00:06 [hdf-us] [evil] Storm (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) completed her quest without incident, on T:65673 00:12 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 00:13 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:13 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 00:17 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) averted death (killed by a giant crocodile), on T:5114 00:17 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 9734 points, T:5117, killed by a giant crocodile 00:24 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Kni Cen Mal Cha), 758 points, T:1147, killed by the Goblin King 00:39 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Kni Cen Mal Cha) had a dagger entrusted to him by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:3102 00:48 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Kni Cen Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:3865 00:49 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Kni Cen Mal Cha) had a helmet entrusted to him by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:3977 00:58 [hdf-eu] [evil] Concrete (Cav Dwa Mal Law), 321 points, T:903, killed by a little dog, while frozen by a monster's gaze 01:04 [hdf-au] [evil] Umbire (Bar Dwa Mal Neu) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:14417 01:15 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Kni Cen Mal Cha) had a spear entrusted to him by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:7143 01:18 [hdf-eu] [evil] Concrete (Wiz Gia Fem Neu), 1498 points, T:1876, zombified by an elf zombie, while fainted from lack of food 01:22 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Kni Cen Mal Cha) had a pair of leather gloves entrusted to him by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:7759 01:30 YANI: Spellcasting monsters that have reflection cast on themselves will attack floating eyes. 01:30 (Tamed ones specifically) 01:31 [hdf-au] [evil] Umbire (Bar Dwa Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, acquiring a silver amulet of reflection, on T:15586 01:40 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Kni Cen Mal Cha) had Dragonbane bestowed upon him by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:9022 01:40 \o/ 02:17 Nice 02:17 meanwhile I autopiloted into cannibalism 02:19 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Kni Cen Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:10885 02:37 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Kni Cen Mal Cha) had a javelin entrusted to him by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:12940 03:03 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 03:10 -!- K2 has quit [Quit: *poof*] 03:11 -!- K2 has joined #evilhack 03:11 -!- mode/#evilhack [+o K2] by ChanServ 04:21 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 04:45 [hdf-au] [evil] Umbire (Bar Dwa Mal Neu) killed the Rat King, on T:18216 05:13 -!- Umbire has quit [Quit: Umbire zaps a wand of digging!] 05:20 -!- musicdemon has joined #evilhack 05:21 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 05:21 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:21 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 05:55 [hdf-au] [evil] Umbire (Bar Dwa Mal Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:18699 07:24 -!- elenmirie has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:27 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 07:27 has anything changed with invisibility mechanics in evilhack? I quaffed a blessed !oInvis and the invisibility wore off after awhile 07:28 [hdf-au] [evil] Umbire (Bar Dwa Mal Neu) killed the Oracle, on T:20294 07:29 Fewer permanent sources of invis 07:29 Permainvis is a magic trap effect now as well 07:31 ah, that would explain my confusion about stalker corpses. Makes sense, as the effect is pretty powerful 07:33 Stalker meat only makes you permainvis if you were already invisible when eating it. 07:34 yeah, I had a cloak of invis on and ate stalker meat and the invis wore off 07:34 (the intrinsic invis, I mean) 07:34 Ah, so that's a change then 07:34 Unusually lenient, thought K2 would leave that one. 07:34 Does the see invis wear off as well? 07:35 see invis is timed from most sources 07:35 crowning is permanent 07:35 yeah, in that scenario I mentioned before the seeinvis wore off quickly 07:36 You said invis 07:36 So both wear off now? 07:37 invis from magic trap is a permanent toggle 07:37 from wand too 07:37 cursed wand will turn you visible 07:38 so you can avoid the trap lottery, particularly useful for giants and tortles 07:38 I meant for musicdemon 07:38 The stalker intrinsics are permanent in vanilla, want to be clear if either/both wear off now 07:39 s/now/for Evil 07:39 yeah, both intrinsics wore off for me with cloak of invis equipped + stalker corpse 07:39 Right 07:40 it is a rn1(100, 50) timeout 07:40 for both invis and see invis from stalker corpses 07:41 I was too lazy to look up the enchantment 'safe' threshold and was misremembering it as +5 (it's actually +3). I enchanted my +4 cloak of MR and it vaporized. Will certainly never make that mistake again, lol. 07:41 musicdemon: Elven stuff is +5. 07:41 and hand of vecna 07:42 yeah 07:42 and weapons I think are +5 too? 07:42 I thought the hand could never vaporize from an enchantment, or something 07:42 yup 07:42 yes, hand will not vaporize past +7 07:48 something you may have missed about magic traps -- particularly the vile one blocking your way in the valley -- is that you can now remove them with a wand of cancellation 07:48 stand well back when you do so 07:53 I'm finally 100% sleep resistant :) 07:56 that's a lot of elves! 07:57 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Hum Fem Neu) had a blessed iron quarterstaff entrusted to her by Hermes, on T:28142 07:58 my god is angry at me, but I spent like 5K turns waiting for a diff 11 monster and got bored 08:03 sounds like you are waiting on too high a dl 08:03 [hdf-us] [evil] musicdemon (Ran Cen Mal Cha) killed Scorpius, on T:29368 08:04 ooh chaotic centaur ranger, that was fun. you wishing for the ring? 08:04 I've never made it past medusa, so I'm not sure what to wish for xD 08:05 [hdf-us] [evil] musicdemon (Ran Cen Mal Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:29374 08:05 ring of p'hul! magic resistance, sickness resistance -- chaotic only 08:05 and of course it is freedom 08:05 yeah, sounds like a great choice, since I lost MR 08:05 I have ammy of reflection 08:06 dragonbane + ring and then you can wear flight 08:06 or silver scales + ring 08:06 if you get the hand 08:07 of course you get reflection from the garbage bow too but i never use that thing 08:07 it is just a slotless source of telepathy 08:08 although with the longbow and intrinsic jumping and a ring of slow digestion you never need to swing at anything again if you don't want to :-) 08:09 I'll probably roll the bow so I can use amulet slot for lifesaving 08:11 not a big fan of lifesaving...guess i'd rather be a dead flyer than a live walker! 08:13 -!- amateurhour has joined #evilhack 08:13 haha :) 08:19 crap, doomed myself 08:20 whoa, your level is crazy 08:21 displaced off stairs without being prepared 08:22 i think i'll suicide by #turn 08:22 Seems unnecessary 08:23 i have no escape, impossible to get to stairs -- free action was shocked off, no tricks 08:24 Hmm? 08:24 how is your shield 'brilliantly lit'? 08:24 it is a shield of light! 08:24 there are also slippery shields (freedom) now 08:25 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Rog Hum Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:3151 08:27 where's the stair compared to your current position? 08:27 central right 08:27 ah, got it 08:28 clearing out the ghosts so i don't get frozen 08:33 I think you're going to make it out 08:33 you've cut the monster count basically in half and health is still fine 08:33 that's because i'm sleazing my way with scare monster 08:34 but you will note i haven't killed any wraiths because even death can't overpower my greed 08:34 lol 08:34 so when i step off the scroll into a thousand wraiths i'm gonna have issues 08:35 why do you not carry an athame and inscribe E? I've noticed many high level players have Elbe conduct intact. Is it that weak in this variant, or are you going for the conduct? 08:35 krm26: Why don't you just slowly pick off the wraiths as they come near you while you're on the scroll? 08:35 i never use elbereth, and of course at this stage of the game i have never seen an athame 08:35 musicdemon: Because once you can use Elbereth, you generally can get by without it. 08:36 i am waiting to kill wraiths until i have a chance of corpse recovery -- even on graveyard levels they leave one occasionally 08:36 musicdemon: It's nerfed in evil - rather less useful. And you can't fight while on elbereth anwyay - not without penalty. 08:36 krm26: Sensible 08:36 gotcha 08:37 musicdemon: Basically, in evil, every time soemthing would normally attack you, your elbereth has a chance of decaying. 08:37 Just did an elbereth just now in vanila - one in teh dust... Lasted basically forever, just went up to full health now. 08:38 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 2823 points, T:4881, killed by an Uruk-hai 08:38 oh wow, yeah in a horde scenario it would be virtually useless 08:38 now the real issue -- the giant priest of moloch has come to knock me off my scare monster 08:38 noooo 08:38 the full healing pot D: 08:38 he flamestruck my full healing 08:39 krm26: Where are you - and which region in particular? 08:39 Ah, US. 08:39 priest quest, mid level 08:39 oh duh, us yeah 08:40 You have a huge terminal! 08:40 Juuuuust missed you! 08:40 it is about 1/5th of my screen real estate 08:40 ---><--- by that much! 08:40 I'm on my laptop. 08:40 How'd you manage to hit the eye? 08:40 Oh, wrong game. 08:41 What's in the bag? 08:41 nothing 08:42 I'd use the lighting on the giant. 08:42 down to the dregs, gonna #turn and run for the stairs without killing wraiths if i can 08:42 And perhaps Elbereth your way out otherwise? 08:43 it would be safer to kill just enough wraiths for paths to open, then bolt 08:43 musicdemon: That'd be most of the waiths. 08:44 hoping to get one last irritating ghost 08:45 ta-da 08:45 nicely done :) 08:45 that was ugly and TOTALLY unnecessary 08:45 You killed a bunch though. 08:45 i killed 0 wraiths in that debacle tho 08:45 how were you originally displaced off the stair? 08:45 yeah, by a ghost that froze me 08:45 krm26: game log says otherwise? 08:46 i killed some wraiths initially by luring them up the stairs before i was displaced 08:46 if i hit any afterwards it was accidental 08:48 You killed a bunch. 08:48 oh, #turn probably killed some 08:48 but i had to #turn 08:48 Ah. 08:51 oh screw you wraith 08:52 Heh. 08:52 i have no bag of holding, so i was traveling light -- the source of all my problems. also means no pickaxe 08:55 [hdf-us] [evil] musicdemon (Ran Cen Mal Cha) refused to give up The Longbow of Diana to Orion, on T:30010 08:55 whoops, forgot to hide it 08:55 you've been a bad bad centaur! 08:56 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 08:56 [hdf-us] [evil] musicdemon (Ran Cen Mal Cha) killed Orion, on T:30022 08:56 doh, forgot i had a wand of wishing lying around 08:56 welp, so much for my god's help in this game 08:57 I found 46 arrows of frost :) 08:59 does the bow sometimes cough up arrows with properties? i've never investigated that 08:59 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 1663 points, T:2129, killed by the Goblin King 08:59 I'm not sure, but I found these from a trap 09:01 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 09:04 -!- musicdemon has quit [Quit: Client closed] 09:12 won the lottery! tame arch-lich 09:13 not a vorpal jabberwock but at least it is purple 09:15 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 1186 points, T:2953, quit 09:17 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 76 points, T:544, killed by a goblin 09:31 -!- terrapin has joined #evilhack 09:32 Off to bed, but... 09:33 K2: EPI: When doing a geno, the "mother" of the race is summoned (50% probability), if you kill it, then the geno is successful. 09:33 I don't mind if you don't do it. ;) 09:36 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Rog Hum Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:2664 09:39 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Sam Dwa Fem Law) killed Cerberus, on T:64013 09:40 woo! teleport control at last! 09:41 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Sam Dwa Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:64038 09:49 [hdf-us] [evil] arnibald (Inf Gia Mal Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:4761 09:54 [hdf-au] [evil] Umbire (Bar Dwa Mal Neu) chose an elven broadsword to be named "Orcrist", on T:23740 09:55 [hdf-au] [evil] Umbire (Bar Dwa Mal Neu) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:23747 09:55 heh 09:55 arahael dont worry that wont become a thing :P 09:55 Guess they learned their lesson after Orcrist 09:56 Shame, needed the sac fodder 10:03 [hdf-us] [evil] arnibald (Inf Gia Mal Una) became literate by reading the fortune inside a cookie, on T:6097 10:12 [hdf-au] [evil] Umbire (Bar Dwa Mal Neu) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Crom, on T:24069 10:15 -!- terrapin has quit [Quit: Client closed] 10:15 [hdf-au] [evil] Umbire (Bar Dwa Mal Neu) polymorphed his first object, on T:24118 10:29 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Wiz Elf Fem Neu) killed the Rat King, on T:16625 10:33 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Rog Hum Fem Cha) had a pair of gauntlets of protection entrusted to her by Kos, on T:11604 10:41 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Wiz Elf Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:18498 10:43 [hdf-us] [evil] arnibald (Inf Gia Mal Una) had Secespita bestowed upon him by Moloch, on T:8714 10:57 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Rog Hum Fem Cha) had a leather studded armor entrusted to her by Kos, on T:16702 11:03 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Wiz Elf Fem Neu), 34478 points, T:20063, killed by a chameleon imitating an arch-lich 11:05 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 1400 points, T:2307, quit 11:20 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Elf Mal Cha) killed the invisible Ixoth, on T:48987 11:21 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Elf Mal Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:48989 11:24 -!- musicdemon has joined #evilhack 11:35 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:3908 11:36 [hdf-us] [evil] Storm (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) had a staff of divination entrusted to him by Thoth, on T:73069 11:38 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) rejected atheism by offering a gnome noble corpse on an altar of Huan Ti, on T:4259 11:41 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 8567 points, T:4317, killed by an orcish priest of Huan Ti, while paralyzed by a monster 11:42 -!- Umbire is now known as Guest9318 11:42 -!- Guest9318 has quit [Killed (molybdenum.libera.chat (Nickname regained by services))] 11:42 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 11:43 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 11:45 What enchantment level would Orcrist be at a 1563 sell price? I'm scratching my head on this one. There are no racial shopkeeper adjustments, and this vendor has a 50% sell price for goods. The wiki has this at a 2000z base price, and I don't see any changes on the evilhack wiki page. I'm assuming there are no price adjustments related to material, 11:45 because all artifact materials are fixed, but maybe that's incorrect. 11:48 [hdf-au] [evil] Umbire (Bar Dwa Mal Neu) killed the invisible Thoth Amon, on T:28295 11:49 [hdf-au] [evil] Umbire (Bar Dwa Mal Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:28297 11:49 nice job, Umbire :) 11:49 Done in with Magicbane 11:49 Also artifact prices are typically inflated lol 11:50 inflated from vanilla > Evilhack in general, you mean? 11:52 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Rog Hum Fem Cha) made her first wish - "blessed +2 dragonhide speed boots", on T:18708 11:52 [hdf-au] [evil] Umbire (Bar Dwa Mal Neu) had a silver shield of light entrusted to him by Crom, on T:28399 11:53 No, as in they're always sold for super-high prices 11:59 [hdf-au] [evil] Umbire (Bar Dwa Mal Neu) completed his quest without incident, on T:28717 12:02 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Rog Hum Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:19513 12:07 [hdf-au] [evil] Umbire (Bar Dwa Mal Neu) performed his first genocide (energy vortices), on T:28897 12:16 [hdf-us] [evil] telegarn (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:4578 12:18 [hdf-us] [evil] arnibald (Inf Gia Mal Una), 16998 points, T:9546, poisoned by an orcish arrow 12:19 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Rog Hum Fem Cha) had a small shield entrusted to her by Kos, on T:21605 12:22 musicdemon: there's also racial markup. If you're an illithid and the shopkeep is a dwarf he'll rip you off. 12:23 yeah, I'm a centaur and the shopkeeper was gnome, so no markup 12:30 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:3086 12:35 now that I know about the stalker temp invis, I wonder if it makes sense to tin stalker corpses and pop the tins before a known battle, to get an extra boost 12:37 [hdf-us] [evil] telegarn (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) destroyed the invisible post163's ghost, the former Conjurer, on T:4921 12:37 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping 29 steel darts on an altar, on T:3809 12:39 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Wiz Elf Fem Neu), 68 points, T:455, killed by an arrow 12:42 hah, reloading my game and almost had a heart attack, forgot i got a pet arch lich just before saving 12:43 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 5085 points, T:3920, killed by an orcish priest of Huan Ti 12:44 krm26 I'm super jelly, haha. Did you use a scroll of taming, spell, or harp? 12:45 poly trap 12:45 the only way to get good pets, whistle an easy dog or cat into a poly trap again and again :-) 12:45 it is the best, because you can feed the cat a floating eye first 12:46 I probably should get around to that :D 12:46 just gotta remember to give your super pet a unicorn horn so when they get confused they don't smoke you 12:47 I found a poly trap somewhere but didn't make a note *smacks head* haha. Might've been in the quest, but screw those trees 12:48 the petrified wood thing is cruel 12:49 should I be tinning elves after getting 100% sleep? Not sure if it's a waste or not. Intrinsic removal is fairly limited in vanilla, but I'm sure it's more prevalent here 12:55 scroll of taming and magic harp exists 12:55 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Rog Hum Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, acquiring a magic marker, on T:24031 12:55 if you're worried about intrinsic loss just stop playing at night :B 12:55 backup tin or two for each intrinsic is slightly more practical 12:55 > just stop playing at night 12:55 you'll ideally want it to be dragon meat also 12:55 lava gremlins have entered the chat 12:56 oh right lmao 12:56 lava gremlin? O_O 12:56 i don't bother with backup intrinsic tinning. if i did floating eye would be the most important 12:56 musicdemon they're like gremlins but do the ol' stealerino during the day 12:56 at the stage you might lose an intrinsic you really want you're probably able to reverse genocide for the right dragons or something 12:56 certainly don't backup tin anything sub-dragon 12:56 dragons increase resistance the fastest so 12:57 even better, never let a lava gremlin stand next to you 12:57 anyway g2g, later 12:57 thanks for the tips :) 12:58 o7 12:58 -!- Umbire has quit [Quit: Umbire zaps a wand of digging!] 12:58 careful taking tips from me, i poly all my lifesaving amulets into magical breathing and xorn them 12:59 I often just geno them 13:04 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 13:04 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Wiz Elf Fem Neu) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Thoth, on T:2156 13:24 [hdf-us] [evil] Storm (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) had Mjollnir bestowed upon him by Thoth, on T:74545 13:26 -!- screamingskull has joined #evilhack 13:27 WAIT. excellence also acts as a luckstone!? no way! 13:28 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Hum Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed greased +3 dragonhide t-shirt of decay", on T:30919 13:37 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed greased fixed +3 bone small shield of telepathy", on T:30963 14:26 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Hum Fem Neu) became Hermes' Envoy of Balance, on T:32021 14:27 crap 14:27 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 14:31 I don't have a lot of tools to manage ice/water (just one /oCold). Should I skip ice queen's realm and medusa's island and go straight to the castle? It's risky, since the only way back would be levelport. I do have tele control, however. There isn't much else to do in the branches before medusa, so I'm at this decision point. 14:31 i skip ice queen based on my ability to take out kathryn, which is in my mind primarily based around acid resistance, not managing ice 14:32 it isn't unusual to leave kathryn for after the castle (although can do her trash) 14:32 as for skipping medusa -- you have no lev, no flight, no jumping? 14:32 you kind of need something of that for the castle too 14:32 I can jump, but no lev or flight, and limited ?oEarth 14:32 so i wouldn't dig past until you have at least one way of handling that 14:33 sometimes medusa generates jumpable all on its own 14:33 have you seen the layout? 14:33 yeah, it's the fourth layout on the wiki 14:33 what server are you on? 14:33 hdf-us 14:34 are you close? can you show me? 14:34 yeah, I'm there 14:34 hmm 14:34 do you have a wand of poly? 14:35 I actually do back in my stash 14:35 if it were me if i had at least 20 garbage rings i would polypile rings and amulets for lev/flying 14:35 oh, that's a great idea 14:35 have you done medusa before in evil? 14:36 because she is NOT the same 14:36 yeah, one time 14:36 ok 14:36 first time i did her i was unprepared for her uberstoning melee 14:36 yeah, I'm planning on utilizing the jumping, though the area will be tight in that small room 14:36 offchance, you can go to kathryn, kill a few white dragons, and then white scale your ring mail 14:37 that lets you walk over water 14:37 but I don't have anything to manage the ice 14:37 guaranteed white dragons there 14:37 you just walk on the ice -- nothing there generally throws around fire 14:37 grease your bag of holding and don't sweat it 14:37 oh, ok. Yeah, I'll try that. No cans of grease yet, unfortunately 14:38 but I can poly a bunch of garbo tools and try to find some, right? 14:38 given your -9 ac i would actually leave the ice queen levels alone right now and do the poly trick 14:38 yes, you can poly for grease, but that is a low percentage return 14:38 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Kni Cen Mal Cha) had a splint mail entrusted to him by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:14811 14:38 yeah, all of my gear was destroyed in the great polymorph 'wand incident' in the quest level, so I'm using the backup gear 14:39 doh 14:39 I'm going to grab uncursed trash arrows for medusa, too, so I'm not using up blessed ammo 14:39 in say four zaps of 4 piles of ~6 rings/amulets each, you're gonna get lev or flying unless k2 hates you 14:40 you did send him cookies before junethack started, right? 14:40 hahaha 14:40 -!- terrapin has joined #evilhack 14:41 personal note: wear free action as your default ring, not tp control 14:41 always be free actioning 14:41 that's good advice, thanks 14:41 good lord man do not stay on that level 14:42 oh hah, mostly peaceful :-) 14:42 that is the biggest mind flayer nursery i have EVER seen 14:42 omigod 14:44 yeah, it's huge. Also, would you choose +4 mithril helm or +0 helm of speed? 14:44 my intrinsic speed was lost due to some dumb food choices on my part 14:44 speed 14:44 I can use this alchemy smock for kathryn 14:45 think of it this way: things get less swings on you with speed. even better than ac! 14:46 how many extra magic lamps do you have? 14:46 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Rog Hum Fem Cha) wished for "blessed +2 dragonhide cloak of magic resistance", on T:27626 14:46 one extra magic lamp 14:47 you need a melee weapon something fierce 14:48 saving up a stock of silver arrows for gehennom? 14:49 yeah, I have way too many 14:49 I have like four with oprops, hundreds of regular ones, it's bad 14:51 * K2 likes cookies 14:53 musicdemon: my first death in the ice realm was when someone hit me with a lit potion of oil while I was on ice and I instantly drowned. 14:53 that's rough -- no adjacent solid ground to climb onto? 14:54 it was in the middle of one of the giant ice rinks 14:54 it can definitely happen but i think i've seen a monster with a fire option less than 1 out of 10 times through there 14:56 it hasn't happened since. I always have a means of levitation while over ice now. 14:59 just out of curiosity musicdemon, what do you mean when you name an unidentified weapon "+2" or "+3"? is that the number of scrolls you've read? 14:59 enchantment after price-ID 14:59 or did they come out of a bones you dumplogged? 15:00 ahhhhh 15:00 man i am way too lazy to do that, good on you 15:00 yeah, I price-ID all my arrows. It's....hell xD 15:00 and probably wildly unnecessary 15:00 ocd is its own reward 15:03 mobileuser, with an identified enchant armor scroll you don't have to get naked any more 15:03 you can pick what item to enchant 15:03 (or repair, which is very nice) 15:03 i thought at first i was watching an interesting naked-polymorph ritual :-) 15:04 remember the more stuff you throw in a pile, especially non-blessed stuff, the more you risk shuddering; to maximize your ring chances you might want to just poly 4 stacks of rings 15:05 yell if i'm kibbitzing too much 15:05 do you mean musicdemon rather than mobileuser? I feel like mobileuser knows pretty much everything evilhack already :P 15:05 goddamit i do 15:05 must have mobileuser on the brain! 15:05 haha 15:06 hey mobileuser did you know that evilhack has a role called infidel? check it out! 15:06 [hdf-us] [evil] musicdemon (Ran Cen Mal Cha) polymorphed his first object, on T:32178 15:09 mmm...why do you nude it up before putting on rings? 15:09 i mean, not that we mind that you keep taking all your clothes off, but...? 15:09 why have I been summoned 15:10 because i am senile and can't type musicdemon 15:10 I was removing my clothes in case any of the rings was polymorph 15:10 now THAT is paranoid. i've never had a ring of polymorph hit me on the round i put it on 15:10 can it even do that? 15:11 in that case you would still only need to take off shirt, armor, cloak 15:11 thx amateurhour, I should try that some time ;-) 15:11 so mobileuser, while you are here, let me tell you how to read a scroll... 15:11 haha! 15:11 go team m! 15:13 in my head you have a sealed juvenile record for nameless and loathsome iniquities with a baby mobile 15:13 lmao 15:21 read it as Mobi Leuser then :-) 15:23 i'm getting really nervous about not having reflection 15:23 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Kni Cen Mal Cha) made his first wish - "blessed mithril amulet of magic resistance", on T:15636 15:23 EPI: wished-for amulets are always gold 15:24 wondering if i should go for silver scales or dragonbane 15:24 the potential to get the hand of vecna has really taken the wind out of the sails of an early dragonbane wish 15:25 i'd reverse genocide silver dragons except my arch lich would definitely get burped 15:26 plus my arch lich is probable the only way i would kill them :-) 15:26 you could maybe do the trick where you dig a lil 3x3 room and stand on square monster in the middle 15:26 not sure if that works but can't think offhand that it wouldn't 15:27 that doesn't work with engulfers without slow digestion 15:27 they engulf, open up a space, in pops the lich 15:27 when scared they still engulf? 15:27 i guess with non-blessed earth 15:27 ah you are right, i could scare+earth 15:27 what's the earth for? 15:28 you know, i dunno, i'm talking out my ass 15:28 i just like boulders 15:28 I'm meaning a lil 3x3 room where you're stood in the center, they can't run away they just derp around all scared 15:28 they are so big and round 15:28 they never get out of melee distance because it's just 3x3 15:28 alright, i'm gonna make that happen 15:28 i'll call it my amateur room 15:28 I'm not very good at describing things 15:28 but you can dig that into a cupboard and lock the door 15:29 good thing i've got an unholy potion lying around -- gotta clone it up, unbless my genocide, dig a little, and i'll be in business 15:30 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Kni Cen Mal Cha) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:15742 15:32 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Hum Fem Neu) had a spellbook of cure sickness given to her by Hermes, on T:33503 15:33 woo finally acquired a unihorn 15:34 horny k2 alert 15:36 brain finally caught up with fingers amateurhour -- the boulders were so my arch lich couldn't join the party 15:36 i'll just briefly leave him on another level, although i always freak out about him becoming unfriendly 15:41 I seem to have lost some of my luck, because my blessed arrows are mulching frequently. I never dropped my luckstone - could killing my quest leader have affected this? I know my god is angry right now 15:41 I maxed my luck about 10K turns ago 15:42 musicdemon in evilhack you slowly lose luck 15:43 the rate of loss is lower when blessed 15:43 always bless your luckstone in evilhack 15:43 and top up your luck from time to time 15:43 -!- musicdemon has quit [Quit: Client closed] 15:44 -!- musicdemon has joined #evilhack 15:44 crud, that's terrible news 15:44 well, time to choose another role! Haha, jk 15:44 what is your alignment? 15:45 chaotic. My deepest altar is dlvl 15, and I didn't find any sac-worthy monsters to mollify my god 15:46 yeah, that is a challenge 15:46 I have a boatload of un-ID'd gems and a peaceful unicorn level, though 15:46 if I max my luck, how long will it take to reset to baseline with a blessed luckstone? 15:46 if you type-name them, they are worth 2 luck each 15:47 musicdemon I don't know, blessed it takes a very long time 15:47 long enough to not worry about it 15:49 I'm glad I crafted up that +4 silver akyls of frost :) That can help until I get my luck up 15:51 no idea if this table is accurate but here's how long it'd supposedly take 15:51 https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/blob/master/src/timeout.c#L531 15:52 ooh, that's perfect. Thank you 15:54 looks like killing the quest leader sets your *base* luck to -4 as well, so that might be exacerbating the issue 15:54 ahh, I see the problem. " 15:54 baseluck -= 4; 15:54 if (quest_status.killed_leader) 15:54 " 15:55 I definitely did that so I could play a harder game, though. It wasn't because I accidently forgot to hide my quest weapon...yeah, for sure. xD 15:56 you gotta do all the degenerate behaviour AFTER doing the quest 15:56 :P 15:57 murder is a-ok once you've done the quest :)) 16:00 hah 16:00 quest leader = Big Brother™ 16:01 soko half complete, time for more yard work 16:02 another day another mowing the lawn 16:05 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Rog Hum Fem Cha) killed Croesus, on T:32294 16:07 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (two random monsters from class R), on T:3082 16:18 K2 evilhack should really delete that baseluck -= 4 16:19 the game positively encourages you to kill the QL 16:21 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:4642 16:24 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! 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This is assuming a blessed luckstone. 16:27 Not angry, quest leader fine 16:27 Timeout from 13 luck to 0:    200000 16:27 Timeout from 13 luck to 7:    28000 16:27 Angry god + Killed quest leader 16:27 Timeout from 13 luck to 0:    41700 16:27 Timeout from 13 luck to 7:    1800 16:27 Killed quest leader 16:27 Timeout from 13 luck to 0:    83400 16:27 Timeout from 13 luck to 7:    3600 16:29 I chose luck 7 because that threshold is where you see the mulch rate increase from 2% to 25% 16:32 so, I'm basically shafted! lol 16:35 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Rog Hum Fem Cha) had a two-handed sword entrusted to her by Kos, on T:33701 16:47 [hdf-us] [evil] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) had a spellbook of detect monsters given to him by Thoth, on T:15391 16:53 [hdf-us] [evil] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) had a magical dagger entrusted to him by Thoth, on T:15635 16:58 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:7233 17:11 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 17:12 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:8744 17:17 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed the Rat King, on T:9298 17:19 can I put an item on the floor directly into my bag? 17:20 -!- amateurhour has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:24 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) stole 11823 zorkmids worth of merchandise from Maganasipi's rare books, on T:9774 17:24 a heist! 17:24 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Kni Cen Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, acquiring a magic marker, on T:18317 17:28 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Rog Hum Fem Cha) killed the Master Assassin, on T:35817 17:29 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Rog Hum Fem Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:35819 17:35 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Sam Dwa Fem Law) killed Juiblex, on T:68706 17:37 @e?Boojum 17:37 boojum (J) | Lvl: 18 | Diff: 21 | Spd: 15 | Res: fire disintegrate shock | Confers: fire disintegrate shock | MR: 90 | Generates: special | AC: 0 | Attacks: 3d10 bite physical, 3d10 claw physical, 3d10 claw physical, 0d0 claw teleport | Alignment: 0 | Flags: carnivore, flies, seeinvis, nopoly, infravisible 17:40 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had a staff of healing entrusted to him by Huan Ti, on T:11476 17:41 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Rog Hum Fem Cha) had a wooden knife entrusted to her by Kos, on T:37171 17:47 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 17:53 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 17:54 [hdf-us] [evil] musicdemon (Ran Cen Mal Cha) averted death (killed by a death ray), on T:37938 17:55 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 17:55 wow. 17:56 uh oh 17:56 stopped using your bow for a second? 17:57 [hdf-us] [evil] musicdemon (Ran Cen Mal Cha), 225028 points, T:37938, killed by a death ray, while helpless 17:57 killed on the bounce? damn that's rough 17:57 :( 17:57 yeah, instadeath 17:57 oh damn, sorry musicdemon 17:58 but I had the bow and ammy of reflection, I was wielding the aklys because I wanted to conserve ammo, arghhhh, lol 17:59 hard lessons, but lessons nonetheless 17:59 me with hundreds of arrows: "I should probably conserve my ammo, just in case" 18:00 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Rog Hum Fem Cha) completed her quest without incident, on T:38517 18:00 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) polymorphed his first object, on T:14262 18:01 what had the wand? 18:01 fire giant 18:01 so you were stunned or something so you couldn't swap weapons? 18:01 nope, I moved in LOS and was dead 18:01 i meant after the life saving 18:02 my back was against a wall, and the ray bounced, and it got me on the bounce 18:02 ohhhh, single round two death rays, that is ROUGH 18:03 I was quite stunned, haha. Just bored trying to find dlvl 11 or higher monsters to sac 18:03 :-( 18:03 you've inspired me to immediately silver scale my armor 18:05 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Sam Dwa Fem Law) killed Dispater, on T:69383 18:06 @e?Dispater 18:06 Dispater (&) | Lvl: 78 | Diff: 40 | Spd: 15 | Res: fire poison drain | Confers: nothing | MR: 80 | Generates: unique | AC: -2 | Attacks: 4d6 weapon physical, 4d6 weapon physical, 6d6 cast clerical | Alignment: 15 | Flags: flies, seeinvis, poisonous, nopoly, stalker, covetous, infravisible 18:07 is bribery not a thing in Evilhack? I thought Dispater could be bribed, but I hardly ever tried in vanilla 18:07 i'm clueless, i don't carry cash 18:15 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, acquiring a silver amulet of magic resistance, on T:15671 18:25 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) tasted meat for the first time, by eating a floating eye corpse, on T:16472 18:36 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Wiz Elf Fem Neu), 1488 points, T:3848, killed by a bolt of cold 18:44 [hdf-us] [evil] Storm (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) just blew up his bag of holding, on T:77245 18:44 when can we get the 'A' removed from containers?   revised?   "O'ption to take it out? 18:46 'a'pply   put 'A'll items in 18:46 why does it even exist?    all is '/' 18:46 ^ all is '.' 18:46 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 92477 points, T:18761, crunched in the head by an iron ball 18:47 now in EvilHack it is made worse with Magicbane 18:47 i blew up hesperides with magicbane just last month! good times 18:48 thing is i never, rarely ever, do it due to bag of tricks, cancellation etc. 18:48 i wasn't even aware magicbane did it until then 18:48 gotta change its color in my nethackrc :-) 18:49 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 18:49 it is the absolutely dumb revision on containers in 3.6.x with the option to put 'A'll into a container 18:49 i do it all of the time....  far too easy to type an 'a' and then a 'A' 18:50 colors help, but not when it is and typed in succession. 18:51 and yeah, those gotcha moments suck, not knowing about Magicbane 18:51 but that is most of what NetHack is 18:51 live and learn 18:51 yeah i reliably blow up a bag of holding about every 5th game, and it is always from a bounced key that sticks everything in, including my emergency oilskin sack with the wand of cancellation 18:52  the whole 'A' thing is just a change that is QOL in reverse — it makes no sense! 18:53 just put the oilskin sack in 20 other sacks. 18:53 i agree that A is bad, bad, bad. 18:53 should prevent an explosion 18:53 and prevent using the wand too :-) 18:54 i wand of bag of impotence -- impossible to insert the bag into another container 18:54 wand/want, Freudian slip :-) 18:55 i think hesperdrille?   hesperides?   should be explosion-proof. 18:55 at least blowing up the bag mostly just turfs your 20 potions of full healing now 18:55 a % chance that it will not explode 18:55 should also be waterproof 18:55 [hdf-us] [evil] telegarn (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) destroyed Nightsorrow's ghost, the former Ninja, on T:6246 18:55 well easy to grease it 18:55 "the bag of hesperides won't open for your dumb wand" 18:56 and, yeah, that really sucks to lose hesperides in that manner, it is so nice for packrats such as myself, it is amazing what fits in there! 18:56 yeah it is rough without that additional carrying capacity, especially as one of the scrawny races 18:56 yeah, first thing I do when I find cans of grease is to grease the bag (unless oilskin, of course) 18:57 yeah, I do love illithids, and especially infidels, so I feel that 18:58 aaaah... thanks for the reminder.... thinking of reasons to continue... 18:58 the 1o pots of full heal is hard to swallow 19:00 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Rog Hum Fem Cha) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:40815 19:01 [hdf-us] [evil] telegarn (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 7773 points, T:6304, killed by a giant centipede 19:02 !lastgame telegarn 19:02 screamingskull: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/t/telegarn/evilhack/dumplog/1654312594.evil.html 19:03 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Sam Dwa Fem Law) killed Orcus, on T:70639 19:05 [hdf-us] [evil] Sithrin (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 12468 points, T:8675, killed by an exploding wand 19:07 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 19:19 @e?graz'zt 19:19 Graz'zt (&) | Lvl: 105 | Diff: 53 | Spd: 12 | Res: fire cold poison drain | Confers: nothing | MR: 85 | Generates: unique | AC: -9 | Attacks: 4d8 weapon physical, 6d6 claw stun, 4d6 cast clerical, 3d6 claw item steal | Alignment: -20 | Flags: flies, seeinvis, poisonous, nopoly, stalker, covetous, infravisible 19:26 -!- screamingskull has quit [Quit: Client closed] 19:37 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 20:04 huh, I zapped a scroll with a 'vanishes' wand and nothing happened to it. No changes at all. I did it a second time just to be sure, and definitely no changes. 20:09 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Rog Hum Fem Cha) polymorphed her first object, on T:42849 20:17 make invisible? 20:18 or am i misunderstanding what a 'vanishes' wand is? 20:18 I guess it's make invis, though I have no idea how I could see it 20:23 musicdemon: perhaps the monster is already invisible? 20:23 oh, a scroll. 20:23 yeah items in evil do not become invisible. 20:23 ohhhhhhh 20:24 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Hum Fem Neu) killed the invisible Nalzok, on T:35489 20:24 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:35493 20:24 if it was cancellation, it would have blanked the scroll. if it were teleport, it would have relocated it. 20:29 [hdf-us] [evil] musicdemon (Bar Cen Mal Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:2716 20:32 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Hum Fem Neu) completed her quest without incident, on T:35846 20:33 [hdf-us] [evil] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) killed Aphrodite, on T:18500 20:40 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Rog Hum Fem Cha) killed Medusa, on T:43586 20:41 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) murdered her faithful green slime, on T:81985 20:45 it's always fun when the double bones level is the same player from same cause of death, heh 20:47 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Sam Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased fixed +2 oilskin cloth elven helm", on T:71752 20:47 [hdf-us] [evil] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, acquiring a bag of holding, on T:19820 20:52 [hdf-us] [evil] musicdemon (Bar Cen Mal Neu) destroyed the invisible dgoddard's ghost, the former Initiate, on T:3396 20:54 [hdf-us] [evil] musicdemon (Bar Cen Mal Neu) destroyed dgoddard's ghost, the former Initiate, on T:3460 20:54 it was so nice, I had to do it twice 20:58 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Sam Dwa Fem Law) had Angelslayer bestowed upon her by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:71847 21:35 hot damn. just killed a player monster ranger, he had these 21:35 p - 50 mithril arrows of fire 21:35 he about killed me 21:43 -!- musicdemon has quit [Quit: Client closed] 21:59 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Kni Cen Mal Cha) had Dirge gifted to him by the grace of Manannan Mac Lir, on T:25167 21:59 D I R G E 22:03 [hdf-us] [evil] gpsalmoncannon (Hea Trt Mal Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:2014 22:12 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:4731 22:18 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 22:25 [hdf-us] [evil] gpsalmoncannon (Hea Trt Mal Neu) rejected atheism by consulting with the tortle priest of Hermes, on T:3809 22:28 [hdf-us] [evil] gpsalmoncannon (Hea Trt Mal Neu) had a dagger entrusted to him by Hermes, on T:4231 22:31 [hdf-us] [evil] gpsalmoncannon (Hea Trt Mal Neu), 2137 points, T:4660, zombified by a human zombie, while frozen by a monster's gaze 22:36 [hdf-us] [evil] arnibald (Inf Gia Mal Una), 1554 points, T:2977, killed by a guardian naga hatchling, while fainted from lack of food 22:41 [hdf-us] [evil] gpsalmoncannon (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 521 points, T:997, killed by a shattered potion 23:21 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Sam Dwa Fem Law), 1532288 points, T:79383, killed by Graz'zt 23:21 -!- terrapin has quit [Quit: A cloud of gas puts terrapin to sleep!] 23:35 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:59 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack