NetSysFire> you know what i am really worried about though? every player statue in my ndnh game is an anachronounbinder named amateurhour
15:44 <qt> scary....
15:44 <qt> amateurhour is watching you
15:52 <NetSysFire> K2: i found a thing in ndnh that might be applicable to evil, too. as a vampire i can bite medusa and not get stoned, i assume i that applies to illithids brainsucking, too?
15:58 <qt> I don't think so
15:58 <qt> i just checked vanilla. mind flayer polyform sucking medusa's brains turns to stone
15:58 <qt> the vampire thing is true in vanilla too
15:58 <NetSysFire> hmm ok its dnh only
15:59 <qt> no the vampire thing is true in vanilla as well
15:59 <qt> it could be that medusa's blood is not a problem, only her flesh
16:00 <NetSysFire> but you pierce her flesh with your teeth
16:00 <qt> touching it isn't a problem though, you can pick up her corpse and so on. it's only eating it that stones you
16:00 <qt> so maybe that's the explanation in vanilla, that the vampire isn't actually sucking her blood
16:00 <qt> i know in dnh it's different though
16:00 <qt> it actually says "you suck blood" or something right?
16:00 <NetSysFire> You hit Medusa!  You bite Medusa! 
16:00 <NetSysFire> it would say "you feed on lifeblood"
16:01 <qt> yeah so you can't handwave it away as easily
16:01 <qt> i could bite you without consuming your flesh or any part of your body
16:01 <qt> but in cases where the vampire actually feeds on the victim it should probably work differently
16:02 <amateurhour> NetSysFire: don't you have yellow dsm
16:03 <NetSysFire> i vanquished medusa way earlier
16:03 <NetSysFire> when i didnt
16:03 <amateurhour> oh
16:08 <K2> illithid tentacle attack is suppresses vs monsters that could turn it to stone
16:08 <K2> same for vamp bites
16:08 <K2> *suppressed
16:08 <NetSysFire> lets go to #hardfought with this so we dont drive K2 crazy with a potential non-evil issue
16:09 <K2> its fine here
16:10 <qt> k2 is already crazy
16:11 <NetSysFire> yes but demo isnt here
16:13 <K2> heh
16:14 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] mobileuser (Ran Cen Mal Cha) killed Croesus, on T:27986
16:14 <qt> i guess the real question for the dnh thing is, if you use a tinning kit on medusa and get a potion of medusa blood, does drinking it stone you?
16:14 <qt> if so biting her as a vampire should definitely stone you when you "drink lifeblood"
16:15 <qt> but if there's a distinction between eating the corpse and drinking the blood i guess it's internally consistent
16:18 <NetSysFire> there is a difference between biting a monster and feed on lifeblood (which gains nutrition)
16:18 <NetSysFire> the latter actually drains blood, the former is just a normal bite but can also leveldrain
16:20 <qt> yeah I would think a normal bite should probably not stone you (since it's eating the corpse that stones you, not touching her -- and what is a bite but an unusually emphatic touch with your teeth?) but drinking her blood maybe should
16:22 <K2> glad i didnt add vampire race. its been around for years in multiple variants and it still has issues
16:27 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] arnibald (Inf Gia Mal Una) had Secespita bestowed upon him by Moloch, on T:3899
16:30 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] arnibald (Inf Gia Mal Una) became literate by reading the fortune inside a cookie, on T:4232
16:33 <NetSysFire> K2: as it turned out its actually a ndnh bug and not dnh
17:10 <mobileuser> evilhack has really well-designed race implementations
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17:40 <K2> thanks
17:40 <K2> \o/
17:40 <amateurhour> most of them are just stolen from vanilla!!!!
17:41 <amateurhour> human for example! it's actually not original at all it copied from vanilla which copied from d&d which copied from real life!
17:41 <K2> yoiks, i've been found out
17:42 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] mobileuser (Ran Cen Mal Cha) killed Medusa, on T:29990
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19:19 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] CaptSplat (Bar Cen Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1905
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22:26 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Bar Cen Mal Cha), 644 points, T:1123, killed by a baby owlbear
22:45 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] arnibald (Inf Gia Mal Una), 12638 points, T:8740, killed by an Uruk-hai
23:25 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] gpsalmoncannon (Pri Orc Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:2239
23:29 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] arnibald (Inf Gia Mal Una), 4902 points, T:5038, killed by a magic missile
23:29 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 645 points, T:1581, killed by a mountain dwarf, while frozen by a potion
23:34 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 365 points, T:1660, killed by a hobbit
23:36 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] gpsalmoncannon (Pri Orc Mal Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3200
23:36 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] gpsalmoncannon (Pri Orc Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (soldier ants), on T:3205
23:54 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping 6 steel arrows on an altar, on T:4151