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(www.adiirc.com)] 05:03 -!- hackemslashem2 has joined #evilhack 05:03 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha), 59 points, T:61, crunched in the head by an iron ball 05:06 -!- hackemslashem has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:09 hackemslashem2 it's the same for invisibility 05:10 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha), 603 points, T:1514, killed by a horned devil 05:10 weird that the wiki didn't already mention that... 05:10 perfect 05:10 I think the only permanent invisibility is from magic traps 05:11 If you could, would you remove orctown from evil? 05:11 no... 05:11 haha, ok 05:11 orctown is perfect for infidels 05:11 Oh interesting! Never thought about that 05:12 Easy altar, makes sense 05:12 and for others: at least you have a guaranteed shop + altar 05:12 yeah 05:13 mobileuser: I thought magic traps can potentially last an insane long time, but it wasn't permanent? 05:14 I'm pretty sure it's permanent from magic traps (but a magic trap can also take it away again) 05:14 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha), 431 points, T:1322, killed by an orc zombie 05:15 Looks perm 05:16 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha), 54 points, T:193, killed by a boulder 05:16 and for perm see invisible: you need to get crowned or your role must grant it 05:16 (not sure about thrones) 05:17 Throne is non-perm iirc 05:17 Probably wrong 05:22 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha), 583 points, T:1340, killed by an iron ball collision 05:30 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha), 956 points, T:2191, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted giant bat 05:49 mobi is monk see invis perm now? 05:53 Thought it always was 05:56 when the magic trap bs was added it wasn't permanent, I cried about it a lot 05:56 as in magic trap yeets it 05:56 afaik only crowning gives it in a form that isn't stolen by a magic trap 05:57 maybe I'm confused with what mobi meany be 'perm see invisible ... role must grant it' 05:57 meant by* 06:32 [hdf-us] [evil] lgxia (Val Hum Fem Neu), 1326674 points, T:89498, suffocated by a sea dragon 06:41 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:10822 06:42 rough lgxia 06:53 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 06:58 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 07:00 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:07 amateurhour I meant permanent in the sense of no time-out, you are probably right that only crowning makes it "magic trap proof" 07:10 oh right 07:10 ha now I remember the old bug when monk see invis wasn't removed by magic trap, and the outcry when K2 fixed that :b 07:10 yeah I don't really like it 07:10 :( 07:11 well just get crowned, problem solved 07:11 what would win: 30 years at the monastery training to open your third eye, or one lil magic trap 07:11 same question but for rangers at level up 07:11 60 years training for rangers 07:11 poof! 07:12 EPI: magic traps toggle random intrinsics not just invis ones 07:12 rolls which one to do, maybe you get something epic maybe you get something horrible 07:14 that could be a YANI if it's dialled back a lil 07:31 Sounds like a New Trap Idea to me :D 07:52 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Trt Fem Neu) polymorphed her first item, on T:9279 07:56 -!- hackemslashem2 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:11 [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 4 points, T:205, killed by a falling object 08:22 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha), 45556 points, T:19413, killed by an owlbear 08:31 -!- hackemslashem has joined #evilhack 08:43 [hdf-us] [evil] arnibald (Inf Gia Fem Una), 1659 points, T:2302, killed by a champion of Odin 08:46 [hdf-us] [evil] arnibald (Inf Gia Fem Una), 216 points, T:508, killed by a large mimic 08:47 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 08:50 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 1640 points, T:1780, quit 08:51 amateurhour: That'll be freakishly irritating if you're finally a level 30 monk. 08:51 using a wand/spell of cancellation, you can disarm magic traps 08:52 If you find them first. 08:52 well yeah. cant very well use it if you dont have it 08:52 And the trap also! :P 08:52 heh 08:54 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Elf Mal Cha) killed Medusa, on T:53267 08:59 [hdf-us] [evil] arnibald (Inf Gia Fem Una), 538 points, T:1349, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted horned devil 09:08 [hdf-us] [evil] arnibald (Inf Gia Mal Una), 404 points, T:943, killed by a giant bat 09:24 -!- qt has joined #evilhack 09:25 [hdf-us] [evil] arnibald (Inf Gia Fem Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:2057 09:36 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 09:57 [hdf-us] [evil] mobileuser (Ran Cen Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:2445 09:58 \o/ 10:13 RIP David Bowie :( 10:28 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) destroyed lacca's ghost, the former Inmate, on T:3170 10:30 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:3446 10:33 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping an octagonal amulet on an altar, on T:3725 10:33 [hdf-us] [evil] arnibald (Inf Gia Fem Una), 8687 points, T:5040, killed by a carnivorous ape 10:41 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 5766 points, T:4321, killed by a tortle shaman, while paralyzed by a monster 10:50 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 10:50 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 11:06 [hdf-us] [evil] arnibald (Inf Gia Mal Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:1476 11:26 hahaha 11:26 I knew it 11:27 hackemslashem of course I get orctown now :b 11:32 at least you have a guaranteed shop + altar 11:35 [hdf-us] [evil] lgxia (Rog Hum Mal Neu) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:2642 11:40 orcorcorc 11:49 hey how come orcs get a whole town, where is tortletown?? 12:00 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:4400 12:05 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) rejected atheism by offering a homunculus corpse on an altar of Shan Lai Ching, on T:5432 12:15 its in mobileuser's swimming pool 12:16 private access 12:16 [hdf-us] [evil] lgxia (Rog Hum Mal Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:4574 12:21 -!- VaderFLAG has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:24 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a python, on T:6324 12:29 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (disenchanters), on T:7008 12:34 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:7433 12:35 [hdf-us] [evil] lgxia (Rog Hum Mal Neu), 4635 points, T:5353, killed by a gnome lady 12:53 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:8891 13:07 Anyone know how to translate this "GOLD: random, random" from old .des files to 3.6/evil .des files? I've tried a few things, but it only seems to take integers amounts of gold 13:09 eyeballing the yacc you can specify dice there, so if you know what slashem's random amount of gold rolled you could use the dice expression 13:11 Yes.. Hopefully I can find that 13:11 I was guessing it was based on the dungeon level 13:12 lev_comp.y:2031 or so in evilhack 13:12 oh unless you were asking what the roll was in slashem 13:14 look in icerealm.des 13:14 there's an example for a set amount of gold in there 13:15 K2 I think hackem wants to copy over a des file that specifies 'random' for the amount 13:15 and wants to keep the random roll 13:15 ah 13:16 there's this - https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Des-file_format#GOLD 13:16 dunno if you can specify a rando amount 13:16 I think you can use dice expression in 3.6/evilhack 13:17 https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/blob/master/util/lev_comp.y#L2031 13:17 where math_expr_var is one of these: 13:17 https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/blob/master/util/lev_comp.y#L2431 13:18 might not be a bad idea to see what all changes moon-child did in slashem9 13:18 save you from reinventing the wheel so to speak on a lot of things 13:18 or to be doing this all on 3.7 :^) 13:18 well, evilhack hasnt been ported over yet 13:19 that'd be... a lot of work 13:19 do it then 13:19 dare u 13:19 i will 13:19 ... but not today 13:20 https://youtu.be/qSqVVswa420?t=117 13:24 hackemslashem: wouldn't you want just OBJECT: gold piece, bla bla random position and quantity 13:24 dunno if a GOLD directive is a carryover from pre-GOLDOBJ dats 13:24 days* 13:43 Hmm let me check slashem9 13:44 Yea the .des files I'm importing have a ton of these random gold statements, so it would be nice to stay close to whatever slashem intended 13:45 aosdict, that sounds good to try too 13:50 Well, in slashem: lev_comp.y we have "tmpgold[ngold]->amount = $3;" 13:53 slashem9 is the same as slashem 13:53 if amount was 'random' I think it's set to -1 13:54 which gets rolled in sp_lev.c as rnd(200) 13:54 Lol, I'm always finding it 2 seconds before you post 13:55 lol sorry I'll stop now 13:55 will sit on my hands 13:55 Weird, I thought it had a multiplier based on dlevel too 13:55 haha, no don't 13:55 So it's just d200? Easy 13:56 yeah 13:56 Woot, that consolidates probably 500 lines of these GOLD statements 13:57 laughed a lot at this "close to whatever slashem intended" 13:57 I sincerely doubt much of slashem's behaviour was intended at all :P 13:57 The SlashTHEM mine king level has "GOLD: random, (17,14)" 39 times lol 13:58 :%s would solve that 13:58 qt: Message from K2 at 2022-08-19 21:54 EDT: cool thanks! 13:58 just lots of yolo and gumption 13:58 We're taming it back just a little ^_^ 13:58 unfortunately slashem is one of the exceptions in tamedog that is unaffected by taming 13:59 I'm taming it with evil hehe 14:01 or at least trying, we'll see.. I hope people eventually enjoy it 14:16 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, acquiring an amulet of magic resistance, on T:12957 14:23 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) tasted meat for the first time, by eating a floating eye corpse, on T:14359 14:32 [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Gno Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (gnomes), on T:1 14:32 [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Gno Fem Cha), 0 points, T:1, killed by a scroll of genocide 14:41 [hdf-us] [evil] mobileuser (Ran Cen Mal Cha) became literate by engraving "test", on T:3811 14:42 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 14:45 hackemslashem: wait, so the intent was to put 39d200 pieces of gold on that one space? 14:45 that's what it sounds like, doesn't it? 14:47 also "a random amulet to keep folks interested" 14:48 the 7800 gp isn't enough to keep them interested I guess 14:48 https://github.com/Soviet5lo/SlashTHEM/blob/develop/dat/mines.des#L2114-L2182 14:48 that little island is pretty nasty 14:48 "is this laying it on too thick?" 14:49 most people don't bother even though the gold is good 14:49 should have added some more random amulets 14:50 there's another mines end variant that has guaranteed wand of death but I can't think of any reasonable ways an early game player could even get it 14:50 haha yea those comments 14:50 the best I could think of was poly and phase over 14:51 aosdict: It was actually 40d200, I was off by one 14:55 [hdf-us] [evil] arnibald (Inf Gia Mal Una) became literate by reading a book, on T:4858 14:56 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) destroyed lacca's ghost, the former Prisoner, on T:19143 14:57 [hdf-us] [evil] arnibald (Inf Gia Mal Una) eschewed atheism, by dropping an uncursed oilskin sack containing 20 items on an altar, on T:4899 14:58 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had a pair of gauntlets of protection entrusted to him by Huan Ti, on T:19186 15:00 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had a Hawaiian shirt entrusted to him by Huan Ti, on T:19281 15:00 is the mine king actually scrooge mcduck? 15:03 dont be silly hes not a duck hes a gnome 15:04 [hdf-us] [evil] arnibald (Inf Gia Mal Una), 10048 points, T:5209, killed by a disenchanter 15:05 $7800 is not that much 15:05 even if he were a duck, it wouldn't make him the richest duck in the dungeon 15:05 [hdf-us] [evil] arnibald (Inf Gia Mal Una), 52 points, T:20, killed by a bolt of lightning 15:05 don't forget, he also has a random amulet and various random rocks 15:10 [hdf-us] [evil] arnibald (Inf Gia Mal Una), 164 points, T:535, killed by a large mimic 15:12 [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) murdered his faithful pseudodragon, on T:1 15:12 [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Orc Mal Cha), 40 points, T:58, killed by a jackal 15:21 7800 is not enough to fill an entire vault with, but certainly a bathtub 15:23 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) polymorphed his first object, on T:22881 15:24 [hdf-us] [evil] arnibald (Inf Gia Fem Una), 808 points, T:1683, killed by a straw golem, while reading a book 15:27 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 105889 points, T:23364, killed by a fire giant 15:29 [hdf-us] [evil] mobileuser (Ran Cen Mal Cha) had a cloak of invisibility entrusted to him by Mars, on T:4835 15:30 well, slightly better AC than my cloak of displacement 15:32 [hdf-us] [evil] arnibald (Inf Gia Fem Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:772 16:12 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 42 points, T:271, killed by hitting themselves in the face 16:15 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 90 points, T:679, killed by Ms. Possogroenoe; the shopkeeper 16:19 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 231 points, T:1009, killed by a boulder 16:23 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Cav Hum Mal Neu), 182 points, T:343, killed by a crossbow bolt 16:30 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Arc Hob Mal Neu), 235 points, T:864, killed by a gas spore's explosion 16:33 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Sam Hum Mal Law) wished for "blessed magic marker", on T:76691 16:39 [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law), 501 points, T:1463, zombified by a kobold zombie, while frozen by a monster's gaze 16:58 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:77417 16:59 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Sam Hum Mal Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:77421 17:01 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Sam Hum Mal Law) performed the invocation, on T:77459 17:08 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Cav Hum Fem Neu), 4998 points, T:4304, quit 17:08 [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law), 1806 points, T:3761, killed by a housecat, while fainted from lack of food 17:09 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed the giant high priest of Moloch, on T:77723 17:09 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Sam Hum Mal Law) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:77727 17:11 [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Gno Mal Cha), 0 points, T:1, killed by a bolt of lightning 17:16 -!- amateurhour has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:16 [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law), 86 points, T:90, killed by a sewer rat 17:30 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 17:35 hmmm a dwarvish bearded axe could be a nice early melee weapon for my ranger... 17:35 need to train something better than dagger 17:37 You can get like 17:37 Skilled in axe normally, I think? 17:37 yeah 17:37 Dunno if/how evil changed it 17:37 seems not by that response 17:37 skilled 17:37 throwing axes should be more of a thing 17:38 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Sam Hum Mal Law) entered the Planes, on T:79232 17:38 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Sam Hum Mal Law) genocided two random monsters from class ;, on T:79234 17:38 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Sam Hum Mal Law) genocided two random monsters from class ;, on T:79234 17:38 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Sam Hum Mal Law) genocided two random monsters from class ;, on T:79235 17:41 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping 32 copper arrows on an altar, on T:3023 17:42 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:3137 17:43 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 4132 points, T:3367, killed by an earth elemental of Chih Sung-tzu, while frozen by a monster's gaze 17:46 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Sam Hum Mal Law) put Death down for a little nap, on T:79455 17:46 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Sam Hum Mal Law) destroyed the saddled Pale Horse, on T:79457 17:50 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 17:50 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Sam Hum Mal Law), 6580844 points, T:79490, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/e/elron/evilhack/dumplog/1660610395.evil.html 17:50 yay another evilhack asc 17:51 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 17:53 gg ron 18:54 \o/ 19:03 -!- Umbire has quit [Quit: Umbire zaps a wand of digging!] 19:08 -!- hackemslashem has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:11 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 19:27 [hdf-us] [evil] Snuff (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 172 points, T:676, killed by a mountain dwarf 19:50 [hdf-us] [evil] KingGizzard (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:10437 20:02 [hdf-us] [evil] KingGizzard (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:10742 21:16 [hdf-us] [evil] lgxia (Rog Hum Mal Neu) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:2001 21:25 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Elf Mal Cha) killed Croesus, on T:56544 21:43 [hdf-us] [evil] lgxia (Rog Hum Mal Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:4140 21:51 [hdf-us] [evil] lgxia (Rog Hum Mal Neu) had a chain mail entrusted to him by Mog, on T:5366 22:01 -!- hackemslashem has joined #evilhack 22:05 -!- hackemslashem has quit [Client Quit] 22:09 [hdf-us] [evil] Snuff (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 1576 points, T:2190, killed by a piranha 22:23 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:43 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 22:43 ok so long time since i've played 22:43 hi 22:43 Hello rebatela, Welcome to #evilhack 22:44 i need vecna strategy please? i have to go to them all the way right? can't like summon to the stairs? 22:44 i usually skip them but i have this alhoon on orcus level (orcus already dead) that is bothering me and i just want to geno them now i'm so mad 22:45 OR tell me how to deal with alhoon on orcus level? i'm pretty jacked. just melee? don't they drain your weapon skills /spells etc.? (I'm monk) 22:45 have a badass pet titan tho 22:45 titziana 22:45 everything is dead except rodeny and vecna... i can just skp vecna and kill the alhoon right? 23:02 [hdf-us] [evil] lgxia (Rog Hum Mal Neu), 9979 points, T:7660, killed by a bolt of fire, while sleeping 23:22 @e?hobbit 23:22 Over here t oo 23:22 hmm