00:07 interesting 00:10 -!- ArahaelWeb has quit [Quit: Ping timeout (120 seconds)] 00:26 -!- ArahaelWeb has joined #evilhack 00:29 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a paper golem, on T:6912 00:32 -!- ArahaelWeb has quit [Quit: Ping timeout (120 seconds)] 02:44 they signed up for their kin being sacrificed when they took the job 02:44 what do they think happens to those who would impede the mission of their god's chosen 03:15 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 03:36 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 03:47 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:7637 03:54 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 23639 points, T:8435, killed by a xorn 03:59 I forgot my AC was super bad. :( 04:58 -!- amateurhour has joined #evilhack 05:23 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:09 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 06:10 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:10 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 06:15 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 06:38 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 06:46 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 06:51 K2: one important difference between evilhack and xnh is that evilhack afaik still fails your wish after 5 tries, xnh allows infinite tries 06:52 check the spelling all you want, you ain't getting it 07:07 [hdf-eu] [evil] ScreamingSkull (Inf Ith Fem Una), 630 points, T:518, killed by the Goblin King 07:20 ah 07:44 After two failed matches the djinni should start making suggestions. "Maybe you'd like a nice blessed greased rustproof tin of green slime?" 07:44 great for the complexion 07:51 -!- Umbire has quit [Killed (molybdenum.libera.chat (Nickname regained by services))] 07:51 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 08:22 rofl 08:28 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Cav Hum Fem Neu) became literate by reading the fortune inside a cookie, on T:3298 08:38 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Cav Hum Fem Neu), 4559 points, T:4221, poisoned by an orcish arrow 08:41 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:48 can you throw pet xorns a tin and they will eat it whole? 09:14 [hdf-us] [evil] arnibald (Inf Gia Fem Una), 4055 points, T:4791, killed by an ice devil of Loki 09:47 maybe? 09:47 that'd be neat 09:51 [hdf-us] [evil] arnibald (Inf Gia Fem Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:2513 09:58 -!- qt has joined #evilhack 10:01 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:1835 10:06 I seem to have a weird corrupt screen here, far in the distance, which should be dark, I can see a potion, and an open door. 10:07 In regular dungeon. 10:07 It's as if I've had object detection somehow. 10:10 And it survives game saves. 10:10 K2: Want to take a glance? 10:10 I've avoided exploring that area of the map. 10:11 prob a tree there 10:12 What would that do? 10:13 we've noticed that anything like a wall, etc that is next to a tree, it becomes visible when it really shouldnt. exists in vanilla too 10:13 might be related 10:14 Oh, let me find out then. 10:15 Bones, too. 10:16 Not a tree. 10:18 huh 10:20 Yeah, it's making this to be a particularly spooky bones level. :) 10:30 [hdf-us] [evil] lgxia (Val Hum Mal Law) killed Cerberus, on T:92453 10:35 [hdf-us] [evil] lgxia (Val Hum Mal Law) destroyed Charon, on T:92530 10:55 [hdf-us] [evil] lgxia (Val Hum Mal Law) genocided two random monsters from class R, on T:93291 10:56 Heh, found "3 hits of acid". 11:18 Hmm, I can't seem to hit this ghost... Even though I'm wearing cursed gloves. 11:18 I guess it has to be blessed, not just uncursed. 11:43 yup. uncursed/cursed wont do it 11:43 in next version I may add a thing so weapons with a certain level of enchantment can also hit incorporeal beings 11:47 Intriguing. 12:13 [hdf-us] [evil] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) wished for "magic marker", on T:57238 12:16 Hmm, I don't seem to be able to dip my bone pick-axe into the forge. 12:16 At least, I mean, it doesn't incinerate 12:19 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:9314 12:26 [hdf-us] [evil] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed erodeproof +2 dragonhide helm of brilliance", on T:57353 12:27 Blegh, how do I get rid of this damned pick-axe? :( 12:35 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) destroyed the invisible dgoddard's ghost, the former Initiate, on T:10492 12:36 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:10684 12:37 [hdf-us] [evil] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) killed Cerberus, on T:57556 12:39 [hdf-us] [evil] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:57622 12:40 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a werewolf, on T:10945 12:41 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) tasted meat for the first time, by eating a mountain dwarf corpse, on T:10973 12:43 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 23060 points, T:11040, killed by a panther 12:43 !lastgame 12:43 arahael: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/a/arnibald/evilhack/dumplog/1656016006.evil.html :: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/S/ScreamingSkull/evilhack/dumplog/1656068485.evil.html :: [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/A/Arahael/evilhack/dumplog/1656078137.evil.html 12:47 Blegh, was getting frustrating towards the end there. 13:42 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Cav Hum Fem Neu) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:3620 13:45 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Cav Hum Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:3775 13:58 Arahael, any notes on your minetown ghost? 13:59 this the one that just died? 14:01 ooh man ring of freedom? sweet 14:06 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Pri Ith Fem Cha) murdered her faithful djinni, on T:4667 14:07 of course i get the 5% chance with a blessed lamp 14:09 isn't that irritating 14:09 i've done that three times in a row before, very demoralizing :-) 14:10 i am more upset about the pet 14:10 because i broke petless 14:11 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Pri Ith Fem Cha) averted death (killed by a rothe), on T:6260 14:11 ugh 14:23 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Pri Ith Fem Cha), 5062 points, T:8038, killed by a rothe, while dragging an iron ball 14:23 noooooooooo 14:23 don't have to worry about petless any more tho! 14:30 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 14:48 -!- cbus_ has joined #evilhack 14:48 -!- cbus has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by cbus_!~something@81-235-236-107-no92.tbcn.telia.com))] 14:48 -!- cbus_ has quit [Client Quit] 14:49 -!- cbus has joined #evilhack 14:55 noooo level teleport down to Aphrodite totally unprepared 14:55 these are the most ignominious deaths 15:36 [hdf-us] [evil] arnibald (Inf Gia Fem Una) eschewed atheism, by dropping an uncursed oilskin sack containing 35 items on an altar, on T:6770 15:58 [hdf-us] [evil] arnibald (Inf Gia Fem Una) had Secespita bestowed upon her by Moloch, on T:8116 16:06 [hdf-us] [evil] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) had Werebane bestowed upon him by Thoth, on T:57790 16:21 [hdf-us] [evil] arnibald (Inf Gia Fem Una) had Trollsbane bestowed upon her by Moloch, on T:9607 16:44 [hdf-us] [evil] arnibald (Inf Gia Fem Una) had a dagger entrusted to her by Moloch, on T:11600 16:46 -!- aosdict has quit [*.net *.split] 16:47 -!- aosdict has joined #evilhack 17:14 -!- musicdemon has joined #evilhack 17:21 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Con Orc Mal Cha), 90 points, T:270, killed by a steel dart 17:29 -!- amateurhour has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:32 -!- musicdemon has quit [Quit: Client closed] 17:37 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.] 17:39 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 18:07 [hdf-us] [evil] knnn (Inf Ith Fem Una) murdered Hecubus, her faithful lesser homunculus, on T:1460 18:08 [hdf-us] [evil] knnn (Inf Ith Fem Una), 879 points, T:1460, killed by an imp 18:59 oh snap...shoulda paid more attention, object detection is milky :-( only saved one for sokoban and of course i got ghosted 19:08 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Cav Hum Fem Neu) killed Aphrodite, on T:15605 19:19 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Cav Hum Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, acquiring an amulet of magic resistance, on T:16403 19:27 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 19:30 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Cav Hum Fem Neu) destroyed the invisible Arahael's ghost, the former Initiate, on T:18015 20:01 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Cav Hum Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:20967 20:39 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Cav Hum Fem Neu) had Keolewa bestowed upon her by Ishtar, on T:24241 20:40 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:41 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 21:02 uhhhhh 21:03 trap door to dl13. happen to be two up-stairs in my room so i pop on the towel to see which is the mimic. there is an arch-lich called Mr Momo waiting on the other side of the wall from me 21:04 Hubris death 21:04 Check the overview to see what killed their former owner 21:04 You know E-word, right? 21:05 who cares what killed him, his pet is the worry :-) if i can go up i'm not coming back down for a long while 21:05 https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/a/arnibald/evilhack/dumplog/1655426681.evil.html 21:06 looks like he died digging to the current level and his pet followed him 21:06 I care, because you might have to worry about that if/when you dispose of or otherwise deal with the pet 21:07 Right, dug at low health and forgot about fall damag 21:07 damage* 21:16 mr momo 21:16 hahah 21:18 i wish i had a prayer of hitting that arch lich with a potion of paralysis 21:18 i can use scare monster but that'll probably end with me surrounded by summoned dragons 21:18 hmm 21:18 looking like a boulder fort 21:18 Depends on the map layout 21:18 When covetous monsters flee they warp-skip across the map 21:19 So if it flees and warps outside of the room you likely won't have summons sprung on you immediately after 21:19 not gonna flee, i'll be on the up-stairs 21:20 Don't covetous monsters pick a stairway now? 21:21 that's a vanilla thing 21:21 A vanilla thing I recall K2 merging 21:21 Key word being recall 21:21 when k2 adds it i'm sure they'll randomly select between any stairs, holes, trapdoors... :-) 21:22 A vanilla thing I recall K2 merging <-- nope 21:22 i've never noticed a covetous monster in evilhack fleeing to anything other than the upstairs 21:22 Right then 21:22 In that event I'd probably dig past unless I'm certain I had the kit to deal with it 21:24 k2, are monsters who can summon nasties more likely to do so when denied other attacks by a scare monster? it has been my impression through fiddling with kas's 4 liches that that is the case 21:25 what spell a monster casts is random, from a switch case. the higher their level, the more spells they have at their disposal 21:25 so they don't get another bucket in the well when their chosen attack is denied for some reason 21:25 just my luck then i guess 21:25 not that i'm aware of, no 21:26 this is why weapons like stormbringer are so great vs rodney. whack him a few times, he's no longer high enough level to do doble trouble 21:26 *double 21:26 i think i'll still try the boulder fort route 21:27 I should probably note that on his article 21:28 Which, doing variant stuff for Rodney, so nudge me if you want prio on a given variant 21:28 Evil's already on-docket 21:34 what i just said about rodney would be true in any variant/vanilla i would think 21:35 I figured 21:42 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Cav Hum Fem Neu) destroyed the invisible arnibald's ghost, the former Idolater, on T:27232 21:44 how does type casting fit into order of operations? is '(int) a * b' the same as '((int) a) * b', or '(int) (a * b)'? i would assume the former, does anyone know if that's true/always true? 21:46 functional casts are higher precedence than anything but scopes 21:46 so (int)a * b == ((int)a) * b 21:47 Speaking of vanilla, K2, can Rodney attack/damage other monsters normally? 21:47 Or under conflict, or not at all, or what. 21:47 @v?wizard of yendor 21:47 Wizard of Yendor (@) | Lvl: 30 | Diff: 34 | Spd: 12 | Res: fire poison | Confers: fire poison | MR: 100 | Generates: unique | AC: -8 | Attacks: 2d12 claw amulet steal, 0d0 cast spell | Alignment: -128 | Flags: omnivore, flies, breathless, regenerates, seeinvis, teleports, nopoly, covetous, infravisible 21:48 damn i'm starting to think this was a bad strategy after 200 turns of aklysing the arch-lich and getting nowhere 21:48 Specifically talking mon v. mon combat, for the wiki page 21:49 he has a claw attack 2d12 damage 21:49 I'm aware 21:49 but, rodney has 100% MR, conflict will never work 21:50 But I'm asking specifically because of a possible artifact on the page 21:50 if you're aware then why did you ask? lol 21:50 He is incapable of harming monsters, e.g. pets or the high priest of Moloch.[5] The latter case is frequent in NetHack 3.4.3 because he may appear within twelve turns after you perform the Invocation,[6] and will immediately warp into the Sanctum to obtain the Amulet from the high priest. As of NetHack 3.6.0, covetous monsters won't attack the priest. 21:50 I wouldn't know if he retaliates against attacking pet from experience, been a while since the ascension. 21:51 there's no reason for him at attack another monster unless a pet started attacking him i would imagine 21:51 @e?wizard of yendor 21:51 Wizard of Yendor (@) | Lvl: 30 | Diff: 35 | Spd: 12 | Res: fire poison | Confers: fire poison | MR: 100 | Generates: unique | AC: -8 | Attacks: 2d8 weapon physical, 2d12 claw amulet steal, 0d0 cast spell, 0d0 cast clerical | Alignment: -128 | Flags: omnivore, flies, breathless, regenerates, seeinvis, teleports, nopoly, covetous, infravisible 21:51 dammit wish i had a wand of probing 21:51 And a pet would have to be p. high level to attack him to begin with 21:51 yup 21:51 Hence that assumption made about not harming monsters 21:51 now, for evilhack, rodney has an extra at_weap attack 21:52 so he can use weapons against you 21:52 And pets, yes, gathered as much 21:52 I'm just trying to work on the vanilla stuff currently before dealing with variants 21:54 hah, i may starve trying to aklys this arch-lich down 21:55 ok i see why that statement is truw 21:55 true 21:55 Oh? 21:55 rodney's claw attack that steals the amulet 21:55 the damage type is ad_samu 21:55 ad_samu isn't expressed at all in mhitm.c 21:56 only mhitu.c 21:56 Ergo, no damage to monsters 21:56 right 21:56 physical anyways 21:56 he could still cast spells at a monster i suppose 21:57 but, mon vs mon spellcasting isnt really a thing in vanilla 21:57 Yahuh. 21:58 ... huh 21:58 Hm? 21:58 either that's a rather large oversight, or was done that way on purpose 21:58 prob the latter 21:58 What'd you find? 21:58 Or is that re: mvm casting 21:58 what i just described 21:58 Right, right. 21:59 i knew about mon vs mon spells 21:59 what evilhack has was initally pulled from grunthack and then modified further 22:00 Go on. 22:00 that's it 22:00 Oh, it seemed like you had more. 22:00 other variants have it too, couldnt tell you exactly which though 22:00 Anyhow, the Amulet theft attack. 22:00 look in mcastu.c 22:00 for mon vs mon spells 22:00 What're the odds it steals said Amulet, or any quest artifact you have? 22:00 Noted, thank you. 22:01 alright, can't kill him in 1000 turns so i guess it is time to give up 22:01 good thing i'll never know if i'm giving up when he has 1 hp left 22:01 every attack, rodney has a 1 in 20 chance to stealing the amulet 22:02 *of 22:02 krm26: thanks for answering that question about casts 22:03 that also covers quest artifacts (the stealing) 22:03 k2, if this arch-lich started out as a cat or dog, can i tame it with tripe? i seem to recall something about "legacy behavior" based on starting animal 22:03 also covers invocation objects too 22:04 see stealamulet() in steal.c 22:04 krm26 I dont know :/ 22:04 i see arch-lich that early, i run 22:05 or more correctly, take out qt at the knees so he's slowed down, then run 22:05 dont have to be fast, just faster than qt 22:05 Kinda moot when they can teleport, innit 22:05 not if you're close to stairs 22:05 or a trap door 22:06 Also if you're boulder forting they could just be healing faster than you damage them, even if they don't warp out of your attack range to do so 22:09 jesus, Mr Momo is level 38, totally uninjured at 288 hp, -16 ac 22:10 yeah i do 2 hp of damage to him ever 4 rounds on average, whee 22:10 i'm going to bed 22:13 gnite krm26 22:15 qt, the code you wrote xnethack and glyph handling, how well would that translate to evilhack? or is 3.6.6 vs 3.7 too different now 22:18 Alright, trying to figure out how to rewrite this... 22:18 As his Amulet-stealing attack is only coded to be used against you, he is incapable of harming other monsters such as [[pet]]s with the attack.{{refsrc|src/mhitm.c|1449|version=NetHack 3.6.6|comment=The Amulet theft attack is handled entirely in mhitu.c; as such, it falls through to this line here.}} 22:18 ^what I have so far on that 22:18 trying to find the wording for the spellcasting thing 22:18 you'll get it 22:18 just write 22:19 or do what I do - slam your fists on the kboard until something coherent comes out 22:19 He could theoretically cast spells at monsters, but a monster has to provoke an attack from him to begin with since he's immune to conflict 22:19 And I wager confusing him is just as difficult outside of... maybe the spell/scroll? 22:20 Umbire no, he cant cast at monsters 22:20 there's nothing vanilla for mon vs mon spellcasting 22:20 *nothing in 22:20 Oh so he just absolutely can't period. 22:20 That's the part I needed clarified, thank you. 22:21 yeah... ad_spel, ad_clrc dont exist in mhitm.c 22:21 just like ad_samu doesnt 22:22 plus all the code in mcastu.c is for mon vs player only 22:24 As both his Amulet-stealing attack and monster spellcasting in general are only coded for player-versus-monster combat, the Wizard of Yendoer is incapable of harming other monsters such as [[pet]]s.{{refsrc|src/mhitm.c|1449|version=NetHack 3.6.6|comment=Both attacks are handled entirely in mhitu.c, and against monsters fall through to this line by default.}} 22:24 <@K2> yeah... ad_spel, ad_clrc dont exist in mhitm.c <--- disregard that statement. its true, but has no bearing 22:24 ^yes? 22:24 mf said Yendoer 22:26 i would change that last line to something like 'his amulet stealing attack is handled entirely in mhitm.c, and there are no provisions for mon vs mon spellcasting in mcastu.c 22:26 err mhitu.c 22:26 jesus 22:27 Bet 22:27 Brb also 22:27 -!- Umbire has quit [Quit: Umbire zaps a wand of digging!] 22:34 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 22:55 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Con Orc Mal Cha), 147 points, T:914, killed by a coyote 23:04 -!- hothraxxa has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:31 [hdf-us] [evil] arnibald (Inf Gia Fem Una) had a spellbook of detect treasure given to her by Moloch, on T:13040 23:42 K2: the glyph handling thing won't translate to 3.6.6 display code, it's based on the several 3.7 glyph refactors 23:57 K2: https://nethackwiki.com/mediawiki/index.php?title=Wizard_of_Yendor&diff=146261&oldid=145905 23:57 Hopefully didn't lose any information in that process