00:01 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:14 WHAT DO YOU MEAN BAD FEELING I BLESSED IT AND EVERYTHING 00:14 got fucking 10%'d 00:15 and of course it almost whomps me in melee from full health 00:16 whumpus? 00:17 oh, dagul idol didn't play nice 00:17 so no demon pet for me 00:28 -!- krm26 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:36 K2: Just realised that the Rat King's swamp is an ideal location for a fatberg. ;) 00:46 -!- krm26 has joined #evilhack 00:53 tame garg lesgo 00:53 @e?gargoyle 00:53 gargoyle (g) | Lvl: 6 | Diff: 8 | Spd: 10 | Res: petrification | Confers: nothing | MR: 0 | Generates: gehennom dungeons | AC: -4 | Attacks: 2d6 claw physical, 2d6 claw physical, 2d4 bite physical | Alignment: -9 | Flags: genocidable, breathless, thick hide 01:19 Oh, fascinating, Tortles find sewers easy to go through 01:20 Oh, darn it. 01:20 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Trt Fem Law), 16918 points, T:7163, killed by an energy vortex 01:20 F 01:31 -!- VaderFLAG has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:31 -!- VaderFLAG has joined #evilhack 01:40 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 01:44 [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law), 110 points, T:278, killed by a boulder 01:53 [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law), 467 points, T:1330, zombified by a dwarf zombie, while helpless 01:55 [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law), 155 points, T:492, killed by a small mimic 02:08 Oh, interesting, I can't dig my way into minetown either. 02:12 [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law), 2227 points, T:2500, killed by a jumping spider 02:14 take stair to Soko entrance floor, get jumped by hiding monsters 02:20 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Trt Fem Law), 2222 points, T:1098, zombified by an orc zombie, while praying 02:23 -!- terrapin has quit [Quit: Client closed] 02:25 There's like 02:25 NO downside to naming Sting/Orcrist right? 02:25 Besides the elves 02:25 Not anymore, I think. 02:25 no problem with artifact wishing 02:25 Exactly 02:27 [hdf-au] [evil] Umbire (Bar Gia Mal Neu) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:23939 02:28 [hdf-au] [evil] Umbire (Bar Gia Mal Neu) chose an elven broadsword to be named "Orcrist", on T:23986 02:34 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 02:34 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 02:52 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Trt Fem Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:1097 03:02 Hmm. Does a monk have any use for magicbane? I'm not sure I can wield it, as I'm lawful 03:02 (And this one, being from a chaotic bones, is probably chaotic) 03:06 It's not a quest arti, you can wield it 03:06 It'll explode your shit but good if it blasts you at that early turn count 03:06 but you can wield it 03:07 Good to know. :) I think I'll leave it for now and pick it up on the way up. 03:12 Stick a boulder on it to be safe 03:12 Can't, it's right in front of hte temple. 03:14 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 03:18 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:23 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 04:58 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Trt Fem Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:4643 05:35 arahael: i thought you meant my fruit, the ball of keyboard gunk 05:36 I don't think I saw that in the bones? 05:40 ah nvm i misread the part about the ant and the food item 06:06 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 06:10 [hdf-us] [evil] musicdemon (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 803 points, T:2251, killed by a jumping spider 06:15 [hdf-us] [evil] musicdemon (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 47 points, T:161, killed by a jackal 06:18 [hdf-us] [evil] musicdemon (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 8 points, T:303, killed by a fox 06:22 [hdf-us] [evil] musicdemon (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) murdered his faithful pseudodragon, on T:420 06:25 Hmm. Soko for tortles. I guess going for the armour is going to be stupid, or does it give something that tortles can use? 06:26 Which leaves the tool or the amulet. 06:26 * arahael goes for the amulet. 06:27 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Trt Fem Law) completed Sokoban, acquiring an amulet of reflection, on T:9461 06:27 Funny, none of the doors sealed when I took that. 06:33 Hmm, worthless dragonhide armour here. 06:38 the helm of speed has a chance to be of a flexible material in soko 06:39 Interesting. 06:39 That must've changed? 06:39 Still, that would be very poor ods. 06:39 *odds 06:42 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 06:46 41% chance of a flexible material if the prize is the helm of speed if I'm reading it right 06:50 So basically less than 25% chance of something I could use. 06:55 i thought the helm was guaranteed to be flexible when a tortle? must have misunderstood k2 06:56 I now have both amulet of reflection, and amulet of MR. 07:03 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Trt Fem Law) had a pair of leather gauntlets of protection entrusted to her by Shan Lai Ching, on T:10605 07:03 First sacrifice! 07:03 +5, too. 07:10 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Rog Gno Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, acquiring a silver amulet of magic resistance, on T:20826 07:15 krm26 https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/81d4a86aae5551e741cb6f60567ad998218caa8e 07:16 ah well 07:17 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Rog Gno Fem Cha) had a steel dwarvish spear entrusted to her by Kos, on T:21299 07:17 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:17 oh come on, second gift is a spear too? blearhgh 07:18 guess i'm a rogue who dual wields spears 07:19 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Rog Gno Fem Cha) had a dagger entrusted to her by Kos, on T:21328 07:23 A dagger. Nice. 07:24 at least i have skill in dagger! 07:25 coulda given me a stack of 9 of em tho 07:25 but if i can use 1 out of 6 sacrifice gifts i'm above par 07:26 since i'm wearing crystal plate i keep expecting cloth armor 07:26 the sacrifice shit should at least have a higher chance of a property 07:26 honestly like 2 or 3 royal jelly would be better than 95% of the early sacrifice gifts 07:33 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 07:37 > You kill Lochnagar the human shopkeeper! You murderer! 07:37 I thought that only applied to human races? 07:37 So now I have the murder intrinsic. 07:38 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 07:39 no such thing as a murder intrinsic 07:40 you lose intrinsic telepathy and two points of luck 07:40 just like in real life 07:40 heh 07:40 only if you're chaotic it doesn't count as murder 07:41 and your race doesn't enter into it 07:41 Ah, interesting, so it's just because I'm lawful, then. 07:41 I've been playing for chaotic for so long I must've forgotten. 07:42 and the shopkeeper was human... I actually don't know if eg dwarvish shopkeepers count as murder too 07:42 vanilla has only human shopkeepers 07:42 all shopkeepers count as murder 07:42 get a zombie or a pet to kill them instead 07:42 right, that makes sense 07:43 the murder bit makes sense 07:43 no, even chaotics get the murder penalty, don't they? 07:43 it is judged differently from same-race sacrifice 07:43 or maybe you're right 07:43 i'm not enough of a murder hobo to remember 07:44 chaotics don't get the murder penalty 07:44 not easy for a zombie to kill a shopkeeper btw 07:44 K2 fixed that 07:45 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Trt Fem Law) killed Aphrodite, on T:12816 07:46 argh gnoll with a wand of death in the mines 07:47 krm26: I had an ogre queen with a wand of death in the big room. 07:47 She zapped me about 3 times. Missed every time. 07:49 i got hit but had just picked up the "mr in sokoban so just lost like 10 max health and my pet 07:50 lucked out 07:51 Oh, crap. Intended to make 10 potions of holy water. Made 10 potions of unholy water by accident. 07:54 you can still turn those into holy water on an altar 07:54 Yeah. 07:56 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 07:57 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Trt Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming an elven wizard, on T:13573 07:57 Am I permanently elven!? 07:58 nope 07:58 death will revert you 07:58 or timeout 07:58 Awesome. 07:59 Looks like Tortle itself is giving me -11 AC. 08:00 Hmm, I attacked a cockatrice, and automatically casted a spell at it? 08:01 Never played an elvish wizard with grand master martial arts... 08:01 Yeah the magic missile attack is part of your attack set now 08:02 Nice. 08:02 Not magic missile, it says they become "weaker". 08:02 > The vampire bat suddenly seems weaker! You kill the vampire bat! 08:02 Oh all the other spells too 08:03 Oh, indeed. I just randomly healed myself. 08:03 I think I like elvish wizard! 08:03 I'm casting a spell every freaking attack(!) 08:03 Is this only because I'm grand master, or would this happen with master, also? 08:04 @e?elven wizard 08:04 elven wizard (@) | Lvl: 9 | Diff: 11 | Spd: 12 | Res: sleep magic | Confers: sleep | MR: 25 | Generates: gehennom dungeons | AC: 10 | Attacks: 2d4 cast magic missile, 0d0 cast spell | Alignment: -10 | Flags: genocidable, omnivore, seeinvis, infravisible 08:04 Wow. 08:05 BLegh, some of these spells are a bit stupid: I just cast ball of cold... Right next to myself. 08:05 ha 08:05 I'm also pointing around a lot and cursing. 08:06 oh my, the gauntlets of dexterity i got from kos are actually gauntlets of dexterity and telepathy 08:06 knew it could happen but have never seen it before 08:06 -!- qt has joined #evilhack 08:06 Groovy 08:06 Well, that was fun. Back to tortle now. 08:06 did krm26's luck finally change? 08:07 a magic item with an obj prop? 08:07 it forbodes black tidings on the horizon 08:07 Oops... Fell onto another polytrap... Now I'm an orange dragon! 08:07 i almost got death wanded and discovered that in my end of game report 08:07 time to eat your way to success arahael 08:08 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Trt Fem Law) tasted meat for the first time, by eating a lizard corpse, on T:14117 08:09 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Tou Trt Mal Neu), 2944 points, T:7979, killed by a bolt of fire 08:09 krm26: I'm at the quest temple! 08:09 bloody nymphs 08:10 i'm spying 08:10 don't lay too many eggs, you'll starve yourself to death 08:11 omigod you are egg crazy 08:12 you can kick down those doors 08:12 heh 08:12 krm26: i'm snacking on freaking *xorns*, though! 08:13 alas your eggstorm is ended 08:13 That's a fair number of pets, though./ 08:14 when they grow up they'll be a real mob 08:14 the babys aren't fantastic 08:15 Yeah, I might see how much they grow up first and then see if I can kill Master Kaen with them? :) 08:15 put your gear back on 08:15 Forgot about that! 08:16 Even the babies are quite decent against teh elementals. 08:16 9 of them. 08:16 their one-hit kills as adults are what you're looking forward to 08:17 That'll be good against Kaen. 08:17 Never had this strategy before, usually I just... Death him... 08:17 And yes. I have death. 08:21 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Rog Gno Fem Cha) had a helmet entrusted to her by Kos, on T:24362 08:22 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Tou Trt Mal Neu) had a pair of gauntlets of protection entrusted to him by The Lady, on T:741 08:23 wow personal record 08:24 Hmm? 08:24 yeah wow that's fast 08:25 I now have 3 orange dragons. 08:25 That'll take you far 08:26 ANd about 7 babies still. 08:27 Wow, hungerless regen is amazing. 08:28 +5 pair of gauntlets of protection should take me far, yes :-) 08:29 !whereis arahael 08:29 VaderFLAG: [hdf-au] Arahael [evil]: (Mon Trt Fem Law) T:16190 The Quest level: 16 08:31 damn why is this 2-handed silver sword cursed :b 08:32 even the pick-axe is cursed, weird 08:32 The Lady must think you're a monk 08:33 heh, got them from the goblin king branch 08:33 fake bones somewhere there? 08:34 lucky the goblin king didn't get his hands on that sword 08:34 hah 08:35 last game I got a wand of fire from soko to zap the goblin king with, but got ambushed by 2 nymphs 08:35 not sure what the best tourist strat is vs goblin king 08:37 How do I locate the stairs? (How do I see the map on it's own?) 08:37 I have... Too many dragons... 08:38 Oops. 08:38 #terrain 08:38 or _< 08:38 I died. 08:38 Hecubus: Hello? 08:39 !lastgame 08:39 VaderFLAG: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/p/post163/evilhack/dumplog/1652358992.evil.html :: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/m/mobileuser/evilhack/dumplog/1652337167.evil.html :: [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/A/Arahael/evilhack/dumplog/1652335240.evil.html 08:39 hello 08:39 Hello mobileuser, Welcome to #evilhack 08:39 Was a very good game, with a stupid mistake. :( 08:39 hi hecubus 08:39 Hecubus: How are you at the moment? 08:39 you must be mistaken, you are not dead 08:39 I am totally dead. Got one-shotted by Kaen. 08:40 See, when I went up, the dragons displaced me. 08:40 Kaen appeared... 08:40 Boom. 08:40 looks like your dumplog wasn't made then? 08:40 Kaen punched you so hard your dumplog was exploded 08:41 I think my dumplog did crash, actually, I vaguely saw something odd. 08:41 A bit of a traceback. 08:41 K2: Is there another core dump? 08:42 ANyway, lesson learned: Do not go against Kaen as an Xp12 character. :D 08:42 That's the lowest I've ever been, actually - usually Im' at _least_ 14. 08:43 Very good game anyway - I should try getting some sleep. 08:46 * nabru hands arahael a potion of sleep 08:47 oh yeah it did crash 08:49 Here's a nasty castle combo - bearded axe snatches weapon/reflection shield, soldier right behind immediately zaps polymorph 08:49 sorry araahael :-/ 08:49 tortles are flimsy 08:50 there is a dumplog though https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/A/Arahael/evilhack/dumplog/1652336737.evil.html 08:52 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Bar Trt Fem Neu), 672 points, T:953, killed by a bolt of cold 08:54 VaderFLAG nasty teamwork there 08:54 And their friend have arrows of lightning 08:55 qt that's the wrong dumplog 08:55 arahael died to master kaen 08:55 I assume that 5 is Kaen 08:56 it's the right one 08:56 oh sorry 08:56 I was expecting lots of lava :-) 08:57 i think there must be something wrong with the description of the killer. it says "killed by an invisible chameleon imitating a gray dragon" 08:58 but that must be master kaen -- the 5 appears next to the stairs, gives an intimidating little "i'm gonna getchu" speech, then follows arahael up the stairs 08:58 oh nvm 08:58 that chameleon line is from a previous self-bones level 08:58 Bones psych 08:58 just misread 08:59 why did it crash though? hmm 08:59 checking 08:59 looks like something went wrong in m_dowear from the traceback shown in the ttyrec 09:00 i have a backtrace, one sec 09:00 when the killer starts putting on all the stuff he looted from your corpse 09:00 https://termbin.com/mcwy 09:01 He tried to wear the toque but was too awesome-looking for the game to handle 09:01 very weird... 09:01 so the problem is 'if (r_verysmall(mon) || nohands(mon->data) || is_animal(mon->data))'? 09:05 wtf 09:05 huh, i reproduced it 09:05 kaen is neither of those 09:08 the mighty toque defeats Kaen in the end 09:10 qt: No, that's an older game, yeah. 09:10 this is odd 09:11 reproduced it and ukiller->data seems to be junk 09:11 by the time it's saving bones 09:11 why is that...? 09:11 That should be a no-bones level!? 09:11 you went one level up 09:11 so i think it is a bones level, since you're on one of the filler levels 09:12 It shouldn't be a bones level, though. 09:13 why do you say that? 09:15 i think the quest filler levels are bones eligible 09:15 they are 09:15 yup 09:16 i'm looking at a similar crash from a few hours ago on hdf-us 09:16 dgoddard's last game, was killed by a disinitegration blast from a black dragon 09:17 https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/d/dgoddard/evilhack/dumplog/1652301196.evil.html 09:17 how they died is different but the coredump points back to savebones() again 09:18 wtf happened that this is happening now 09:19 uuuugh brb 09:19 okay 09:22 i _think_ i see what's happening in this case 09:23 bones.c:512 -- if you're killed by the quest nemesis, toss him out and then run dmonsfree to deallocate him 09:23 then, _after that_, check whether your killer is the quest nemesis by accessing his data -- he's already been freed at this point 09:24 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Rog Gno Fem Cha) had a spear entrusted to her by Kos, on T:28063 09:24 cripes kos in love with stupid spears 09:26 omg second cursed pick-axe 09:27 k2 try something like this instead https://termbin.com/s94s 09:27 should do that for any 'mongone' in there 09:29 i think this would probably cover it https://termbin.com/qx49 09:30 which one, first or 2nd termbin? 09:30 2nd? 09:31 the second one fixes a second potential case 09:31 so yeah the second one 09:31 is probably better 09:32 ok. thanks! 09:32 i'm not sure why a black dragon would cause a similar problem unless it was being ridden by another monster at the time 09:32 not sure, in the ttyrec the player couldnt see it 09:33 do you have a backtrace for that one? 09:34 yes but its junk. only thing I have to go by is the in-game crash and the daily coredump report I get 09:34 it's odd that it seems to have crashed in the middle of writing the dumplog 09:34 https://termbin.com/0cfe 09:35 Is it worth modifying your 'free object' methods to zero everything that was free'ed, in the interest of catching as many bugs you can? (Only in debug mode, I guess) 09:36 Particularly to catch use-after-free cases. 09:36 this is what's seen in the ttyrec - https://termbin.com/w6i8 09:38 maybe it was being ridden then, i guess... 09:39 hopefully if it's something else it'll crop up again in a more controlled context 09:40 For context, I went away from Kaen's level in the hopes that I could get away - and also to get more of my pets. 09:41 arahael: if the free_obj(obj) function ends with 'obj = 0;' doesn't that just zero it out in that context, and it wouldn't affect the caller? 09:41 Next time I'll have to prepare *much* better, especially if I am bringing a dragon army! 09:42 qt: I meant more like memset(obj, 0, sizeof(*obj)) or something (I've not done C in so long...) 09:43 qt: Such that if anything else still had the reference, whatever it's pointing to is a zero'ed out object. 09:50 my understanding is that even checking whether it's zeroed out is a user-after-free, so you'd really want to make sure the actual address/pointer is cleared instead. i think there are ways to do that (like passing a pointer to the pointer to the object) but i'm not sure how effective they'd be on their own, because even then you need to make sure the caller has a if (obj) { } guard anywhere obj 09:50 can be dereferenced after potentially being freed 09:50 Wasn't suggesting something for production use, only as a debug flag to try and trigger a crash. 09:51 oh I understand now 09:51 so that things accessed after being freed are more obviously wrong 09:51 Right. 09:51 i think basically asan should fulfill that purpose already when it's used 09:52 though i'm not sure, I don't really understand all its capabilities 09:52 Yeah, using tools like that or valgrind, etc, would probably be most effective, but... It's often hard using those tools on existing, old applications. 09:54 apparently something like that is happening already in some respect to cause this crash 09:54 i don't really get why mon->data became something different once mon was freed 09:54 i thought malloc just marks it as available or something, not changes the data 09:55 what a weird game, 29k turns through sokoban and mines, 1 spellbook 09:55 qt: Perhaps it was immediately reused? 10:04 yeah, maybe 10:14 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:3267 10:14 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/2e35732cfa70...0deb958dc9ba 10:14 [EvilHack] k21971 0deb958 - Fix: end of game crash during bones creation under certain conditions. 10:14 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had a pair of low boots entrusted to him by Huan Ti, on T:3297 10:14 ^ another import from sporkhack 10:15 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a werewolf, on T:3451 10:15 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 3776 points, T:3456, quit 10:15 a couple of the recent fixes you've authored qt, was code imported from sporkhack. I should patch sporkhack with these fixes 10:15 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Rog Gno Fem Cha) made her first wish - "blessed fixed +3 dragonbane", on T:57172 10:16 spork is buggy as hell 10:16 luckily lorimer went on to bug C# instead C 10:16 i wonder why I can load saves when i'm using gdb but not when I'm using lldb 10:17 that commit is live 10:17 all 10:18 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 10:23 thx, we can die happily to quest nemeses again :b 10:24 \o/ 10:25 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Rog Gno Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:30814 10:25 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Rog Gno Fem Cha) had a long sword entrusted to her by Kos, on T:57890 10:27 ? 10:31 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Rog Gno Fem Cha) had Secespita bestowed upon her by Kos, on T:58102 10:31 Sure, ok. 10:31 Does it work if it's in the offhand? 10:32 i'm not sure 10:33 should, wielding_artifact(ART_SECESPITA) check 10:34 i heard making a sacrifice with your left hand is highly offensive in the middle east 10:35 Ha. 10:35 though making a sacrifice with your right hand is probably also frowned upon in the middle east, considering the whole monotheism thing 10:35 It would also be offensive in india too, I suspect. 10:39 intriguing image https://www.3trivia.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/image-22.jpg 10:39 do you know why using your left hand for almost everything is offensive in the middle east? 10:39 yes 10:39 yeah, don't say it 10:39 heh 10:39 happy white guy eats paste with his left hand, sheik eats a brownie with his right hand, using a fork with an LED on the end of it, and looks glum about it 10:40 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Rog Gno Fem Cha) had a banded mail entrusted to her by Kos, on T:59935 10:40 over two thirds of the world still believe you're shifty if you're left-handed 10:40 i got a few stories from my 1st tour in iraq, having to guard POW's 10:41 the text says that both are left handed 10:41 doesn't rank high on the list of reasons why we're doomed, but it is present 10:41 maybe the LED on the fork blinks red if you use your left hand 10:41 bhaak: oh, and that's why he's sad? 10:41 qt: yes because he has to eat awkwardly 10:41 which is also not quite right 10:42 here, you are supposed to hold the fork in the weaker hand 10:42 so you have enough force for cutting 10:42 would be simpler to not use your bare hand to wipe your butt 10:42 If I'm using only the fork, though, I hold it in my right 10:42 never understood that, if I need a light saber to cut my food, the cook screwed up. I use my right hand to hold my fork. 10:42 K2: If you use water, though, it's not so bad. :D 10:43 ooooh the stories i could tell 10:43 they'd make NSFW look tame 10:43 K2: Any fatbergs amongst them? 10:43 no hah 10:43 You really do want to have plenty of water, though. Otherwise... Ugh. 10:44 you type as if you're speaking from experience 10:45 mobileuser, now is a good time to go do the dishes 10:45 Hmm. Possibly. :) 10:45 hahah 10:45 hey, sometimes you have no choice 10:45 lol K2 10:45 no leaves in the desert 10:46 K2: I've been on hikes. In *australia*. Oh, btw, pro tip if you're ever in Queensland. Do *not* pick up any random leaf. 10:46 * K2 nods 10:46 Plus we have a bidget at home. :D Best thing ever. 10:46 pack it out! 10:46 don't touch anything in Australia 10:46 i always carried baby wipes with me on patrol/mission 10:47 and I always have a pack of them in my vehicle 10:47 krm26: Not in Australia, in australia, 100m from rivers and paths, and a good handspan deep - if you can. 10:47 you - never - know 10:47 it's a deathworld. It's a wonder anyhting lives down there. if you can call this living. 10:48 hanging with your head down 10:48 Hmm. 10:48 Even the toilet water spins in the other way. 10:48 arahael: those rules are changing everywhere, just too many people 10:48 krm26: Not in australia yet. 10:49 We really don't have that many people hiking here. 10:49 (I mean, the campsites are a bit ugh near the city, but the actual hikes? Not a soul) 10:49 things only tried to kill me twice in australia in a year, i had three attempts on my life in the galapagos in 2 weeks 10:49 the RNG just follows you everywhere doesnt it krm26 10:50 i pissed it off early 10:50 K2: You do know what leaf I was referring to, btw, in QLD? 10:50 arahael no i dont 10:50 K2: An unfortunate explorer discovered it, doing just this: Grabbing a leaf to wipe. 10:50 I was nodding, as in 'note to self, if in QLD, dont touch shit' 10:50 Oh, no, touch the shit, that's fine, just not that freaking leaf. 10:51 oh 10:51