00:12 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] lgxia (Val Hum Mal Law) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:100506
01:17 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Bubble2 (Inf Ith Fem Una), 404 points, T:1010, killed by a little dog
01:45 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Sithrin (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:53585
02:10 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Sithrin (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) defeated Kathryn the Ice Queen, on T:53994
02:32 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Sithrin (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) destroyed Charon, on T:54525
02:34 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Sithrin (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) killed Cerberus, on T:54532
02:34 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Sithrin (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:54542
02:41 <Hecubus> [hdf-au] [evil] ogmobot (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 15073 points, T:8813, killed by a giant sergeant
03:48 <Hecubus> [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 3468 points, T:2153, killed by a death ray
03:48 <arahael> Death rays really are too common.
03:48 <arahael> That was the gnome king's death ray.
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03:59 <Hecubus> [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:697
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04:01 <arahael> K2: EPI: Perhaps the gnome king's level should be bone's eligible, as long as the gnome king is still alive or that edge case is handled? It's pretty darn early.
04:32 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Leeroy (Mon Cen Mal Neu), 0 points, T:3, killed by sitting on a forge
05:13 <Hecubus> [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 18983 points, T:5957, killed by a vampire king, while praying
05:13 <arahael> And likewise, perhaps mine's end should be bones.
05:14 <arahael> No need to worry about the existance of the luckstone there, I'd say - luck's slightly less important in evil, and you can get luckstones elsewhere anyway.
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05:42 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] ScreamingSkull (Inf Ith Fem Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:1293
05:43 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] lgxia (Val Hum Mal Law) had Ogresmasher bestowed upon him by Tyr, on T:103630
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08:35 <krm26> hah, found an aleax trapped in a closet; he had demonbane
08:41 <Hecubus> [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:664
08:49 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Rog Hum Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:4167
09:03 <krm26> goddamn i wish wraiths could see invisible
09:09 <krm26> black dragon i can't kill carefully ensconced in a little corner of the level i avoid -- so of course a quantum mechanic pops in when i'm quickly moving from stair to stair and whacks me right next to the black dragon
09:10 <musicdemon> that's just Rodney pulling the puppet strings :)
09:16 <Hecubus> [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 2879 points, T:2585, killed by an ape, while frozen by a monster's gaze
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09:21 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Cav Hum Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed greased +3 dragonhide t-shirt of drain resistance", on T:54927
09:25 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Rog Hum Fem Neu) killed Aphrodite, on T:7519
09:35 <Hecubus> [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:1396
09:40 <Hecubus> [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 1736 points, T:1763, killed by a giant bat, while frozen by a monster's gaze
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09:56 <Hecubus> [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 966 points, T:1612, killed by the Goblin King
10:05 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Rog Hum Fem Neu), 20702 points, T:12622, killed by a bolt of cold
10:09 <Hecubus> [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:1021
10:09 <Hecubus> [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (gnomish wizards), on T:1028
10:31 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Rog Hum Fem Neu), 1236 points, T:3113, killed by a magic missile
10:32 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Rog Hum Fem Neu), 350 points, T:178, killed by falling down a mine shaft
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11:09 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Rog Hum Fem Neu) became literate by reading Guards! Guards!, on T:5055
11:17 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Rog Hum Fem Neu) had a long sword entrusted to her by Mog, on T:5733
11:18 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Rog Hum Fem Neu) had an oilskin cloak entrusted to her by Mog, on T:6174
11:44 <NetSysFire> K2: i think i found a pathfinding/travel bug
11:45 <NetSysFire> https://i.imgur.com/Ztnn0Xd.png i want to reach < and when i travel (_) to < it goes through the shop
11:46 <NetSysFire> i think it might be because of the door and the trap in front of it in the top left
11:51 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Pri Ith Fem Cha), 839 points, T:2763, killed by a hobbit, while fainted from lack of food
12:03 <K2> pathfinding is unchanged from vanilla
12:04 <K2> not something i care to mess with, lest i screw things up
12:52 <krm26> man i want dragonbane so bad -- only access to reflection through a gold amulet or a gold shield :-P  but i've been CROWNED nooooooooo
12:58 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Sithrin (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) destroyed Kas, on T:55476
13:00 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Cav Hum Fem Neu) had Trollsbane bestowed upon her by Ishtar, on T:58458
13:35 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Sithrin (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) destroyed Vecna, on T:56153
13:35 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 468 points, T:1147, killed by a newt, while frozen by a monster's gaze
14:00 <krm26> 30k turns later, i killed Mr Momo! may he rest in peace
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14:08 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] ScreamingSkull (Inf Ith Fem Una) rejected atheism by offering a floating eye corpse on an altar of Quetzalcoatl, on T:3341
14:23 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Rog Hum Fem Neu), 6755 points, T:6901, killed by a giant beetle, while praying
14:29 <krm26> without being able to eat rings of increase damage i am really not in love with peak caveman damage output swinging any of the sceptre, mjollnir, or demonbane
14:47 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Rog Hum Fem Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3903
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14:52 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] ScreamingSkull (Inf Ith Fem Una) had Secespita bestowed upon her by Moloch, on T:4260
14:53 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law), 1196 points, T:3500, killed by a housecat, while reading a book
15:04 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Rog Hum Fem Neu), 4892 points, T:5684, killed by an orcish arrow
15:28 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Rog Hum Fem Neu), 1468 points, T:2970, killed by a sewer rat, while praying
15:30 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Rog Hum Fem Neu), 146 points, T:394, killed by a hobbit
15:41 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Rog Hum Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:1776
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16:01 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Sithrin (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) killed Geryon, on T:57589
16:11 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Cav Hum Fem Neu) killed Cerberus, on T:62147
16:11 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Sithrin (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) killed Yeenoghu, on T:57741
16:11 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Cav Hum Fem Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:62154
16:15 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Rog Hum Fem Neu), 7656 points, T:6418, killed by a rothe, while being terrified of a ghost
16:20 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Rog Hum Fem Neu), 523 points, T:867, killed by a gnome lord
16:22 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Rog Hum Fem Neu), 371 points, T:426, killed by falling down a mine shaft
16:27 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Rog Hum Fem Neu), 139 points, T:1016, killed by a sewer rat
16:31 <krm26> goddamit it k2, KICK eat brains? what the f am i supposed to grease to protect from that?!
16:32 <Umbire> just don't get kicked 4Head
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17:03 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Rog Hum Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:4889
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17:46 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Rog Hum Fem Neu), 9240 points, T:6775, killed by a dwarf lady
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17:56 <aosdict> wear anti-kicking boots
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18:29 <arahael> If I'm invisible and can sneak my way into a shop, do I anger the shopkeeper?
18:30 <arahael> After being told that invisible customers are not allowed.
18:32 <arahael> Seems it's fine.
18:32 <arahael> But oh dear... Seems I can't escape.
18:36 <arahael> One of my scrolls turned out to be cursed teleport. :)
18:41 <Umbire> Probably should've waited for the answer 
18:43 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Sithrin (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) killed Orcus, on T:58166
18:44 <arahael> Umbire: But then what fun would I have had? ;)
18:51 <K2> [backscroll] krm26, duly noted
18:51 <Umbire> YANI: Items dropped on altars by most monsters are treated as if you had placed them yourself
19:00 <aosdict> what do you mean
19:00 <aosdict> they flash colors and break your atheist without you wanting to?
19:01 <Umbire> Not that literally
19:01 <Umbire> Just that monsters that happen to drop items there IDs beatitude (if you see it)
19:02 <Umbire> With varying exceptions - vamps and the like wouldn't be caught (un?)dead near altars I imagine
19:02 <aosdict> but then this can either be exploited to altar-ID stuff without breaking atheist, or you decide that it does break the conduct and it's not really fair
19:03 <Umbire> True, hmm
19:03 <arahael> how would you exploit it in a way that it's easier than the alternatives?
19:04 <aosdict> lure monster onto altar, kill monster on altar, ez
19:07 <arahael> not many levels have altars so you can't do that on most levels...
19:07 <Umbire> That's not exactly an argument in favor lmao
19:07 <arahael> besides if you just put on armour to check its usually no big deal getting it off - lots of ways to destroy armour.
19:08 <arahael> so i usually find whatever helm and just slap it on.
19:08 <Umbire> Aos is talking with respect to how it impacts atheist conduct
19:08 <Umbire> Also that's less than ideal for multiple reasons
19:09 <arahael> hmm?
19:10 <arahael> i tend to bless identify as often as i can and with as much loot as i can carry.
19:20 <aosdict> you could make it so the items are only buc-identified if atheist conduct is broken, but that gets into the very ugly territory of having the game try to distinguish between a player who is trying to keep the conduct and a player who just hasn't bothered with breaking it yet
19:22 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Cav Gia Fem Law), 1321 points, T:2882, killed by a giant mosquito
19:37 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] ScreamingSkull (Inf Ith Fem Una) had a staff of escape entrusted to her by Moloch, on T:12705
19:38 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Cav Gia Fem Law) averted death (killed by an iguana), on T:4657
19:40 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Cav Gia Fem Law) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:5065
19:42 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Cav Gia Fem Law), 3031 points, T:5445, killed by a dwarf lord
19:49 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] ScreamingSkull (Inf Ith Fem Una) destroyed the invisible elron's ghost, the former Footpad, on T:14129
20:34 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Cav Hum Fem Neu) had Frost Brand bestowed upon her by Ishtar, on T:65371
20:35 <krm26> just dragonbane and ogresmasher left....commmmmme on
20:36 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] ScreamingSkull (Inf Ith Fem Una), 16408 points, T:15435, killed by a horse
20:37 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Con Orc Mal Cha), 80 points, T:139, killed by a water moccasin
21:08 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Storm (Wiz Hum Fem Cha), 2165581 points, T:81556, incinerated in molten lava by a salamander (with the Amulet)
21:08 <krm26> nooooooooo
21:08 <krm26> :-(
21:09 <krm26> !lastgame Storm
21:09 <Hecubus> krm26: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/S/Storm/evilhack/dumplog/1655017059.evil.html :: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/S/Storm/evilhack/dumplog/1651651260.evil.html
21:09 <Umbire> Classic death
21:10 <krm26> that death message is wrong tho -- he "drowned" in the molten lava without being incinerated
21:11 <krm26> had 35 charges of grease for his cloak too
21:11 <Umbire> Still submerged in liquid with 4 digit temperatures
21:12 <krm26> it is only, what, 1100C? that's nothing for 100% fire resistance!
21:12 <krm26> if you are fire resistant and breathing water, does the salamander attack still kill you?
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21:13 <screamingskull> honestly silly of mew
21:13 <screamingskull> me^
21:13 <krm26> that was so sad Storm
21:13 <screamingskull> thought you'd get a "
21:13 <krm26> you had so much grease in your bag!
21:13 <screamingskull> "You're stuck in lava"
21:13 <screamingskull> "You are slowly cinking in"
21:14 <screamingskull> and I was applying it religiously
21:14 <screamingskull> just wears off so damned quickly
21:14 <Umbire> You're thinking of falling in lava normally
21:14 <screamingskull> even though that damned rust monster will not eat a cloak, it rubs off
21:14 <Umbire> Salamanders use the same drowning attacks as eels, kraken, pythons...
21:14 <screamingskull> yes, i know how it works
21:14 <screamingskull> thought you still might get a turn or so
21:15 <screamingskull> if fire resistant
21:15 <screamingskull> so, if I had puit on my magical breathing . . . ?
21:15 <krm26> that's a good question, i don't know about that cornercase
21:15 <Umbire> You'd probably still die and even if you didn't most of your inventory would be ashes
21:15 <krm26> hesperides is dragonhide and immune to lava
21:15 <screamingskull> another reason I did not re-grease ... I was so damn flustered by the monster gen
21:15 <krm26> so if you greased it
21:16 <screamingskull> by the time I got over to the up stairs on 41 there were 30 monsters at the upstairs
21:16 <screamingskull> then player mopnster steals Amulet, telports to the other side of the level
21:16 <krm26> just remember, with -47 ac the # of monsters doesn't matter that much. keep wands of teleport handy and keep on truckin
21:17 <screamingskull> spent 45 minutes on level 41 by itself
21:17 <krm26> that is rough
21:17 <krm26> i never let an @npc get text to me during the ascension run if i can help it
21:17 <krm26> tp tp tp
21:17 <screamingskull> teleport wand were incredibly rare in this game
21:17 <screamingskull> i did have 4 in my sack, however
21:18 <krm26> next time!
21:19 <screamingskull> so, what do you meean about Hesperides?
21:19 <screamingskull> I did grease it?
21:19 <krm26> the bag of hesperides is dragonhide and hence won't burn up in lava
21:19 <krm26> if it greased the lava wont get inside
21:19 <krm26> so your bones will have nice stuff
21:19 <screamingskull> for?
21:19 <screamingskull> oh...
21:19 <Umbire> ...isn't it already oilskin-like by default?
21:20 <krm26> hesperides? no, it is a bag of holding, not an oilskin bag
21:20 <screamingskull> and fairly easy monsters for someone to recover all that damned loot!
21:20 <krm26> you can bet i'll be looking to find your bones on 39 with my current run
21:20 <Umbire> "In addition, the Bag of the Hesperides augments protection, providing one level of magic cancellation when carried, and repels water just like an oilskin sack."
21:20 <krm26> oh! shows what i know umbire
21:20 <screamingskull> someone told me here it was waterproof.   the that came into play sucked
21:20 <screamingskull> ^the day that came into play
21:20 <Umbire> I made sure to check when I wrote the page initially
21:21 <krm26> i'm gonna keep greasing it just because
21:21 <screamingskull> grease should stop thieves
21:22 <screamingskull> no easy way to tell in there is bones, though, right?
21:22 <screamingskull> only the Grand Puba know, right?
21:22 <Umbire> You're more likely to leave bones the deeper you go
21:23 <krm26> yeah it is pretty likely you left bones
21:23 <Umbire> Your spectre's likely to have whatever didn't go up in flames on them
21:23 <krm26> i should stop farting around and start descending
21:24 <krm26> spent the last 30k turns trying to squeeze a dragonbane out of my asshat god
21:24 <screamingskull> i just get so flustered with the mass amounts of of monster gen
21:24 <krm26> you didn't carry your vecna artifact?!
21:24 <screamingskull> I also screwed this one up by not being fully ready
21:24 <krm26> or did you rubber chicken him?
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21:25 <screamingskull> Not sure where it went, may have been stolen.
21:25 <screamingskull> was carrying it.... was just the eyeball.... which is OK for astral
21:25 <krm26> well, better luck next time Storm
21:26 <screamingskull> I was vanilla ready for the Wizard and everything ... but not EvilHack ready
21:26 <screamingskull> needed some spells, scrolls and potions
21:26 <screamingskull> there is absolutely no messing after you do all the rituals
21:27 <screamingskull> is the earthquake thing an Amulet thing in Evil or 3.7.0 NetHack as well?>
21:28 <Umbire> Evil yes
21:28 <Umbire> Originated from Un iirc
21:28 <screamingskull> that really, utterly screws pacifists.    I now resigns all further efforts to even *try* pacifist in EvilHack.
21:28 <screamingskull> Got rather far in 0.5.0/0.6.0 days .... got to Orcus with pacifist
21:30 <screamingskull> many pets, that I did not care about, died due to that
21:30 <screamingskull> is it an affect if the Amulet is cursed?
21:30 <screamingskull> or, does it do it all the time?
21:30 <screamingskull> ^effect
21:31 <Umbire> That's not an Amulet thing, now I realize what you meant
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21:31 <Umbire> It's potential Wizard harassment while you have the Amulet
21:32 <screamingskull> even if the Wizard is not on the level?
21:33 <screamingskull> "The ground is suddenly shaking around you!"     or some such
21:33 <Umbire> Hence "potential harassment", yes
21:33 <Umbire> That's the phrase used for all the stuff what happens while you have the Amulet and the Wizard isn't around
21:33 <Umbire> (i.e. not on the level)
21:34 <screamingskull> that is the phrase for Drum of Earthquakes
21:34 <screamingskull> and when that phrase is given, earthquakes occur....   several pits form all over the level
21:36 <screamingskull> that phrase is not used for all things.... just the earthquakes, is my point
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21:39 <Umbire> <Umbire> Hence "potential harassment", yes
21:39 <Umbire> ^as in, that phrase
21:39 <Umbire> !tell screamingskull I was talking about this -> <Umbire> Hence "potential harassment", yes
21:39 <Hecubus> No worries, Umbire, I've got this!
21:39 <Umbire> :1
22:10 <NetSysFire> i thought you were talking about a social issue but then i remembered this is nethack
22:11 <NetSysFire> YANI: when you pray because of sickness you get temporary sickness resistance. just like when you pray while suffocating and get temporary magical breathing
22:16 <K2> !tell screamingskull the random earthquakes that occur while on the ascension run do not make peaceful monsters angry at the player. see https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/667c7461105cb8b6b00c5151fe743f484982f431
22:16 <Hecubus> Will do, K2!
22:19 <NetSysFire> ...random earthquakes? so there will literally be a drum of earthquake effect every once in a while?
22:23 <K2> potentially. that's been in the game for almost 2 years
22:23 <K2> it can occur once you've obtained the amulet
22:25 <NetSysFire> til
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22:40 <Umbire> Am I correct in guessing you pulled it from Un
22:52 <K2> yeah
22:58 <Umbire> Yay
22:59 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] gpsalmoncannon (Bar Gia Mal Neu), 840 points, T:1700, killed by the Goblin King
23:28 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Pri Ith Fem Cha), 587 points, T:2309, killed by a water moccasin