00:10 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 00:46 [hdf-eu] [evil] davez (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 3168 points, T:2929, killed by a plains centaur 00:47 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Elf Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:7890 02:48 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 02:55 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:56 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 03:03 [hdf-eu] [evil] davez (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 475 points, T:653, killed by a gnomish wizard 03:32 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Con Ith Fem Cha), 436 points, T:1697, killed by a lava demon 03:32 first time i got one 03:32 @e?lava demon 03:32 lava demon (&) | Lvl: 12 | Diff: 15 | Spd: 12 | Res: fire poison drain | Confers: nothing | MR: 40 | Generates: special | AC: -8 | Attacks: 2d4 weapon physical, 1d8 bite physical, 2d6 bite fire | Alignment: -7 | Flags: poisonous, nopoly, stalker, infravisible 03:32 @e?water demon 03:32 water demon (&) | Lvl: 8 | Diff: 11 | Spd: 12 | Res: fire poison drain | Confers: nothing | MR: 30 | Generates: special | AC: -4 | Attacks: 1d3 weapon physical, 1d3 claw physical, 1d3 bite physical | Alignment: -7 | Flags: swims, poisonous, nopoly, stalker, infravisible 03:50 -!- musicdemon has joined #evilhack 03:54 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 03:56 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 03:56 -!- elenmirie has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:56 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #evilhack 03:56 -!- elenmirie_ is now known as elenmirie 04:11 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #evilhack 04:11 -!- elenmirie has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:11 -!- elenmirie_ is now known as elenmirie 04:32 [hdf-eu] [evil] davez (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 1819 points, T:2367, quit 05:07 MFW a hobbit pickpocket made his way down to dlvl 36 xD 05:58 [hdf-us] [evil] musicdemon (Bar Cen Mal Neu) killed Dispater, on T:52785 06:52 how does bribery work in evilhack? I had 300z in inventory, but Dispater just attacked me 06:52 I think they require much more money 06:52 but I never bribe them so I don't know how much :-) 06:53 also, what weapon were you wielding? 06:54 +0 aklys of fire and +5 silver aklys of telepathy 06:55 oh that should be ok 06:55 the former a victim of an unfortunate cancellation incident. It was kind of a slugfest with dispater, and I needed to burn a !oFullHealing 06:55 wiki: Unique demons now ask for a significantly greater amount of gold when attempting to bribe the player for safe passage. 06:56 would be helpful to also say how much more :b 06:57 yeah, I saw that and it wasn't much help xD 06:58 the hybrid barb is kind of working 07:01 this wish for a t-shirt of decay was absolutely worth it. There are soooo many vamps in gehennom 07:03 I saw that Dispater wasn't resistant to sleep so I tried three zaps with a wand, but they didn't take. Must be the high MR 07:04 does cancellation remove monster MR? 07:05 by heart I say: only a chance 07:06 no, not MR, but there is a chance to cancel spell casting 07:07 not very likely against high level monsters 07:07 hmm, interesting 07:07 I have some pots of paralysis, but I'm saving them for the really bad demons 07:08 the really bad demons I tackle with boulder fort on the stairs / cursed invis pot / aklys 07:09 like Orcus 07:09 really bad :-) 07:10 do you bother with expensive camera first to blind? 07:11 also, what does cursed invis pot do? Do you wield and use 'F' to hit them, so they become visible and easier to hit? 07:12 no quaff the cursed invis once you have your boulder fort 07:12 it will alert all monsters to your presence 07:12 so the demon lord will teleport to you 07:12 would tooled horn work for that purpose? 07:13 no... 07:13 Gjallar would! 07:13 interesting 07:14 have you used boulder fort in the past? 07:15 -!- ArahaelWeb has joined #evilhack 07:15 if not, great use for a scroll of earth! 07:15 of course you need warning or ESP to know where they are 07:16 I've used it embarrassingly little, lol. I usually keep earth in the bag and then forget to use it, but your strategy seems really sound. I have three solid aklyses, so even better. I could even initiate the fight with full Pow, blast a magic missiles, then upstair > swap gear back to the mithril, for better protection 07:17 it puts me at -30 instead of -50 wearing the robe, but probably 'ok' from range 07:17 as long as you are in the boulder fort nothing can touch you. magic missile often gets the job done too, unless they can cast a reflection spell 07:18 -30 is definitely "ok". 07:18 I also have an 8 charge /oDeath, for true emergencies, but I'm saving that for the wiz 07:19 Sensible. 07:19 watch out for a monster with a wand of striking tho 07:19 you mean regarding the boulder fort? yeah 07:21 I'm also keeping some junk crap in my open inventory, to provide a buffer against cancellation effects 07:21 for graz'zt i think a boulder fort is mandatory unless he has a bones bag to shuffle through 07:21 that's the one dude that I think could really wreck my run. Is he optional? 07:22 random what you get 07:22 take the stairs down, look to see what demon you've got, then if nec cursed invis/fort 07:22 Cursed invis? 07:23 cursed potion of invisibility, the acme approved method of pulling a gating demon to you at the up stairs inside your fort 07:23 I'm trying to figure out which branch I'm in and failing, lol. There are all these dark squares I can walk on. dlvl40 07:23 and loads of bats 07:23 vlad's tower? 07:24 first level of vlad's tower. it is all empty, don't walk without flying or lev or you will instadire 07:24 instadie sorry 07:24 best to avoid everything and just fly to the upstairs 07:24 krm26: Odd, I'll have to look at it! 07:24 ah, interesting 07:24 after that you get 3 levels of his tower. vlad is a lot meaner than vanilla. if you are worried about losing permahealth you may want to boulder fort him too 07:25 2 guaranteed shambling horrors, in case you rolled some bad combos 07:25 like the stun/disenchant i got recently 07:25 You're handing out teh spoilers! 07:25 I had to learn Vlad's tower the hard way! 07:26 sorry -- i'll shut up 07:26 I mean, it's fine if musicdemon wants it. :) 07:26 yes, please XD I've been like an IRL week on this playthrough, lol 07:27 Falling down in Vlad's tower is pretty brutal! 07:27 so here is my vlad rec for a first timer. open level: fly on the bottom row all the way right, then up, bypassing as many vamps as possible. wear ring of pro from shapechangers if possible to speed things up. take the stairs 07:27 first tower level: shapechangers will again help with speed. 07:28 My second time I went through the middle, and got my flying horse dead. 07:28 one level full of weredemons. it can be a gating/lycanthropy hell if you aren't careful. ranged kills with a silver aklys or spells, or demonbane to stop gating, and pro shapechangers 07:28 beware the horrors if they are mean 07:29 boulder fort/cursed invis on the last level and aklys or magic missile vlad to death to avoid permalosses 07:29 profit! 07:29 hmm, my pet elder minotaur seemingly can't go here, because of the chasm 07:29 guaranteed candles, crystal plate mail, some other stuff 07:29 right. there is no pad on the out stairs so you can't whistle him across 07:29 leave your pets in gehennom 07:30 lifestealer is a good 2h sword to dual wield with sword of kas if you are a chaotic giant! 07:33 Can I make like a 'garlic' boulder fort for vlad, lol 07:35 you can rub garlic on your boulders i guess so the are more flavorful 07:35 i'm waiting for a demon with a clerical attack to cast stone to flesh on my boulder fort (alert k2!) 07:36 gra'zt casts a spell! a warm meaty aroma fills the area! 07:37 haha 07:47 'a cursed +4 gold rod of telepathy named Dispater's' hmmmm. Does this help with spellcasting? 07:51 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:2444 07:51 -!- ArahaelWeb has quit [Quit: Client closed] 07:52 -!- ArahaelWeb has joined #evilhack 07:53 thanks for all the advice, gang. I've noted it all in my spreadsheet xD Took a spin back to sokoban to grab my neglected scrolls of earth, and I'll do some item dropoff pickup before taking on vlad. Cheers :) 07:54 -!- musicdemon has quit [Quit: Client closed] 07:57 -!- amateurhour has joined #evilhack 08:07 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 388 points, T:991, killed by an iguana 08:11 *serious* lag monster in my game. :( 08:12 round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 6.277/145.945/401.411/124.048 ms 08:32 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 08:33 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping a magical silver concave amulet on an altar, on T:5292 08:38 Gnomish Mines, dlvl 7> The horned devil bites! The horned devil narrowly misses! 08:39 That must be a bones. 08:39 or changeling 08:39 There's an unusually large mass of monsters nearby too, shows up on my warning. 08:41 I think I could probably take out the horned devil on my own, but not the mass of monsters, even if they're mostly 1's. 08:41 Might have to come back when I'm tougher. 08:41 Or maybe I'll dig down past them, fall in a random location on that level, hopefully away from the mass... 08:44 -!- ArahaelWeb has quit [Quit: Client closed] 08:51 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:7244 08:57 -!- ArahaelWeb has joined #evilhack 08:58 Nearly lost that battle with the horned devil. Turns out it's a follower, and backed me into a dead-end. 08:59 How many horned devils are there!?!?!? 08:59 Turns out that mass of monsters I was worried about? Probably all horned devils! 08:59 they can gate in more if they aren't killed quickly 09:00 they can also bootstrap themselves to demon lords so watch out 09:00 consider abandoning the level until you are stronger 09:00 > The dart misses the horned devil of Moloch. 09:01 I think I do need to run up, yeah. 09:01 They're followers, but I'm a bit faster. 09:01 ah, that implies someone converted an altar and got a boned devil 09:01 so probably an orctown bones if you are in the mines? 09:01 Yeah, sounds like it. 09:02 !whereis Arahael 09:02 krm26: [hdf-au] Arahael [evil]: (Mon Hum Fem Neu) T:3771 The Gnomish Mines level: 6 09:02 yeah i would leave and come back when you have blessed gloves (for the ghost) and are at least level...8ish? 09:02 10ish maybe? 09:03 8-ish at least might work. 09:03 unless you've got a frost horn or something 09:03 I'm 7-ish, and I can barely cope with one at a time - and it's way too close. 09:03 Yeah, nothing. 09:03 if it takes more than 4/5 rounds to kill one you have a significant chance they will gate in another, or a worse one 09:03 so you want to be able to get them in i'd say 3 rounds or less 09:03 Definitely taking me longer than that. 09:04 Ooh, I should enhance my martial arts. 09:04 some games, it has gotta be sokoban first :-) 09:04 This might be one of them! 09:09 Soko stairs is on... The nymph level. :( 09:15 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:9654 09:18 A swarm of Mordor orcs in Soko... One with a wand of striking... 09:19 isn't that awesome? it is best when they grab the scroll of earth, read it, and then start blasting away 09:19 One shot sent me down to 7 hp. Yep, it's good. 09:19 Somehow survived the swarm. 09:20 At least I'm Xp 8 now, though. But given the swarm of bone devils that awaits me, probably best I get up a bit higher. Those are mostly 1's, but there was a 2 in the mix. 09:23 as long as they dont hit a boulder with the wand of striking! 09:24 They only got one shot! I stayed away from the boulders! 09:24 Hmm, a wand of lightning. 09:24 -!- qt has joined #evilhack 09:29 [hdf-au] [evil] Tangles (Tou Hob Mal Neu), 383 points, T:423, killed by an arrow 09:32 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had Luck Blade bestowed upon him by Huan Ti, on T:11926 09:32 And a red naga! Not having much luck with the monster generation in this game! 09:32 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 30251 points, T:11972, killed by a Grey-elf 09:33 TWO of them! 09:34 red nagas are good eatin'! Too bad you are a monk 09:38 And too bad my AC is 4. FOUR! 09:49 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:6026 09:49 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) polymorphed her first object, on T:6030 09:51 i am definitely gonna do some sokoban nurse dancing -- tortle monks are sooooo squishy 09:57 That polymorphing was poly'ing a giant mimic into a stone golem. 09:57 Somehow easier. 09:58 krm26: You can thank me for asking to fix the enshelling.:D Haven't really figured out how to use the enshelling effectively though. 10:02 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 10:11 enshelling utility seems to be restricted to very early game 10:11 And even then, it's not fantastic. 10:11 [hdf-au] [evil] Tangles (Val Gia Fem Law) became literate by reading The Blacksmith's Cookbook, on T:4557 10:11 But it's fun! 10:13 [hdf-au] [evil] Tangles (Val Gia Fem Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:4691 10:16 -!- terrapin has joined #evilhack 10:17 k2: forging has supercharged my ocd. now i collect every arrow, crossbow bolt, knife, dart, and dagger for shuriken forging 10:18 mission accomplished 10:19 i do not like how the forge i've staged my 8000 pounds of forging mats at just up and disappears 10:19 you must have forged something that had an obj prop 10:19 that's the goal 10:19 what are the odds on that? 10:19 i added this to the etherpad the other day - https://www.hardfought.org/etherpad/p/EvilHack#L37 10:19 OCD rejoice 10:19 odds are low 10:20 i already like to pick up everything and box it 10:20 "oubliette" -- hole that only items will fit in that goes nowhere 10:20 oooh that's neat 10:21 monsters gotta poop somewhere! 10:22 doh 10:23 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 13608 points, T:7371, killed by a mountain centaur 10:23 That was a constantly tough as heck game. 10:23 K2 dnh has a monster that picks up all the dungeon junk 10:23 gelatinous cubes hoover up some stuff 10:23 and if it's cursed banishes it to hell 10:23 sorry Arahael 10:24 Was kind of fun, but frustrating I got completely overwhelmed. I was trying to run away. 10:24 hah 10:24 to what amateurhour said 10:24 not arahael's death 10:24 Suuuuuuure! 10:24 :P 10:25 I must sleep, and recuperate from this pain and heckling. :D 10:25 G'night! 10:26 sleep well 10:26 Thanks. :) 10:26 gnite arahael o/ 10:27 Continue eating? [yn] (n) n 10:27 You finish eating the lesser homunculus corpse. 10:27 odd 10:31 -!- ArahaelWeb has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:34 terrapin: that's interesting. maybe you got the prompt when you were on the very last bite of food or something? 10:35 yeah, it seems like that's what happens when you're on the very last bite of the meal 10:49 yeah probably 10:49 -!- terrapin has quit [Quit: terrapin jumps into a trap door!] 10:56 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 10:58 i do NOT like bidirectional vision 12:16 [hdf-us] [evil] arnibald (Inf Gia Mal Una) polymorphed his first object, on T:3932 12:22 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 12:25 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 1785 points, T:2410, killed by a manes 12:25 [hdf-eu] [evil] ScreamingSkull (Wiz Elf Fem Neu), 136 points, T:1481, killed by an arrow 12:27 [hdf-eu] [evil] ScreamingSkull (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 0 points, T:118, killed by a system shock 12:30 [hdf-eu] [evil] ScreamingSkull (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 2 points, T:389, killed by a water moccasin 12:30 i am totally in love with blowing up magic traps with cancellation, i think i like that more than the hand of vecna 12:31 [hdf-eu] [evil] ScreamingSkull (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 2 points, T:187, killed by a crossbow bolt 12:32 [hdf-eu] [evil] ScreamingSkull (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 0 points, T:13, killed by a fox 12:33 [hdf-eu] [evil] ScreamingSkull (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 50 points, T:97, killed by a poisonous corpse 12:38 [hdf-eu] [evil] ScreamingSkull (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 133 points, T:869, killed by a bolt of cold 12:45 k2: was there some change in the past ~6mo or so that makes mounts a lot more common in the valley of the dead? seems like there are always a bunch of mounted cauchemar now 12:46 no 12:46 not intentionally anyways 12:46 any changes to graveyard spawn rates? maybe when balancing vecna's domain 12:54 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had 18 shuriken entrusted to him by Huan Ti, on T:3825 12:55 no, this difference postdates vecna 12:55 it is very noticeable (imo), though i've been weirdly rng'd before 12:56 it means for example that there are a guaranteed 3-5 saddles in the valley every game now where before it was usually 0 12:56 (anecdotally obviously :-) 13:02 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:5100 13:04 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 13:12 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Mon Trt Fem Neu) killed Cerberus, on T:66953 13:12 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 13:12 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Mon Trt Fem Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:66966 13:19 [hdf-us] [evil] arnibald (Inf Gia Mal Una) eschewed atheism, by dropping a +1 dwarvish helm on an altar, on T:4622 13:43 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 14:12 k2: do vecna and baalzebub also blow past the eyes of the overworld? 14:21 baalz no, vecna yes 14:23 ok 14:24 it would be cool if there was an in-game mechanic for the gazes it doesn't protect you against, where the first time they are used you get a freebie and warning message 14:24 [hdf-us] [evil] arnibald (Inf Gia Mal Una) had Secespita bestowed upon him by Moloch, on T:7000 14:24 of if the eyes would vibrate or hum or something when you first entered vecna's and medusa's level 14:24 just as a little poke 14:28 the mechanic for gazes it doesnt protect against is: the gaze affects you 14:30 [hdf-us] [evil] shadowrider38 (Mon Gia Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:7312 14:32 i guess there is that 14:34 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Mon Trt Fem Neu) just blew up her Bag of the Hesperides, on T:68082 14:34 god damn it 14:34 uuuugh 14:34 sigh 14:35 really need that MC1 14:43 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 14:48 i am really religious at doing that 25% of my games 14:50 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:8766 14:51 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Mon Trt Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (master mind flayers), on T:68252 14:51 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Mon Trt Fem Neu) genocided mind flayers, on T:68253 14:52 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 14:53 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 21911 points, T:8898, killed by a warg 15:36 -!- screamingskull has joined #evilhack 15:37 So, vampire pets are useless again? 15:50 useless in what way? 15:50 i had a lot of fun with a vampire lady earlier this month 15:50 nudge nudge wink wink 15:51 pet vampires will still change form to go under a door 15:51 even though they don't change form under normal circumstances 15:54 K2: I said this in #hdf but just to reiterate -- if you want to avoid this behavior, I think this is probably enough https://termbin.com/opkn 15:54 [hdf-us] [evil] kewldewd (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 1120 points, T:1689, quit 15:56 screamingskull. you're right that PFSC doesn't affect pets in evilhack 15:56 I had no idea 15:57 I don't think that has changed though. it's still in the code. your pet vampire probably just happened to change back on the turn you put on the ring? 16:00 I do not want to confused this conversation 16:00 I accidentally posted this in the hardfought section at first 16:00 qt just confirmed it in an old, parked screamingskull game I have. pet vampire with locked door does not change into fog cloud form 16:01 My pets were on Vecna's locate level with no monsters that could have killed the bats. 16:02 I went down a level to identify the vampire mage on Kas' level with PFSC 16:02 came back up with ring still on and pet vamire bat vampire mages became vampire mages 16:03 screamingskull: did you say there was a recent change to make monsters go through doors/iron bars? 16:03 vampire pets now change into fog cloud form, which makes them useless. they lose their levels gained as a vampire mage and their armor 16:03 yes 16:04 when was that? i'm missing it in the commit history 16:04 maybe it has a weird title or something 16:04 current game I playing as Storm had a vampire mage pet went through a locked door, turning into a fog cloud 16:04 ^I am playing I swear I know how to type! :) 16:04 ok but when was the change you're referring to, that makes monsters more willing to go through iron bars 16:04 is that just conjecture based on what happened in your game? 16:04 or do you remember a change like that being implemented? 16:05 qt I don't know if it's related, but I have noticed that if I put on a ring of protection vs shape changers, the shape changers seem to briefly turn into their alternate forms 16:06 I never said iron, did I? not sure if I did or not? do not think I did? 16:06 screamingskull is definitely right that when K2 prevented protection from shapechangers affecting pets, he didn't handle the "entering a new level" thing. only the "you just put on the ring" thing 16:07 screamingskull: you said this "They were not going through locked door/bars. and that was supposedly a change, purposefully, by K2" maybe I misunderstood what you meant 16:08 [hdf-us] [evil] shadowrider38 (Mon Gia Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, acquiring a pair of gauntlets of protection, on T:15433 16:08 ok, ok, I was searching the page for "iron" 16:08 I was just assuming, yes conjecture, it would be both iron bars and locked doors. 16:08 can always count on an archon to bring me demonbane 16:12 just confirmed 16:13 had to confirm as I was on the wizard Quest's last level with iron bars and doors! 16:13 pet vampire went through a locked door, turning into a fog cloud 16:13 have old 0.7.1 game where a pet vampire mage will not go through a locked door 16:14 ultimately, just want to know if this was on purpose, or a resulting bug trying to fix something else 16:15 sounds like the case where a vampire pet wants to follow you through a door or bars isn't handled? 16:16 I'm confused about what recent change would cause that 16:17 i had an issue with feeding vampire mages in bat form 16:17 I know how to change both the things screamingskull mentioned, but I don't see any recent thing that would have changed it 16:17 if you fed them too much they would die when they died in bat form ----- instead turning into a vampire mage 16:17 maybe it was only just noticed 16:17 not sure if he was working on that, or not 16:17 if you fed them too much? 16:17 they would die from being overfed? 16:18 they could eat a few corspes, get a few resistances 16:18 I could give a vampre bat telepathy, and others and it would transfer over to pet vampire mage 16:20 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Mon Trt Fem Neu) destroyed Kas, on T:70198 16:20 or maybe it is a specific resistance that kills them? not sure 16:20 I've given a vampire bat fire resistance and it carried over. 16:21 and I recently confirmed this behavior 16:21 tamed a vampire bat in Vecna's Domain 16:21 fed all sorts of food and gave it several resistances 16:21 how did it die? 16:21 it died instead of becoming a vampire mage 16:22 attacking a monster, HP loss 16:22 what killed it 16:22 what was the monster it attacked? 16:22 there was also an occurence of sickness killing it 16:22 however, I've always used zombies to get the vampire mage 16:23 it looks rather ill, but then raises as a vampire! 16:23 sorry if confusing the issue, I was referring to two separate times 16:24 the time I was referring to where I confirmed the behavior, I do not remember what killed it. 16:24 are their thing that would outright kill it ? live engulfing? 16:24 dman! 16:24 typoe cannot! 16:25 I'm not sure, but it seems possible. that's why I asked 16:25 I pretty sure it was just a mundane monster that hit it 16:26 it is weird behavior, that is for sure 16:26 like i said, not sure if it one specific resistance that causes them to die, or if it is receiving too many of them? 16:27 well, I don't know, screamingskull. I just tried to reproduce it (with engulfing) -- got a tame vampire mage in bat form, fed it a bunch of molds so it got cold and fire res, and then had a purple worm swallow it. but it turned back into a vampire mage 16:27 I have had it happen 4 times now 16:27 are you absolutely sure you didn't just tame a normal vampire bat 16:27 yes 16:27 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Mon Trt Fem Neu) destroyed Vecna, on T:70351 16:27 I go though a process to tame vampire mages 16:27 next time it happens mention it right away so we can find the ttyrec. or if you know when it happened, try to find the ttyrec. being able to see the actual ttyrec would be really helpful 16:27 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Mon Trt Fem Neu) genocided alhoons, on T:70356 16:28 I always put on a ring of protection from shape changes, and then name the monster, remove the ring so that they become a bat again 16:28 then tame the bat 16:28 then, feed a bat resistance-granting corpses 16:28 I confirmed it completely, not only by actions, but reviewing TTY recently 16:28 geez, dragonbane/flying or hand of vecna/reflection? 16:29 if you can find the ttyrec send it over, it might be helpful to identify what happened 16:29 I always double-check to make cetain I name the proper bat as a campire mag 16:29 i guess i can't use the hand of vecna without giving up mr or reflection 16:29 vampire mage^ 16:29 damn 16:29 the wonkiness with tame vampires isn't something done deliberately, it was just an oversight when trying to address it initally 16:29 i dunno why you think it would be deliberate 16:30 a bug can be just that, a bug 16:30 so frustrating k2! 16:30 it was not an accuation, just curious 16:30 K2: this ought to address the things that were missed in a540407 and 88a376b which screamingskull pointed outhttps://termbin.com/jo8s 16:30 can't use the hand without exposing myself to losing mr from quest artifact theft 16:30 was not sure if you wanted it to go back to that behavior, is all 16:31 thanks qt 16:31 I have no idea why vampires being willing to go into fog cloud form to go under a door would be a new thing. looking at the code for 0.6.0 it looks exactly the same to me 16:32 once again, just trying to be helpful 16:32 being autistic sucks 16:32 i am sorry i do notr knopw how to interact 16:32 was just bringing up a point 16:33 you're fine 16:33 i'm still salty from my recent sporkhack astral splat 16:33 of which, I did notice 16:33 sucked 16:34 you were low/mid 30,000 turns 16:34 would have been amazing 16:34 unforced error 16:34 i meant to tele away the angels to my left and zapped ahead of me instead, right where pestillence corpse was 16:35 dumb 16:39 all that said — if you wanted to go back to vanilla vampire behavior, that would be your call it was just my opinion that it would make them useless 16:39 EvilHack's revisions made having pet vampires fun again 16:40 you add to that all of the equipment updates, all the more fun 16:41 like I said, was ultimately interested if it was on purpose or not — or if it stemmed from trying to address the odd vampire mage in bat from dying thing 16:49 [hdf-us] [evil] shadowrider38 (Mon Gia Mal Cha) had a pair of leather gloves entrusted to him by Huan Ti, on T:25993 16:59 [hdf-us] [evil] shadowrider38 (Mon Gia Mal Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:27552 17:17 [hdf-us] [evil] shadowrider38 (Mon Gia Mal Cha), 111287 points, T:29520, dissolved in molten lava 17:18 ouch! 17:29 -!- musicdemon has joined #evilhack 17:30 [hdf-us] [evil] shadowrider38 (Mon Gia Mal Cha), 2008 points, T:1690, zombified by a human zombie 17:33 -!- amateurhour has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:36 [hdf-us] [evil] Storm (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) made her first artifact wish - "blessed fixed The Ring of P'hul", on T:59783 17:42 [hdf-us] [evil] shadowrider38 (Mon Gia Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:2805 17:46 [hdf-us] [evil] shadowrider38 (Mon Gia Mal Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3379 17:48 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 17:49 What are some alternate strategies for covetous monsters like Vlad, if I don't have a cursed !oInvis to aggravate them? I'm thinking about this interesting one: "turning undead while in gehennom". I *do* have polymorph ring and poly control....can I setup on the vlad upstair, poly into some undead demon, and aggravate vlad that way? 17:49 gjallar works 17:50 vlad should be close enough maybe for even a tooled horn 17:52 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Mon Trt Fem Neu) genocided two random monsters from class L, on T:71084 17:52 yeah, I could wish for that. I think the polymorph solution might work, though, and I could save a wish. Have you tried it? 17:53 i have not; i don't know anything about turning undead in gehennom. is that a thing i should know about? 17:53 musicdemon you have drain res 17:53 (note also that vlad is NOT in gehennom) 17:53 [hdf-au] [evil] Tangles (Val Gia Fem Law) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:5937 17:53 [hdf-us] [evil] shadowrider38 (Mon Gia Mal Cha), 7491 points, T:5612, killed by falling down a mine shaft 17:53 put a boulder on the stairs and just go find him :-) 17:53 but if you have poly you can probably poly up some potions of invisibility right-quick too 17:54 yeah, that's true. Also, I re-read the undead thing.. it's #turn undead, not literally polymorphing into undead. I misread it 17:54 got a drum? vlad is pretty close, beating a drum might work 17:55 why all that trouble to wake him 17:55 he is a fast boi, haha 17:56 not sure my aklyses are up to it, though maybe if I crafted a second silver one... 17:56 bedtime for me... good luck! 17:56 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 17:57 i just made 116 +6 silver shuriken to use on vlad 17:58 danggggg. You madman 17:58 forging! forge forge forge 17:58 disappointed i couldn't make any silver shuriken of cold or shock 17:58 I've got a stack of like 70 +5 arrows that I could turn into shuriken...just not sure about the silver material 17:59 (they're steel arrows) 17:59 usually easier to find the right material/properties on canceled +0 stuff, get a big stack, and then enchant 17:59 yeah, never found any silver arrows in this game. Twas a shame 17:59 silver knives or darts can get you there too 17:59 or silver daggers obv 18:05