01:07 <arahael> Finally uncursed a stone helm, to which I then immediately put on another cursed stone helm.
01:11 <Hecubus> [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:2540
01:47 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Vile (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 201 points, T:506, killed by a magical explosion
02:02 <Hecubus> [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3196
02:22 <arahael> Ooh, very nice.  Monster deathdropped two different bags.
02:27 <arahael> A mastadon in the gnometown zoo!
02:28 <arahael> Hope that door never opens.
02:28 <arahael> (It's a number 4 monster)
02:54 <arahael> Oooh! A wish.
02:54 <arahael> A fountain wish
02:57 <arahael> Trying to figure out a good wish. Got MR, BoH, but not yet powerful enough to take on an owner.
02:57 <arahael> Nor can I handle an artifact, anyway.  Neutral, too.
03:01 <arahael> I know!
03:01 <Hecubus> [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed fixed greased +2 dragonhide speedboots", on T:5015
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03:09 <Hecubus> [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) destroyed Arahael's ghost, the former Thaumaturge, on T:5079
03:09 <arahael> That was a seriously good wish.  It's my only blessed armour, too.
03:11 <mobileuser> did "speedboots" work without the space?
03:12 <arahael> It did.
03:15 <arahael> I actually forgot to consider if it can take an object property, but isn't "speed" already one?
03:17 <Hecubus> [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:5275
03:17 <mobileuser> lenient parser!
03:18 <mobileuser> no extra object properties on magical items
03:18 <arahael> mobileuser: It's quicker without the space, and with speedboots, that's the whole goal. ;)
03:18 <mobileuser> lol
03:26 <Hecubus> [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 16173 points, T:5481, killed by a stone giant, while moving through the air
03:26 <arahael> Oof.
03:27 <arahael> Disappointing way to end.
03:27 <mobileuser> :-(
03:49 <Hecubus> [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Elf Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:908
03:52 <arahael> What's the advantages of Elf?
03:53 <arahael> I seem to think it's just: Infravision, and "Elf needs food badly".
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04:08 <mobileuser> elf has sleep resistance. maybe not interesting for a monk, but huge for other roles
04:09 <mobileuser> of course the iron damage is a major disadvantage
04:15 <arahael> Yeah, that's big.
04:16 <arahael> Hmm...  Orcrist. Wonder if that's worth using.
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05:02 <Hecubus> [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Elf Fem Cha), 6870 points, T:2389, killed by an orcish arrow
05:02 <arahael> Elf is indeed difficult.
05:03 <arahael> Got absolutely swarmed by orcs.  And they had arrows.
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06:06 <Hecubus> [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:2684
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06:35 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] lgxia (Kni Hum Mal Cha) killed Croesus, on T:48881
07:31 <Hecubus> [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 5125 points, T:5210, killed by an owlbear
07:36 <krm26> wtf florida, their periodic table curriculum just told my daughter that there are 8 electrons in every energy level after the first
07:36 <krm26> i guess the other 10 electrons in the third energy level must by lgbt so they've gotten rid of them
07:37 <amateurhour> presumably they mean valence electrons
07:38 <amateurhour> shell model is all lies anyway
07:39 <amateurhour> noone knows anything chemistry is all a lie
07:40 <krm26> the question is whether bohr has the BEST lie
07:43 <krm26> what did bohr say about his model? take my descriptive language as poetry
07:44 <krm26> i was gonna give my daughter the khan academy lessons on atomic models until i saw how rapidly they started talking about de broglie wavelengths and decided to cut her some slack
07:44 <krm26> she's already mad at me for being neck-deep in the trojan war this summer
07:45 <krm26> every day she's yelling about how all the heroes are misogynist f*cks
07:46 <amateurhour> I choose to believe you invented a time machine to send your daughter back to potential historical trojan war origins just for education
07:47 <krm26> man as if hera wasn't pissed enough at the war
07:50 <K2> doh
07:53 <K2> i read recently that florida's public school system is short over 9000 teachers for the beginning of the next school year
07:53 <K2> they sacked all the ones who taught 'nth shell can hold up to 2n^2 electrons'
07:54 <K2> also, pi = 3
07:56 <krm26> that's a relief, i could never memorize more than like 7 digits
07:56 <krm26> i hope e is 3 also
07:56 <K2> just slap '42' on everything, you'll be fine
07:57 <K2> why does krm26 insist on living in florida? 42
07:57 <K2> see?
07:57 <krm26> i wake up every morning deeply upset to be here
07:57 <K2> :(
07:58 <krm26> 6 more years and i can pack my daughter off to university in new zealand and buy a golden visa for spain
07:58 <K2> company i work for, our corporate office is in del ray, i hate going down there. i've been able to avoid business trips down there for the last 2.5 yrs because of covid
07:59 <K2> 6 more years of bleh
07:59 <K2> not too bad
07:59 <K2> brb
08:00 <krm26> if you ever drive to delray and take your daughter, stop over in orlando and my wife can give you the animal kingdom vet experience :-)
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08:19 <K2> heh
08:32 <krm26> this season the tv crew they have filming keeps trying to give her notes while she's working on cases and it is really pissing her off
08:33 <krm26> i've told her to stamp her foot, scream "i didn't go to julliard for 4 years for THIS", and walk off set, but she won't do it
08:34 <K2> good, she shouldnt :)
08:34 <K2> no drama > pissed off drama
08:34 <Hecubus> [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1040
08:35 <krm26> i can't believe you can have an arm shoved up a rhino's butt and someone is telling you to smile more
08:35 <K2> what she should do is talk to whoever runs the set and have them handle it
08:35 <K2> or she can just ignore them
08:36 <krm26> their screen time will just naturally self-select for the vets who like taking direction
08:36 <arahael> krm26: I just came in here, because I had a notification, and the first thing I read was...  "arm shoved up a rhino's but and someone is telling you to smile more".
08:36 <krm26> everywhere i go, i spread sunshine and rhino butts
08:37 <K2> rofl
08:50 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Gia Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1812
08:59 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Gia Fem Cha) destroyed Concrete's ghost, the former Pillager, on T:2942
09:03 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Gia Fem Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping an uncursed mithril dwarvish mattock on an altar, on T:3162
09:03 <K2> <krm26> so evilhack was 7.4% of junethack games but only 3.7% of ascensions <--- :D
09:04 <K2> 😁
09:04 <K2> 2nd most played variant
09:04 <K2> (we dont count vanilla)
09:04 <K2> splicehack gets more because of unique deaths i think, i dunno
09:05 <K2> the top two games i had to restore from crashes were gnollhack and splice
09:06 <krm26> i couldn't get out of gnollhack's first room, continual crashes
09:06 <K2> :/
09:06 <nabru> I played a few gnollhack games and didn't get a crash
09:06 <K2> bhaak should do a revised rollup that doesnt count post163 deaths
09:07 <K2> nabru you got lucky
09:10 <mobileuser> did the gnollhack devs fix the issues?
09:11 <K2> maybe? they pushed a new version in the middle of june
09:12 <K2> not updating to a new version in the middle of a tournament unless its something like a critical bug fix
09:12 <K2> didnt get any communication from gnollhack devs about it
09:12 <K2> i just happened to notice it
09:13 <krm26> i remember whining about my gnollhack crashes in #teamsplat but didn't do anything else about it due to laziness
09:13 <krm26> it was a 100% repeatable first room crash
09:14 <K2> for all the 'cool' things they add to the game, there's a list of things that they should do but dont that makes me not want to host it
09:15 <arahael> What's the biggest?
09:15 <K2> they've been around long enough, they could have easily become part of the nethack community and opened up a decent channel of communication, with both player base and server ops/other devs. but they havent
09:15 <K2> ^ biggest one imo
09:15 <krm26> i get the feeling those guys are super-young and have yet to learn many important dev lessons
09:16 <krm26> i remember what it was like to be young, which is why i think all young people should be killed
09:16 <arahael> It would certainly address the complaints.
09:16 <K2> i get the impression they are driven by $$$ - they focus a lot more on mobile platforms than anything else
09:17 <arahael> To be fair, $$$'s are super important to the younger generation.
09:17 <mobileuser> I didn't pay close attention, but I thought I saw them in the junethack and nethack-variants channels a lot?
09:17 <K2> not a lot
09:17 <amateurhour> they're in roguelikes discord as well as their own
09:17 <K2> they were there yeah, but i wouldnt call it 'a lot'
09:17 <arahael> I didnt' even notice.
09:17 <K2> in their defense, it was a greater presence this year than past
09:17 <amateurhour> I don't think they've done anything wrong or anything
09:18 <K2> amateurhour, its not that they're doing things wrong, its more they arent doing some things correctly. if that makes sense
09:19 <K2> example - as a dev and server op, i dont *have* to be active in the community. but I am because 1) I love it and 2) its the right thing to do
09:19 <K2> they arent really
09:19 <K2> they dont HAVE to... but they should
09:22 <K2> sgrunt was the same way, at least later on. he ran gh server, but stopped fixing bugs, and eventually started ignoring me after the nth time I had to ask for a game recover
09:22 <krm26> yeah, they are a bit weirdly opaque and secrety for nethack people
09:23 <K2> amateurhour have you played gnollhack on your mobile device?
09:24 <arahael> I can't find it in the app store.
09:26 <nabru> on iOS I think gnollhack is only available in beta. on Android it's available on the playstore
09:27 <K2> grunthack dev lack of support was a significant factor in how nethack on hardfought came to be
09:29 <amateurhour> nope K2 only on public servers
09:29 <K2> huh
09:30 <K2> figured you'd want to check out their tileset and sounds
09:30 <amateurhour> they should hire me to be their community guy
09:30 <amateurhour> :)
09:30 <amateurhour> WHAT IS UP GAMERS, new gnollhack just dropped and it is FIRE 🔥 🔥 🔥 💯 👌 
09:30 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Pri Ith Fem Cha), 848 points, T:1806, killed by a system shock
09:31 <NetSysFire> K2: honestly i wish some of your balance changes in evil were in vanilla
09:31 <NetSysFire> e.g detect food costing 5 pw and being level 1 and detect monster costing 10 and being level 2
09:31 <amateurhour> K2: honestly I'm glad some of your balance changes in evil aren't in vanilla
09:31 <amateurhour> :^)
09:31 <K2> but some are :)
09:32 <K2> there's small number of vanilla commits that reference evilhack
09:32 <arahael> I wonder if that's also because team prefers to converse in finnish?
09:33 <arahael> I guess the evil is spreading.
09:33 <amateurhour> the only thing I wish the gnollhack devs would do is have saner commits
09:33 <amateurhour> there's really cool changes and additions in there
09:33 <amateurhour> it's obfuscated as hell in the git history
09:33 <K2> evilhack has come a long way, wouldnt be possible without the feedback i get from all of you
09:34 <K2> amateurhour omg gnollhack git history
09:34 <amateurhour> like evilhack can take xnh changes and vice versa with relative ease
09:34 <amateurhour> because we can figure out what's going on
09:34 <K2> i admit, when i first started coding, my commit history with grunthack is... awful
09:34 <K2> but i learned quickly and started doing proper commits
09:35 <K2> we told gnollhack devs a couple years ago now? they need to change how they do commits
09:35 <K2> they listen? nope
09:35 <K2> 'some fixes'
09:35 <K2> 'fixed a thing'
09:35 <amateurhour> they don't _need_ to do anything, that's the point
09:36 <K2> 'a lil somethin' somethin''
09:36 <amateurhour> there's no obligations here
09:36 <K2> i know
09:36 <amateurhour> I could do my own thing for amateurhack and none of you can stop me
09:36 <amateurhour> not even the police
09:36 <amateurhour> my version control system will be zip files
09:36 <K2> it goes back to 'they dont have to do <a thing> but they really should'
09:36 <arahael> "some fixes", thats worse than nothing.  at this point they might as well have empty commits.
09:36 <amateurhour> "amatuerhack_1.3 (2) (5) - finalv3 (1).zip"
09:37 <K2> https://github.com/hyvanmielenpelit/GnollHack/commits/master <--- some improvement
09:38 <K2> but i still see 'various bug fixes'
09:38 <K2> from a few days ago heh
09:38 <K2> 'small improvements'
09:38 <K2> 'one more fix'
09:39 <K2> heheh
09:39 <krm26> "might as well be in haskell"
09:40 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Gia Fem Cha) destroyed dgoddard's ghost, the former Initiate, on T:4310
09:40 <amateurhour> haskell isn't really unreadable?
09:42 <K2> amateurhour, i'm surprised you havent made a gnoolhack page on the wiki
09:42 <K2> gnoooool
09:43 <K2> that would have come in handy for junethack
09:47 <amateurhour> I haven't edited the wiki ever
09:47 <amateurhour> I don't even have an account
10:00 <K2> :(
10:10 <amateurhour> I think gnollhack is fine to just yolo without any wiki reading
10:11 <amateurhour> it's kinda of hard to imagine doing that with other variants (imagine yoloing dnh)
10:11 <K2> its different enouhg, a wiki presence would be a good thing
10:11 <K2> *enough
10:55 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) murdered her faithful pseudodragon, on T:1
10:56 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Orc Fem Cha), 40 points, T:1, killed by a scroll of earth
11:20 <Not-e9d7> [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-1/±3] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/badac3bd736e...48e5fbdd01a4
11:20 <Not-e9d7> [EvilHack] k21971 48e5fbd - Fix: cross-aligned player priests blasted by crowning gift weapon (Mjollnir).
11:48 <K2> You hit the green slime.  It's slime splashes onto you!  You don't feel very well.
11:48 <K2> fixing that passive slime attack
11:49 <K2> what would read better than 'It's slime splashes onto you!' ?
11:52 <K2> it's is wrong lol
11:58 <amateurhour> get a thesaurus and replace each word with its longest synonym 
11:58 <amateurhour> YASI
11:58 <amateurhour> where the S stands for super-epic
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12:40 <Not-e9d7> [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-0/±4] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/48e5fbdd01a4...bfd1d6181ad3
12:40 <Not-e9d7> [EvilHack] k21971 bfd1d61 - Fix: passive green slime attack not active.
12:40 <K2> ^ enjoy that one...
13:11 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Mon Trt Fem Neu), 4 points, T:5, killed by an unsuccessful polymorph
14:18 <Not-e9d7> [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/bfd1d6181ad3...a2e93485178f
14:18 <Not-e9d7> [EvilHack] k21971 a2e9348 - Make looting less tedious.
14:21 <amateurhour> I LIKED it being tedious to loot things that was my favourite part!!!!!
14:22 <mobileuser> K2 you're on a roll! Don't listen to amateurhour :b
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14:24 <mobileuser> it does take some adjustment to muscle memory though, I think I mistyped a lot in xnethack at first
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14:37 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) murdered her faithful pseudodragon, on T:1
14:37 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 40 points, T:1, killed by a scroll of earth
14:46 <K2> mobileuser same
14:46 <K2> xnh and unnethack
14:46 <mobileuser> heh
14:46 <K2> and then i was like 'hey this is awesome'
14:46 <mobileuser> y i "why am I looking at my inventory?"
14:46 <mobileuser> dishes...
14:47 <K2> nooo not DISHES
14:48 <bhaak> amateurhour: all that free content, all the free fun you got, you should do your duty and give something back to the community :-}
14:50 <bhaak> which looting action do you mean
14:50 <K2> looting container
14:51 <K2> came from https://github.com/NetHack/NetHack/commit/fc19d1b4536d3acecf2b485a42e5976081af7e11
14:54 <bhaak> ah, but then the variant that is called 3.7 has catched up to the bleeding edge
14:54 <bhaak> I do wonder though why paxed removed the opening message
14:56 <K2> a lot of players msgtype=hide that
14:56 <K2> its still there for a bag of tricks :)
14:59 <amateurhour> but bhaak I already give the community the blessing of my presence 
14:59 <bhaak> exactly. if you want to hide it, you can. given that he added lots of messages for making it more obvious what happens, I find that removing it there to be inconsistent
15:01 <bhaak> amateurhour: how should I formulate that nicely ... your presence is not that much of a blessing as you might think it is?
15:01 <amateurhour> ouch
15:02 <K2> all bask in the glory that is amateurhour
15:02 <K2> and remember to shield your eyes from the glare
15:03 <bhaak> okay, I'm holding a pinhead in front of my eyes for shielding
15:04 <amateurhour> man this is ruthless I'm getting demolished here
15:04 <amateurhour> :P
15:04 <K2> not difficult to do :)
15:05 * K2 sprinkles lemon juice and salt on the wound
15:17 <mobileuser> I for one can't wait for amatuerhack_1.3 (2) (5) - finalv3 (1)
15:55 <amateurhour> :D
16:00 <Not-e9d7> [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±5] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/a2e93485178f...d3f1f62cb342
16:00 <Not-e9d7> [EvilHack] k21971 d3f1f62 - Add new #wizkill command.
16:00 <K2> that will make qt happy
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16:11 <Not-e9d7> [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/d3f1f62cb342...6a07eb2bc5b3
16:11 <Not-e9d7> [EvilHack] k21971 6a07eb2 - Don't allow fuzzer mode to use #wizkill.
16:15 <K2> !who
16:15 <Hecubus> K2: [hdf-eu] No current players :: [hdf-us] No current players :: [hdf-au] No current players
16:18 <K2> all the recent changes are now live. so becareful if you decide to melee a green slime
16:20 <Umbire> Oh yeah, you implemented the green slime passive at some point before now.
16:20 <Umbire> I'm trying to remember if I spotted that.
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17:45 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 2609 points, T:2793, quit
17:46 <krm26> justice for slimes!
17:48 <amateurhour> oh
17:48 <amateurhour> polyself green slime as wizard strategy
17:48 <amateurhour> you don't need to be able to hit anymore, they just need to hit you
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18:10 <amateurhour> it doesn't seem to work out that well in hell unfortunately
18:10 <amateurhour> and not sure if the wizard is somehow immune
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19:46 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Gno Mal Cha), 332 points, T:2383, burned by molten lava
20:05 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] gpsalmoncannon (Val Gia Fem Neu), 857 points, T:1721, killed by a piranha
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21:28 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] lgxia (Kni Hum Mal Cha) had a short sword entrusted to him by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:55390
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22:24 <arahael> Random general store in the dungeon. TWO magic lamps.
22:24 <arahael> Yes, this game will end badly.
22:25 <Hecubus> [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Cha), 13065 points, T:7550, killed by a plains centaur, while praying
22:25 <arahael> Shit. I was JOKING!
22:25 <krm26> were you tho
22:28 <arahael> Sort of, but it wasn't meant to be that soon!
22:38 <Hecubus> [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:1187
22:47 <Hecubus> [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 2893 points, T:2480, zombified by a human zombie, while praying
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23:15 <Hecubus> [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:1647
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