00:02 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Pri Ith Fem Cha), 705 points, T:1068, zombified by a kobold zombie, while dragging an iron ball 00:03 is there any super important stuff to know about Vecna's domain? 00:07 loooooooool wand of death on dlvl 1 but i die to a rock 00:08 terrapin: plenty of L and alhoons 00:08 wraiths too 00:09 yay....  Thanks! 00:14 @e?alhoon 00:14 alhoon (h) | Lvl: 26 | Diff: 30 | Spd: 9 | Res: fire cold sleep shock poison drain | Confers: fire cold | MR: 90 | Generates: gehennom | AC: -6 | Attacks: 1d10 weapon physical, 5d6 touch cold, 2d1 tentacle drain int, 2d1 tentacle drain int, 0d0 cast spell | Alignment: -15 | Flags: genocidable, flies, breathless, regenerates, seeinvis, poisonous, covetous, infravisible 00:15 @e?lich 00:15 lich (L) | Lvl: 11 | Diff: 14 | Spd: 6 | Res: cold sleep poison drain | Confers: cold | MR: 30 | Generates: gehennom dungeons | AC: 0 | Attacks: 1d10 touch cold, 0d0 cast spell | Alignment: -9 | Flags: genocidable, breathless, regenerates, poisonous 00:15 wait why is an alhoon infravisible if its a lich 00:19 also when can we become liches? 00:20 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Kni Elf Fem Cha) destroyed coplate's ghost, the former Thaumaturge, on T:30393 00:23 probably because of illithid biological quirks 00:24 bouquet, screamingskull, terrapin - mind saving real quick? i need to update evilhack on hdf-us, will only take a second 00:25 bouquet screamingskull ^ 00:25 well that's as good a cue as any. g'night! 00:25 thanks terrapin gnite 00:25 -!- terrapin has quit [Quit: Client closed] 00:28 and done 00:28 thanks screamingskull bouquet 00:28 can resume 00:28 thumbs up emoji 00:29 (y) 00:31 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Kni Elf Fem Cha) murdered her faithful horse, on T:31825 00:34 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Kni Elf Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, acquiring a pair of gauntlets of protection, on T:31939 00:41 the only ring that hurts elves is the "iron" ring. Not "twisted" or other unspecific metal rings? 00:42 because I've already id'd metal rings as hunger so no loss there. Next potential wish is for p'hul but if it's some iron variant then I've wasted a wish. 00:43 %s/metal rings/iron rings 00:43 idk lol 00:43 also turns out Cleaver doesn't arc when you twoweapon with it 00:43 take that haters 00:45 fuck, invisiblized myself 00:46 sucks as a giant. 00:47 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Mon Trt Mal Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:2345 00:48 and tortle now, too 00:48 puzzles me why a wrap of fabric cannot be wrapped around either body 00:48 [hdf-au] [evil] Umbire (Bar Gia Mal Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a baby blue dragon, on T:12323 00:49 and the giant mummy isn;t even wearing a wrap! 00:49 he just battle in the buff 00:49 rotten wight 00:50 didn't kill my inventory though, ended up becoming a giant again after the idiot zapped me enough 00:50 (apparently hill giant shaman is its own form) 00:51 have to unfuck my stats now though 00:51 (they're not that fucked, just lost a bit of carry cap 00:51 wisdom's better even) 00:53 is a spider web with a spider in it considered one of the possbile 6 traps on a level of the Mine's? 00:53 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Mon Trt Mal Neu) had 14 shuriken entrusted to him by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:2929 00:54 depends on what was generated first 00:54 ~~the chicken or the egg~~ 00:55 I think the web is placed first with the spider added 00:55 yeah, in that case it is a trap 00:55 do, spiders that generate after the level's been generated spin a web with an item on it? 00:56 seems to be the giveaway? 00:56 if it has an item on it, it is a trap. 00:57 just was not sure if if it was considered a trap or a feature 00:57 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Mon Trt Mal Neu), 2582 points, T:3149, zombified by an orc zombie 01:00 what a way to find a poly trap with a pacifist! 01:01 dog walks into it and become an adult purple worm! 01:01 My favorite all-time is when Hecubus walked into a trap and capitalized himself. 01:02 went from a 'lil 'h' to a nice capital 'H' titan! 01:05 yah dumb orc ... now you're a measly mosquito, ya loser. 01:06 screamingskull: No, the webs have items placed on them during generation 01:06 giant spiders made on level gen have webs placed on their square, while other spiders (basically cave spiders in vanilla) get an item to hide under 01:07 in evil I think they also get webs 01:11 well, that was my point    and asking if it is considered one of  the 6 possible traps or if it is just considered a feature 01:11 a leashed domesticated animal whines so it would seem trap 01:12 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Mon Trt Mal Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:2469 01:13 Umbire: cleaver is a two-handed weapon, so how could you two-weapon with it? 01:13 just be a giant 01:14 ez 01:14 ah true 01:14 webs are always traps lol 01:14 K2: YANI: give mariliths a boost to two-weaponing, too 01:14 spiders also make webs as they travel the dungeon 01:14 one could call them web developers 01:20 sometimes i am asking myself how tall a dungeon level is. if you can fly and levitate around as a giant, its gotta be moria-level tall 01:23 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Mon Trt Mal Neu) rejected atheism by offering a lesser homunculus corpse on an altar of Huan Ti, on T:4037 01:26 and there's the autopilot death I wanted to avoid 01:27 [hdf-au] [evil] Umbire (Bar Gia Mal Cha), 20590 points, T:13425, petrified by a chickatrice 01:27 bit it after polytrapping into a warg 01:27 was hoping it hadn't crawled over that fast 01:34 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Mon Trt Mal Neu), 6551 points, T:5142, killed by a dwarf king 02:15 OOH 02:15 MBane in a shop 02:20 Umbire  No, there are 6 random traps generated on each level of the Gnomish Mines.  they are not always considered traps 02:25 unless, of course you were just being funny?        :-/ 02:43 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 03:04 [hdf-us] [evil] Storm (Hea Gno Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:24475 03:14 -!- lacca[m] has quit [Quit: Bridge terminating on SIGTERM] 03:19 -!- lacca[m] has joined #evilhack 03:47 More likely that I misparsed what you were specifically asking about 03:51 MBane stolen successfully, thanks dog 04:08 [hdf-eu] [evil] Storm (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:632 04:16 [hdf-au] [evil] Umbire (Bar Gia Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:6490 04:17 and broke his staff with MBane no less! 04:24 very satisfying 04:32 ohi mobile 04:32 TIL Cleaver does not arc if you twoweapon it 04:33 I've been doing fine in general with the weapon (skill issues elsewhere ofc) mostly to prove a point but I figured you'd also find that genuinely useful 04:42 I saw in the backscroll about Cleaver, nice for giants :-) 04:45 I still wish you could at least make it not swing by applying it or something. You'd still need to be careful, but at least you wouldn't be fucked if eg standing next to a shopkeeper and a giant mimic. 04:46 ^ K2 whine note 05:07 -!- musicdemon has joined #evilhack 05:14 [hdf-eu] [evil] Storm (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping a silver dagger on an altar, on T:4394 05:17 [hdf-eu] [evil] Storm (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:4506 05:18 can't you apply it like a standard axe 05:18 or does that still induce an arc swing 05:19 sick, gnoll had a spear of frost 05:31 -!- screamingskull has quit [Quit: Client closed] 05:40 Umbire, it will still induce the arc swing 05:40 Right 05:46 I stumbled upon a /oWishing in sokoban. I'm currently rocking a BoH, scrub gear (steel chain mail suit) with AC 0, and am a Centaur Ranger. Would a better suit be a good first wish, or is wishing for scrolls of charging better? There's an entry in the evilhack wiki page about changes to scrolls of charging that doesn't elaborate on what changed, 05:46 lol. 05:54 you won't be able to recharge the wand 05:55 can you identify it first? 05:55 also worth blessing it for better wrest chances 05:56 best wish completely depends on what you already have of course and the kind of "build" you're aiming for 05:57 I already zapped it and am in the screen to choose my wish 05:57 dragonhide cloak of MR? 05:57 dragonhide speed helm? 05:57 I have a +2 displacement cloak from my starting gear. The speed helm seems good, though 05:58 dragonbane if you feel lucky 05:58 (could come with owner) 06:01 "changes to scrolls of charging"? I don't see that on the wiki? 06:02 I initially misread the scrolls of charging verbage. It was in a long sentence about tools that monsters can now use and I interpreted it as being a change to the object. 06:03 which object property is most valuable on a helm of speed? 'of Decay', maybe? 06:04 oh no, my putty session timed out 06:04 and there's the other showe 06:04 shoe* 06:06 please tell me my wish isn't lost from my inactivity, lol. It looks like it's identified in my inventory 06:06 you can't wish for object props on items that are already magical 06:07 wish lost? :-( 06:07 I think so, unfortunately. Crapppp 06:08 he who hesitates is lost, I guess 06:10 also, isn't a dragonhide helm of speed not possible, since the base material is metal? 06:12 that changed when tortle was introcuced 06:13 *introduced 06:14 ^ 06:14 https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/81d4a86aae5551e741cb6f60567ad998218caa8e 06:14 Interesting. There isn't any notes about it on the reddit post about the tortle patch 06:14 it was a post-patch thing 06:15 see the commit, it's pretty recent 06:17 well, my /oWishing turned to dust, so I'll just make note of it for another run. Thanks for the advice, though! 06:22 If I have rings in my autopickup rules and autopickup is ON, but my character doesn't autopickup a ring in a pit, is that a bug? 06:22 I have no exceptions set 06:24 yeah, I've tried this three times and made sure the options are correct. I know this works in vanilla NH 06:30 -!- bouquet has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 06:31 K2, I'm in sokoban, where a ring has generated in a pit square. I have autopickup set to ON, rings are in my autopickup type list, but my character won't pick up the ring when I move to the square. I tried it three times. Can you take a look? 06:37 -!- bouquet has joined #evilhack 06:39 [hdf-eu] [evil] AlbertB (Val Hum Fem Law) destroyed Storm's ghost, the former Heretic, on T:14008 06:41 musicdemon that is as designed 06:42 no freebie autopicking up rings from pits in sokoban :-) 06:42 Oh, that's a change in this variant? 06:42 I think so 06:43 ok, thanks for the heads up. I wonder if I could like kick it out of the pit, or something. In this case, the ring just fell down with me on one of my attempts, but maybe a kick would work next time? 06:43 kick works, BUT 06:44 it will wake up monsters 06:44 also, if the ring is of a breakable material, it could be destroyed 06:45 but I often kick rings or wands myself, yes 06:52 magic trap invisibility is fucking stupid 06:52 and of course I lost the see invis it gave me first 06:55 musicdemon: you won't autopickup items from in a pit if you aren't either flying or in the pit. if you walk on the pit and don't fall in, you don't autopickup the item. 06:55 also pits =/= holes 06:55 always kick non-eggs in sokoban holes to get them to fall through, except on first level, just jump in 06:56 can't do anything about breakable/splattable stuff but dig them out after the level is solved 06:56 ah, I forgot that pits and holes were different. Thanks :) 06:56 i'm not sure if teleporting them dings you with bad sokoban luck or not 06:56 It doesn't 06:56 only stuff involving boulders 06:56 if you get magic trap invis (particularly bad as tortle/giant) remember that you can keep jumping back in to try to remove it, it is a toggle; or BETTER, now, cursed wand of invis 06:57 krm26: you realize that's why I'm pissed off, yeah? 06:57 magic trap see invis is temporary tho isn't it? 06:57 no, the trap took the fucking intrinsic 06:57 AHHH, awesome 06:57 edible rings on your run? 06:58 what fucking rings? 06:58 i'm waiting for most eaten intrinsics to get timeouts :-) 06:58 or there to be a new monster ability which just sucks a few % of all percentile intrinsics each hit 07:05 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Kni Dwa Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed fixed +2 dramborleg", on T:144 07:08 -!- Umbire has quit [Quit: Umbire zaps a wand of digging!] 07:37 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 07:41 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Kni Dwa Fem Law) destroyed arnibald's ghost, the former Heathen, on T:3163 07:44 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 08:03 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Kni Dwa Fem Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:4212 08:06 The horrific shambling horror streak is broken! 5d7 weapon rust and no meaningful resists 08:06 -!- bhaak has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:07 heh 08:08 i've been on a series of disenchanting horrors, do not like 08:08 i like the timid ones who run off and hide in a corner and you never see 08:09 hmm, blacksmith's cookbook in minetown, i smell a corpse 08:09 ORANGE DRAGON ALERT 08:09 wtf coplate, what have you done 08:10 hmm, try to run for the stairs back up or try to run for the coaligned temple 08:12 -!- musicdemon has quit [Quit: Client closed] 08:17 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Wiz Trt Fem Neu) killed Medusa, on T:35171 08:22 -!- ssnufd has joined #evilhack 08:29 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha), 79 points, T:283, killed by a fox 08:29 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha), 0 points, T:41, killed by a fox 08:31 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha), 181 points, T:384, killed by a steel shuriken 08:32 -!- bhaak has joined #evilhack 08:38 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha) had Luck Blade bestowed upon her by Tymora, on T:1246 08:38 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha), 415 points, T:1276, killed by a manes 08:41 [hdf-us] [evil] ssnufd (Bar Dwa Fem Neu) killed Mephistopheles, on T:45451 08:42 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha), 498 points, T:644, killed by a hobgoblin 08:44 -!- qt has joined #evilhack 08:49 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha), 935 points, T:1513, crunched in the head by an iron ball 08:56 crunched right in the head 08:56 ouch :-) 08:56 hi mobileuser 08:57 hey 08:57 Hello mobileuser, Welcome to #evilhack 08:58 Mephistopheles killed, nice! 08:59 i was tired last night and put off taking him on, i got trap doored to his level and saw that level+1d6 fire, and thought it was going to be a lot tougher fight. it still was all the demon lords are pretty boss now. as soon as i saw.. baphomet? he knocked me like 5 tiles off my scare monster hah 09:00 yeah, knockback can make things a struggle. as can the weapons of shock blowing up your rings 09:01 good point, had a shocked sphere blow up both my levitation and free action on autotravel this game also 09:01 shocking 09:02 other than just not doing the _ >, and manually walking everywhere you can't really minimize that kind of rng huh? 09:03 well, they are genocidable now 09:04 plus non-metallic gloves protect the rings you wear 09:05 I store the rest in my bag 09:05 \o/ 09:05 ahhhh gauntlets of power were on, yep i only had the two i was wearing out which i was proud of 09:06 yeah you really want bone, stone or glass GoP 09:06 also mobileuser i want to try infidel now i think being a demon sounds sick. how tedious is infidel 09:06 or wood 09:06 Does having a bunch of junk rings out protect the others, or does each ring have an independent chance of getting zapped? 09:06 infidels are rad as hell 09:06 i don't think junk rings help vaderflag 09:07 infidels are very interesting, and their early/midgame learning curve is not that bad 09:07 ssnufd the main tedious thing is not being able to use levelport 09:07 i've only played 10 games or so tho, never had one make it to crowning 09:07 fooproofing your rings/wands will help 09:07 does fooproofing have any effect on already-fooproofed materials, like gemstone? 09:07 ah of course k2, this would be the game where im finding no enchant w/ar and no id heh 09:08 i do like doing the extra inventory proofing when im rolling in scrolls 09:08 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/User:Mobileuser/Infidel <-- ssnufd 09:08 oh ty 09:09 I should update it a bit with the latest infidel changes... 09:09 oh this is very helpful 09:09 does fooproofing have any effect on already-fooproofed materials, like gemstone? <--- no, its already inherently fooproof 09:10 carrying the amulet means your luck will time out twice as fast oh no 09:10 it'll already resist 09:10 yeah that's what i thought. fooproof rings still get foo'd an awful lot 09:17 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Wiz Trt Fem Neu) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:37180 09:22 Huh, charm monster is only making this woolly mammoth peaceful, what am I missing here? 09:22 that's weird 09:22 they have no MR... 09:22 Yeah 09:23 And I cast it tons of times too with no further effect 09:23 It's asleep, would that matter? 09:23 I can't remember that making a difference 09:24 no mention of that on the wiki 09:25 It woke up and it worked immediately 09:25 lol 09:25 No charming sleeping critters, good to know 09:26 wakey wakey 09:27 still weird that that is not mentioned on the (vanilla) wiki 09:29 definitely should be. wonder if it's a more recent change 09:29 it wouldnt be 09:29 the wiki isn't all-knowing 09:29 evilhack is based off of 3.6 09:29 ahh 09:32 Oh here's a fun combo for a tortle - a centaur with bolts of lightning 09:33 lol right i was saying it should be so people can know that. i am glad you said something vader i didn't know about that 09:47 peaceful gnome king in gehenom man you are a long way from minetown my friend 09:47 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Kni Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, acquiring a gold amulet of reflection, on T:7855 09:48 IT IS ALWAYS GOLD 09:48 GOLD \o/ 09:48 lol 09:48 -!- elenmirie has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:48 omg krm26 09:48 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #evilhack 09:48 -!- elenmirie_ is now known as elenmirie 09:48 lol 09:52 what? what did i do now? do i still have some hobbit on my chin? 09:54 lol 09:57 do mounts regen health slower when ridden? 09:58 no? never heard of that 09:58 hmm, seemed like my mount wasn't recovering health until i got off 09:59 just my fevered imagination i guess 10:01 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Mon Trt Mal Neu), 891 points, T:1300, killed by the Goblin King 10:01 you shoula #monstered! 10:01 heh heh 10:01 yeah 10:02 i thought i was one hit away from killing him 10:03 ugh, i have to try to run a gauntlet of an orange dragon and a mumak if i want to visit an altar :-P 10:03 and for some reason the gnomes in my mines haven't invented the club yet 10:04 just the crossbow with advanced ammunition? 10:05 no power on earth could convince me to wield a crossbow on anything other than a gnomish ranger 10:05 right. i was saying that they use against you 10:05 *taps mic* 10:06 yeah, i got you, my laughter was just untyped :-) 10:06 man i reaaaaally want to go to that altar to see if i can jigger my cursed bag of holding into usability...it is a trap tho, i will die 10:09 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Wiz Trt Fem Neu) defeated Kathryn the Ice Queen, on T:39397 10:09 First game where Hesp is my first holding bag 10:11 in wizmode how do I wish for "iron ring"? 10:11 didn't know you could do that! 10:13 I was able to wish for other materials, but "iron" freaked out and said "Note: material iron is not normally valid for this object." 10:14 because materials patch I assume 10:14 just want to make sure my elf can wear other iron-based rings without issue. 10:14 i had one like that vaderflag feels extremely good lol 10:15 yeah, iron is legitimate for objects with materials but ring materials are different, ring materials are really appearances 10:16 is there a setting to be able to always see if a trap is under an item/pile? i tend to forget and then step on the same trap a few times 10:16 no, the iron ring will burn you unless you are wearing gloves 10:16 #terrain 10:16 yeah terrain is nice but i mean always 10:16 don't think so 10:16 you could just untrap everything 10:17 or not leave piles on traps :-) 10:17 i think you can kill almost every trap? spear traps are most challenging 10:17 krm26: it seems to burn even if I'm wearing gloves. 10:17 should be a trap extinctionist conduct 10:18 really bouquet? my bad 10:18 i was pretty sure gloves protected you from ring materials but shows what i know 10:18 I believe there's a running debate about rings having to touch skin but on the same hand unable to remove gloves if they're cursed. 10:18 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Mon Trt Mal Neu) had 19 copper shuriken entrusted to him by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:3708 10:20 11x4 potions! 10:20 the good news is "steel" rings don't have the iron-effect on elves. Seems only "iron" rings do. 10:20 whereas steel armor does. 10:21 weird 10:21 I just hope free action isn't iron. 10:21 the addition of carbon from happy trees keeps steel from hurting elves, it is known 10:21 the tree ghosts protect you from the iron demons 10:22 "magic" 10:23 that would be terrible if all the iron based rings were unwearable. Only a true monster would consider implementing such a thing! 10:29 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Kni Elf Fem Cha) wished for "blessed ring of p'hul", on T:32435 10:29 ugh 10:30 no dice 10:31 it is worth 3 wish attempts 10:31 2nd wished artifact? 10:31 ya, I'll try later. 3 magic lamps so far this game, but I need one for light in case of gelcubes 10:32 you don't if you have the ring :-) 10:32 that's not a gamble I'm willing to take yet. 10:35 steel armor hurts elves? that sounds like a bug then? 10:36 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Mon Trt Mal Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:7164 10:36 steel doesnt hurt elves 10:36 or anything 10:41 bouquet? 10:46 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha), 31 points, T:250, killed by a bear trap 10:47 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha), 21 points, T:126, killed by a scroll of earth 10:48 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha), 33 points, T:232, killed by a newt 10:51 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Mon Trt Mal Neu), 5124 points, T:8804, killed by a mountain dwarf 11:04 ugh not paying attention and like caitiffed myself 10 times once a giant turtle started to flee 11:05 that's like -infinity alignment record i suppose 11:05 bad krm26, bad! 11:05 dammit 11:05 i hate knights 11:05 * K2 gets the spray bottle 11:05 You are chaotic now, you just don't know it yet 11:06 Go let MML know you're ready to join 11:06 need a "turns to flee" STOP 11:06 make it so #1 11:06 no altar around either 11:06 should probably just #quit 11:06 lugh can take my dramborleg and shove it up his puckered ass 11:06 Make some interesting bones instead 11:07 Anti #quit movement! 11:10 i found a bones once where somebody left a trail of potions and other items from the stairs leading to a trail of their armor leading into a pool of lava they had jumped into 11:10 I love that 11:10 nice 11:10 skinny dipping 11:11 forget who it was, was a few years ago 11:12 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 11:16 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a bat, on T:3581 11:18 [hdf-eu] [evil] McPanther (Sam Gia Mal Law), 1021 points, T:930, quit 11:21 -!- amateurhour has joined #evilhack 11:22 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha), 2545 points, T:3738, killed by an orcish watchman 11:26 -!- ssnufd has quit [Quit: Client closed] 11:33 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Mon Trt Mal Neu), 573 points, T:2453, zombified by an orc zombie, while frozen by a monster's gaze 11:33 oopsies 11:35 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha), 492 points, T:1942, killed by a kitten 11:40 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha), 411 points, T:1219, killed by a sea tortle 11:57 goddamit everything is scared all the time 11:58 [hdf-eu] [evil] McPanther (Cav Gia Mal Neu), 2020 points, T:3092, killed by a piranha 12:08 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Mon Trt Mal Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:2137 12:08 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Mon Trt Mal Neu) performed his first genocide (locusts), on T:2147 12:08 hah throne geno 12:13 grrr no ranged, blocked by live aphrodite level in main dungeon and coplate dragonfest in minetown. fk! 12:20 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Wiz Trt Fem Neu) destroyed Charon, on T:42720 12:21 if i beat a drum in minetown i assume that everyone decides to kill me? 12:22 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Wiz Trt Fem Neu) killed Cerberus, on T:42769 12:22 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Wiz Trt Fem Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:42804 12:23 no appreciation for heavy metal music these days 12:23 what has yendor come to? 12:27 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Kni Dwa Fem Law) destroyed coplate's ghost, the former Thaumaturge, on T:11924 12:27 [hdf-eu] [evil] AlbertB (Val Hum Fem Law) became literate by engraving "y", on T:14532 12:32 [hdf-us] [evil] ssnufd (Bar Dwa Fem Neu) polymorphed her first object, on T:47329 12:41 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Kni Dwa Fem Law) had a dwarvish bearded axe entrusted to her by Lugh, on T:12340 12:41 awesome! my first gift is a dwarvish bearded axe to use instead of the dramborleg i'm wielding 12:43 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Mon Trt Mal Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping a pair of silver dwarvish boots on an altar, on T:4194 12:57 hah this is neat. izchak's shop - 2 mimics, 3 oil lamps, one candle 13:07 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Wiz Trt Fem Neu) polymorphed her first object, on T:44816 13:15 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Mon Trt Mal Neu) killed the Rat King, on T:6553 13:16 better than 2 mimics, 3 candles and one oil lamp 13:16 tru 13:17 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Wiz Trt Fem Neu) made her first wish - "magic marker named Polymorph Muse", on T:45196 13:21 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Kni Dwa Fem Law) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:13817 13:23 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 13:25 [hdf-us] [evil] gpsalmoncannon (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 149 points, T:648, killed by a small mimic 13:29 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Con Orc Mal Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a cockatrice, on T:19101 13:32 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Mon Trt Mal Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:7327 14:01 oooh boy 14:01 aphrodite level on dlvl 5 14:01 she isnt awake yet 14:02 EPI: spawns awake 100% chance 14:03 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Kni Dwa Fem Law) had a two-handed sword entrusted to her by Lugh, on T:14886 14:05 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Mon Trt Mal Neu) killed Aphrodite, on T:9655 14:06 found a wand of fire 14:06 boop 14:11 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Con Orc Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, acquiring a gold amulet of reflection, on T:23808 14:12 [hdf-us] [evil] ssnufd (Bar Dwa Fem Neu) destroyed Kas, on T:48113 14:13 [hdf-us] [evil] gpsalmoncannon (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 1472 points, T:2637, killed by a bolt of fire 14:24 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Mon Trt Mal Neu) had 18 shuriken entrusted to him by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:11256 14:29 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Kni Dwa Fem Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:16503 15:13 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Wiz Trt Fem Neu) murdered Bill, her faithful woolly mammoth, on T:47498 15:17 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Mon Trt Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed +5 dragonbane", on T:11369 15:17 got the +5 \o/ 15:17 no way 15:17 hax 15:17 way 15:18 luck was nearly maxed 15:18 cheater 15:18 now I can go destroy lacca's ghost 15:19 my original gloves werent blessed 15:19 cheater cheater vecna hand eater 15:19 missmissmissmissmiss 15:20 spent like 4000 turns getting a tool that would let me handle aphrodite level, finally got a camera -- pop back down to the level and a nymph has somehow spawned awake right next to the stairs and takes the camera in round 0 15:21 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Con Orc Mal Cha), 40566 points, T:25338, killed by a centaurian watchman 15:21 !lastgame gutso 15:21 VaderFLAG: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/G/Gutso/evilhack/dumplog/1651615555.evil.html 15:21 back to the drawing board 15:22 qt... your words hurt me. to the core 15:23 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Wiz Trt Fem Neu) had Vorpal Blade bestowed upon her by Thoth, on T:47904 15:23 hmm... you'd only be hurt by them if you knew you were cheating 15:23 I didn't think in-game luck had anything to do with getting enchantments K2? 15:24 in vanilla it's just XL 15:25 ^ even that I didn't know 15:25 well you just dont want luck to be megative 15:25 negative even 15:25 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Wish#Enchantment 15:25 aosdict: XL is involved? 15:26 wiki says no :b 15:26 according to the wiki, no 15:26 but, wiki isnt always correct 15:26 i thought it was just something like if (requested_spe > rn2(5)) spe = 0 15:27 oh I filter bots by default I didn't realize a wish was involved 15:27 but congrats on the dragonbane \o/ 15:27 someone in #nethack talking about random +5 dwarvish boots 15:27 ah 15:28 I have a random xnethack +6 increase damage ring \o/ 15:28 hax 15:28 lol 15:28 :P 15:29 aosdict: do you have some way to hide and show their messages or are they just always hidden? 15:30 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Mon Trt Mal Neu) destroyed the invisible lacca's ghost, the former Inmate, on T:11531 15:30 !tell aosdict do you still see messages directed to you from bots? 15:30 aosdict shall be duly informed at the first opportunity, amateurhour. 15:31 amateurhour, aosdict is too good for lowly bot messages 15:31 i wish there were some way to toggle on and off the messages hidden with that weechat plugin i made 15:31 it is beneath him 15:31 i can still go into the buffer where they all get dumped and compare timestamps but it's not very convenient 15:34 the weechat api suggests you can merge and unmerge buffers 15:34 maybe that would work 15:34 oh, interesting 15:34 right now everything from #evilhack, #hardfought, #tnnt, etc goes into one buffer, but that could still be useful 15:36 wow, I think that could work perfectly 15:37 I mean, even right now I can just merge them without writing it into the plugin, but it would be nicer if it only included messages from the relevant channel... hmm 15:37 nice 15:37 thanks amateurhour that is good thinking 15:38 ' 15:38 whoops cat walked on keyboard 15:38 heh 15:40 thanks amateurhour's cat that is good walking 15:43 she only has 3 legs so she's pretty happy at that qt 15:43 or I'd imagine she would be if she could understand english text on the strange warm light box 15:46 just read it out loud to her 15:46 do I have to think of everything? 15:49 my best cat (gone many years now) one threw up on my keyboard while i was leading an old timey 40-person raid in molten core. i was told that i squeal like a tween girl 15:55 what is !tell I know of no !tell 15:55 aosdict: Message from amateurhour at 2022-05-04 15:30 EDT: do you still see messages directed to you from bots? 15:56 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Wiz Trt Fem Neu) had Trollsbane bestowed upon her by Thoth, on T:49658 16:04 trollsbane and some of the other crap artifacts need at least something cool 16:06 trollsbane could be made of bone (Troll bone!) so it is really light for easy offhand use 16:07 delet trollsbane and make sunsword even more awesome by making it effective against trolls 16:08 if it was super-light and one-shotted trolls it would still not be that great but maybe occasionally someone would offhand it 16:09 alternately jack the point scores of the shit weapons :-) 16:12 krm26 I buffed up a lot of the 'crap' artifact weapons a long time ago 16:12 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Kni Dwa Fem Law) killed Aphrodite, on T:20239 16:16 and you did a good job, but not on trollbane :-) 16:16 what does the point score have to do with anything other than stuffing the arti into your suitcase to haul up to astral? 16:17 ^ 16:18 finally found a long sword, and it made out of wood, perfect for dipping 16:20 F*CK 16:20 the isle of glass has the stairs completely surrounded by water, so i entered with my pets and they are now permanently lost 16:21 time to start the environmental engineering project 16:22 they spawn next to you and instantly drown or something? not get placed safely on nearest land? 16:25 no 16:25 I would guess "safely on nearest land" 16:25 but not able to immediately magic whistle back to you 16:26 krm26 likes to embelish :) 16:26 what mobileuser said 16:26 i did not embellish! i emoted! 16:26 environmental engineering required 16:26 heightened sense of conflict and drama, makes for a good story 16:26 hyperbole is one of the top three types of bole, and one of the top four types of hyper 16:30 urg, my ice melted out from under the feet of my pet. poof 16:33 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Mon Trt Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, acquiring an amulet of magic resistance, on T:15804 16:34 krm26 - blame trollsbane 16:35 does dipping a wooden long sword not work for excalibur? 16:35 it should 16:35 as long as its a regular long sword 16:35 it is 16:35 i'll verify that for you real quick 16:35 FK, now it is cursed 16:37 yup material doesnt matter, so long as its a standard long sword 16:37 then i just have really bad luck, i'm going to run out of fountains before i get excalibur 16:42 maybe all my caitiffing prevents me from getting excalibur? 16:43 i hate knights 16:43 i'm a natural born caitiff, caitiffs gotta caitiff 16:45 12 fountains down with no excalibur, just one left so far outside of minetown 16:46 and that's it, all my fountains gone :-( 16:48 xp12, max luck, four leaf clover, no love 16:53 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Mon Trt Mal Neu) had a pair of cloth gauntlets of dexterity entrusted to him by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:16181 16:54 think i did over 40 dips 16:54 -!- amateurhour has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:55 happens in vanilla too. last year I had a tnnt game, I think i dipped over 100 times, nada 16:57 i guess it isn't impossible excalibur exists somewhere? 16:57 it seems so unlikely at 1 in 6 each dip 16:57 no sinks left either? 16:57 question - have you talked to your quest leader yet? 16:57 yeah 16:57 is that bad? 16:57 hah thats it 16:57 i didn't have a long sword until after i talked to him 16:57 if excalibut doesnt exist yet, king arthur spawns with excalibur 16:58 welll SFkjfkldgjfdglkjdfglkdfgdfglkdj 16:58 GOD FJDFLKJgffk G 16:58 *********** 16:58 OMG 16:58 i hate you 16:58 its his sword 16:58 i hate you so much 16:58 you've abused your alignment so much this game, you're prob gonna have to fight him anyways 16:58 so win-win 16:59 you mean #quit-#quit 16:59 glass half full or half empty? 17:03 its this way in 3.7 too, fyi 17:04 [hdf-us] [evil] ssnufd (Bar Dwa Fem Neu) destroyed Vecna, on T:48363 17:04 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Mon Trt Mal Neu) wished for "blessed fixed greased +5 dragonhide elven helm of drain resistance", on T:17251 17:05 hand or eye? 17:05 inquiring minds want to know, the status message on destroying vecna should alert us to his drop also 17:05 damn didnt get +5 that time 17:08 oh wow 17:08 "King Arthur now has 15 speed (instead of 12); 90 MR (instead of 40); and two 4d10 weapon attacks (instead of two 1d6 weapon attacks). In addition, he now receives a blessed +4 long sword (named Excalibur if it does not already exist), and a +4 plate mail" 17:08 [hdf-us] [evil] ssnufd (Bar Dwa Fem Neu) genocided alhoons, on T:48379 17:08 vanilla is turning into evilhack :-) 17:09 hah 17:09 gotta run, gymnastics time. see you all later. <3 krm26 your luck will improve 17:09 see ya! 17:10 if it werent for bad luck i'd have no luck at all... 17:22 Yes, evilhack infecting vanilla, I love it 17:26 -!- screamingskull has joined #evilhack 17:32 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Wiz Trt Fem Neu) refused to give up The Eye of the Aethiopica to Neferet the Green, on T:50634 17:32 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Wiz Trt Fem Neu) killed Neferet the Green, on T:50638 17:33 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Wiz Trt Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (master mind flayers), on T:50651 17:51 here's some good luck for me -- shambling horrors steal gold, and my amulet of reflection is gold. was gold. gone now 17:51 rust/butt/hallucinate/disenchant/steal gold 17:52 That's a real grab bag of annoyance 18:01 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 18:14 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Wiz Trt Fem Neu) murdered her faithful eldritch ki-rin, on T:51930 18:15 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Kni Elf Fem Cha) had Orcrist bestowed upon her by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:38314 18:25 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Kni Elf Fem Cha) had a silver elven dagger entrusted to her by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:39266 18:39 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Kni Elf Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (gelatinous cubes), on T:40086 18:51 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Kni Elf Fem Cha) had a pair of cloth gloves entrusted to her by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:40886 18:53 -!- PT has joined #evilhack 19:00 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Kni Elf Fem Cha) had an elven dagger entrusted to her by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:41993 19:04 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:09 -!- screamingskull has quit [Quit: Client closed] 20:00 -!- NetSysFire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:00 -!- NetSysFire has joined #evilhack 20:01 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:1273 20:03 -!- PT has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:07 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 5076 points, T:2342, killed by a piranha 20:27 [hdf-us] [evil] lgxia (Rog Hum Mal Cha) killed the Master Assassin, on T:77500 20:27 [hdf-us] [evil] lgxia (Rog Hum Mal Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:77503 20:35 damn, shambling horror has my mr, can 3-shot me, and i can't reliably hit it with no ranged options. fubadbfgdf 20:36 glad i got that gold amulet from sokoban :- 20:36 P 20:37 -!- terrapin has joined #evilhack 20:49 -!- qt has joined #evilhack 20:57 how does polymorph interact with the dtsund stuff? if i am wearing scales cloak, will i poly into that dragon? if i am wearing scaled armor, will i? what if i am wearing both of different colors? 21:21 interesting point krm26 21:22 I just tried it a couple times in xnh (so results may vary in evilhack), and each time my dragon-scaled armor 'merged with my skin' (without reverting back to scales as normal DSM does...) and my dragon-scale cloak 'tore apart' 21:23 I would have thought it'd make more sense that the underlying armor gets ripped apart but you keep the scales, rather than the dragon-scaled leather jacket warping so it fits a dragon or whatever 21:24 that's also a bit more consistent with how it works in vanilla I think... but idk, I guess that's the situation in xnh at least 21:25 when you're wearing DSM in vanilla and polymorph, it turns back into normal scales at the end, right? 21:25 or as it 'merges with your skin', rather 21:26 I guess one potential complication compared to vanilla is that you'd have to move it from the armor slot to cloak slot in order to do that 21:27 probably aosdict has a good reason for doing it that way, he's very thoughtful about that kind of thing 21:31 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Kni Elf Fem Cha) had Dirge gifted to her by the grace of Manannan Mac Lir, on T:43745 21:32 the good reason is being nice and not evil 21:33 the explanation in the commit message is just "doesn't seem right to have the scales unmeld from it and cost the player another enchant scroll to put them back on" (even though it costs another enchant scroll in vanilla? I guess the real pain would be losing whatever good armor you had merged the scales with) 21:34 that would definitely suck to lose whatever special armor you liked enough to merge your dragon scales with, it's pretty much guaranteed to be the best armor you have 21:35 and unlike vanilla DSM you couldn't just read an enchant scroll to reform the armor you had before, if the base armor is destroyed 21:37 is there any way to enchant the dragon scales without them melding with armor or turning oneself into a dragon? 21:38 no 21:38 outside of wishing for them enchanted, if that is still possible 21:38 no longer still possible 21:39 in evilhack too? 21:39 can't speak for evilhack 21:39 the upside is we can now have reflection in a cloak slot. 21:39 I'm trying to do it in wizmode and can't find a way around it 21:40 wishing for scales enchantment was a neat little fun thing to have when it was all clandestine, but when someone publicized "hey you can wish for enchantment, this makes wishing for scales optimal" then nope 21:40 cough elbereth cough excalibur cough 21:48 -!- ssnufd has joined #evilhack 21:51 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Wiz Elf Fem Neu), 1304 points, T:2099, killed by a giant mosquito 21:52 "The bat dies from its illness." Bats have an absurdly strong immune system. That's why they're such great incubators for disease. They should be immune to zombie bites 21:53 wish granted, bats can no longer be affected by zombie bites, but if a bat is bitten by a zombie, subsequent things it bites get zombie disease 21:59 [hdf-us] [evil] dolio (Inf Hum Mal Una), 689 points, T:1565, zombified by a diseased hobbit corpse 22:09 [hdf-us] [evil] gpsalmoncannon (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) had a spellbook of sleep given to him by Anhur, on T:332 22:10 [hdf-us] [evil] gpsalmoncannon (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 349 points, T:490, killed by a silver dart 22:20 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Wiz Elf Fem Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping 20 darts on an altar, on T:3063 22:20 [hdf-us] [evil] ssnufd (Bar Dwa Fem Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:49286 22:21 [hdf-us] [evil] ssnufd (Bar Dwa Fem Neu) killed Lolth, on T:49289 22:21 [hdf-us] [evil] ssnufd (Bar Dwa Fem Neu) killed Yeenoghu, on T:49290 22:22 [hdf-us] [evil] gpsalmoncannon (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 531 points, T:1599, killed by a mountain dwarf 22:29 that's fair. 22:33 [hdf-eu] [evil] Storm (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:14768 22:35 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Kni Elf Fem Cha) had a steel banded mail entrusted to her by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:49551 22:35 thanks for nothing "Man" 22:36 Man, Ann, an' Mac 22:41 -!- ssnufd has quit [Quit: Client closed] 22:43 ♫♫ all I want for Manannan Mac Lir day is Stormbringer ♫♫ 22:47 heh 23:03 [hdf-us] [evil] gpsalmoncannon (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 1079 points, T:1282, killed by a rothe 23:19 [hdf-us] [evil] gpsalmoncannon (Hea Trt Mal Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:1807 23:19 [hdf-us] [evil] gpsalmoncannon (Hea Trt Mal Neu) performed his first genocide (pyrolisks), on T:1822 23:24 [hdf-us] [evil] gpsalmoncannon (Hea Trt Mal Neu), 216 points, T:2576, burned by a tower of flame 23:36 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:45 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Val Cen Fem Neu) had a pair of leather gloves entrusted to her by Odin, on T:42923 23:47 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 23:54 [hdf-us] [evil] gpsalmoncannon (Wiz Trt Mal Neu), 445 points, T:1397, killed by a piranha 23:57 is the ultimate armor combo now crystal plate + dragon scale?