00:05 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 176 points, T:710, killed by Ms. Moy; the shopkeeper, while sleeping 00:11 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Bar Gia Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:4787 00:12 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 1592 points, T:1271, killed by a kobold zombie 00:13 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Orc Fem Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:75567 00:24 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Bar Gia Mal Cha) had Cleaver bestowed upon him by Set, on T:6128 00:42 [hdf-us] [evil] zor (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 700 points, T:1509, killed by a mountain dwarf 00:55 A tortle priest! 00:56 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Bar Gia Mal Cha), 18117 points, T:9076, killed by a mumak 01:00 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Trt Fem Law) consumed animal products (candy bar) for the first time, on T:5435 01:00 -!- screamingskull has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:05 Looks like I can't ctrl-f as a tortle monk *at all*. 01:06 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Trt Fem Law) tasted meat for the first time, by eating a troll corpse, on T:6177 01:10 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Trt Fem Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:6982 01:14 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Trt Fem Law) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:7070 01:17 Can tortle monks wear a small shield effectively? I'm assuming no. 01:25 Interestingly, I can still leap and butterfly kick whilst using a shield, so I think I must be OK. 01:44 [hdf-us] [evil] mradosav (Cav Gia Mal Neu), 544 points, T:1849, withered away, while fainted from lack of food 01:52 -!- VaderFLAG_ has joined #evilhack 01:52 -!- VaderFLAG is now known as Guest2928 01:52 -!- Guest2928 has quit [Killed (silver.libera.chat (Nickname regained by services))] 01:52 -!- VaderFLAG_ is now known as VaderFLAG 02:16 [hdf-us] [evil] mradosav (Tou Gno Fem Neu) consumed animal products for the first time, by eating a small glob of gray ooze, on T:3143 02:32 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 02:33 -!- mobileuser has quit [Client Quit] 02:40 > Your protective shell prevents you from being crushed! 02:40 Woohoo! 02:47 -!- terrapin has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:51 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 03:08 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Trt Fem Law), 36478 points, T:12079, killed by an ogre queen 03:08 An ogre queen with a *club of lightning*. Wow. Didn't expect that in soko. 03:44 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 1242 points, T:1710, killed by the Goblin King 04:58 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 07:01 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 07:02 -!- musicdemon has joined #evilhack 07:04 [hdf-us] [evil] musicdemon (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 534 points, T:1601, killed by a small mimic 07:07 if two unknown gems of the same color in the same pile are randomly generated, is it most likely that they are glass? I don't usually find valuable gems in multiples 07:07 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 07:13 arahael - the goblin king isnt too difficult on purpose. that entire side branch is meant to be a fun diversion for lower level characters 07:15 [more backscroll] magicbane potentially cancelling monster inventory has been around since the beginning (for years). advantages are, if you encounter a monster decked out in full ecnahnted armor, you can drop their effective AC quite nicely with a couple whacks. not to mention that you can negate a lot of monsters nasty special abilities 07:15 Ah, neat. :) 07:17 monks can wear a shield, but its only good for them at master martial arts or lower. at grandmaster skill, they wont get the second attack if wearing a shield 07:19 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Trt Fem Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:1336 07:20 K2: Thanks. :) 07:24 -!- krm26 has joined #evilhack 07:29 Hi K2! 07:30 I guess it also matters if Magicbane is eg +2 or +7 for the chance of a cancel attack? 07:30 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Rog Gno Fem Cha), 5066 points, T:4998, killed by a warg 07:32 From memory it does. 07:37 for any of its special attacks, yes 07:37 +2 is the sweet spot 07:37 anything higher or lower, less chance of any of its special attacks from firing 07:37 hi mobileuser o/ 07:38 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Magicbane#Damage 07:39 +6 or +7 magicbane wont cancel 07:39 Yeah, so easy fix if you don't want Magicbane to cancel stuff :-) 07:39 I'd rather the extra +5, though! :) 07:44 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Rog Gno Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1348 07:58 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 08:04 -!- musicdemon has quit [Quit: Client closed] 08:09 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Trt Fem Law), 4249 points, T:3280, killed by a gnomish wizard 08:09 Damned gnomish wizards! 08:09 I also made the mistake of trying to sleep off the stunlock in the shell. 08:10 that was the first mistake i made with my first tortle. they just stack more stun 08:10 it can get up into the hundreds and hundreds of rounds 08:11 It's unbelievable. 08:12 i think the tortle #monster ability is pretty corner-case; bad luck can put you with 1hp somewhere without prayer surrounded by pretty weak enemies, and then you can enshell and heal. that's about it 08:14 Yeah, I thought a gnomish wizard would be a fairly weak monster, but turns out it wasn't. And I was low HP, and I couldn't pray. 08:23 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Mon Trt Fem Neu), 710 points, T:441, killed by the Goblin King 08:24 Oh great, TIL you can fill holes with water when fountain dipping 08:25 found a leprechaun to steal the weapon I was trying to pry off instead 08:26 now to deal with the pair of water demons I generated, fun fun fun... 08:27 hope you don't get lolthed 08:29 I really need to learn how to deal with gnomish wizards. They are seriously, the worst early game monster I have, and I have no real defense. 08:31 you need some kind of ranged attack. aklys, shuriken... 08:31 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 08:31 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 08:34 the aklys is an amazing ranged weapon 08:34 pets can also successfully chow down on gnomish wizards 08:34 and they are easy to avoid once you are telepathetic 08:35 mobileuser: Yes, but gnomish wizards are very ranged already... 08:36 don't carry potions or scrolls in open inventory around them 08:37 of course you're unlikely to see them outside of the mines until sokoban 08:38 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Rog Gno Fem Cha) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:3996 08:39 krm26: It's the two in minetown I find deadly, usually. 08:39 But at least I know they're there, at least. This one was outside of minetown. 08:41 the two in minetown are often stuck in a room you don't have to open; in any case, you can always skip em 08:43 krm26, tortle cant be stun locked when enshelled anymore 08:46 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Wiz Trt Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:1033 08:54 I'm suspecting enshelling only works once you have hungerless regeneration. 08:54 Until then, it's almost worse than useless. 08:54 k2: that is an amazing change! thx 08:54 (I've tried it in so many ways. Never had a good outcome from enshelling yet). 08:55 i have used it successfully against several crap opponents who would normally be no problem but due to a chute or an explosion or something i suddenly was in the danger hp zone 08:56 i have not been able to use it when i'm really getting crushed 08:56 Oh, that's one instance where enshelling did work actually. 08:56 You can't be crushed while enshelled. 08:56 one problem is that monsters tend to have infinite resources, so it isn't like you can enshell while they tire themselves out or blow all their magic or whatever 08:56 Yeah, I've yet to have a monster give up and go away. 08:56 i meant "crushed" as in "having the crap beaten out of you" 08:57 Oh, ha. 08:57 Yeah... I seriously feel that the -40 AC is a lie. 08:57 at least their is cake 08:58 Which you can't eat while enshelled. 09:00 "the two in minetown are often stuck in a room you don't have to open" if anything was ever a blatant lie it was this 09:01 might need to tweak ac amount when enshelled 09:01 been thinking about this for awhile 09:01 Umbire they often start out in the temple I think? 09:02 i think ac is fine, i'd do more damage reduction and +2MC! 09:02 they can also start in the temple 09:02 depends on the minetown layout 09:02 aka the one room I tend to kinda need when going to Minetown 09:02 that they can just waltz out of 09:04 K2: I've yet to get to XP 12, but I suspect that once I get hungerless regen, it'll be much more sensible. 09:05 tortles get some enhanced regen when enshelled. its not as a good as regen intrinsic but its better than normal hp regen 09:06 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Wiz Trt Fem Neu), 3046 points, T:2357, quit 09:07 K2: The expectation I had was that I would be nearly immune, I mean, freaking -40 AC? I think not having regen would actually be closer to the expectation. 09:07 i thought a -40 ac boost would have been sufficient 09:07 turns out negative AC is nerfed for the player compared to monsters 09:07 K2: It really doesn't feel like -40, that's the whole point. 09:07 instead of rolling against your AC it rolls against a random number between your AC and 0 09:08 so -40 AC could be exactly the same as 0 AC if you get consistently unlucky on those rolls 09:08 ^^ That could be what's happening. 09:08 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 09:08 right, there's always a chance a monster could land a hit no matter what your AC is. pulled that from sporkhack a LONG time ago 09:08 I mean, frequently, my *hat* or *shield* reflects the blow, while enshelled. 09:09 [hdf-au] [evil] Umbire (Bar Gia Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:6643 09:10 maybe enshelled should just be its own prior-to-normal-combat effect, n% chance of "monster scrabbles uselessly at your magnificent shell" 09:10 And given that when you're enshelled, you're going to be wack-wack-wacked to heck, the chance is quite high that you'll get a lot of unlucky rolls. 09:10 short-circuiting everything 09:11 k2 that's not from sporkhack, it's vanilla behavior 09:11 really? 09:11 oh wait 09:11 ok i remember - monsters enjoy the same damage reduction as players based on their ac, that did come from spork 09:12 in vanilla AC_VALUE(AC) is ((AC) >= 0 ? (AC) : -rnd(-(AC))) -- and monsters roll against AC_VALUE(u.uac) + 10 09:13 so basically "a random number between your negative AC and -1, plus 10" 09:13 oof 09:13 ORCTOWN! 09:13 the comment is /* negative armor class is randomly weakened to prevent invulnerability */ 09:13 i see the bit in hack.h 09:13 yeah 09:13 yeah ultra-high AC is legit diminishing returns after a while 09:13 And remember, while enshelled, you're getting wacked a fair bit. 09:13 where's the +10 coming from 09:13 dammit not orctown 09:14 K2: tmp = AC_VALUE(u.uac) + 10; /* tmp ~= 0 - 20 */ 09:14 meagre town 09:14 mattacku(mhitu.c) 09:14 thanks 09:14 I'd kill for Orctown at this rate, none of those fuckwit wizards around and I get to have fun with the 'free' altar 09:15 oh and if it's negative or zero after that, it gets set to 1 09:15 it even has a general store for price id 09:15 yup 09:15 i see it 09:15 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Trt Fem Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:1345 09:16 though i think 1 means they will never hit so it's not like that hurts you 09:16 this is all vanilla code 09:16 just makes the comparisons easier i guess 09:16 hmm 09:16 orctown is far and away the best town 09:17 it makes sense though, they are rolling a d20 and trying to get below your AC. if your AC is negative for real, it means they can't hit you unless they have enchanted weapons. -40? forget about it, monsters couldn't touch you 09:17 those pissant midget towns with a candle shop and health food store can blow me 09:17 without screwing up how AC works... could make it so when enshelled, that +10 is some other value 09:17 yeah that's what I was going to say, if you want to make the player more invulnerable when shelled you could modify this code with some special Hidinshell case 09:17 qt yeah enchanted weapons or a very high level 09:17 every swing's damage max(0,original-10) 09:18 yeah, true 09:18 10 damage off the top of each swing 09:18 if (Hisinshell) tmp -= 10; 09:18 or instead of 10 a bell curve from level 09:18 *Hidinshell 09:19 so from like -5 at level 1 to a nice solid -10 in the midgame to like -12 or -15 at the top end 09:19 What I didn't expect was to have relatively low level monsters still be able to kill me in the shell. 09:19 dammit i've washed my hands twice and they still smell like fish 09:19 K2: Which fish, though? ;) 09:19 k2, are you maybe a fish? 09:19 salmon 09:19 just a thought 09:19 had some lox 09:20 he does live in new england 09:20 Salmon is awesome. 09:20 could be a lovecraft thing 09:20 What's "lox"? 09:20 damn, i just made fresh bagels this morning but i didn't have any lox 09:20 you've never had lox arahael? 09:20 or even heard of it? 09:20 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lox 09:20 it's salmon you put on a bagel basically 09:20 never heard of lox! meshuggah! 09:21 its delicious 09:21 Ah, we call that "smoked salmon" here, and yes, it's delicious. I usually get "double smoked", non-smoked is a bit hard to find. 09:21 lox with red onions and capers... mmm MMMMM 09:21 it may not be the same thing as smoked salmon 09:21 its not 09:21 it's brined or something 09:21 lox is brined 09:21 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:16731 09:22 it can be brined smoked salmon i think but not necessarily 09:22 It "looks" like it's still raw, so I'd say it's definitely still brined here. 09:22 arahael you can impress all your friends by ordering lox 09:22 it lox like it's still raw 09:22 and then impart your newfound knowledge 09:22 lox is meant to be dill-cured but you often get smoked salmon on bagels in america 09:23 Unfortunately the bit I've got left in the fridge is probably too old. :( However, about 4 days ago I had it with pickles, sliced shallots, pepper, and olive oil on pasta. :) 09:23 and wash it down with a Fosters 09:23 :D 09:23 Well, the "smoked salmon" I"m talking about looks *exactly* like the salmon in that wikipedia page. 09:25 Anyway, to avoid the fish smell on the hands, I use chopsticks. :) 09:25 the smoked salmon wikipedia article is confused, at the top it says "Although the term lox is sometimes applied to smoked salmon, they are different products." and then a little later it starts talking about lox under the "presentation" lol 09:27 This is typical what I would get: https://www.woolworths.com.au/shop/productdetails/15397/huon-tasmanian-smoked-salmon-cold-smoked 09:27 you will get the best information about lox here: https://yi.wikipedia.org/wiki/ 09:27 is that yiddish wikipedia 09:27 That page is... Upside down... 09:28 just right to left 09:28 לאַקס 09:28 I'm in a terminal, I wouldn't trust that RTL text is presented correctly. 09:30 I have a... tame paper golem here? 09:30 I did not bring a pet... 09:30 i didnt have any bagels in the house so I toasted an english muffin and put the lox on it 09:30 read it, maybe it has its old owner written down 09:30 i hate chopsticks 09:30 the categories on the yiddish wikipedia are: "Judaism, Yiddish language, the Holocaust, Israel, Holy books, Hasidic court, Rabbis, Mitzvos and customs, Mathematics, Physics, Technology, Biology, Medicine, Geography, History, Sociology" 09:30 krm26: Ha. :) 09:31 i've done lox and jelly on an english muffin before, not bad at all 09:31 in that order 09:31 I'd probably find lox on a bagel to be very very strange. 09:31 Though I would enjoy it on a baguette. 09:31 Or rice. Or pasta. 09:31 they really spell mitzvah mitzvo? weird 09:32 that's just copied from google translate 09:32 oh 09:32 yiddish romanization is crapola compared to like japanese 09:32 (and probably other languages that i don't know crap about as well) 09:33 Speaking of machine translation, most of the japanese people I talk to seem to prefer deepl.com 09:34 qt I did the thing in mhitu.c as a test 09:34 deepl isn't as reliant on pure machine learning 09:34 + if (Hidinshell) /* enshelled tortles are much harder to hit */ 09:34 + tmp -= 10; 09:34 my level 1 tortle barbarian enshelled lasted over 40 turns against a minotaur 09:34 i don't think deepl.com has yiddish 09:34 or hebrew 09:34 and machine learning is of course always as bad as we are at explaining to it what in hell it is supposed to be learning. so, quite bad 09:34 i put in "מצוות" and it autodetected that it should be translating english->german 09:35 the english->german translation of מצוות is מצוות btw 09:35 heh 09:35 K2: That should be good! 09:35 lets do a test vs a horde of orcs 09:35 yiddish is basically german dipped in hebrew so 09:35 K2: Could it have M2 as well, but only while enshelled? 09:36 *MC2 09:36 (well, 16th century german) 09:37 no, i'm not adding on MC 09:38 level 1 enshelled tortle barbarian successfully survived against 4 uruk-hai and a jackal 09:38 'successfully survived' 09:38 apparently mitzvos is used instead of mitzvot by certain people https://outorah.org/p/6284 09:38 wtf is that 09:38 to what I said, not your link qt 09:39 Heh. I'll take any survival, especially successfully. 09:39 lets try a gaggle of elven royalty 09:41 heh not so much 09:41 6 elven royalty took me down in 16 turns 09:41 i think they have M3_ACCURATE flag 09:42 they do, which would half-negate the bonus for being enshelled 09:44 Heh, right now I'm enshelled, actually, against a *rope* golem. 09:44 And I'm barely surviving! :D 09:44 Hovering around 23 HP, even. 09:45 No, now I'm slooooowly gaining, but for a while I was hovering. 09:46 K2 did you see the bug report by screamingskull yesterday? 09:46 "pet purple worm has broken free from its leash and moves to the far upper left corner." 09:46 i did 09:47 no idea why that is happening 09:47 Fuck me, demons gate even on missed attacks 09:47 as in "I'm not even standing over there" misse 09:47 misses* 09:47 I'm surprised I haven't eaten shit already 09:51 yeah demon gating can be bad if the rng isn't with you 09:52 Yeah being invisible around demons can give you some nice surprises too, since it can activate on their missing where they think you are 09:52 i had a game people may remember me incessantly whining about late last year that went, i think, water demon -> water demon -> water demon -> some other demon -> lolth in like 8 turns 09:52 Oh you just said that 09:52 I remember one game I had a while back when I had all the demon princes gate in. :) 09:57 oh yeah this is going to work 09:58 enshelling just became more worthwhile 09:58 > The pink potion evaporates. You feel a little normal. 09:58 > You feel like a new tortle! 09:58 What was that? 09:58 K2: Yay! 09:58 polymorph 09:58 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Rog Gno Fem Cha) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:26944 09:58 Ah, poly while hallu, I guess. 09:59 VaderFLAG notice anything about sting? 09:59 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) averted death (killed by a death ray), on T:19535 09:59 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 138209 points, T:19536, killed by a death ray 10:00 No, was it always mithril? 10:00 -!- VaderFLAG has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:00 heh 10:00 -!- VaderFLAG has joined #evilhack 10:00 god how did I fat finger ctrl q 10:00 no it wasnt ever mithril until 0.8.0 10:00 !lastgame 10:00 Umbire: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/d/dgoddard/evilhack/dumplog/1652201771.evil.html :: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/A/AlbertB/evilhack/dumplog/1651844858.evil.html :: [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/A/Arahael/evilhack/dumplog/1652257457.evil.html 10:00 That's super useful for goblin king, assuming you can handle the elves 10:00 of course it was always mithril in the hobbit 10:01 and lotr 10:01 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Rog Gno Fem Cha) chose a runed broadsword to be named "Orcrist", on T:27001 10:01 same for orcrist :P 10:02 was it? don't recall seeing that 10:02 not for disbelief's sake mind, just never a detail I noticed 10:02 I seem to remember that the material didn't used to change. 10:03 it didnt 10:03 this is new for current version 10:03 Right. 10:04 I bet that double death wand was a centaur soldier getting all speedy with it 10:04 Man, I wish I could enshell now, and not die. 10:05 hold on :) 10:05 VaderFLAG or a bounce 10:05 Oh sure, beef enshelling now that I'm taking a tortle break :) 10:06 I thought it was gonna be a bounce, log says otherwise 10:06 K2: Hadn't anyone complained about the enshellign AC, or did my critique just hit the right tone? ;) 10:07 [hdf-au] [evil] Umbire (Bar Gia Fem Cha) rejected atheism by offering a gnomish wizard corpse on an altar of Set, on T:8162 10:08 right tone 10:08 I mean, I'd been thinking about it already 10:08 Probably the timing of it really. 10:08 Yeah. 10:08 Now that I'm playing a melee class, forging is so much fun 10:08 sweet 10:09 Gremlins in minetown and a chameleon that nearly dusted me 10:09 credit where credit is due, I grabbed #forge from splicehack 10:09 but its different in evilhack vs splicehack 10:09 [hdf-au] [evil] Umbire (Bar Gia Fem Cha) had Cleaver bestowed upon her by Set, on T:8252 10:09 Worth the suffering 10:14 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 2 commits to master [+0/-0/±4] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/565f5035b68d...2e35732cfa70 10:14 [EvilHack] k21971 ab46b34 - Enshelled tortles are supposed to be harder to hit. 10:14 [EvilHack] k21971 2e35732 - Fix: failure restoring embedded dragon scales. 10:15 those commits are live - if currently playing/save/reload to catch the changes 10:15 Woohoo! 10:15 K2: You forgot to test vampire lords. 10:16 Blue V's, anyway, I think those are lods. 10:16 *lords 10:16 > You retreat into your shell. It narrowly misses! It bites! Goodbye level 6. 10:16 And I'm now HP 4. 10:16 sharp pointy teeth 10:16 Very sharp. Very pointy! :D 10:16 it bit your lil nub tail 10:16 I like that tail! 10:17 lol 10:19 EPI: when you get your (or any quest artifact) without killing the nemesis, there is a chance for it to randomly spawn, especially when you have acquired the amulet 10:19 i like 10:21 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:24 [hdf-au] [evil] Umbire (Bar Gia Fem Cha), 7096 points, T:8471, killed by a forest centaur 10:24 worst spot to stick one of those fucks 10:24 whatever, next game. 10:24 !lastgame Umbire 10:24 krm26: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/U/Umbire/evilhack/dumplog/1631195819.evil.html :: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/U/Umbire/evilhack/dumplog/1644885977.evil.html :: [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/U/Umbire/evilhack/dumplog/1652204578.evil.html 10:25 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 10:25 heh, cleave-proof huh 10:25 K2: What was the last thing I said? 10:26 Something about vampire lord testing. 10:26 arahael: "I like that tail!" 10:26 Also that. 10:26 Ah, thanks. Yes, I like that tail! 10:26 So I guess enshelling effectiveness is going to be very dependant on the type of monster? (How do we determine what those are, without trial and error as a player?) 10:26 it's going to be less effective the higher level the monster is 10:27 like any armor 10:27 Even with the -10 thing? 10:27 basically it's the same as other armor, except that it's even more protective than the AC would suggest 10:27 there should be some vegetable to feed to an herbivorous pet and give it telepathy 10:28 krm26: https://0x0.st/ompX.jpg 10:29 heh 10:29 there are various attacks you're immune to when enshelled - stings, crushed, beheading, other attacks to the head (flayers, zombie bite attack) 10:29 can you be bullwhipped/bearded when enshelled? 10:29 no 10:30 buy you can be bearded in your lair! 10:30 But not vampire bites? 10:30 no 10:30 maybe later i dunno 10:30 thinking 10:31 Don't vampires need to get into the neck? 10:31 Or at least some nice deep vein? 10:32 in dnd i think vampires drain with Vampiric Touch 10:33 in nethack its their actual bite 10:33 makes sense i suppose 10:33 Those teeth must be insanely sharp! :D 10:33 (for enshelling to protect against that) 10:33 they just nibble on the shell 10:33 nomnomnom 10:33 then why can vampires level drain water elementals 10:34 CHECKMATE 10:34 https://www.hardfought.org/phpBB3/gallery/image/2552/source 10:34 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Con Ith Fem Cha), 2811 points, T:4684, killed by an acidic glob 10:35 well... water would be easier 10:35 blood is thicker than water as they say 10:35 https://www.debate.org/opinions/can-you-chew-water 10:35 yes 10:35 ice cubes, duh 10:37 gelatinous^wice cube 10:38 i know what would make you happy, NetSysFire 10:38 grease? 10:38 new monster - Grease Elemental 10:38 YES 10:38 but i already talked about this earlier 10:38 NetSysFire: I didn't realise you liked fatbergs. 10:38 That's what grease elementals are, I'm certain. 10:38 who doesn't like fatbergs 10:38 oil elemental - makes your hands slippery and can be instakilled by fire, but explode with you 10:38 * arahael shudders. 10:38 wtf is a fatberg 10:38 i think you should add one random demiplane to the 4 planes each ascension k2 10:39 K2: You *really* don't want to know, but they come from the sewer. 10:39 a shit demon? 10:39 K2: Yes, but in real life, they're called fatbergs. 10:39 K2: Basically a mixture of poop, wet wipes, and fat. They block sewers. 10:40 [hdf-au] [evil] Umbire (Bar Gia Mal Neu), 250 points, T:1117, killed by a sling bullet 10:40 It's why there's so much controversy over "flushable wipes", because funnily enough, it turns out they're not actualy flushable. They form flatbergs. 10:40 *fatbergs 10:40 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatberg 10:40 plane of sewer 10:40 That. 10:41 Now, why didn't Amy's variant of nethack have those? 10:41 one of the paraelemental planes is ooze 10:41 arahael: she probably has a plane of urine and dog shit 10:42 >they don't know about the various Gehennom piss levels 10:42 both is in her game 10:42 oh no 10:42 i think they are smoke (fire/air), magma (fire/earth), ice (duh), ooze (water/earth) 10:42 you mean mud 10:42