00:00 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had 15 shuriken entrusted to him by Huan Ti, on T:12983 00:01 Here goes 00:01 arahael: Nothing says you need to speak loud 00:03 [hdf-au] [evil] Umbire (Bar Gia Mal Neu) defeated the invisible Kathryn the Ice Queen, on T:66479 00:03 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had Fire Brand bestowed upon him by Huan Ti, on T:13110 00:03 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:13137 00:09 -!- terrapin has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:09 this elf wizard wants to fucking die 00:09 the way they keep firing missiles at them after I won 00:13 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 61111 points, T:13423, killed by a chameleon imitating a giant centipede 00:14 please stop trying to kill every living creature you only have 53 HP 00:17 [hdf-eu] [evil] Storm (Kni Elf Fem Cha) murdered her faithful cauchemar, on T:12814 00:20 Heh. 00:22 VaderFLAG   I think it is one of the best parts of the game as well . . . it gives a puzzle to solve (how and why did they die) and an opportunity to see if we can survive those circumstances!!. . . and I totally understand your comments/concerns and did not see it as bellyaching . . .  still say you could have extended your amount of angles 00:22 with thrown boulder, though . . .  :D 00:49 [hdf-eu] [evil] Storm (Kni Elf Fem Cha) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:14856 00:51 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Pri Gia Fem Cha), 2294 points, T:3260, killed by a piranha 01:03 [hdf-us] [evil] gpsalmoncannon (Con Orc Mal Cha), 163 points, T:1034, killed by a goblin 01:16 huh?    "You throw the blue jelly corpse at the cauchmar.  You miss the cauchmar, You feel guilty. The cauchemar hits! The cauchemar bites! The cauchemar kicks! 01:16 Since when  cannot I tame a cuachemar/herbivore with a blue jelly corpse? 01:18 I then tame it with a banana.   Throw ---same--- blue jelly corpse at the cauchemar: "The cauchemar catches the corpse. The cauchemar eats a blue jelly corpse." 01:18 On top of that — no cold resist. 01:20 [hdf-eu] [evil] Storm (Kni Elf Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, acquiring an amulet of magic resistance, on T:17244 01:21 try it again 01:21 first time would have been poison res but cauchemar already has that 01:22 not sure why blue jelly didnt tame it 01:22 tried twice...  was not generating conflict (not that I am sure it that could anything to do with it) 01:23 (to tame) 01:24 Nope.   second blue jelly corpse.   no cold resist. 01:25 Something really is funny with the pet resistance "patch" 01:25 i just tested blue jelly corpse, horse got cold res on second corpse 01:25 maybe it already has it? 01:25 had a purple worm last game that would not eat -anything- that would give it disintigration resist. 01:25 not sure how it could get it? non-bones, new level in  Soko 01:26 pets will see corpses that give intrinsics as treats, possible it ate a corpse that gives cold res earlier on? 01:26 that is why we need wands of probing to tell us what resists they have . . . ;) 01:27 they are rare wans, any way 01:27 wands^ 01:27 no, has not been out of my site. 01:27 tamed it in the treasure room 01:27 walked it out with a leash 01:28 have been riding it since 01:29 i've run into this numerous times with pets.    I always throw everything. they do not always get the resistance.... and then later on they'' eat something by themselves and I'll see the resistance message. 01:29 I know a gremlin can take away resists, but it happens on a consistently 01:36 same behavior in vanilla 01:37 so either the wiki is wrong, or its a bug 01:37 OR behavior was changed since 3.43 01:37 the wiki entry was made before 3.6.0 came out 01:38 there were no pet resistances in 3.4.3. 01:38 thought it came from a variant? 01:38 irrelevant. I'm talking about tossing a vegan corpse at a herbivore 01:38 and vanilla just recently added it? 01:38 thought you added it before vanilla did? 01:39 and 3.7 did recently add pets gaining resistances from corpses 01:39 yes 01:39 but again, i'm not talking about the resistance 01:39 oh.... yeah... if just referring to the taming aspect.... yeah, some odd bug behavior. 01:40 well, the last thing we were discussing was resistances, soooooo...... :) 01:40 never had an issue taming with any vegan corpse. 01:41 be interesting to know what could affect it 01:42 if i throw a lichen corpse (also vegan) at a peaceful horse (both vanilla and evilhack) it'll tame it 01:43 blue jelly corpse, shrieker corpse, nerp 01:45 forgot how cracked the regen on pegasi was 01:46 maybe what the game sees as vegan isnt what we think it is 01:48 S_JELLY and S_FUNGUS are part of #define vegan(ptr) 01:48 huh 01:48 in Evil, I've always been excited to get a resistance-granting corpse, because I know it will tame it and give a resistance all in one go. 01:48 brown mold, shriekers, etc.... I've done it..... 01:49 And I am pretty darn sure I've done it with jellies..... but, I do put forth that there is s a small chance I may be thinking wrong there 01:50 if the herbivore is already tame, yeah it works great 01:50 other things it will eat in an emergency will not tame them however, like gelatinous cubes 01:50 i'm currently at a loss why various vegan corpses arent working 01:51 i made sure the corpses were fresh too, nada 01:51 maybe there was a change in a recent vanilla build? 01:52 not sure why it would be changed though.... 01:52 like ponies/horses/warhorses can no longer be pacified with non-veggie foods. 01:52 that is a recent change 01:52 there arent any significant differences in dogfood() between vanilla and evilhack 01:52 "recent" it may be 3.6.x 01:53 if anything, in evilhack it should be easier to tame a peaceful herbivore 01:57 i've stayed up too late... gnite 01:57 night.... appreciate you looking at that 01:58 no prob, we'll figure it out 01:58 o/ 01:59 [hdf-us] [evil] gpsalmoncannon (Con Orc Mal Cha), 316 points, T:463, killed by a ball of cold 02:03 [hdf-us] [evil] gpsalmoncannon (Con Orc Mal Cha), 6 points, T:82, killed by a fox 02:06 Pegasus really isn't playing nice with the dogs 02:08 seriously stop it 02:08 he only needs to get you once peggy 02:19 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 02:21 [hdf-us] [evil] gpsalmoncannon (Con Orc Mal Cha), 339 points, T:1852, killed by a giant bat 02:23 [hdf-us] [evil] gpsalmoncannon (Con Orc Mal Cha), 0 points, T:8, killed by a sewer rat 02:34 [hdf-eu] [evil] Storm (Kni Elf Fem Cha) made her first wish - "blessed +2 Dragonbane", on T:19179 02:56 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Trt Fem Law) had a pair of gauntlets of dexterity entrusted to her by Shan Lai Ching, on T:9722 03:13 [hdf-eu] [evil] Storm (Kni Elf Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:21311 03:14 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Trt Fem Law) destroyed Arahael's ghost, the former Thaumaturge, on T:10990 03:56 -!- screamingskull has quit [Quit: Client closed] 04:11 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 04:19 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 04:24 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Trt Fem Law), 38836 points, T:12275, killed by an Uruk-hai, while frozen by a monster's gaze 05:15 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:15 -!- musicdemon has joined #evilhack 05:16 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 05:22 [hdf-us] [evil] musicdemon (Ran Cen Mal Cha) destroyed the invisible basilikos' ghost, the former Joshu, on T:20696 05:38 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Trt Fem Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:1893 05:55 -!- musicdemon has quit [Quit: Client closed] 06:14 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 06:32 K2 he made 2-3 wishes but I couldn't figure out what they were. 06:32 They were all out of line of sight, but his corpse left no clues 06:42 I'm glad you took care of those bones :b 07:19 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 07:44 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Kni Dwa Fem Law) destroyed the invisible gpsalmoncannon's ghost, the former Detainee, on T:5469 08:18 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Bar Gia Mal Law) wished for "fixed magic marker named Memories of Theft", on T:70652 08:18 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Bar Gia Mal Law) wished for "fixed magic marker named Memories of Ambush", on T:70654 08:21 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Kni Dwa Fem Law) had a steel dwarvish bearded axe entrusted to her by Lugh, on T:7774 08:21 i can't believe you don't grease your markers! 08:22 always use lube 08:23 From now on all my wishes will include "especially ungreasy" 08:24 hah 08:25 [hdf-us] [evil] basilikos (Sam Hum Mal Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:6576 08:27 * NetSysFire glares at VaderFLAG 08:28 is it water based or silicone based? 08:28 silicone is not an evilhack material (alas) 08:28 +2 frictionproof silicone toque 08:31 -!- musicdemon has joined #evilhack 08:35 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 08:37 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 08:38 wow this hobbit pickpocket had a wand of death but didnt use it 08:38 phew 08:39 maybe he knows it is cursed and primed so self-destruct 08:39 hobbit pickpocket not hobbit firstdegreemurderpocket 08:40 This Nazgul just dropped a t-shirt. No way it isn't a death metal band T 08:42 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Mon Trt Mal Neu) polymorphed his first object, on T:24782 08:44 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Con Ith Fem Cha), 4046 points, T:8978, killed by a hill orc 08:44 aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa 08:46 hill orc: "wow, this illithid had a wand of death and didn't use it" 08:46 haha 08:50 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Kni Dwa Fem Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:9318 08:52 [hdf-us] [evil] basilikos (Sam Hum Mal Law), 15199 points, T:7927, killed by a shattered potion 08:58 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Bar Gia Mal Law) polymorphed his first object, on T:71299 09:04 [hdf-us] [evil] basilikos (Sam Hum Mal Law), 1134 points, T:1557, killed by the Goblin King 09:12 [hdf-us] [evil] basilikos (Sam Hum Mal Law) had Snickersnee bestowed upon him by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:1311 09:17 Seven weapons I have enchanted up. Every single one of them stopped at +6 09:19 your giant looks like a porcupine with all those weapons sticking out 09:20 lawful, pffff... 09:20 haha I know it's monstrous 09:20 I didn't even get demonbane out of it 09:21 haha! 09:21 Ok let's see, what's the best anti-Rodney setup... double lifedrain with lifestealer and stormbringer? double Big Sword with Kas and Life? 09:21 Or Dirge, no acid res 09:21 Also a good option 09:21 Or Lifestealer and Vorpal for some luck checks 09:22 Vorpal too??? 09:22 i'd go with dbl life drain 09:22 The rodney options are Lifestealer, Stormbringer, Kas, Dirge, Vorpal, Angelslayer 09:22 have you made any arti wishes yet? 09:22 Angelslayer probably not going to happen 09:22 No 09:22 Tsurugi? 09:23 Tsurigi + Vorpal 09:23 haha 09:23 Hmm 09:23 i'd go with dbl life drain 09:25 That is very tempting 09:26 double trouble is a very high level monster spell. if you level drain him quick enough, rodney cant cast it 09:27 that is too many good weapons 09:27 decision paralysis 09:27 Double trouble says it's 19 in the wiki in vanilla 09:27 That's a lot of drains 09:27 By that time he'll be dead 09:29 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 09:29 i'd do dirge/angelslayer and use the extra weight you don't use for another 20 potions of full healing 09:29 But I think you're right anyway 09:29 hahaha 09:32 Ok I have 21 potions of full healing now, that enough krm26 ? 09:33 yeah, if you take over 20 you won't use more than 2 09:33 that's science 09:33 Yes accurate 09:35 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Kni Dwa Fem Law) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:12395 09:43 on my infidel run I was prepared to blow rodney away with cone of cold. of course he never had MR that run. 09:46 -!- qt has joined #evilhack 09:55 hah my shambler this game - Attacks: 2d8 sting sticky 09:55 Sticky?? 09:55 Is that the lichen stick? 09:55 yeah 10:01 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 720 points, T:1114, killed by a kobold shaman 10:04 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Bar Gia Mal Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:72203 10:04 Sorry, Wiz, even your double healing in a turn won't save you from BIG SWORDS GO BOOM 10:04 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Bar Gia Mal Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:72204 10:05 maybe he'll summon some bullwhips next time 10:05 or were you smart and genocided bullwhips 10:06 I had a ceremony where I threw a bunch of them into the lava, does that count? 10:07 i do the same thing! no. no it doesnt 10:07 every bearded axe and bullwhip goes straight in the burning drink 10:18 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Kni Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, acquiring a silver amulet of reflection, on T:14711 10:19 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:3525 10:22 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:4200 10:23 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping a perforated amulet on an altar, on T:4231 10:23 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Bar Gia Mal Law) performed the invocation, on T:72212 10:24 go go gadget VaderFlag! gonna lap me again i see 10:25 geez i can't remember the last time i wasn't stuck at 7 with no possible source of mr or poly control...what a drag 10:25 "sting behead" conjures a particularly gruesome image 10:25 alhoons ready for the Kas grinder 10:26 Yay, mobihat ;-) 10:26 It's my first time ever using one 10:26 Got it from Storm bones 10:27 nice 10:29 hah your alignment must be totally negative by now 10:29 I kill so fast that the -1 per hit is overcome immediately 10:29 ah 10:30 barbarian power 10:30 I check every now and then out of paranoia 10:30 Always been pious 10:32 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Kni Dwa Fem Law) performed her first genocide (green slimes), on T:15338 10:33 [hdf-us] [evil] basilikos (Sam Hum Mal Law), 1661 points, T:2580, killed by a piranha 10:37 ugh l is the worst as a knight, i never know when to swing at them. got 50 of them on this level and i just have to ignore them 10:38 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Bar Gia Mal Law) killed the illithid high priestess of Moloch, on T:72371 10:38 oops forgot my detection potions 10:39 time to write 10:39 detection potions are too heavy, scrolls are the way 10:39 Agree, but I never found magic detection 10:39 magic detection for the win 10:39 oof 10:39 nothing in your inventory should weigh more than 7 aum 10:52 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Bar Gia Mal Law) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:72746 10:52 Yay 10:52 Only 3 teleports :| 11:00 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:7733 11:03 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 11:03 [hdf-us] [evil] basilikos (Sam Hum Mal Law), 3794 points, T:3740, killed by a jaguar 11:08 [hdf-us] [evil] basilikos (Sam Hum Mal Law), 286 points, T:834, killed by Ms. Manlobbi; the shopkeeper 11:14 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Bar Gia Mal Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:73520 11:26 huh, wizard stole my ring and it auto took my gloves off. Who does he think he is?? 11:27 what a dick 11:28 It's a great chain - stealing my ring removes Dragonbane and my reflection, which makes me unweild my swords 11:28 Hope he doesn't do that again 11:28 too bad he didn't do that while you were blind and standing on a *trice 11:29 Not yet anyway! 11:29 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Bar Gia Mal Law) entered the Planes, on T:74217 11:30 [hdf-us] [evil] basilikos (Sam Hum Mal Law), 4295 points, T:3479, killed by an energy vortex 11:32 MFW I expend hundreds of arrows to kill one shambling horror and half my attacks are missing with a +3 launcher 11:32 aklys baby! 11:33 You have one of those stupid high AC shamblers? 11:33 it's insane, lol 11:34 I've dumped at least 160 arrows and 45 +1 shuriken into it 11:38 well, rip. there goes all my ammo xD 11:38 it doesn't wander away so you can reuse your ammo? 11:38 Paste us your shambler stats, I love seeing what all the versions are 11:39 yeah, we did a few rounds of that, but the ammo isn't on the floor anymore. Can I check the stats somehow? 11:39 "/?shambling horror" 11:40 wow just in time to watch astral 11:40 gl 11:40 Diff 15, speed 9, base lvl 17, base AC -11, magic save throw 100, weight 20. 2d8 butt hallu, 3d7 kick slow, 3d6 bite energy drain, 4d6 gaze stun, 5d7 spit acid 11:41 Yuck 11:41 woah dude, my butt like, floated away! 11:41 I have a /oDeath, but that magic save seems like it would just defeat that 11:41 musicdemon: you can look it up in the game with ? 11:41 the horrors 11:42 they change game to game 11:42 yeah, those are the stats from the current game 11:42 oh cool. i didn't realize it worked like that 11:44 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Bar Gia Mal Law) killed Pestilence, on T:74560 11:44 I guess I just have to manuever around it, find my ammo, and leave, lol 11:45 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Bar Gia Mal Law) killed the White Horse, on T:74561 11:45 lol @ the rabid dog of Moloch 11:46 nice 11:47 congrats 11:47 nice job, vader! 11:47 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Bar Gia Mal Law), 3247710 points, T:74582, ascended (in dishonor) https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/V/VaderFLAG/evilhack/dumplog/1652552618.evil.html 11:47 No! Set is dishonor! 11:47 wtf does that mean? 11:47 It means I didn't start lawful 11:47 ahh 11:47 streak = 2? 11:48 Yes 11:48 super impressive 11:50 -!- Pinkbeast has quit [*.net *.split] 11:50 congrats dishonorable VaderFLAG \o/ 11:50 'The shambling horror eats 2 blessed arrows named +0!' *gulp* lol 11:51 black dragon here in ludios and I dont have reflection 11:51 lucky it missed me with its breath attack 11:51 oh no you weren't attacking it, you were FEEDING IT 11:51 It's only going to be stronger now!! 11:51 nooooooe 11:51 grats VaderFLAG 11:52 !lastgame 11:52 rebatela: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/V/VaderFLAG/evilhack/dumplog/1652552618.evil.html :: [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/A/Arahael/evilhack/dumplog/1652702568.evil.html 11:56 ffs... lolth bones 11:58 and she's wielding stormbringer 11:58 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Mon Trt Mal Neu), 191832 points, T:40330, killed by Lolth 11:58 damn! 11:59 :O 11:59 jesus christ who's bonmes were that? 11:59 !lastgame K2 11:59 bones even 11:59 krm26: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/k/k2/evilhack/dumplog/1652323797.evil.html :: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/k/k2/evilhack/dumplog/1577469384.evil.html :: [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/k/k2/evilhack/dumplog/1576941662.evil.html 11:59 i had no chance 11:59 wasn't me! 12:00 how did that all happen on one turn, or were you stunlocked by something? 12:00 not one turn 12:00 took about 5-6 12:00 looks like we're gonna want drain resistance to go below dl19 for a while! 12:01 i wasnt anywhere near ready to handle a demon lord, especially one wielding stormbringer 12:01 [hdf-us] [evil] basilikos (Sam Hum Mal Law), 1800 points, T:2229, killed by a barrow wight 12:02 lgxia bones 12:02 they were also killed by lolth 12:03 not to monday morning QB, but why not just go immediately back upstairs? 12:03 i couldnt 12:04 look at the dumplog 12:05 true, but what I meant was right after using downstair 12:05 guess VaderFLAG will clear that bones in another 4 or 5 hours 12:05 10 turns ago-ish 12:05 lol krm 12:05 presumably didn't get Lolth'd until off the stairs 12:06 -!- musicdemon has quit [Quit: Client closed] 12:06 -!- musicdemon has joined #evilhack 12:07 musicdemon, wasnt possible 12:07 i entered the level, moves a few spaces to the right, then lolth appears and summoned nasties immediately, surrounding me 12:07 oh, I see. You didn't even see her until off the upstair 12:07 right 12:08 yeah, that's a brutal surprise. Wow 12:08 no idea she was on the level until she teleported to me 12:08 i maybe could have handled that if she didnt have stormbringer 12:08 maybe 12:10 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 12:18 I think that's lolths 3rd victim, but I thought it was on level 19 12:19 LOL! (th) 12:19 qt I got a weird bug that Umbire found 12:19 hah bouquet 12:19 https://www.hardfought.org/etherpad/p/EvilHack#L14 12:19 we were all thinking it. Sorry for your loss. 12:20 nice 12:20 not quite sure why that happens 12:20 havent looked at it in depth yet 12:21 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Kni Dwa Fem Law) had a cloak of protection entrusted to her by Lugh, on T:18114 12:21 sweet! Lugh must have laid off the crack today 12:22 maybe its something weird in sting_effects() 12:22 [hdf-us] [evil] lgxia (Arc Hum Mal Law) had a pair of leather gloves entrusted to him by Quetzalcoatl, on T:23226 12:24 [hdf-us] [evil] musicdemon (Ran Cen Mal Cha) had a copper shield of mobility entrusted to him by Mars, on T:23098 12:25 lgxia says they died to lolth twice 12:25 dbl bones for them 12:26 what a run. 4 bones, 2 coaligned altars...inventory hell for sure, but fun 12:27 -!- Pinkbeast has joined #evilhack 12:27 [hdf-us] [evil] basilikos (Sam Hum Mal Law), 5169 points, T:3728, killed by an owlbear 12:28 -!- terrapin has joined #evilhack 12:31 more on that bug... 12:31 You begin two-weapon combat. Grimtooth flickers red! Sting flickers light blue! 12:31 ^ in presense of goblin 12:31 you have an epileptic seizure 12:31 also an elf 12:32 i wonder if this can happen in vanilla 12:32 wait no it cant because you cant dual wield artifacts 12:34 -!- terrapin has quit [Quit: Client closed] 12:36 [hdf-us] [evil] lgxia (Arc Hum Mal Law) killed the Rat King, on T:23848 12:36 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 32566 points, T:13427, killed by a white unicorn 12:38 gonna give tortle a break for a quick minute. i want to mess with dtsund armor 12:39 -!- terrapin has joined #evilhack 12:44 [hdf-us] [evil] lgxia (Arc Hum Mal Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:24105 12:48 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 12:50 k2 the Sting bug might be from display.c around line 1313? It looks like all monsters which you are warned of are counted in a single variable, and Sting_effects is triggered whenever that variable changes. 12:51 aaaah 12:52 good catch 12:53 [hdf-eu] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:4187 12:53 [hdf-eu] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:4192 12:55 [hdf-eu] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed greased fixed +2 dragonhide speed boots", on T:4208 12:57 Sting bug eh 12:59 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Pri Elf Mal Neu), 730 points, T:2361, killed by a gnome lord 13:16 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 13:28 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 13:29 congrats VaderFLAG! 13:37 [hdf-us] [evil] gpsalmoncannon (Con Orc Mal Cha), 27 points, T:65, killed by a newt 13:39 [hdf-us] [evil] gpsalmoncannon (Con Orc Mal Cha), 66 points, T:151, fell into a pit 13:40 [hdf-us] [evil] gpsalmoncannon (Con Orc Mal Cha), 28 points, T:189, killed by a fox 13:56 -!- VaderFLAG has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:05 -!- VaderFLAG has joined #evilhack 14:14 -!- terrapin has quit [Quit: Client closed] 14:14 -!- VaderFLAG has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:14 yeah terrapin is right about the sting thing 14:16 -!- VaderFLAG has joined #evilhack 14:19 -!- terrapin has joined #evilhack 14:23 that weird moment when you're on a new level and see no monsters on radar 14:26 I'm not really sure how to fix the Sting issue. even if you isolate it to only monsters you're warned of by your weapons, the same thing happens when you're dual-wielding Sting and Grimtooth 14:26 Grimtooth starts glowing when there are orcs on the level 14:27 basically the entire thing is based on the assumption "you can only be warned of one monster at once via objects with special warning properties" 14:27 make sense. in vanilla its only sting, orcrist or grimtooth, and you can only ever wield one at a time 14:27 yeah 14:27 exactly 14:29 [hdf-us] [evil] basilikos (Sam Hum Mal Law) made his first wish - "blessed wand of death", on T:2414 14:30 "You fail to combine these two objects" 14:30 i'm not really sure how you can tackle that except something like "instead of using warn_obj_cnt, split it into warn_wep_cnt, warn_swapwep_cnt, warn_armor_cnt" 14:30 is there luck involved in forging? 14:30 I think that's just for illegal recipe 14:31 luck is not a factor 14:31 crystal dwarvish spear / silver flail 14:31 either it'll work or it wont, recipe dependent 14:31 i don't think dwarvish spear + flail is a recipe? 14:31 Ah, sadly, cannot forge crystal 14:31 Also dwarvish spear is not a spear 14:31 Forge is super racist 14:31 you could make crystal dwarvish weapons 14:31 I thought gem material was allowed 14:32 yeah, spear+flail = aklys, only the aryan weapons work 14:32 Oh you can?? just as long as they're dwarvish? 14:32 I used the spear as base 14:32 yup 14:32 no, dwarvish spear does not work 14:32 right, it seemed more stylish :b 14:32 wish you could make crystal 14:33 a bog standard spear should be easy to find 14:33 make one 14:33 2 arrows + dagger 14:33 infinite spears 14:33 lol 14:33 example: say you have a pick axe and a crystal dwarvish short short - if the short sword is the 2nd object, it'll make a crystal dwarvish mattock 14:33 there are plenty lying around 14:33 flails are the hard thing to make 14:34 gotta wait for a gnollstorm for those 14:34 I've had lots of gnollstorms :-) 14:34 axe + crystal dwarvish short sword will produce a crystal dwarvish bearded axe 14:39 [hdf-us] [evil] gpsalmoncannon (Con Orc Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:4995 14:39 [hdf-us] [evil] basilikos (Sam Hum Mal Law), 5824 points, T:2994, killed by a rope golem 14:42 [hdf-us] [evil] gpsalmoncannon (Con Orc Mal Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:5457 14:42 -!- screamingskull has joined #evilhack 14:44 [hdf-us] [evil] basilikos (Sam Hum Mal Law), 494 points, T:707, killed by Ms. Kabalebo; the shopkeeper 14:57 [hdf-eu] [evil] Storm (Kni Elf Fem Cha) had Dirge gifted to her by the grace of Manannan Mac Lir, on T:22690 14:58 Via zombie elf corspe!  Noice! 14:58 and a peaceful incubus I can sleep with later! 14:58 Epic! 15:00 oh wow zombies will get you dirge? that's useful 15:02 hrm... you're not supposed to be able to sacrifice undead at an altar, ever. not supposed to work 15:02 super useful!   elf zombies seem to be more common than alive ones.. 15:03 it worked for me once, too 15:03 I think the race is considered before the freshness on an altar 15:03 really?  I read somewhere, that "the undead cannot be sacrificed, in most cases." 15:04 and I know it was NetHack.... other roguelikes you can sacrifice nearly all of the undead 15:04 does same-race sacrifice get you gifts? 15:04 chaotic knights get their special weapon (dirge) by same-race sacrifice. 15:04 oh yeah it makes sense then 15:05 yea, I am the one that got Dirge 15:05 and I think bouqet is right 15:05 if I drop an empty wand, will a monster zap it and waste a turn? 15:05 checks race first 15:05 I'm not sure if it was intentional, but it's convenient. 15:05 i've never seen a monster dust a wand 15:05 musicdemon: no, I don't think so 15:05 if it is a wand that monsters uses, maybe 15:05 they know innately the charges of wands i'm pretty sure 15:05 oh wait. 15:05 empty 15:05 no 15:05 rats :P 15:06 you cant sac undead corpses normally, at all 15:06 its ignored 15:06 although if I'm at 'drop an empty wand and hope they go for it for one turn', I've got bigger problems 15:06 'nothing happens' 15:06 that's not true k2 15:06 not for same-race sacrifice 15:06 Same-race is a case where that's ignored 15:06 Yeah 15:06 you still get punished for trying to sacrifice same-race, even if it's too old 15:06 huh 15:07 the gods are angered by the notion of you even trying 15:07 i stand corrected 15:07 corpse age be damned 15:07 carry on 15:07 (unless you're chaotic) 15:07 then they LOVE the notion of you trying, age be damned :) 15:08 it's the thought that counts 15:08 ^ 15:09 [hdf-eu] [evil] Storm (Kni Elf Fem Cha) had a steel splint mail entrusted to her by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:23039 15:10 [hdf-us] [evil] gpsalmoncannon (Con Orc Mal Cha), 10495 points, T:7506, killed by a large cat, while sleeping 15:10 Return of the Mac 15:10 Great. lighter armor than my 200aum elven chain mail . . . not heavier, Lir! 15:14 [hdf-us] [evil] basilikos (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:4038 15:14 K2: do you know that if you see an invisible monster riding something (like "fell beast, being ridden") and look it up in the encyclopedia, it will look up the invisible rider 15:14 e.g. spawn a Nazgul in wizmode without see invis 15:14 yeah 15:14 seems like that should be fixed 15:15 any player interaction with a monster riding another monster always focuses on the rider 15:15 but you can't see it, how do you know what's riding it? 15:15 magic 15:15 if you select a 'fell beast, being ridden' and look it up in the encyclopedia, you should get 'fell beast' rather than 'Nazgul' imo 15:15 i agree 15:18 https://termbin.com/85jo something like this would fix it i think 15:19 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 15:20 neat 15:20 thanks qt that was quick 15:20 no problem 15:22 My lawful dwarf knight is gonna dip his bearded axe into fountains until it becomes Axecaliber 15:23 oh jeez VaderFLAG, really, you're gonna start and ascend a lawful dwarf knight while i'm still stuck in the midgame aren't you 15:23 i don't know why i even try for first ascensions :-) 15:23 are you playing this combo?? 15:23 yup :-) 15:23 Ok I'll go chaotic 15:23 hah no i don't mean to put you out, just joking 15:25 already starved my 3rd horse to death 15:25 Mine just got his brains et 15:26 when you are riding a mount you should have a dex-based chance of slapping the zombies away from your mount's brain 15:26 their head is right up in your business 15:26 I do like the imagery of that 15:27 well i was farting around but with your time pressure on my i guess i'm digging down into the big level to try to avoid the nymphs and seeing what happens 15:27 Well I ain't hurrying because I want no part of that Lolth deathtrap 15:28 I'm sure as soon as I have a promising run going I'll find it and extinguish it from the bones collection. 15:30 barding protects a steeds head from head based attacks 15:32  YANI: "The mountain dwarf is angered by you eating his fellow kin!"   gains + to hit/damage — he is enraged!    "The orc laughs art his fallen brother being eaten!" 15:33 Ooo when can we forge up some barding 15:34 yes! forged barding 15:34 make the ingredients a bit more difficult to get 15:34 VaderFLAG good call 15:34  and involve three ingredients if shiny or barbed 15:34 i will make it a thing 15:34 :D! 15:34 YANI: new monster: porcupine 15:35 shield of reflection + barding = polished 15:35 morningstar + barding = spiked 15:35 or, barbed: sting ray water monster! 15:36 plate mail + saddle = barding 15:36 oh, wait, yeah 'tis "spiked" 15:36 [hdf-us] [evil] gpsalmoncannon (Con Orc Mal Cha), 2 points, T:148, killed by a jackal 15:38 dammit nightmares and their ilk should be illness-immune 15:39 [hdf-us] [evil] goast (Con Hob Mal Cha), 232 points, T:371, killed by a jackal 15:40 dammit found 2 pickaxes - both cursed 15:40 glad i pet tested 15:41 screamingskull: I think there's porcupines in splicehack. 15:44 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Kni Dwa Fem Law), 1943 points, T:3033, poisoned by a rabid dog 15:44 One bite, instapoisonkill, alas 15:45 noooo the streak 15:48 sigh, onto horsey #6 15:49 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Pri Gia Fem Cha), 297 points, T:505, killed by a bolt of lightning 15:49 woof! lvl 2 bolt of lighting. That kobold was packin' 15:51 [hdf-us] [evil] gpsalmoncannon (Con Orc Mal Cha), 17 points, T:255, killed by a scroll of earth 15:51 saddle wont work in a recipe, its not made of metal or gemstone 15:52 i suppose i could work in an exception 15:54 just trying to think of things of an appropriate rarity and stretchy justification for the recipes 15:54 you're on the right track 15:54 i was thinking for spiked barding - barding + x number of spears as those can stack 15:54 like half a dozen 15:55 morning star is nice because it is requires unusual crap to fabricate, while spears are part of the ubiquitous trap ammo sequence 15:55 true 15:55 you can get spears from a trap? 15:55 no 15:55 oh can you untrap a spear trap? 15:55 oh 15:55 you get arrows darts bolts from traps, and spears are part of the sequence from those 15:57 tsurugi, katana, shuriken, aklys, lance can all be expressed as trap ammo 15:57 i guess not aklys -- need gnoll flails for those, my bad 15:59 being able to #forge really breathes new life into what were once mundane objects 16:00 [hdf-eu] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:7144 16:00 i forget, is it wizards in evilhack who can detect properties on objects? or is that in another version? 16:00 (almost never play wizards) 16:00 wizards can sense if an object is magical 16:01 if an object has an object property, a wizard can tell its magical in nature, they just wont know exactly what the prop is 16:01 that ability should itself be a potential random property 16:01 along with food sense! 16:01 heh 16:01 priests can sense BUC status of objects, wizards can sense magic 16:02 doesnt need any further adjustment imo 16:02 hobbits have food sense 16:02 so play a hobbit wiz 16:02 right, i just think properties should be ballooned out with existing unimportant properties, for variety 16:03 nobody's gonna be forging some sweet plate mail of food sense, but it would be fun to occasionally stumble into a food sense orcish helm or something 16:03 i purposely didnt include a lot of different obj prop from grunthack or other variants, i felt it was too much 16:03 would take away from other magical items 16:04 i added a few though 16:04 lightning/venom/excellence 16:04 i concur, but i think more "shitty properties" would be ok 16:04 there's fumbling and hunger 16:04 maybe aggro monster 16:04 i don't mean deleterious, i just mean not super-helpful 16:04 i.e. food sense baby 16:04 hahah 16:04 the spell is level one, go get it 16:05 it is ez to permanently get from the scroll 16:05 again this has nothing to do with me wanting food sense :-) 16:06 You place the plate mail, then the saddle inside the forge. 16:06 Raising your war hammer, you begin to forge the objects together... 16:06 You have successfully forged barding (250 aum). 16:07 you realize that with the forge around it is now time to implement ARMOR SIZES 16:07 gotta resize the hobbit crystal plate mail to fit your human torso! 16:07 ha 16:07 omg lol 16:08 the hobbit hits you with his long sword. you kill the hobbit. you pick up the short sword 16:09 @?Medusa 16:09 Medusa (@) | Lvl: 20 | Diff: 25 | Spd: 12 | Res: poison petrification | Confers: poison | MR: 50 | Generates: unique | AC: 2 | Attacks: 2d4 weapon physical, 1d8 claw physical, 0d0 gaze petrification, 1d6 bite drain str | Alignment: -15 | Flags: omnivore, flies, swims, amphibious, poisonous, nopoly, infravisible 16:09 @e?Medusa 16:09 Medusa (@) | Lvl: 24 | Diff: 28 | Spd: 12 | Res: poison petrification | Confers: poison | MR: 50 | Generates: unique | AC: -8 | Attacks: 4d4 weapon physical, 2d6 tentacle drain str, 0d0 gaze petrification, 4d4 bite petrification | Alignment: -15 | Flags: omnivore, flies, swims, amphibious, poisonous, nopoly, infravisible 16:09 Not many resistances still 16:11 forgot what a pushover she is in vanilla 16:12 Medusa can't block her reflected gaze if she's paralyzed, right? 16:12 i still think that like 25% of the time stheno or euryale should spawn instead and be unkillable (just need to avoid them) 16:17 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Pri Trt Mal Neu) polymorphed his first object, on T:26136 16:17 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 925 points, T:1548, zombified by a diseased hobbit corpse 16:24 "You have successfully forged a silver aklys of telepathy" \o/ 16:27 that run with my venom aklys was OP. I got cocky and died because it was so good 16:32 Do boulder forts prevent Medusa and you making eye contact as long as you're behind them? 16:32 My inclination is yes but asking just in case 16:33 nooo the streak D: 16:33 ? 16:33 Probably means Vader 16:33 vader died earlier, breaking the streak of 2 ascensions 16:34 ah, shame 16:34 Umbire yes, no eye contact behind a boulder 16:34 Bet 16:34 Boulder fort + aklys it is 16:34 I'll sleep her if the aklys doesn't come back 16:35 2 pots of monster detection to go... 16:35 super dangerous to be adjacent to her even if she is asleep if you aren't petrification resistant 16:35 umbire, tell me how boulder fort strat works. I'm there for the first time and theorcrafting my opening moves. I'm coming up from above right on top of 'er. I have lots of cancellation - should I open with that? 16:36 cancellation kills medusa's stoning gaze. i do *not* know about her stoning melee tho. k2? 16:36 The sleep is to give me time to retrieve the akyls, maybe double-check her HP 16:37 I have reflection, but no MR. No petrification resist, but I think I have two lizard corpses 16:38 I also have /oDeath, but was hoping to save it for later 16:38 Oh right, reflection keeps her gaze off me but I have to get close to reflect it on her 16:39 t. accidentally moved a boulder 16:39 [hdf-au] [evil] Umbire (Bar Gia Mal Neu) killed Medusa, on T:67733 16:39 ...and I guess she noticed! 16:39 nice :) 16:39 I was just setting down another boulder since she was too far away to notice 16:40 and I guess her not noticing meant a proc 16:40 cancellation kills medusa's stoning gaze. i do *not* know about her stoning melee tho. k2? <--- cancellation affects her stoning bite as well 16:41 she has a level of MR though, so she may resist 16:41 50 isn't a LOT a lot 16:41 TIL 16:41 but it's enough to take a few zaps 16:41 make sure you turn sparkle on so you can tell if she resisted or not 16:41 set the sparkle duration low 16:41 Isn't there YAFM if you successfully cancel her? 16:41 i set mine for 3 or 4 16:41 yes 16:42 gotta go back in a bit 16:42 I take it, from the wiki's description of this fight, a mirror is just way inefficient and risks the melee stoning attack 16:43 for not much gain 16:44 Aye, having reflection itself is better 16:44 It at least stops you being instastoned by the gaze (but I don't like taking chances) 16:45 krm26  "the hobbit hits you with his long sword. you kill the hobbit. you pick up the short sword"   LOL! 16:45 I came in blinded as a precaution so 16:45 Is a long sword a great sword or claymore to a hobbit . . . ? 16:49 I agree krm26 cauchemars should be more evil-based, immune to sickness and eat meats of various kinds. 16:52 can I see if Medusa was cancelled if I'm blind? 16:54 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had 19 shuriken entrusted to him by Huan Ti, on T:3678 16:57 I think I'll come back to this level later, lol. Zapped cancel twice, nothing, got hit with the melee stoning, fired a 5 arrow salvo, then ducked back downstairs to remove stoning. I need some way of healing mid-fight before I take this one 16:59 [hdf-us] [evil] basilikos (Sam Hum Mal Law), 17879 points, T:9631, killed by a touch of death 17:02 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:4206 17:04 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had 15 shuriken entrusted to him by Huan Ti, on T:4717 17:06 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had 15 shuriken entrusted to him by Huan Ti, on T:4864 17:09 [hdf-eu] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, acquiring a dragonhide helm of speed, on T:10574 17:10 dammit i typod into the armor one 17:10 wand amulet 17:11 I'd say that's a pretty nice typo 17:12 heh. yeah could have something useless but i need MR 17:12 already dhide speed boots 17:13 that dragonhide speed helmet is new 17:13 yeah, it was special-cased to help out the Tortle role a bit 17:14 Helm of speed had to be cloth because otherwise Tortles couldn't use a Soko item 17:21 [hdf-us] [evil] gpsalmoncannon (Con Orc Mal Cha), 56 points, T:108, killed by a fox 17:21 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a horse, on T:6409 17:21 yay! a pickaxe that appears uncursed 17:21 two of them.. oh no which is the one i saw the drawf swinging 17:23 do oil and magic lamps both cast darkness if cursed or only magic? 17:23 only magic 17:24 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 17:25 pick-axes aren't cursed 17:25 unless they generate in bones 17:25 it's the mattocks you gotta look out for 17:25 now if this dwarf is on a bones level 17:25 then hmmm 17:25 damn, almost out of arrows and shuriken on my Ranger. giving the longbow back is starting to catch up with me 17:26 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:6938 17:29 [hdf-us] [evil] gpsalmoncannon (Con Orc Mal Cha), 231 points, T:1132, killed by a flint stone 17:29 if I scum around the quest level, will centaurs spawn and I can kill them for arrows? 17:29 Yes 17:30 You should also have been untrapping arrow traps 17:31 yes, every single one. I made a mistake early on, though, and didn't bless a big stack when I had the opportunity to. They all evaporated quickly. Lost a bunch in that shambling horror level and the rest are just attrition 17:31 doesn't help that I ahve no light source and am fumbling around like a blind man, lol 17:32 [hdf-eu] [evil] Storm (Kni Elf Fem Cha) killed Aphrodite, on T:29399 17:37 [hdf-eu] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:12780 17:38 umbire: i've found 2 cursed pickaxes one on the floor in the mines and one ina throne room an elven queen had 17:39 in vanilla they are probably uncursed but i'm telling ya you gotta BUC test everything in this game 17:39 Weird, hmm 17:39 evil? 17:39 it's weird lol 17:39 not 17:39 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Pri Gia Fem Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:5644 17:39 i almost assumed they were both uncursed and it would have welded to my hands and i'd break weaponless 17:40 i mean mosters had them.. some times they swing and you see the weld to their hands message 17:41 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Pri Gia Fem Cha), 5759 points, T:5706, killed by a bolt of lightning 17:41 [hdf-us] [evil] gpsalmoncannon (Con Orc Mal Cha), 141 points, T:1211, killed by a bugbear 17:42 [hdf-us] [evil] gpsalmoncannon (Con Orc Mal Cha), 0 points, T:29, killed by a fox 17:47 Umbire, I noticed you were at around 63K turns or so before taking on medusa. Did you go castle first, or were you doing some altar scumming? Not passing judgment, I'm just trying to watch and learn 17:47 Then watch someone else 17:47 Not true.   pick axes can be generated cursed in a dwarf's inventory.  Seen it many times.  "the dwarf wields a pick axe. the pick axe welds itself to the dwarf's hands!" 17:48 I'm just used to them being consistently noncursed I guess. 17:50 very lucky you are, Umbire    [in that regard . . . at least] 17:50 I've been lucky in other areas. 17:50 To further clarify, I don't like to play as though I'm in a rush and I prefer having my ducks in a row before I do anything 17:50 My monks always get a pick axe welded to their hands if I do not altar/pet-test it. 17:51 always!    "Ah screw it, I need to dig...."    and the inevitable! 17:51 Good thing the gods consider a major problem for monks? 17:52 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) tasted meat for the first time, by eating a floating eye corpse, on T:9997 17:54 It's a major problem for any role 17:54 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:10310 17:55 alright, castle floor 17:55 just remembered I could bell of opening crystal chests so doubling back to Kathy's making stash there... 18:07 backing off medusa paid off. Just found a -1 cursed cloak of MR. Yuge 18:07 -!- elenmirie has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:08 [hdf-us] [evil] gpsalmoncannon (Con Orc Mal Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a werejackal, on T:3355 18:08 [hdf-us] [evil] gpsalmoncannon (Con Orc Mal Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3355 18:08 Umbire: I stack all the chests on one square to save charges in case you hadn't already considered that tactic 18:08 No wand 18:09 I just need them to be close enough, iirc there's a wand of opening in one of those? 18:09 Or do I not remember right... 18:11 no guaranteed wand in the ice realm, just acid for melting the bars 18:11 [hdf-us] [evil] gpsalmoncannon (Con Orc Mal Cha), 2996 points, T:3854, killed by a killer bee 18:12 Right, but later for that 18:12 wiki stuff to do 18:17 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, acquiring a magic marker, on T:13410 18:18 [hdf-us] [evil] zor (Cav Hum Fem Law), 78 points, T:71, killed by a magic missile 18:19 the T71 'do not pass Go' death 18:22 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 2 commits to master [+0/-0/±5] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/30ccf0eb52f4...513742221d05 18:22 [EvilHack] k21971 2f75bf0 - Fix: farlook information for monster steeds ridden by unseen rider. 18:22 [EvilHack] k21971 5137422 - Allow barding to be forged. 18:25 [hdf-us] [evil] zor (Mon Dwa Fem Neu), 754 points, T:790, killed by the Goblin King 18:26 getting the wizard itch again. 18:26 is the benefit of the illithid the flying? 18:26 or rather, "the appeal of the illithid" 18:27 -!- terrapin has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:28 I tried it an got frustrated with the carry capacity, though my wizards are demonstrably bad 18:29 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:32 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 18:38 -!- terrapin has joined #evilhack 18:40 bouquet that's one of the perks yeah 18:44 I went back to quest level to try to scum some centaurs for arrows, but they are literally all peaceful, because I'm a centaur. I think I have to take a huge alignment hit to gather arrows here, but if I leave and press on, I'm super low on ammo. I'm leaning towards the mega alignment hit, as my AC is pretty low (-24) and I don't expect too many 18:44 surprises 18:44 what do you folks think? 18:44 didn't you give the bow of diana to your quest leader? 18:44 yes 18:45 take it back with force 18:46 hmmm, yeah I guess I could take 'em. I have MR now, so slightly less risky 18:47 in my head I was thinking 'quest leader is always too powerful for you', but maybe that's my experience with other variants talking 18:48 is this the classic ranger level with the awful spiral hedge? 18:49 hah 18:49 my strategy when fighting quest leaders is to try to coerce all the guards milling around into a room and lock the door. That way it's 1 on 1. 18:50 yeah, it's the spiral hedge thing 18:50 I've taken down 5 or so dragons without too much difficulty, so I probably can take the leader 18:51 -!- terrapin has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:51 bouquet, can you elaborate on 'coerce'? Just pick them off one-by-one, you mean? 18:51 no, I try to swap places with them to force them into another room. 18:52 it's tedius 18:52 ohhhhh. that ol' chestnut 18:52 do they all aggro if I attack the leader? 18:57 [hdf-us] [evil] musicdemon (Ran Cen Mal Cha) killed Orion, on T:27355 18:58 >:D 19:00 \o/ 19:01 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3213 19:01 thanks for that suggestion. My weird preconceptions didn't have that as an option, due to some bad experiences with quest leaders in the past. I smoked Orion, tho 19:01 the artifact is cross-aligned now, which is mildly hilarious 19:05 but you can pick it up? 19:07 yep! it'll just be a portable arrow fabricator for me, now. I've got a better bow 19:14 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had Angelslayer bestowed upon him by Huan Ti, on T:15239 19:19 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Pri Elf Mal Neu), 1043 points, T:2269, killed by the Goblin King 19:20 'The nurse touches you! You hear a low moaning.' lmao 19:20 musicdemon: Regen??!?!?!?! 19:20 good name 19:21 haha 19:21 I couldn't really gauge whether it was working or not 19:32 what the heck drains a tame vampire lord (noble)? they have drain resistance? 19:32 tame vampire noble is now a regular vampire 19:33 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 73634 points, T:17002, killed by a silver dragon 19:33 the onlt thing I can think of is a poly trap, managed to poly from noble to a regular?    odds are so so so so slim, though! 19:37 -!- musicdemon has quit [Quit: Client closed] 19:44 [hdf-us] [evil] goast (Con Hob Mal Cha), 58 points, T:225, killed by a jackal, while fainted from lack of food 19:47 [hdf-us] [evil] goast (Con Ith Mal Cha), 57 points, T:107, killed by tumbling down a flight of stairs 19:50 and they were drained significantly, too     took a while to get them back to a noble 19:52 YANI: There is a glass piercer corpse here; eat it? [ynq] (n) y This glass piercer corpse tastes okay.  Your throat starts to bleed profusely! The bleeding increases! You feel faint! You feel very weak! You die! 19:53 Unless you heal. heal potion heals one level of bleeding, extra heal two, full completely heal.  Heal spell heals one level, extra heal spell 2-full depending on heal skill 19:53 I don't think glass piercers are actually made of glass, they're creatures that pierce glass 19:56 [hdf-us] [evil] goast (Mon Gia Mal Cha) destroyed gpsalmoncannon's ghost, the former Detainee, on T:1008 19:57 -!- terrapin has joined #evilhack 20:04 [hdf-eu] [evil] Storm (Kni Elf Fem Cha) had an elven dagger entrusted to her by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:32536 20:05 another stupid elven dagger . . . why?   i threw a dagger at something twice.... 20:08 [hdf-us] [evil] goast (Mon Gia Mal Cha), 1666 points, T:2289, killed by a dwarf lord 20:14 -!- nabru has quit [Quit: ZNC 1.8.2 - https://znc.in] 20:21 -!- nabru has joined #evilhack 20:24 screamingskull: You know monsters can't devolve, right? 20:24 Had to be polytrap shenanigans 20:24 or perhaps genetic engineers 20:33 too early for genetic engineer . . . never saw one... had protection of shape changers on. . .       never found a poly trap .... have auto searching 20:33 However, may have been an orc that happily jumped into after my pet poly'ed and became something low leveled. 20:34 I mean if something jumps into it deliberately that uses it up, yeah 20:34 yeah, hence me not finding it.... 20:35 so a dwarf becomes a maxed-out level king and then is drained to level 1, they are still a king? 20:35 yes 20:35 bad example as I think their max level is like what . . . 9? 20:36 but what the heck are the odds, man?!?    poly from noble to regular vampire, keep all gear intact? 20:36 it is like mind-blowing, maaaaan . . . 20:36 the odds of keeping all gear intact when polying from noble to regular vampire are 100% 20:37 no, for it to happen in the first place. 20:37 that part is obvious 20:37 to not poly into something beforehand and lose something. 20:37 it was off-screen so I did not see anything occur 20:44 [hdf-us] [evil] gpsalmoncannon (Inf Ith Mal Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:535 20:45 [hdf-us] [evil] gpsalmoncannon (Inf Ith Mal Una), 1274 points, T:704, killed by a bolt of lightning 20:52 Someone mind clarifying properties and forging for me while I'm in a mood to work on it 20:58 the end result inherits the beatitude, material, and properties from the second reagent, and inherits the higher of the two reagents' enchantments. if the material is illegal (e.g. copper for a dwarvish weapon) then the first reagent's material is used. if the second reagent has no properties, the first reagent's properties are used, if it has any. 20:58 if either reagent has a property, the forge has a 1-in-6 chance of disappearing. 21:05 https://nethackwiki.com/mediawiki/index.php?title=The_Blacksmith%27s_Cookbook&diff=145970&oldid=145941 21:08 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:5325 21:10 [hdf-us] [evil] gpsalmoncannon (Inf Ith Mal Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:2249 21:17 [hdf-us] [evil] gpsalmoncannon (Inf Ith Mal Una), 5353 points, T:2813, killed by a piranha 21:18 Crafting barding feels like the most "no shit" addition to this game I've seen recently 21:18 in the sense of "no shit why didn't any of us think of this earlier" 21:18 It just works 21:19 [hdf-eu] [evil] Storm (Kni Elf Fem Cha) murdered her faithful nightmare, on T:37181 21:21 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:52 why is there ' must be metallic or gemstone' and yet there are wooden elven weapons? 21:52 [[for forging]] 21:53 They can be not-wooden 21:54 so wooden weapons do not work? 21:54 there we go.... we need a woodworker's table! 21:54 As in find a copper or mithril one to work with 21:54 need to forge up a saw and some chisels, first, though 21:54 or whatever 22:04 Somehow next to no digging this game 22:13 Anything else I should wiki up while I'm in the mood? 22:14 [hdf-us] [evil] gpsalmoncannon (Tou Trt Mal Neu), 553 points, T:2027, killed by a piranha 22:20 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Con Ith Fem Cha), 610 points, T:1137, killed by a falling rock 22:23 Javelin's cannot be mithril? 22:23 combing crossbow bolts with a dwarvish mithril spear has failed like 10 times now 22:23 javelins^ 22:24 you have to use a regular spear 22:24 ^ that 22:25 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/The_Blacksmith%27s_Cookbook#List_of_recipes 22:25 huh? then why are there instructions about what material you use to make it you want to be? 22:25 spear != dwarvish spear 22:25 they are different 22:26 as are elven and orcish spears 22:26 type of spear and material its made of are 2 different things 22:37 Oh sweet shit 22:37 gnoll witherlings killed a shopkeep 22:37 illithid no less 22:38 [hdf-us] [evil] dolio (Pri Gia Mal Cha), 808 points, T:2024, killed by the Goblin King, while sleeping 23:57 -!- terrapin has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds]