00:16 [hdf-us] [evil] gpsalmoncannon (Tou Trt Mal Neu), 571 points, T:1516, killed by a piranha 00:32 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:33 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 00:35 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:35 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 01:04 -!- Pinkbeast has quit [*.net *.split] 01:04 -!- Pinkbeast has joined #evilhack 01:34 [hdf-us] [evil] gpsalmoncannon (Arc Trt Mal Law), 1255 points, T:4800, poisoned by a shuriken 01:43 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 02:15 I've been noticing that I don't start with a book of psionic anymore. 02:16 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 294 points, T:901, killed by falling down a mine shaft 02:18 tortle monk does seem fun! Just in dlvl1 at the moment... 02:20 Had to clear out a horde of zombies and stash them in a shop. 02:20 Only cost me 3 of my precious 7 Intelligence score, no big deal... 02:20 You'll get them back. 02:22 tortle monk is definitely super easy. 02:25 Oooh! "Access denied, by order of the Goblin King" I think I read about this! 02:31 [hdf-au] [evil] Umbire (Bar Gia Mal Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping a square amulet on an altar, on T:3869 02:32 Tucked away that altar was 02:35 Yoda grammar. 02:38 Hmm, so how do I find this goblin town? I thought hte portal was on dlvl 2-3? 02:39 it is 02:39 Hmm, there must be a hidden room then. 02:41 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Trt Fem Law) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3339 02:42 Is it in a closet or something, usually? 02:43 I've only found it in main rooms... 02:44 but it's not immediately visible, you need to find it 02:44 like the quest portal 02:44 try to walk over every square :-) 02:45 > You hear what sounds like a goblin war party off in the distance. 02:45 So it must be this level, dlvl 3. 02:45 I have walked over every square! Methodically. 02:46 You either didn't or you missed a room 02:46 find a pick-axe? 02:46 There's definitely a hidden room. And no, no pickaxe yet. 02:47 Found it. 02:48 Yay! 02:53 [hdf-au] [evil] Umbire (Bar Gia Mal Cha) became literate by reading the fortune inside a cookie, on T:4971 02:57 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Trt Fem Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:5268 02:58 Super easy, but then again, I am tortle. 02:59 Tortle power! 03:00 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Trt Fem Law), 4766 points, T:5534, killed by brainlessness 03:00 Those zombies are still vicious. 03:01 Especially after loosing the int from sitting on that throne. 03:06 Converted the altar, gave the fire E the run around and eventually killed it 03:06 almost pinned between it and a rock piercer 03:12 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Trt Fem Law), 875 points, T:1426, killed by the Goblin King, while praying 03:12 Wasn't expecting the Goblin King to still be able to kill me whilst in a shell. -45 AC isn't as good as it used to be. 03:14 Yeah lot o' people complained 03:14 ID'd blessed restore ability and drunk it, problem solved 03:14 now to have a normal game 03:15 About the -45 being not as effective? 03:17 Mhm 03:19 I'm taking that as a yes. :D 03:20 Was also surprised to learn that my *gloves* protected me, whilst in the shell. ;) (Not really, but) 03:21 [hdf-au] [evil] Umbire (Bar Gia Mal Cha) had Cleaver bestowed upon him by Set, on T:7177 03:22 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 1171 points, T:1564, killed by an invisible wererat 03:37 maybe tortle monk is not super easy? ;-) 03:38 Heh, I'm also sick with flu, and doing things without thinking. :) 03:39 Also, that latest death there was Illithid... I'm now in my third tortle game. :D 03:40 (The illithid fell to like, dlvl 7 from the top!) 03:44 arahael: i think the goblin king deals mean bashing damage with his staff and your shell is susceptible to it 03:45 if it was cutting damage it wouldnt be as bad i think 03:45 NetSysFire: Does the type of damage matter now? 03:45 i dont know but this is what i would guess 03:45 @e?goblin king 03:45 Goblin King (o) | Lvl: 8 | Diff: 10 | Spd: 12 | Res: poison | Confers: nothing | MR: 10 | Generates: unique | AC: 7 | Attacks: 2d6 weapon physical, 2d6 weapon physical | Alignment: -15 | Flags: omnivore, nopoly, stalker, infravisible 03:47 Still, I'm surprised it got me through -45. 03:47 I was very very very low level, though. 03:47 even in this new game when I went straight down to the goblin king level, I'm higher level - Xp 5 now. 03:48 From what I've seen by others, I don't think hiding in your shell is great unless you have pets that can deal with things 03:49 * NetSysFire puts a blessed greased figurine of a woodchuck called carl on the ground to summon K2 to get an answer if bashing damage is more effective against tortle shells 03:50 mobileuser: Yeah, I think you'd want some sort of accelerated regen if you're in the shell. 03:52 It's difficult to design a good balance, if regen is too good then the game becomes too easy? 03:53 You've got a few hundred turns in that shell. It's going to be a massive difference in the mid game. 03:54 Sooo tired. 04:04 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 04:36 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Trt Fem Law), 3136 points, T:3849, zombified by an elf zombie, while reading a book 04:37 Yep, at -6, best not go wacking zombies, definitely a weak spot, still. 04:55 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Trt Fem Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:763 05:29 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 05:40 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Trt Fem Law), 9915 points, T:3779, killed by a gargoyle 05:40 Hmm, ok, so that shell really doesn't do any favours when you're in it. The -40 AC does... Very little. 05:49 -!- musicdemon has joined #evilhack 06:17 [hdf-us] [evil] lgxia (Val Hum Fem Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:31575 06:26 [hdf-us] [evil] musicdemon (Bar Gia Mal Neu) murdered Idefix, his faithful little dog, on T:3029 06:33 [hdf-us] [evil] musicdemon (Bar Gia Mal Neu) destroyed coplate's ghost, the former Conjurer, on T:3464 06:35 K2: Why doesn't a mummy wrapping "fit my body"? 06:35 I am certain I have seen tortles wear them. 06:42 tortles can't wear any cloaks 06:50 Yeah, I realise, still, "mummy wrap" isn't a cloak to my mind, even though it might - technically - be one. 06:53 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Trt Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a black light, on T:4698 06:53 A black light. That's new. 06:55 Hmm, I can't do control-f at all? 06:57 I quite like how it helpfully says things like "You can still breathe, though", or "You have no free claw". 06:58 "The goblin zaps a wand called 'Nothing'! You feel magical energies being absorbed from your vicinity" ?? 06:59 you probably test-engraved with an empty wand? 07:00 I test engraved and did the corpse-lockedbox-door test. Nothin 07:00 corpse-lockedbox-door test?? 07:01 oh to see if it is opening etc 07:01 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Trt Fem Law) consumed animal products (fortune cookie) for the first time, on T:5494 07:01 exactly 07:01 well, if it was empty... 07:01 it can happen 07:01 I always forget fortune cookies aren't vegan. 07:02 oh, I see what happened. I needed to have an engraving on the square before engrave testing, so I could get the cancellation message. 07:02 ah! 07:03 I was confused because that phrase wasn't on nethackwiki, but maybe K2 added it into this variant 07:03 yeah, I wasted a poly charge in my own game because I forgot to write a "dust" message first 07:03 Oops, just crashed nethack! 07:04 yes "magical energies being absorbed from your vicinity" is always cancellation 07:04 K2: You probably got a core dump, but sadly, I missed the stack trace. 07:04 arahael, it's probably in your ttyrec 07:04 I always forget where that is. 07:04 1 moment... 07:05 https://www.hardfought.org/nethack/ttyrecs/ 07:06 mmm let's see where the most recent ones are... 07:06 Yeah, those are a little old. 07:07 -!- musicdemon has quit [Quit: Client closed] 07:07 https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/A/Arahael/evilhack/ttyrec/ 07:09 Suddenly, the dungeon collapses. 07:09 > Suddenly, the dungeon collapses. 07:09 heh 07:09 Not much info at all. 07:09 something with relink_timers 07:09 arahael: some people -- i can't recall who :-) -- have noted that enshelling would be more useful with a little ramping damage reduction, some MC, and a chance for monsters who whiff on you a few times to give up and wander off 07:11 I didn't realise monsters would ever give up! I thought if they attacked you, they'll keep attacking until you've moved away! 07:11 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 07:14 no you are reading my fevered dreams about how i would actually use #monster as a tortle 07:14 monsters are very focused right now 07:14 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 07:14 hello 07:14 Hello rebatela, Welcome to #evilhack 07:15 it's hard to find the right balance though, you don't want to make it a get-out-jail-free card 07:16 whats happening mobileuser 07:16 tortle discussions 07:16 i'm still playing one 07:17 i have dragonbane i think 07:17 early wish ftw 07:17 yay :-) 07:17 don't know if ican play right now lol 07:17 i think actually it would be hard making it a get out of jail free card, it is like a weak, time-consuming, iffy healing potion with a cooldown 07:17 wtf are you guys talking about 07:18 tortle retreat to shell 07:18 oh yeah 07:18 i've only done it once 07:18 can you cast magic missile from your shell? 07:18 nope 07:19 you can't do anything 07:19 yeah it seems rather pointless tbh 07:19 unless i'm missing something 07:19 you heal? 07:19 things can't hurt you? 07:19 !who 07:19 K2: [hdf-us] No current players :: [hdf-eu] No current players :: [hdf-au] No current players 07:19 morning k2 07:19 hey 07:19 Hello K2, Welcome to #evilhack 07:19 arahael, game is recovered 07:19 i got a backtrace 07:19 things have more trouble hurting you 07:19 the tortle enshellment should be more like the march of the 10,000 than napoleon's retreat from russia 07:20 trouble? 07:20 like it misses? 07:20 you get lower AC and half damage 07:20 K2: Any clues as to what happened with it, or looking at it later? 07:20 i have a backtrace 07:20 K2: Just got back in, but it didn't recover. 07:20 some obj timer by the looks of it 07:21 wait what? 07:21 It's asking to start a new game, even. 07:21 exit dgl 07:21 Now it's prompting to recover some stale processes. That's promising. 07:21 Unfortunately, it's recovered the brand new one. 07:22 exit dgl 07:22 brand new keyboard 07:22 i'm gonna typo myself to death 07:22 disconnect arahael 07:22 I did, I even closed the terminal entirely and reconnected using ssh. 07:22 and yeah i do have dbane sweet 07:22 i mean, dont go back in yet 07:22 Ah, ok. 07:23 shit 07:23 i may have to restore from an older backup 07:24 K2: Don't worry about it, I'll start a new game tomorrow. :) 07:25 what time is it in australia 07:25 i gotta go back in about 30 min 07:25 I'm rather foggy right now anyway, still have the flu. It's currently 21:25 07:25 and how have you been arahael ? 07:25 foggy ok 07:25 I've been good, and quite busy, though right now have the flu. Been foggy and sleepy all weekend. :/ 07:25 oh man... feel better :( 07:26 i mean FEEL BETTER :) 07:26 There's a big flu epidemic happening a the moment in this area, my wife got hit first, then me. Seems everybody focused too much on covid, then they relaxed the rules and forgot entirely that there's still the flu. 07:26 covid or flu? flu sucks too 07:26 oic 07:26 yep 07:27 I should do some RAT tests, but blegh, my nose hurts as it is. My wife did hers earlier, though, and it didn't detect covid. 07:27 remember that an amulet of magical breathing protects from airborn illness 07:27 we can FINALLY get free covid tests in the states 07:27 a little late... 07:27 rebatela: Theyc ost some $50 here, *each*, but my wife's a teacher and is required to take them weekly. 07:28 (Her school provides them) 07:28 wow 07:28 i got a bunch... the post office just delivers it. but it should have happened like 2 years ago lol 07:28 trump said no 07:28 Right. 07:28 Trump's an idiot, anyway. 07:28 ya think? 07:29 Well, not entirely sure, depends on how much I trust the media, you see? /s 07:29 don't have to be smart to destroy the world 07:29 like they were gonna send everyone masks and test kits and the whole thing at the very beginning... nope 07:29 tried to pretend it wasnt happeneing 07:29 He messed up the china politics, too, which resulted in a power vaccuum and has affected Australia. :/ 07:30 But our politics are doing whatever they can to mess things up, too, so it's a wash. :( 07:30 i'm way into politics... but i know absolutely nothing about austraila i should learn 07:30 We have federal votes in about a week or two, will be very interesting what the results are. 07:30 they trade with china (obvoulsy) 07:30 Really hoping that Liberal gets kicked out. 07:30 are the right wing nuts like trump there? 07:30 (Liberal is our 'conservative' party here.) 07:31 what?? 07:31 Yep. 07:31 worldwide trend among mature democracies of electing more pro-fascist, pro-totalitarian leadership which correlates to the penetration of facebook and twitter among the voting populous. so yay for tech! 07:32 i'm copypasting that if you don't mind 07:32 lol 07:32 I'm predicting a rise in greens, independents, but I'm doubtful it'll be enough to seriously kick out liberal and labour (which are similar to liberal, but slightly more focused on the working class. Slightly. 07:33 it's definitely what's happening HERE 07:34 here the green shit is just to take votes away from the D... it's all fixed it's horrible (i vote tho) 07:35 Here, everybody is required to vote, which helps. 07:35 i have a cool idea that won't happen which i think would fix almost everything wrong with the world in a few decades 07:35 krm26: Don't say global warming. 07:35 a very very simple mechanical idea 07:35 i guess i should say, that would fix almost everything that people do that is wrong with the world 07:35 we're all dead because of global warming no matter what 07:36 omg if you HAD to vote in america? 07:36 it would be the most progressive country in the world 07:36 the idea is: something can only be "owned" if it can be traced in TWO STEPS to a real public human identity 07:36 rebatela: You sure about that? 07:36 no 07:36 rebatela: Because if you control the media... You control a significant amount of the votes. 07:36 so a corporation can own something if its shareholders are people. 07:36 but no more shells 07:37 ad buy? you can tell you paid for it 07:37 it's way WAY WAy MORE PROGressive than the media etc. makes one think... if you poll people on issues? 07:37 who owns that yacht? everyone knows 07:37 bible belt and all that is nuts 07:37 can't trace it to a person in two steps? nationalize the fucker 07:37 but the rest of the country 07:37 attribution and accountability 07:37 florida is the worst ;) 07:37 jk bro 07:38 florida is such a craphole 07:38 best COPS scenes tho... 07:38 the working environment at dak is great tho 07:38 Anyway, so the votes here will be very interesting. Normally we're very civil when it comes to the votes - we all turn up to the voting places, cast the vote, walk out, and grab a democracy sausage. 07:39 But this time round it's slightly more heated, there's a lot of vandalisation on the independents and other political adverts at the moment. 07:39 (Which are apparently being investigated) 07:39 Doubt they'll find anything though. (How would you even start investigating it?) 07:39 how do they make you vote 07:39 rebatela: You get fined if you don't. 07:39 that's WILD 07:39 if like the edinburgh zoo wants to hire a clinical vet and support her elasmobranch and gorilla research and conservation projects we'll be out of florida in 2 minutes 07:40 omg if it was like that here.. 07:40 they try to keep people from voting here... 07:40 it's the only way it can be crazy like it is now 07:40 of course everybody voting doesn't change the world a lot if everybody has nothing but propaganda between their ears 07:40 rebatela: They do pretty much everything they can think of to get people to vote, too. Early-voting has started, I think. You can pre-vote by post, all that. 07:40 rebatela: You can even leave your vote at an embassy, I think. 07:40 my god they'd be taxing the rich if you made people vote here.... 07:40 the hold world would be different... 07:42 krm26 if everybody in america had to vote? 07:42 a republican would never win again 07:42 anything 07:42 not a seat 07:42 it's not like it's 50/50... people don't vote 07:42 nope, republican election officials would just say it was fraud; black voters wouldn't be allowed to vote because they didn't have the right form of id; etc. 07:43 more people on the right vote. that's all it is 07:43 lol exactly 07:43 by design, it is easier to vote if you are wealthy, retired, live in the suburbs, etc 07:43 yep 07:44 especially in the south.... they disenfranchise 07:44 in the poor places 07:44 the united states basically has expanded redlining as a way of life in most aspects of our society 07:44 you have to stand in line for hours? 07:44 wtf 07:44 and it's illegal now to give them water or whatever? 07:44 laws are weapons 07:45 krm26: Actually that's part of the intention of making everybody required to vote - it ensures that it remains simple and convenient. 07:45 just a lot of foolish people who haven't realized there's a war for the past, oh, 4-5 decades 07:45 you can require everyone to vote and still throw out votes that don't meet your id requirements 07:45 and you can bet your ass that would be happening here 07:45 ID requirements? 07:46 also notice people can't vote if they're felons, and it's easy to rack up felons if you criminalize anything/everything, cough cough 07:46 yup, a clever republican thought. there is under 0.0001% voter fraud in our general elections, so enact laws to throw out like 10% of the vote 07:46 Umbire: Pretty sure felons vote here, too. Everybody votes. 07:46 whether felons can vote or not (or ex-cons) is up to each state 07:47 ID requirement is unconstitunional= (i know i didnt spell it right ) 07:47 and again who doesn't have id's? poor people 07:47 one would think it was, but our supreme court is gonna say f you 07:47 dont need id where i live 07:47 Looks like the only case of prisoners not being able to vote is if they're currenly serving a sentence of 3 years or more. But once they're out, they're again required to vote. 07:48 but you need an ID at some point to REGISTER to vote so the whole thing about fradulence it dumb 07:48 nationwide voter id laws will be constitutional in another few supreme court sesions, wait and see 07:48 find me a news story of someone going to vote and they say they someone voted in their name lying (it doesn'gt happen) 07:48 yeah, almost all of our voter fraud in recent years has been by people complaining about rampant voter fraud 07:48 not in mass... 07:49 no 07:49 people will protest that shit here... i will at least 07:49 i've lived without an ID... 07:49 voting is my right 07:49 hah, protest isn't gonna change a supreme court ruling. kind of the point of the court 07:49 it's a poll tax if you have to BUY an ID 07:49 K2: Btw, I've now started a new game already. :D 07:50 kind of way we shouldn't have let it get packed with angry partisans who don't give a crap about anything but winning 07:50 how about every gets a FREE federal ID?? let's staRT there 07:50 but oh well! live and learn 07:51 jeez araheal with your evilhack-related messages! 07:51 wouldn't have had to pack it if they'd retire when it made sense to 07:51 :^) 07:51 also should actually deal with Goblin Town while I wait for this one person 07:51 krm26: I think evilhack fits the current topic, thank you very much. (Yes, puns intended, if that's the right word. ;) ) 07:51 i know we should be talking politics in the hardfought channel 07:52 i'm too lazy to switch channels, i never leave evilhack 07:52 i know... hehe 07:52 me too 07:52 I'm not in any of the other channels at the moment, either. 07:53 i see hardfought blinking green at me occasionally but it is always just me finding a luckstone 07:53 why don't they just give everyone an ID? 07:53 if they are really worried about fraud 07:53 that doesn't exist 07:53 they aren't really worried about fraud 07:53 they are worried about voter suppression 07:53 but giving everyone an id is actually hard 07:54 unless it is gonna be a meaningless "anyone take a ticket" kinda thing 07:54 an ID law wouldn't bogther me so much if they did that though (for FREE) 07:54 and it is hardest for old, poor, minorities 07:54 but yeah you're right 07:54 How so? everybody has a name, at least in western countries, were born around a certain date (again, in western countries), etc. 07:54 people still would never get them 07:54 even free it can be hard for some people to travel, communicate, document, understand, etc 07:54 hispanics are afraid to vote as it is 07:54 your problem is that Napoleon never conquered you ;-) 07:55 because they will be living with other people who dont have papers etc 07:55 and that is a good point, who would trust our government, which can veer into full-blown fascism at any given election 07:55 krm26: That's actually a problem for our aboriginals in some areas. They basically have to travel for *hundreds* of kilometers, on foot, and they often don't, and can't. 07:55 yeah like who is the next trump? if it's someone with a brain we are FUCKED 07:56 i am very curious whether desantis or trump will win the republican nomination, i've got no clue how that will shake out 07:56 they are both vile but desantis has a lot more focus and energy 07:56 Does trump honestly have a chance? 07:56 the mistake people keep making is thinking trump is both entirely unique and completely unprecedented when he's very much neither 07:56 oh sure 07:57 desantis pretends to be a dumbass to cater to the base, but he IS intelligent 07:57 a lot can change but if the general election happened today, trump v biden, trump would win for sure 07:57 What surprises me is how... Old, the candidates all are in the US. 07:57 horrible worldview but he went to harvard and shit 07:57 also ofc he has a chance, just like he had a chance before despite the dem campaign pied piper trolling themselves into believing otherwise 07:57 Nothing against the age, but they're ALL old at the moment there. 07:57 Ivy League affiliation in itself isn't exactly a default sign of intelligence 07:57 arahael ok 07:58 stoptalking about evil hack k2 07:58 like you made the game or something 07:58 i mean, if the dems decide to run kamala or any other minority/female candidate then the republicans will curbstomp them. fear drives votes 07:58 even ignoring that Kamala's just... kinda there 07:58 unless someone can convince michelle obama to run :-) 07:58 kamala is the worst. i'm a bernie bro 07:58 i hate that term 07:58 michelle obama with aoc downticket, i'm there 07:59 that problem's with Kamala specifically though, the rest is on the party being fairweather as fuck towards their voter base 07:59 she could never win 07:59 kamala 07:59 cough cough current events cough 07:59 we would truly be living in the best timeline if i lived to see aoc president or vp 08:00 eh. 08:00 aoc would be the hottest president so far 08:00 eh. 08:00 oh man 08:00 want me to link some photos? 08:00 also low bar on top of being a bit of a weird one 08:00 f you! what about rutherford b hayes! 08:01 oh i would hit that lol 08:01 i like her... not talking about her thoughts haha. jjjust from pjysical perspective 08:01 need to start carving presidents into stripmine faces (to avoid defacing actual hills and mountains) 08:02 and native-inhabited lands on top of that 08:02 but I digress 08:03 right, was looking for a pick-axe when I left off 08:03 so I have a straighter path to stuff in the main branch 08:03 i have a spare pickaxe, meet in Goblin Town 08:04 No need, crashing rock on cue 08:04 i want to play my game (sorry for the evilhack content) but i'm too drunk to sokoban 08:05 AND a new keyboard? 08:05 just getting used to it 08:05 I killed my old keyboard when I gave it a bath. :( Need to buy a new one soon. 08:05 Currently "borrowing" my wife's. 08:05 yeah i spilled a full beer in the last one 08:06 at least i'm not alone... i blamed it on my cat 08:06 rebatela: I gave it a bath before I spilled a sugary coffee over it a few weeks prior. 08:06 oh man 08:07 it's crazy how nasty they can get 08:07 i mean... you can clean it but it's a PITA 08:07 run the keycaps through the washing machine 08:07 having a brand new one is dope but i have to learn to type on it 08:07 blow the rest out with compressed air 08:07 rebatela: Yeah, but I had to get *inside* the keys as the coffee had gone right into it all. 08:07 oh i know 08:07 that's what i mean. it sucks 08:08 mist it with isopropyl alcohol and call it a day 08:08 i do the same thing with my cat when she gets dirty 08:08 haha 08:09 my friend just went to rehab and now i have a cat AND a dog (90lb golden retriever) 08:09 I was confused because that phrase wasn't on nethackwiki, but maybe K2 added it into this variant <--- that is correct 08:10 the cancellation bit 08:10 i had these two girls fighting over me... sounds great right? i got them to make the peace... I fixed the situation! and they ditched me and BOTH went to rehab and now I have a dog 08:10 he's awesome tho. i don't mind but holy crap. girl didn't even say "you need to feed him" nothing they just left so now i have to go steal dog food 08:11 should have left me a few bucks ya know? 08:11 K2 having to wade through pages of political stuff :b 08:11 lulz 08:12 i enjoyed the conversation. i know we are way off topic sorry 08:12 rebatela: You do know that tripe's easy to find in the dungeons? 08:12 haha 08:13 if i get arrested for stealing dog food i'm not gonna feel bad (i do NOT shoplift... just joking around( 08:13 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 08:13 but if i'm ever going to, it's today lol 08:13 this dog will eat anything 08:14 Fuck, deep shaft into wrong area of rogue quest, I hate this quest so much 08:14 I'm *stuck* in the mines. No pickaxe, and haven't killed the king. I could leave everything I have and swim out, though. 08:15 monk quest is the worst 08:15 I believe tortles are water resistant. 08:17 You can leave the monk quest 08:17 I am stuck here forever 08:17 just cursed gain level or eat chameleons to turn into a xorn 08:17 :^0 08:17 :^)* 08:18 I assume eating cham corpses doesn't follow the spawn rules 08:18 arahael, your game that crashed, had you put any zombie corpses into a locked container? 08:18 I am stuck here until something drops cursed gain level of a cursed teleport scroll 08:18 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Trt Fem Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:2107 08:19 i'm watching your ttyrec, you had just fought some zombies 08:19 and this is your backtrace - https://termbin.com/nj7i 08:19 pretty sure its a timer issue with zombie revival 08:19 surprised you didn't have any going in 08:19 VaderFLAG I spent like 10.000 turns there in my last evilhack rogue game 08:19 i thought all those zombie container problems were in the past -- i know i put zombies in boxes ALL the time (don't kink shame) 08:20 I don't have poly control, I'm gonna be in here for 100k turns 08:20 some recent updates may have broken zombie corpse timers under certain conditions 08:20 Or less, since I don't have that much food 08:20 I literally just boxed zombies in my previous game and current one with no trouble 08:20 maybe 08:20 probably missed those conditions 08:20 K2: Nope. 08:20 any of them buried? 08:20 K2: Nope. 08:20 hmm 08:20 lit lamp or candle? 08:21 that has happened to be before VaderFlag, it is a grind :-) 08:21 That's possible, I don't remember though but I might well have lit something. 08:21 you have a poly ring tho! 08:21 i didnt see any monster corpses in your inventory 08:21 That's a protection from 08:21 What about eggs? 08:21 oh 08:21 I've absent-mindedly carried eggs in a few games today. 08:22 K2: There was a troll on the level, though... 08:22 too bad you can't build a ladder of corpses and then dig through the ceiling huh 08:22 ah 08:22 that helps 08:22 you didnt have anything lit 08:22 Actually 90% sure there was a troll. Remember I'm foggy today - flu. :( 08:26 fuzzer time? 08:27 Well, it was otherwise a bog standard level. 08:29 Oh, I think I remember - there was also a small David's Zoo, which I had decimented. That was where the troll was. 08:29 And I think there were bunch of zombies, but yeah, none I had burried or anything. 08:31 My game crashed 08:31 Yours too? 08:31 No recovery, just asking me to pick new role 08:32 interesting, extract_nobj: object lost 08:32 Exact same behaviour, then. 08:33 Oh no it would be terrible if my game had to be recovered before I fell down that shaft 08:33 Well, except for the extract_nobj bit. I don't think mine had that. 08:33 What a horrible possibility 08:34 I was n500s'ing so I didn't see any messages 08:39 hax 08:41 Yeah I force-crashed my game by spawning a bajillion leprechauns 08:41 aha! 08:41 error extract_nolep: pot of gold lost 08:42 lol 08:42 ok one sec 08:43 no coredump huh 08:44 smoky invis, bother 08:44 oh that sux 08:44 ok VaderFLAG 08:44 try now 08:44 Oh sorry, you wanted Orcus? Here's a wish instead 08:44 Drat, stil on bottom level 08:45 think how much fun it will be to genocide leprechuans and then xorn through the level 08:45 I'm never getting out of here 08:46 VaderFLAG you were attacking a mumak when it happened? 08:46 I would never genocide leprechauns, I have now acquired a taste for them 08:46 no the mumak didn't exist yet 08:46 Or maybe it did but I hadn't seen it 08:46 I was just passing the turns searching 08:47 you must have terminal teleportitis by now 08:47 for sure 08:48 weird 08:51 WEll master assassin is awake now 08:51 Why isn't sleep wand working on him I wonder 08:53 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Rog Gno Fem Cha) killed the Master Assassin, on T:42556 08:53 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Rog Gno Fem Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:42557 08:53 he has a saving throw, just not a great one 08:53 Hey Key, how do I get out of here 08:53 I guess I just missed a bunch of them in a row 08:53 heh 08:55 Ok I have a poly wand 08:56 IS this iron ring I have a poly control? let's find out 08:56 It is not. 08:56 I am a tiger 08:58 15k turns so far. To be continued 08:59 aww, so much for my entertainment program of the day 09:06 K2: Does BUC matter WRT forging? 09:06 Outside of possible negative enchantment if I use something cursed for a second object 09:06 i think BUC of secondary is maintained? 09:06 ^ that 09:06 while it is max(primary,secondary) enchantment, right? 09:07 can still use this long sword then, just need another long sword to make a super long sword with 09:07 can i venmo someone to do sokban for me? 09:07 is that allowed? 09:07 lol 09:07 i love doing sokoban 09:07 new keyboard i'm gonna screw this up if i try 09:07 i usually don't mind 09:08 i have dragonbane tho so i kinda want to play 09:08 skip sokoban then 09:08 yeah need mr 09:08 tho 09:08 train on vanilla first? 09:09 hehe 09:09 awesome idea 09:09 :-) 09:09 We still have the solver in #hardfought's /topic don't we 09:09 i'm training talking nonsense on IRC 09:09 if fyou haven't noticed? 09:09 ahem 09:09 that's too easy 09:09 not going to put that in the goal ;-) 09:09 this thing is tiny no numpad (i don't play that way anyway) 09:10 so it's the same imo 09:10 i use vi keys 09:11 l3 uses numpad 09:11 defends it 09:11 do you mobileuser? 09:11 i played rogue before hack so it was easy 09:11 * rebatela is old 09:12 I use number keys without a numpad :b 09:12 can't get used to vi-keys 09:13 vi-keys> as God intended 09:29 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/922c61fd3277...cef2adfc7f08 09:29 [EvilHack] k21971 cef2adf - Fix: follow up to commit b616c1c. 09:30 !who 09:30 K2: [hdf-us] tinklebear [evil] krm26 [evil] :: [hdf-eu] No current players :: [hdf-au] Umbire [evil] 09:31 if currently playing, not a bad idea to save/reload 09:31 not critical though 09:31 already done it 09:32 brb 09:46 That wouldn't have solved my crash, wouldn't it? Doesn't look like it. 09:46 -!- qt has joined #evilhack 09:46 arahael I doubt it 09:47 i was just looking over recent commits to see what may have started causing this and noticed that 09:48 Ah. 09:48 hiya qt 09:48 good morning 09:48 sigh, made it 13k turns before accidentally eating my first gnome 09:49 I bet it was delicious 09:49 i'm told i will regret it but it was 09:49 what is the stupid cannibalism penalty again? you can no longer appreciate other meats? 09:49 lol 09:51 this game is such a crock, in real life i never get punished when i eat assholes 09:55 arahael: theres a cat in the shelter called aranel. so close to your nick 09:55 oh hey arahael is here 09:55 hi arahael 09:55 he is 09:56 i guess this isn't the first time, looking at logs, but I didn't really notice his long absence had ended 09:57 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Rog Gno Fem Cha), 23078 points, T:14456, killed by a panther, while praying 09:58 oh duh i just said i ate a gnome, what a dunce 10:03 qt got one for ya if you have a minute 10:03 2nd time i've seen this now - https://termbin.com/nj7i 10:03 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Rog Gno Fem Cha), 191 points, T:627, killed by a gas spore's explosion 10:03 think it may be related to corpse rot/revival 10:04 that is just like the unnethack crash the other day 10:04 oh it is isnt it 10:05 yeah same panic at least 10:05 unnethack doesnt have the recent bits I added from 3.7 10:06 you think that is the problem? those changes? 10:06 i'm not sure 10:06 but, I wasnt having these issues before 10:06 so it *might* be related? 10:07 the backtrace I linked was from arahael's game froma couple hours ago. the only objects that would have a timer that we could think of were zombie and troll corpses 10:08 that level was chock full of mobs tho, couldn't one of them have lit a candle or something silly also? 10:08 or just rotting corpses generally, like you said 10:08 yeah 10:08 krm26, perhaps 10:09 wasn't vader's crash caused by an item in something's inventory? i.e. wouldn't have been from a corpse rotting on the ground? or was my superficial glance overly superficial? 10:10 his is something different, which I've also seen happen recently 2-3 times 10:10 it didnt create a coredump though 10:11 1651957317 VaderFLAG: panic extract_nobj: object lost 10:11 krm26, your weird ice/pit behavior actually caused an impossible 10:11 1651662246 krm26: impossible Attempted to start duplicate melt_ice_away timer, aborted. 10:12 i wonder if that's fixed in 3.7 already 10:12 what's the weird ice pit behavior? 10:12 freeze water, dig pit, refill, refreeze 10:12 yeah that is fixed in 3.7 10:13 the behavior, even if not causing errors, still needs a unique color message to paper over the weird occurence 10:13 doesnt the panic method always create a core? 10:13 17165e3, 592e00b, 7a3da50 10:13 are the relevant vanilla commits 10:13 thanks 10:14 there have been other ice changes since then too but those are the ones that resulted from this bug specifically 10:14 or do you have like a core size limit set on hardfought or something 10:15 no 10:15 not all crashes produce a coredump 10:16 why not? 10:18 i dont know 10:22 oh god this code. to panic only dumps core if panicking is non-zero, and panicking is a boolean (!?), which is incremented with ++ each time panic is called, so...? 10:22 good thing there are no comments 10:23 trying to avoid panic calling panic and filling up your system with cores i guess 10:25 ahh, I was confused about why panics always give a coredump for me when testing, but it also always dumps core if you're in wizmode 10:28 ok, there is a boolean panicking declared in panic.c and in int panicking declared in decl.h and neither is properly initialized and there is also a panicking in program_state? come ON dude 10:29 mass panic 10:29 i don't think panic.c is used by the main game 10:29 initial decl.h panicking, remove panic.c panicking, abort when !panicking (i.e. on first call to panic) 10:30 krm26: i don't think the idea is to coredump only the first time panic happens, I think it's like "if this is the first call to panic, try to exit gracefully, but if panic gets called again after that just dump core and abort hard because something's really wrong" 10:31 you don't always want a core on the first panic? man, i would, panic BAAADD 10:36 yeah it would be nice to provide a traceback even if it can exit gracefully. I guess it wants to try to make the game recoverable if possible rather than aborting immediately 10:38 i guess you could fork() and abort() the child and keep going merrily along 10:39 you could use coredumper to dump core and keep on truckin too 10:39 or whatever open source project has replaced/succeeded it in the last 8/10 years 10:42 Ok back to burn away the turns 10:43 i wonder what the fuzzer does that sometimes causes all the messages to switch into the wall-drawing register 10:44 https://0x0.st/ommh.png like this 10:45 That looks more like a corrupted terminal, to me. 10:45 hmm, ok, panic.c's panic might not be used at all, probably end.c's panic? sheesh 10:45 panic.c is bad. bad bad 10:45 krm26: I while back I tried to replace a routine or two in evilhack in "Good" Rust. It turned into a minefield, due to the peculiar conventions in vanilla nethack. 10:46 btw i hate that ++ is a legitimate boolean operator 10:47 is it really, even when there's a real boolean? nethack booleans are just ints 10:47 it is really 10:47 In C, all bools are ints. 10:47 because of the ints are booleans legacy code 10:48 Possibly something C inherited from B, I think. 10:48 -- isn't legitimate, but ++ is 10:48 ok, so despite having written probably half a million lines of c in my time, i am old and weak, help me out: 10:48 if (myvar++) { this should never happen } 10:48 that always happens 10:48 wtf 10:48 What's the value of myvar *before* the ++? 10:48 0 10:49 Oooooh, but where's the sequence point defined in that? 10:49 it evaluates it before adding 1 to it, so it's only true if panic is called called while already in the panic state 10:49 goddamn prefix postfix, thx, i knew my brain wasn't working 10:50 I thought yous aid it always happens? 10:50 no, that was my dumb braindead question 10:50 Ah, no worries. This C, afterall. 10:50 nethack definitely does not drop enough cores as designed 10:51 i wonder what the invisible panic rate is 10:51 you can see in the paniclog I guess 10:52 should have a panic week on hardfought where evilhack's panic just always aborts 10:52 20k turns in to my imprisonment. nearly 20 potions of object detection. Up one xp level. One unidentified ring. Sick of eating leprechaun. 10:52 are you back? i missed the VaderFLAG channel, i will tune you back in 10:53 I am, it is so lonely down here 10:53 i'll lay my money on T:74,500 10:53 At least I have the bell so I never have to return if I ever get out 10:53 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±7] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/cef2adfc7f08...fe63637672c3 10:53 [EvilHack] k21971 fe63637 - Fix: melting ice timeout issues. 10:54 MYSTERY POTION 10:54 let's drink it 10:54 gain level, not cursed 10:54 noooo 10:54 crashed again 10:55 can easily make a one line change to panic, make every reload, and let vaderflag crash again for a dump 10:57 early reflection, nice 10:57 hmm 10:57 [hdf-au] [evil] Umbire (Bar Gia Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:12852 10:58 same thing VaderFLAG 10:58 1651957317 VaderFLAG: panic extract_nobj: object lost 10:58 whatever is causing that, its not generating a coredump 10:58 Leprechaun critical mass has been reached 10:59 Spontaneous leprechaun fusion is occurring 10:59 it creates an emergency save though 10:59 right, but since he can repeat it we can sleaze a coredump out of it with a quick 1 line addition to end.c 10:59 and then revert 11:00 game is recovered 11:00 nethack is seeing cursed scrolls of teleport dropping then deleting them and crashing me so I can't ever escape 11:00 it is a no teleport level is it not 11:00 I thought you could levelport out just not intralevel port 11:01 not so? 11:02 i'm just a dilettante, no idea 11:02 crashed again 11:02 ok 11:02 i made a backup of your save 11:02 change end.c 716 to if (1) briefly and let's get that core! 11:02 i have it loaded on my wizmode box 11:03 krm26 what exactly? 11:03 VaderFLAG you know you can try confused levelport right? 11:03 that change makes every panic dump core 11:03 K2: if you change the line `if (program_state.panicking++)` to `if (1)` it should dump core when it crashes 11:03 ok 11:04 uno momento 11:04 (not a good permanent change) 11:04 it will give up on trying to make the game recoverable and just abort immediately/dump core 11:04 gotcha 11:05 do you have hardfought-specific stuff in the code? you could check an environment variable that you set on hardfought for that, and then turn it on and off at will without having to recompile 11:05 oh I forgot about confused port, my detect food memorization should be pretty rusty by now 11:05 don't have any tport scrolls though 11:06 but at least that makes it much more likely 11:06 one of these leps will drop one eventually 11:06 assuming my game isn't terminal from the crashes of course 11:07 VaderFLAG, game is recovered again 11:07 yay thanks 11:12 yeah, at some point a tp scroll will drop. good luck! 11:13 Timer is on now - finally got displeased from prayer 11:13 Goblin King chest had a touchstone 11:13 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 11:13 Is it always a touchstone? I've been testing that as if it was a loadstone... 11:14 it is random 11:14 i think, just random * 11:14 Literally just random gems and stones, yes 11:14 Along with a bit of gold and a ring 11:14 i wish you didnt have teleportisis 11:14 100gp, ring, 3* 11:15 i cant ride the . button 11:15 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Rog Gno Fem Cha) polymorphed her first object, on T:56562 11:15 wait yes i can 11:15 nm 11:16 K2: My wife sometimes taps my hand when I'm playing nethack. It's disasterious about half the time. 11:16 why doesnt she just tap your shoulder? 11:17 Because in those cases it's because we're sitting side-by-side in bed - the warmest room in the house. 11:18 [hdf-au] [evil] Umbire (Bar Gia Mal Cha) had Angelslayer bestowed upon him by Set, on T:13247 11:18 :D 11:26 VaderFLAG were you using conflict when the crashes happened? 11:28 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Rog Gno Fem Cha) destroyed krm26's ghost, the former Pilferer, on T:3259 11:29 got a crash 11:30 yay! what's the trace? 11:30 https://termbin.com/zypl 11:31 What happens if trolls and zombies fight? 11:31 what does mean? both parameters of extract_nobj were optimized out? 11:31 how is that possible, does it not mean what it sounds like? 11:31 i'm not sure 11:32 on my wizmode box, I compile with -O2 11:32 I assume it probably means elided, or not used, or maybe the optimisation moved them to the caller. 11:32 so maybe its related 11:32 K2: If you don't actually need the performance, would you be better off not optimising at all? 11:32 I saw a long worm in the middle of the level 11:32 and then it diappeared 11:32 damn long worms 11:32 *disappeared 11:32 and a few turns later, crash 11:32 and it was diapered? 11:32 I was not using conflict 11:33 what slex tomfoolery is this 11:33 I had a few worms, can't remember if it was on /that/ level. 11:33 you can turn off compiler optimisation to see those values 11:33 or temporarily make them volatile 11:34 this seems like it could be a case where obj->where is set to an insane or outdated value 11:35 like, an object is on the floor but obj->where is OBJ_BURIED for some reason. then extract_nobj would be called to remove the object from level.buriedobjlist even though it's no longer there 11:36 hrm 11:36 i can recompile with -O0 and run again 11:36 if you think that'll help 11:36 i'd be interested to see what that object is 11:37 ok one moment 11:37 rot_organic is called by rot_corpse whether or not the corpse is buried? 11:37 and rot organic always tries to bury the inventory it finds 11:37 or is rot_corpse only called on buried corpses? 11:39 chameleon turning into a long worm? 11:40 krm26: i guess it's called because a corpse never has_contents, so it uses rot_organic solely for the extract_self/free part? 11:41 i think you are right qt, although do not like 11:41 yeah it's sort of weird 11:41 yeah there's a long worm here from the get go 11:41 middle room 11:41 it's not like obj_extract_self/obj_free is that complicated 11:42 ok got the crash agin 11:42 i was watching the long worm's body segments disappear 11:42 weird 11:42 can you see what the object is? 11:43 https://termbin.com/prsa 11:45 but can you see what the object is? 11:45 i mean like catch it with gdb and print out the info about the object 11:45 Desperation mode: Cannibalism spree as werewolf summons help repeatedly 11:45 is that possible? 11:45 walk me through that, i never do this enough to remember 11:45 i have gdb open on that coredump now 11:46 just do something like '(gdb) p *((struct obj *) 0x5562ec0435e0)' i think 11:46 the (gdb) part is the prompt 11:46 (gdb) p *((struct obj *) 0x5562ec0435e0) 11:46 $2 = {nobj = 0x0, v = {v_nexthere = 0x5562ec036fe0, v_ocontainer = 0x5562ec036fe0, v_ocarry = 0x5562ec036fe0}, 11:46 cobj = 0x0, o_id = 6669, ox = 46 '.', oy = 12 '\f', otyp = 266, owt = 600, quan = 1, spe = 0 '\000', 11:46 oclass = 7 '\a', invlet = 0 '\000', oartifact = 0 '\000', oprops = 0, oprops_known = 0, where = 4 '\004', 11:46 timed = 0 '\000', cursed = 0, blessed = 0, unpaid = 0, no_charge = 0, known = 1, dknown = 0, bknown = 0, rknown = 0, 11:46 oeroded = 0, oeroded2 = 0, oerodeproof = 0, olocked = 0, obroken = 0, otrapped = 0, recharged = 0, lamplit = 0, 11:46 globby = 0, greased = 0, nomerge = 0, was_thrown = 0, material = 4, in_use = 0, bypass = 1, cknown = 0, lknown = 0, 11:46 corpsenm = 92, usecount = 0, oeaten = 0, age = 52987, owornmask = 0, oextra = 0x5562ec07d540} 11:46 oops 11:47 sorry for that 11:47 VaderFLAG: You mean as a werewolf, sumon werewolf, kill, eat, repeat? Yeah, you can do it. But you're incurring the canabalism penalty AND the eating-pet penalty. 11:47 brb 11:48 Yes, but I have no food 11:48 no choice 11:48 o_id = 666(...9) <- there's the problem, it's possessed by the devil 11:48 Though it's an enemy werewolf making the wolves for me 11:48 so no pet penalty, not that it matters 11:49 Yeah, it's neglible compared to canabalism. 11:49 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Rog Gno Fem Cha), 220768 points, T:66272, quit 11:50 Even blew my poly wand polymorphing all my scrolls, and still no teleport 11:50 Very noble decision to quit. 11:50 If I could have left some bones, I woulda 11:50 awwww 11:51 k2 when you get back will you do 'p *((struct monst *) 0x5562ec036fe0)' 11:51 apparently this is a wood nymph corpse being carried by some monster 11:51 so let's find out what's up with the monster that's carrying it 11:55 qt - https://termbin.com/szhj 11:56 VaderFLAG :( 11:56 ok, so something's definitely screwy here 11:56 since that is a jaguar which apparently has no inventory 11:57 wtf is a jaguar carrying a wood nymph corpse 11:57 so the object says "i'm being carried by this jaguar", it goes to remove the object from the jaguar's inventory, and it has no inventory at all 11:57 it isnt a chameleon that was something prior is it? 11:57 well, I guess it could have been removed from the jaguar's inventory at some point in the process, leaving it with nothing... but that wouldn't explain the panic 11:57 K2: no, doesn't seem to be 11:58 It's not a riding bug either, is it? Just one thing I noticed after my long absense is that mosters seem to be MUCH more frequently riding beasts. 11:58 But that's probably just the RNG messing with me. 11:59 no, I don't think so arahael. the jaguar doesn't seem to be ridden by anything 11:59 https://termbin.com/szhj 11:59 oops 11:59 qt: What would happen if the rider was killed, and the jaguar then picks it up? 12:00 jaguars dont pickup nymph corpses 12:00 picks up the corpse? i don't think it can pick up a corpse. but even if it did, it shouldn't be a problem -- the issue is the discrepancy between the jaguar reporting "I'm not carrying anything" and the corpse reporting "I'm being carried by that jaguar" 12:00 Easy, then. 12:00 cham = -1 <-- what does this mean 12:00 if they both reported the same thing it wouldn't be an issue 12:01 K2: it means it's not a chameleon imitating something 12:01 ok 12:08 so odd 12:14 what about poly traps? 12:16 Hmmm 12:18 qt do you want a copy of the save? 12:19 wow, just saw a gray u die of illness 12:20 ah, sleeping gas trap'll do it 12:21 EPI: horns harvested from deceased unicorns should be cursed. 12:21 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Pri Ith Fem Cha), 355 points, T:1987, zombified by a kobold zombie, while helpless 12:22 if you want an uncursed horn, you'd best kill it cleanly. 12:28 the reverse 12:28 killing a unicorn curses the horn. bad killer! 12:31 K2: sure, it can't hurt. you could just put it in my home directory on your wizmode box if that's easier, that's the only place I'd be able to use it anyway. or uploading it somewhere is fine too ofc 12:33 good ideqa 12:33 idea 12:34 done 12:34 brb 12:36 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Rog Gno Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:5851 12:41 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Rog Gno Fem Cha) destroyed gpsalmoncannon's ghost, the former Sightseer, on T:6469 12:59 when does the crash happen? 13:00 it could happen within a few turns or several thousand 13:00 just have to wait it out 13:00 nothing in particular triggers it, you just wait for a long time? 13:00 yes 13:01 or if you're lucky, a short time 13:01 i got lucky on second go 13:05 okay, I just got it. this time it's a water nymph corpse being 'carried' by a winter wolf cub. and once again, winter wolf cub's inventory is 0x0 13:14 i know nymphs can ride other monsters 13:14 i wonder if that is related somehow 13:14 winter wolf cub isnt a monster that can be ridden though 13:27 [hdf-us] [evil] Bishop (Mon Trt Mal Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:2350 13:42 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Wiz Elf Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:9331 13:50 k2: an alloy (material) that can only be created by forging two other specific materials together? like tumbaga from copper and gold (changing arch spear to be inately tumbaga :-) 14:02 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 14:20 oh f*ck, did not realize burying a zombie in sokoban would let them revive and create a new pit 14:21 that'll cost me a scroll 14:24 those bastards 14:31 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Rog Gno Fem Cha) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:12714 14:35 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Rog Gno Fem Cha), 12494 points, T:13251, killed by an air elemental 14:39 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 183843 points, T:31093, killed by an acid sphere's explosion, while paralyzed by a monster 14:48 !lastgame dgoddard 14:48 NetSysFire: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/d/dgoddard/evilhack/dumplog/1650943081.evil.html 15:01 K2: ok... i have figured out the problem in VaderFLAG's game 15:01 whoo 15:01 it was a doozy 15:01 \o/ 15:02 https://termbin.com/jtziu 15:02 i think it involves the monster picking up its own corpse lol 15:03 oh wow 15:03 whoa 15:03 https://www.hardfought.org/phpBB3/gallery/image/2553/source 15:04 I have a feeling this is self-inflicted 15:04 so, bottom line, I think the problem is that in mintrap(trap.c), the MAGIC_BEAM_TRAP case, it needs a `if (DEADMONSTER(mtmp)) trapkilled = TRUE;` 15:04 pretty complicated problem, pretty simple solution lol 15:05 isnt it always hah 15:05 also for some reason the MAGIC_BEAM_TRAP location uses u.ux and u.uy -- that probably is wrong 15:06 it should be mtmp->mx/my or something like that I'm guessing, but I didn't look into it that much since it's not relevant to this issue 15:06 it looks like SPEAR_TRAP is also missing a way to set trapkilled 15:06 you should check all the traps you added 15:06 lest more monsters pick up their own corpses 15:07 * K2 nods 15:07 which means this prob happens in sporkhack too 15:07 that is where these traps originate from 15:10 rr is really cool 15:10 i never would have been able to figure this out without using it 15:10 yeah its definitely helped 15:12 SPEAR_TRAP has a trapkilled = TRUE; statement 15:12 magic beam does not (but soon will) 15:12 oh yeah, you're right, I overlooked it 15:13 i addressed the u.ux, u.uy bit too 15:14 my connection to your wizard mode box dropped, will it just time out on the server end and kill any open processes eventually? 15:14 or do I need to do something to remedy that 15:15 it will timeout eventually 15:15 ok 15:15 happens to me as well from work sometimes, route between work and home can be shitty sometimes 15:15 and i'll prob reboot that box at some point tonight, needs a kernel update 15:17 SPEAR_TRAP is missing 'newsym(mtmp->mx, mtmp->my);' after deltrp() 15:17 deltrap 15:17 i should probably review both those traps throughout 15:21 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Con Ith Fem Cha), 526 points, T:1880, killed by a goblin 15:21 whats a magic beam trap? 15:21 shoots a magic beam at you 15:21 is it new? 15:21 that beam can be one of several different types 15:21 it's an evilhack thing, not that new 15:22 but not in vanilla 15:22 i mean in evilhack, i never saw this 15:22 magic missile/acid/fire/poison/etc 15:22 how about disintegration 15:22 you dont start to encounter them until you're fairly deep into the dungeon 15:22 also qt you left the cdda channel just before i could answer. the blue ! is autowalking route 15:22 what does fairly deep mean? 15:22 no disint, that's too much evil 15:22 NetSysFire: that would stay on one location even when you walk away? 15:23 no, auto walk means the game can let you walk somewhere automagically 15:23 the default keybind for this is shift+w 15:23 the route you would go is the blinking blue ! 15:23 if you press shift+w again you confirm and start walking 15:23 i tried it later because I thought "oh, yeah, that's probably it" and one end of the route seemed to follow my character, instead of staying as it was when I requested it 15:24 weird 15:24 but maybe I was doing it wrong, or it was some weird special case 15:24 I'm sure you're right it has something to do with that 15:24 it can always be team a 15:24 K2: you already got instakill traps called "polymorph". why stop there? 15:26 also the quest leader wants your artifact when you abuse your alignment while on your quest rite 15:28 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Con Ith Fem Cha), 149 points, T:1253, killed by a grid bug 15:30 yeah, it becomes likely to happen if you have ever abused your alignment up to the point where you complete the quest. not necessarily in the time you're literally doing the quest 15:31 bleh this was a mistake in my vanilla altarmask PR: 'highaltar = (levl[u.ux][u.uy].altarmask & AM_SANCTUM);' 15:32 MAGIC_BEAM case is missing for steed 15:32 but SPEAR_TRAP is present 15:32 should really have a '!= 0' in there just in case the AM_SANCTUM bit ever gets bigger, out of range of a boolean 15:32 will address that later 15:32 too late now I guess 15:32 heh 15:33 why can't i notice stuff like that from the beginning, instead of only in retrospect :/ 15:34 hindsight is 20/20 15:34 qt - https://termbin.com/0a33 15:35 makes sense to me, just glancing over it. you still have the makefile change in there though, fyi 15:36 yeah that's fine, it can stay. I dont need -O2 anymore 15:36 already fixed the one warning using -O2 caught 15:36 long time ago 15:36 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 15:36 that's awesome 15:36 without a need for O2 you can explore space 15:36 in style 15:37 can wear a hat instead of a sealed helmet 15:37 :) 15:37 lol 15:37 of course there's that pesky 'in a vacuum' bit 15:37 but whatevs 15:41 smoky potion wish as an ith con 15:42 hmm what to wish for 15:43 bone gauntlets of power 15:43 no stone 15:43 stone is heavier 15:43 but one more ac 15:43 tru 15:43 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Con Ith Fem Cha) made her first wish - "blessed greased fixed +3 stone gauntlets of power", on T:2929 15:43 got the +3 15:44 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Con Orc Mal Cha), 189 points, T:978, killed by a water moccasin 15:45 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Con Orc Mal Cha), 63 points, T:237, killed by a jackal 15:46 K2: i love it when that random bat drops a stone large box 15:48 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±3] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/fe63637672c3...565f5035b68d 15:49 [EvilHack] k21971 565f503 - Fix: extract_nobj: object lost (magic beam traps). 15:49 they are prone to do that 15:49 qt read the commit note :P 15:50 :) 15:50 github keeps minimizing the commit message on me, maybe because it's so long? 15:51 no it does that 15:51 go here instead - https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/565f5035b68d03e2689da4bb070c3a2aaee46df2 15:52 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Con Ith Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:6459 15:53 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Con Ith Fem Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:6581 15:53 qt I wonder if this is somehow releated - https://termbin.com/nj7i 15:53 *related 15:55 !who 15:55 K2: [hdf-us] dgoddard [evil] Gutso [evil] :: [hdf-eu] NetSysFire [evil] Storm [evil] AlbertB [evil] :: [hdf-au] No current players 15:57 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Con Ith Fem Cha), 5365 points, T:8510, killed by a dwarf lord 15:57 yeah that seems possible actually 15:57 this one was op 15:58 since it will look for it in all the monsters' inventory, but if it's a "dead monster picks up its own corpse" situation it won't be anywhere there 15:58 I hope so 15:58 maybe we should mention this to bhaak, since the same panic happened in unnethack 15:58 ^ bhaak 15:59 at least it will leave bones 15:59 NetSysFire :/ 15:59 so the magic 8 ball is a reusable source of wishes 15:59 though in the unnethack one that I saw, the o_id was 1, which makes it seem likely that the timer is insane rather than it being a real object that can't be found anywhere, idk 15:59 also i forgot i had that wand of tele it would have saved me 15:59 NetSysFire no 15:59 it is not 15:59 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 2280 points, T:3025, killed by a piranha 15:59 does it vanish after one wish? 16:00 it does 16:00 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Magic_8-Ball 16:00 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Con Orc Mal Cha), 1354 points, T:2706, quit 16:00 also getting a wish from the magic 8 ball should give a special livelog event 16:00 implement this for junethack plox 16:02 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Con Orc Mal Cha), 5 points, T:145, killed by a jackal 16:05 somebody has actually gotten the wish from the magic 8 ball? 16:05 in an actual game on the server? I dont think so 16:07 wish livelogs, it would be cool if it just included the source of the wish 16:07 8-ball or not 16:08 something like - NetSysFire (Con Ith Fem Cha) made her first wish - "blessed greased fixed +3 stone gauntlets of power" (source: wand of wishing), on T:2929 16:08 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had 16 shuriken entrusted to him by Huan Ti, on T:1736 16:09 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (disenchanters), on T:1757 16:12 lol that commit note :-) 16:13 epic 16:15 Woo I'm in the evilhack code 16:15 \o/ 16:15 Ok so a monster died via beam trap and tried to pick up its own corpse before it died? 16:15 something like that yeah 16:16 that's why it didnt always happen right away 16:24 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 3713 points, T:3181, killed by a tortle shaman 16:25 VaderFLAG: yeah, it died and then subsequently picked up its own corpse 16:26 great party trick 16:26 -!- terrapin has joined #evilhack 16:27 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Con Orc Mal Cha) had Luck Blade bestowed upon him by Tymora, on T:7808 16:32 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 16:32 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 16:33 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Con Orc Mal Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:8484 16:34 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Rog Gno Fem Cha), 1564 points, T:2177, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted water moccasin 16:42 !who 16:42 K2: [hdf-us] Gutso [evil] VaderFLAG [evil] :: [hdf-eu] Storm [evil] AlbertB [evil] :: [hdf-au] No current players 16:42 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Rog Gno Fem Cha), 603 points, T:1079, killed by the Goblin King 16:42 Oh the goblin king will follow you through the portal 16:42 tenacious 16:42 I don't know how you melee classes kill him 16:42 Three times in a row now he's run me out of the mines 16:42 Because he does such insane damage 16:46 use your rogue skillz 16:47 MY rogue skills seem to be falling into traps, because that water moccasin death was after I emptied 20 daggers into him and failed, then decided to go explore the mines.... deep shaft, level port to 10 16:47 That moccasin did me a favor since I'd be stuck there forever 16:48 you wouldnt 16:48 stairs up arent blocked anymore 16:48 Oh well the fuck you moccasin 16:49 if i were a rogue - I'd find a beartrap, and set it at a choke point, get the goblin king trapped in it, then daggerstorm from a safe distance 16:49 Well I don't usually have a problem emptying all my daggers into him 16:49 It's whether that kills him or not 16:49 Either I get good rolls and he dies or I don't and i'm out 16:49 this is the way 16:50 I even tried throwing mithirl bolts at him by hand on that last one heh 16:50 :) 16:50 take an apple, dip it in your potion of sickness, and leave it sitting in his doorway. he won't be able to resist. anyway that's what my mirror told me 16:51 I think King is not going to be first stop anymore for rogue, too risky 16:51 lol 16:51 wtf is the mandalorian season 3 gonna drop 16:53 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 16:54 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Con Orc Mal Cha) had a broadsword entrusted to him by Tymora, on T:14254 16:58 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Con Orc Mal Cha) destroyed musicdemon's ghost, the former Thaumaturge, on T:15138 17:00 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Con Orc Mal Cha), 6899 points, T:15293, killed by a bolt of fire 17:01 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Con Orc Mal Cha), 49 points, T:217, killed by a dart 17:05 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Con Orc Mal Cha) had Luck Blade bestowed upon him by Tymora, on T:1616 17:05 [hdf-eu] [evil] AlbertB (Val Hum Fem Law) killed Aphrodite, on T:14171 17:06 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Con Orc Mal Cha) had an orcish dagger entrusted to him by Tymora, on T:2135 17:08 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Rog Gno Fem Cha), 1876 points, T:2702, killed by a wand 17:15 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Kni Elf Fem Cha) destroyed Kas, on T:109129 17:21 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Con Orc Mal Cha) had a leather studded armor entrusted to him by Tymora, on T:12450 17:27 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Con Orc Mal Cha) had a pair of jumping boots entrusted to him by Tymora, on T:14020 17:39 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 17:39 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Con Orc Mal Cha) became literate by reading the fortune inside a cookie, on T:15684 17:41 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 17:44 [hdf-au] [evil] Umbire (Bar Gia Mal Cha) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:15850 17:50 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Con Orc Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:17625 18:01 [hdf-eu] [evil] Storm (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed the Dark One, on T:56185 18:02 [hdf-eu] [evil] Storm (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:56189 18:08 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Rog Gno Fem Cha), 928 points, T:1780, killed by the Goblin King 18:08 20hp in a single round, man 18:18 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 18:25 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Rog Gno Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:2061 18:26 [hdf-au] [evil] Umbire (Bar Gia Mal Cha), 21168 points, T:16350, killed by an orcish priest of Set 18:26 Oh right, was somehow still close enough for that scroll of light 18:27 whatever, was losing steam anyway 18:28 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) killed the Oracle, on T:39593 18:29 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Rog Gno Fem Cha), 2088 points, T:2637, killed by a piranha 18:32 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Wiz Gno Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:8392 18:37 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Wiz Gno Fem Cha), 20299 points, T:8609, killed by a troll 18:46 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Rog Gno Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1903 18:50 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Kni Elf Fem Cha) killed Baphomet, on T:110740 18:51 VaderFLAG: i just get up to xp 6 or thereabouts, make sure i have at least 46 hp or something, then walk up and bash him as a tortle monk, perhaps cast healig once or twice. 18:52 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Rog Gno Fem Cha) murdered Peanut, her faithful housecat, on T:2264 18:54 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Kni Orc Fem Cha), 467 points, T:1159, killed by a small mimic 18:55 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) killed the Dark One, on T:41127 18:56 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:41130 19:04 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 19:12 and there we go, first game where I get committee'd to/below minetown 19:13 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Rog Gno Fem Cha) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:4007 19:13 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Rog Gno Fem Cha), 4099 points, T:4007, killed by an air elemental of Mog 19:17 [hdf-au] [evil] Umbire (Bar Gia Fem Cha) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:3343 19:21 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had a helm of brilliance entrusted to him by Huan Ti, on T:4843 19:21 Yay, can at least leave 19:26 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Rog Gno Fem Cha), 1074 points, T:1357, killed by a bolt of cold 19:29 what does being committeed below minetown mean? 19:32 level tele 19:32 figured I might be potentially be trapped because haven't touched goblin king yet 19:36 Umbire: so you can leave, you just can't enter? 19:37 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had a broadsword entrusted to him by Huan Ti, on T:6937 19:39 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:7188 19:40 the goblin king quest makes for a much better early game experience, imho. very much like. 19:41 -!- Umbire has quit [Quit: Umbire zaps a wand of digging!] 19:52 arahael thanks 19:53 and correct, you cant get trapped in the mines anymore if you havent killed the goblin king. you can come up, just not back down 19:53 (past mine town) 19:55 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) polymorphed his first object, on T:8388 19:56 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) made his first wish - "blessed rustproof +2 frost brand", on T:8458 20:00 -!- NetSysFire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:00 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Rog Gno Fem Cha), 2504 points, T:3565, poisoned by a jumping spider 20:00 -!- NetSysFire has joined #evilhack 20:01 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) murdered her faithful horse, on T:392 20:07 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:8954 20:08 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a winter wolf cub, on T:8981 20:08 -!- musicdemon has joined #evilhack 20:10 -!- musicdemon has quit [Client Quit] 20:12 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Kni Elf Fem Cha) destroyed Vecna, on T:112333 20:13 woo got the hand! 20:13 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) destroyed Arahael's ghost, the former Initiate, on T:9444 20:14 and a magic marker! 20:15 it's christmas in gehennom! 20:16 -!- musicdemon has joined #evilhack 20:20 [hdf-eu] [evil] Storm (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed Medusa, on T:58298 20:24 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Wiz Elf Fem Neu), 13596 points, T:14517, poisoned by a bone orcish arrow 20:25 !lastgame karibou 20:25 musicdemon: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/k/karibou/evilhack/dumplog/1652031379.evil.html 20:26 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Kni Elf Fem Cha) killed Geryon, on T:112806 20:41 MFW the 'bugs stop moving' wand is actually death and not sleep 20:47 musicdemon: thats frequently the case for me for some reason :) 20:49 musicdemon: there was a solid month last year where just about all of my games had me finding multiple death wands. so when it came ro the quest nemisis, i was like "just death it", and ditto for anything else. it was weird. 20:49 wow, strange 20:56 [hdf-us] [evil] lgxia (Val Hum Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed +2 dragonhide gauntlets of power", on T:34786 21:01 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had a cloak of protection entrusted to him by Huan Ti, on T:14414 21:06 I trapped some zeds in a dead end, but they got out. What am I missing? The setup: 21:06 [stone] 21:06 % 21:06 0 (boulder) 21:06 hallway 21:07 if there were multiple corpses the second one to respawn will spawn in the hallway 21:08 at least that's happened to me with closets before 21:08 yeah if they were corpses that were going to respawn that sounds pretty likely 21:08 That makes sense. Can't have more than one mon per tile. Yeah, I had about 5 stacked in a single tile 21:09 I had such plans...lol. I was going to lock 'em in a box, but my pick broke 21:09 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Mon Trt Fem Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3700 21:11 the irony is the by the time I spend trying to find creative ways of getting rid of a few zed corpses, the game just spawns another group. I think I'm on the third group spawned on this level, at this point 21:11 haha yeah I feel you 21:12 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 153 points, T:487, killed by a black pudding 21:15 [hdf-us] [evil] gpsalmoncannon (Arc Trt Mal Law), 911 points, T:1366, killed by an exploding crystal ball 21:15 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) completed her quest without incident, on T:43732 21:17 musicdemon: I thought I'd be clever and bury them in sokoban... but they pop out of the ground leaving fresh pits! 21:17 so, don't bury them. Chuck them in a forge instead. 21:17 I spectated your game for a bit and realized I'm so far from that area...lol 21:18 it was like another game 21:18 my game? 21:18 yeah 21:18 which area? Vecna? 21:19 it looked like medusa's level? 21:21 I visit there often! No ring of tele control :( 21:21 in fact I have to go back to my stash for those 19 magic mapping scrolls I forgot. I'll be damned if I'm going to explore every nook of gehennom 21:22 can keys break as well as lockpicks? I didn't see anything on the wiki about unlocking tool breakage, but maybe I missed it 21:23 [hdf-us] [evil] gpsalmoncannon (Arc Trt Mal Law), 114 points, T:1389, zapped himself with a wand 21:23 if it's cursed it can (I think) 21:23 yes if cursed 21:23 small chance it'll break on use 21:24 good to know 21:32 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 100 points, T:1023, killed by a jackal, while fainted from lack of food 21:33 musicdemon, in case you're curious as to how that actually works - https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/c2297dfb4198985d065f4b279d08d633ed913527 21:33 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, acquiring a silver amulet of reflection, on T:17251 21:33 thanks :) 21:33 TL;DR - 20% chance if cursed, artifact unlocking tools are not affected 21:34 [hdf-us] [evil] musicdemon (Bar Gia Mal Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping a +0 bone orcish helm on an altar, on T:6121 21:36 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 21:37 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 21:37 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) killed Croesus, on T:44591 21:38 [hdf-us] [evil] zor (Hea Dwa Fem Neu), 239 points, T:851, zombified by a gnome zombie, while helpless 21:40 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) tasted meat for the first time, by eating a magical eye corpse, on T:17904 21:40 wow, late vegan break 21:43 i dont think dgoddard knows that evilhack monks can gain esp if they level up high enough 21:43 I added the cursed locking tool info to the evilhack wiki page 21:44 K2, thank you! I basically live on that page, lol 21:44 is there even a point to eating magical eyes? I remember I got some kind of message from one but I can't remember what it did 21:44 it can adjust your luck in either direction randomly 21:44 oh cool 21:44 so no, not really. unless you're feeling frisky 21:45 I added the changes to cursed wand of invis and wand of striking/force bolt changes too 21:45 same section 21:46 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/EvilHack#Additional_item_changes 21:47 a sure way for magic-trapped invisible giants/tortles to get into shops? At last! 21:47 lol 21:50 I suppose you could levitate and fire a launcher to propel yourself into the shop, but yeah, the wand method will be better 21:58 night, all. Thanks for all your advice and help! My sketchy giant barb lives another day. 21:59 -!- musicdemon has quit [Quit: Client closed] 22:00 gnite musicdemon 22:07 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 120016 points, T:21078, killed by a fire ant, while paralyzed by a monster 22:11 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Mon Trt Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:6476 22:26 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed magic marker", on T:47180 22:29 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Mon Trt Fem Neu) consumed animal products for the first time, by eating a small glob of gray ooze, on T:7960 22:35 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 22:45 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Kni Elf Fem Cha) genocided alhoons, on T:115527 22:45 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Kni Elf Fem Cha) genocided arch-liches, on T:115528 22:45 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Kni Elf Fem Cha) genocided master liches, on T:115528 22:48 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 24 points, T:285, killed by a sewer rat 22:49 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Mon Trt Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:9614 22:56 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Kni Elf Fem Cha) killed Yeenoghu, on T:116231 23:01 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Mon Trt Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, acquiring an amulet of magic resistance, on T:10643 23:18 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:4859 23:20 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:21 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:5245 23:21 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Kni Elf Fem Cha) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:117410 23:21 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (large mimics), on T:5255 23:30 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 5758 points, T:6165, killed by a human priest of Thoth 23:38 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Mon Trt Fem Neu), 33050 points, T:12205, killed by a troll, while praying 23:53 "Don't forge two things you know you shouldn't" <-- Uhh, is that a warning?