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01:47 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] ssnufd (Rog Hob Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:7612
01:57 <Hecubus> [hdf-au] [evil] Umbire (Bar Gia Fem Cha) killed Aphrodite, on T:27994
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03:09 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Dem Mal Una) wished for "magic marker", on T:63760
03:09 <Umbire> Oh yeah, I have a p. okay kit for where I am, but I'm also XL 12 
03:10 <Umbire> clearing the last floor of Soko, should I gamble the coinflip on an MR source or try for the coinflip on the armor upgrade
03:10 * Umbire has a shield of reflection and GoDex for context
03:11 <mobileuser> I tend to go for the chance of MR
03:11 <mobileuser> how much ink is an acid blast spellbook....
03:12 <Umbire> Uhhhh, what level is it
03:12 <Umbire> lemme see
03:13 <mobileuser> wiki says 6
03:14 <Umbire> anywhere from 30-59 then, as an estimate
03:14 <mobileuser> oof
03:14 <mobileuser> hmmm
03:16 <mobileuser> I think I'll play it safe and invest another wish then, keep the magic marker for other stuff
03:30 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Dem Mal Una) wished for "blessed spellbook of acid blast", on T:63763
03:36 <Hecubus> [hdf-au] [evil] Umbire (Bar Gia Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, acquiring an amulet of reflection, on T:35420
03:36 <Umbire> :c
03:39 <mobileuser> it is the way
05:33 <Hecubus> [hdf-au] [evil] Umbire (Bar Gia Fem Cha) killed Thoth Amon, on T:41155
05:33 <Hecubus> [hdf-au] [evil] Umbire (Bar Gia Fem Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:41157
05:48 <Umbire> No luck, huh
05:48 <Umbire> Fuck it
05:48 <Hecubus> [hdf-au] [evil] Umbire (Bar Gia Fem Cha) returned The Ring of P'hul to Pelias, completing her quest, on T:42331
05:49 <mobileuser> kill him later
05:50 <Umbire> No
05:50 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Dem Mal Una) destroyed Kas, on T:64179
05:51 <mobileuser> ok :-)
06:17 <Umbire> That figures, tried to poly a pet and got an alhoon
06:18 <Umbire> Keep in mind I still have Sunsword
06:19 <Umbire> Luck swung the other way after, teleportitis dumped me on the upstair
06:22 <mobileuser> oof
06:23 <Umbire> Oh boy, there's the shambling horror
06:23 <Umbire> Disease attack and hold to boot
06:24 <mobileuser> if only Pelias hadn't been a dick, you would have sickness res :-(
06:24 <Umbire> I don't feel like risking my Luck on that shit, already doing it in one game
06:25 <Umbire> 4d8 disease, 5d6 acid, 2d8 sticky
06:26 <Umbire> 14 speed and -6 AC, bit of ranged work cut out for me
06:27 <Umbire> Horror's down, so is the player monster monk
06:36 <mobileuser> noice!
06:37 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] davez (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 2415 points, T:2934, killed by a manes
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07:39 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Dem Mal Una) destroyed Vecna, on T:64992
07:40 <mobileuser> oops, spelling mistake: "disintigrating body"
07:40 <mobileuser> ^ K2
07:41 <mobileuser> f - a mummified hand named The Hand of Vecna
07:41 <mobileuser> decisions, decisions
07:47 <K2> DOO EET
07:51 <mobileuser> probably yes
07:56 <mobileuser> whilst not on the ascension run, I can deal with the lack of reflection from dragonbane by replacing my MR cloak with sea dragon scales + reflection amulet (or silver scales + magical breathing amulet). on the ascension run I'll have to swap the amulets around where needed.
07:57 <K2> WHILST
07:57 <mobileuser> \o/
07:57 <K2> i'm all caps this morning hah
08:15 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Dem Mal Una) performed his first genocide (two random monsters from class L), on T:64999
08:27 <K2> the hand of vecna beckons you
08:30 <mobileuser> can I eat it?
08:34 <K2> no sicko
08:34 <nabru> You can. Whether you'll survive...
08:34 <K2> not the hand no
08:34 <nabru> as they say, "all mushrooms are edible, but some only once"
08:34 <nabru> ah :P
08:35 <mobileuser> it's a body part, I should be able to :-)
08:35 <nabru> :D
08:46 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Wiz Trt Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:1677
08:46 <mobileuser> Butter Goblin defeated! \o/
08:47 <mobileuser> hmmm a red dragon can apparently wear an amulet of life saving
08:47 <K2> it prob started out as something else
08:47 <K2> poly'd into one
08:48 <mobileuser> yeah she was called Sophia
08:49 <mobileuser> but the amulet didn't get pushed off
08:52 <K2> same happens for the player
08:52 <nabru> You have moderately abused your alignment.
08:52 <nabru> ah F
08:53 <mobileuser> that reminds me, I still need to kill my quest leader :b
08:58 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Wiz Trt Fem Neu) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:2214
08:59 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Wiz Trt Fem Neu), 2185 points, T:2416, killed by a bolt of cold
09:04 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] arnibald (Inf Gia Mal Una) had a steel dagger entrusted to him by Moloch, on T:39500
09:12 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Dem Mal Una) genocided alhoons, on T:65413
09:13 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Dem Mal Una) genocided two random monsters from class L, on T:65414
09:13 <Not-9244> [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 2 commits to master [+0/-0/±4] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/9069520b2fd4...073b26c26db5
09:13 <Not-9244> [EvilHack] k21971 7b24f65 - Fix: a couple typos.
09:13 <Not-9244> [EvilHack] k21971 073b26c - Eating the Hand of Vecna is bad for you.
09:14 <mobileuser> haha!
09:14 <K2> :P
09:24 <mobileuser> oops
09:25 <mobileuser> I wanted to enchant hand of vecna, but now my sea dragon scales merged into my armor
09:25 <mobileuser> must have picked the wrong letter
09:25 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] lgxia (Kni Hum Fem Cha), 227712 points, T:67172, killed by a human curate called Wang the Curate
09:27 <mobileuser> K2 why can't I enchant from +6 to +7
09:27 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] arnibald (Inf Gia Mal Una) had a pair of steel gauntlets of power entrusted to him by Moloch, on T:40633
09:28 <mobileuser> that's annoying
09:29 <mobileuser> Hand of Vecna glows brown.
09:29 <mobileuser> lol
09:30 <mobileuser> I hope I still have some yellow scales at my former stash... stupid mistake
09:31 <K2> glows brown?
09:31 <K2> hrm
09:32 <mobileuser> well, "The" is missing
09:32 <mobileuser> I dipped it in unholy water
09:33 <K2> oh
09:33 <K2> i thought it was from the monster spell 'destroy armor' that shouldnt happen
09:34 <mobileuser> max carry is still 1000...
09:35 <mobileuser> I was hoping that would go up
09:35 <K2> lemme check a thing
09:36 <mobileuser> ...and not being able to go from +6 to +7 is a bit strange?
09:36 <K2> wearing GoP doesnt get you past 1000 carry cap, so neither would the hand
09:38 <mobileuser> OK, I seemed to remember my cap getting lower (to 1000) when I gave up on GoP, but I must be confused
09:38 <mobileuser> maybe that was when I was a giant
09:38 <K2> what were you before turning into a demon
09:38 <K2> ah hah
09:38 <K2> thats it
09:38 <mobileuser> heh
09:39 <K2> giants and centaurs have a carry cap of 1400
09:39 <K2> tortles 1200
09:39 <K2> rest have cap of 1000
09:41 <mobileuser> I was hoping "confers giant strength" in the wiki description would also mean giant carry cap :-)
09:41 <K2> how much you can caryy takes body size/composition into account
09:41 <K2> *carry
09:42 <mobileuser> but I'm wearing the very historic very magical Hand of Vecna!! :b
09:42 <K2> but IS IT GREASED!?
09:42 <mobileuser> oops...
09:42 <K2> omfg
09:42 <mobileuser> not even partly eaten
09:43 <K2> just... wow
09:43 <mobileuser> #quit
09:43 <K2> hahah
09:48 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] arnibald (Inf Gia Mal Una) killed the Rat King, on T:41878
09:50 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] zor (Cav Gia Mal Law), 1032 points, T:1887, killed by a water demon
10:15 <mobileuser> hahaha!!
10:15 <mobileuser> K2, the Hand is gone!
10:16 <mobileuser> when the fuck did that happen :b
10:16 <mobileuser> I have saved, will download some ttyrecs later
10:16 <mobileuser> chores to do...
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10:28 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] poisonrat (Mon Trt Mal Law) murdered his faithful little dog, on T:1412
10:32 <K2> mobileuser WAT
10:32 <K2> were you wearing it?
10:33 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] poisonrat (Mon Trt Mal Law), 613 points, T:2349, zombified by a kobold zombie, while frozen by a monster's gaze
10:40 <mobileuser> wearing it and enchanted to +6
10:41 <K2> and its gone?
10:41 <mobileuser> maybe it's the same thing as with dragonbane again
10:41 <mobileuser> I tried to enchant from +6 to +7
10:41 <mobileuser> maybe it got marked for deletion
10:43 <K2> lets find the ttyrec
10:43 <mobileuser> start at 2022-04-29.13_11_55.ttyrec
10:44 <mobileuser> oh, visitors coming
10:45 <mobileuser> happy hunting, see you later :b  they will probably stick around for a few hours
10:45 <K2> o/
10:58 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] lgxia (Rog Hum Mal Cha) had a long sword entrusted to him by Kos, on T:2540
11:01 <K2> whoa
11:01 <K2> mobileuser you had the hand of vecna worn when you saved. when you reloaded your game, it was just gone
11:02 <K2> what the actual fuck
11:05 <K2> i cant recreate it. I can save/reload wearing the hand of vecna, its always there
11:10 <K2> hah shit
11:10 <K2> i recretaed it
11:10 <K2> *recreated
11:11 <K2> !tell mobileuser if you 'overenchant' the hand of vecna, nothing happens to it, but for some reason when you save/reload, it acts like it did evaporate away
11:11 <Hecubus> I'm on it, K2.
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11:38 <K2> hiya qt
11:38 <qt> hey
11:38 <Hecubus> Hello qt, Welcome to #evilhack
11:38 <K2> this should be a simple fix but i am missing something...
11:38 <K2> you'll like this one
11:38 <K2> mobileuser lost his worn hand of vecna
11:38 <qt> nice
11:38 <K2> he was trying to get it to +7
11:39 <K2> you cant destroy the hand by over enchanting it
11:39 <K2> but for whatever reason the game thought it should be
11:39 <K2> in his current session it was fine
11:39 <K2> save/reload - hand of vecna gone
11:40 <K2> easy to recreate, just wear the hand, try to enchant it to +7, get the 'vibrates violently for awhile, but nothing else happens' message, save/reload
11:40 <qt> yeah
11:40 <qt> i see it
11:40 <qt> interesting
11:40 <K2> in read.c line 1289 something is not right
11:41 <K2> i put a break; in there to make sure it doesnt go to useup() but that doesant work
11:42 <qt> try replacing the ; with otmp->in_use = FALSE;
11:42 <qt> just a guess
11:42 <K2> hmm
11:42 <qt> i just saw yesterday while looking at save.c there's some stuff like "if the item is in-use, handle it specially" so maybe not clearing that is the problem
11:43 <K2> yeah something is carrying over from save to reload
11:43 <qt> that seems to fix it for me
11:44 <K2> yup same
11:44 <K2> friggin genius
11:44 <K2> GENUS
11:44 <qt> PHYLUM
11:44 <K2> hah
11:45 <K2> i made a couple other edits that seem to make more sense - https://termbin.com/h94o
11:46 <qt> makes sense to me
11:46 <K2> cool
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11:50 <Not-9244> [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/073b26c26db5...10326f49f411
11:50 <Not-9244> [EvilHack] k21971 10326f4 - Fix: the Hand of Vecna could disappear if the game is saved/reloaded after attempting to over-enchant.
11:52 <K2> latest commits are live
11:52 <K2> !tell mobileuser hand of vecna issue has been fixed, thank you for your selfless contribution to SCIENCE
11:52 <Hecubus> I'm on it, K2.
12:07 <aosdict> he sacrificed vecnaless conduct for that
12:10 <mobileuser> K2 did you read what I wrote ;-)
12:10 <Hecubus> mobileuser: Message from K2 at 2022-04-29 11:11 EDT: if you 'overenchant' the hand of vecna, nothing happens to it, but for some reason when you save/reload, it acts like it did evaporate away
12:10 <Hecubus> mobileuser: Message from K2 at 2022-04-29 11:52 EDT: hand of vecna issue has been fixed, thank you for your selfless contribution to SCIENCE
12:11 <K2> yeah
12:11 <K2> and... SCIENCE
12:11 <K2> \o/ and :(
12:12 <mobileuser> heh
12:12 <K2> sorry that happened
12:12 <mobileuser> where is amateurhour :b
12:12 <K2> i'm going to bame amateurhour since he isnt here
12:12 <K2> *blame
12:12 <mobileuser> it's funnier to say SCAMMED when he is here ;-)
12:12 <K2> and then when he comes back i'll deflect
12:12 <mobileuser> lol
12:13 <K2> heh
12:13 <K2> you still have your GoPro right?
12:14 <mobileuser> dragonbane
12:14 <mobileuser> I'll be fine
12:15 <mobileuser> same bug as when I was scammed out of dragonbane some time ago =D
12:15 <K2> no that's different
12:15 <K2> was that the antimatter vortex thing?
12:15 <mobileuser> no
12:16 <K2> what was it
12:16 <mobileuser> when there was a bug hitting black dragons
12:16 <mobileuser> ^
12:16 <K2> oh that
12:16 <mobileuser> marked for deletion
12:16 <mobileuser> save/reload, poof
12:16 <K2> no, that's different
12:16 <K2> in_use isnt in play there
12:17 <K2> it was just happening and we decided it prob shouldnt given its nature
12:17 <mobileuser> ok
12:17 <K2> i dont recall a save/reload/poof for dbane
12:17 <mobileuser> I do!
12:17 <K2> LIES
12:17 <mobileuser> pretty long time ago by now
12:17 <K2> ah
12:18 <mobileuser> maybe I can find it in the old commits somewhere...
12:19 <K2> i've slept since then, so I cant be pinned with any responsibility whatsoever
12:19 <mobileuser> let's blame amateurhour
12:21 <K2> \o/
12:22 <K2> !tell amateurhour on 29/04/2022 at around 4:19pm UTC, you may have felt an odd, uncomfortable sensation without being able to explain why. it's because we in #evilhack came to a consensus that everything is your fault. thank you and have a nice day
12:22 <Hecubus> amateurhour shall be duly informed at the first opportunity, K2.
12:23 <K2> !tell amateurhour mobileuser made me say that (and he blamed you for it) :P
12:23 <Hecubus> amateurhour shall be duly informed at the first opportunity, K2.
12:24 <mobileuser> !tell amateurhour that is K2 blaming you for me getting SCAMMED out of The Hand of Vecna
12:24 <Hecubus> amateurhour shall be duly informed at the first opportunity, mobileuser.
12:24 <K2> lol
12:25 <mobileuser> SCAMMED such a nice word :b
12:25 <K2> its up there with 'moist'
12:37 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Trt Fem Neu) killed Medusa, on T:52800
12:40 <krm26> Medusa's corpse? wonder if my arch lich ran off and killed her while i wasn't looking
12:41 <krm26> and i got the credit!
12:47 <K2> wewp
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13:05 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Mon Trt Mal Neu) had 16 shuriken entrusted to him by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:22369
13:09 <krm26> gotta remember to park my arch lich pet before he goes and wakes up a demon lord for me when i'm not prepared
13:13 <K2> crap. where's my stash
13:14 <qt> i disposed of it for you
13:17 <K2> found it
13:21 <krm26> if i couldn't make level notes my head would explode
13:22 <krm26> i didn't start using item or level notes in-game until like 2018
13:51 <ssnufd> 85 marker from the goblin king thank you sir (y)
13:55 <K2> nooice
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14:00 <krm26> what a joke that tortle barbarians have an enchantment skill
14:04 <K2> all barbarians do
14:04 <K2> skills arent determined by race
14:04 <K2> oooh boy I just won the shambling horror lottery
14:04 <K2> Attacks: 2d7 touch sleep
14:04 <K2> that's it
14:05 <K2> also displaced
14:06 <krm26> i know, just particularly sad for tortles
14:07 <K2> why?
14:07 <K2> max int/wis is 18/20
14:07 <K2> they can cast
14:08 <krm26> does evilhack even have a level 1 enchantment spell? did confuse get swapped to 1 when sleep moved to 2?
14:08 <K2> i believe so
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14:09 <K2> ah, no it didnt
14:10 <K2> it did in vanilla though
14:10 <krm26> thats rough
14:10 <K2> you're rough
14:10 <krm26> i'd say i am rubber but i'm too rough for rubber
14:10 <K2> heh
14:12 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Trt Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed greased +3 dragonbane", on T:55521
14:13 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Trt Fem Neu) wished for "blessed greased +3 dragonhide helm of speed", on T:55530
14:13 <krm26> there, 100% of my gear wished for
14:13 <K2> \o/
14:14 <qt> krm26: what does #MGncy mean?
14:14 <krm26> it reads "emergency" sort of, but my rc does colors based on color codes
14:14 <krm26> #MG = bold magenta
14:14 <krm26> #WT = bold white
14:15 <qt> ah I see
14:15 <krm26> #wt = normal white
14:15 <krm26> etc
14:15 <krm26> see, just turned my amulet white
14:15 <krm26> i do stuff like that to minimize my f*ing myself
14:15 <qt> I have a similar thing but I think it's like '{W}' or '{G}', I never really use it
14:16 <krm26> because i LOVE to f myself
14:16 <krm26> now to figure out what to normally dual wield
14:16 <qt> that's clever that you can kind of spell words with them
14:16 <krm26> it just happens with that one really
14:16 <krm26> that was the ding ding ding bulb over my head to let me get color codes and an emergency bag
14:17 <krm26> and i always name my luckstone to remind me what rings to eat
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14:18 <krm26> oh stupid stupid sunsword unpeaced my arch lich pet didn't it
14:18 <krm26> i should have expected it to do that, Fffffffff
14:18 <krm26> now, i die
14:18 <K2> you'll be alright
14:18 <K2> use sunsword to kill it
14:19 <krm26> but my poor kitty
14:21 <krm26> i can't even hit that arch lich, it has 20 levels on me
14:21 <krm26> and 3 times my health
14:21 <aosdict> "i always name my luckstone to remind me what rings to eat" is a good sentence to present without context to a non nethack player
14:23 <ssnufd> lol
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14:26 <ssnufd> i need to start putting jewelry eating into my games i never do it. you lose any gained hp though after the poly right? like from nurses / potions
14:27 <aosdict> EPI: intrinsics gained while polymorphed (like from jewelry) go away when you unpoly
14:29 <ssnufd> whats epi aosdict?
14:29 <aosdict> https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Evil_Patch_Idea
14:30 <ssnufd> nice
14:32 <mobileuser> K2 could there be other places where the Hand could suffer from in_use problems? (disintegration, destroy armor monster spell etc)
14:34 <K2> not that i'm aware of
14:35 <K2> i never noticed otmp->in_use except with frying your armor from over enchanting
14:35 <qt> it's definitely used for other things too
14:35 <K2> doesnt hurt to look though
14:37 <qt> what does the comment on in_use mean: "for magic items before useup items" (??)
14:39 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Storm (Inf Ith Fem Una), 438 points, T:872, killed by the Goblin King
14:40 <qt> i think it's something like "when an item is going to be destroyed after some additional stuff happens, it gets set in_use so that it will be discarded by an emergency save that comes before it's actually used up"?
14:40 <qt> but i don't really understand the comment, so maybe I'm wrong
14:41 <qt> oh, and I guess it's also so it won't be destroyed twice
14:42 <qt> basically a "this item's destruction is pending" flag
14:51 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Storm (Inf Ith Fem Una), 615 points, T:909, killed by the Goblin King
14:53 <K2> huh
14:56 <krm26> ssnufd: for my book, the most important thing is to eat amulets of magical breathing until you no longer have to worry about suffocation/drowning
14:56 <krm26> it can be fun when accuracy or damage rings are edible, but it is just gravy really
14:57 <krm26> although protection from shape changers is nice to eat when you can
14:57 <ssnufd> ah good call, didnt know either one of those worked :)
14:59 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Storm (Mon Trt Fem Neu) had a pair of gauntlets of dexterity entrusted to her by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:55847
15:01 <krm26> by the time you're getting ready to eat jewelry teleport control is almost always passe; probably polymorph control too
15:02 <ssnufd> actually learned the other day cerberus corpse gives TC which is sweet
15:02 <krm26> yeah, pretty rare tho
15:02 <krm26> i still eat him because at that stage of the game it is convenient to not have to use a ring, but only gotten it once
15:03 <ssnufd> oh wow lol gotcha
15:03 <ssnufd> for some reason in my head it was 100%
15:03 <ssnufd> as like a gehenom present :)
15:04 <K2> :)
15:14 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] davez (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 1185 points, T:2383, quit
15:16 <ssnufd> think i got smoky as object detect. id like to see my soko prize locations but ill take a wish as well
15:16 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] davez (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had 20 shuriken entrusted to him by Huan Ti, on T:412
15:17 <krm26> my horror: pit hug stun disenchant hallucinate :-(
15:17 <krm26> disenchant stun is noooo
15:18 <ssnufd> attack disenchant or passive
15:18 <ssnufd> can horrors have passives?
15:18 <krm26> not that i've seen
15:18 <ssnufd> i havent either
15:19 <krm26> remember to add your voice to mine, asking k2 to add another random attack to your horrors for each one you kill
15:19 <krm26> justice for shambling horrors!
15:21 <ssnufd> oh my lord true horror
15:21 <ssnufd> the last one i had was gigantic or something first one i saw had like 180~ hp
15:21 <krm26> that's right! we need TRUE horror
15:23 <K2> hah
15:25 <terrapin> the last one I got was shy (I forget the actual term---it stayed away from melee) and had a cold breath attack but no cold resistance. So I'd just hang out and and it would kill itself.
15:25 <ssnufd> someone pick tool or armor
15:26 <ssnufd> !rng tool armor
15:26 <Hecubus> ssnufd: tool
15:26 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Trt Fem Neu) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:57382
15:26 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] ssnufd (Rog Hob Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, acquiring a bag of holding, on T:14086
15:27 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] davez (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 1449 points, T:2227, killed by a werewolf
15:27 <mobileuser> "The lava cools and solidifies under Ghulgaf the Markswoman's feet." cool stuff :-)
15:27 <K2> \o/
15:29 <ssnufd> nice
15:29 <mobileuser> "white-scaled crystal plate mail" fancy!
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15:34 <krm26> i am SO SQUISHY
15:35 <mobileuser> "The dwarven pioneer turns into a dwarven champion!" uh...
15:35 <krm26> i think i better alchemy myself up a tremendous number of hp before letting kathryn at me
15:36 <mobileuser> ah, another NPC
15:37 <mobileuser> or rather a sandestin pretending to be one
15:38 <krm26> racial pioneers and champions are always shapeshifters
15:38 <ssnufd> did you need that crystal plate mobileuser? i really like that and the white scales are fun
15:38 <ssnufd> yeah they always get me so excited:(
15:43 <ssnufd> "you have never abused your alignment" now im not sure if ive ever seen that haha
15:45 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Fem Law) completed Sokoban, acquiring a magic marker, on T:30269
15:48 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] davez (Mon Hum Mal Cha) destroyed davez's ghost, the former Thaumaturge, on T:2848
15:48 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] ssnufd (Rog Hob Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (gelatinous cubes), on T:14569
15:49 <mobileuser> ssnufd I need flexible armorfor my demon infidel, so no crystal plate for me :-)
15:50 <mobileuser> it's just nice to see what stuff NPC's get
15:54 <krm26> Sunsword + wraith = :-(
15:58 <ssnufd> for sure i love going through their loot
16:04 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] davez (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:4389
16:07 <krm26> jeez master mind flayers are rough on uberslow tortles
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16:14 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] davez (Mon Hum Mal Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping a spherical amulet on an altar, on T:5272
16:26 <Umbire> actual NPCs are always named
16:26 <Umbire> Rather than just having their rank
16:27 <Umbire> unnamed player monsters are more likely to be dopplegangers than sandestins specifically, the latter prefer nasties
16:27 <krm26> i wish the npcs would sometimes try to engrave elbereth against you
16:27 <krm26> or pray (succesfully maybe)
16:27 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] davez (Mon Hum Mal Cha) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:5991
16:32 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Storm (Inf Ith Fem Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:911
16:32 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Dem Mal Una) genocided master mind flayers, on T:66618
16:42 <krm26> it is funny that -34ac, about as high as it is possible for me to get, still lets everything and its mother beat the crap out of me
16:45 <mobileuser> even with -50 some things can still beat the crap out of you :-)
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16:46 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Fem Law) had a pair of jumping boots entrusted to her by Quetzalcoatl, on T:32313
16:48 <mobileuser> speed is the main problem I suppose krm26? everyone gets more hits?
16:51 <mobileuser> I always forget: is my death-magic-resistant demon immune to the wand of Orcus (LOGIC) or not (K2 NO FREEBIES LOGIC) :b
16:57 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] AlbertB (Val Hum Fem Law), 63122 points, T:23471, suffocated by a water elemental
16:57 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Dem Mal Una) killed Orcus, on T:66852
17:00 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 24 points, T:136, killed by a goblin
17:09 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] ssnufd (Rog Hob Fem Neu) became Mog's Envoy of Balance, on T:15601
17:17 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:3446
17:20 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] davez (Mon Hum Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:8933
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17:21 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Thoth, on T:4774
17:28 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:6055
17:31 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] ssnufd (Rog Hob Fem Neu) killed Aphrodite, on T:16207
17:41 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Dem Mal Una) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:67698
17:41 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Dem Mal Una) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:67699
17:44 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] davez (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 31080 points, T:10192, killed by a bolt of fire
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17:54 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] ssnufd (Rog Hob Fem Neu) destroyed lgxia's ghost, the former Blackguard, on T:16496
17:57 <ssnufd> oh my man was loaded
17:58 <ssnufd> got killed by a player monster
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18:01 <screamingskull> love it when I find a high lever ghost, loaded with goods, who died at an earlier level.  either going to a stash or altar, or Mine Town, etc. and meet an untimely death.
18:01 <Hecubus> screamingskull: Message from Umbire at 2022-04-26 14:37 EDT: the MR stat given in Pinobot is for monster magic resistance - it's completely independent of any player-style MR a monster can possess (say, by being a gray dragon or wearing an MR source)
18:02 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Kni Elf Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:6807
18:02 <screamingskull> I've had ascension gear before dungeon level 10 before due to loaded ghost
18:02 <ssnufd> he was dual wielding dirge/frostbrand and this playermon took him out its peaceful to me haha
18:03 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Cav Gia Fem Law) became literate by engraving "sihs", on T:6434
18:04 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Cav Gia Fem Law) had Keolewa bestowed upon her by Anu, on T:6688
18:06 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Cav Gia Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a wererat, on T:7473
18:07 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Cav Gia Fem Law), 986 points, T:7561, zombified by a gnome zombie
18:09 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Kni Elf Fem Cha) murdered her faithful pony, on T:7534
18:10 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Kni Elf Fem Cha) had a pair of stone kicking boots entrusted to her by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:7620
18:16 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Kni Elf Fem Cha) had Orcrist bestowed upon her by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:8089
18:17 <ssnufd> i havent abused my alignment but i cant lift the cursed boh and this peaceful priest is eyeing it lol
18:19 <Umbire> No cancellation?
18:20 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Cav Gia Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a wererat, on T:4708
18:20 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Cav Gia Fem Law) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:4708
18:20 <ssnufd> oh is that what you do? i havent found cancel yet, i was wrackin my brain on how i was gonna uncurse it because i didnt want to leave it
18:21 <ssnufd> for some reason i never thought of that, and does that uncurse luckstones and not turn them into rocks umbire?
18:22 <Umbire> Cancellation doesn't revert EVERYTHING to mundane :B
18:22 <Umbire> it's a common thing for bones files, you haul off whatever you want that wouldn't survive being cancelled
18:23 <Umbire> then zap the wand at the rest
18:23 <Umbire> in the case of BOH/luckstone it just uncurses
18:23 <Umbire> or sets to uncursed, I should say
18:23 <ssnufd> nice
18:25 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Kni Elf Fem Cha), 10127 points, T:8402, killed by a magic missile
18:28 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Cav Gia Fem Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:6329
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19:04 <ssnufd> You disturbed me, fool! I think I'll keep this wish for myself! the djinni makes a wish for a cloak of magic resistance
19:04 <ssnufd> im in the club rebatela!
19:05 <ssnufd> also add dragonhide on there next time friend
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19:16 <Umbire> Can you kill them after that happens?
19:19 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Cav Gia Fem Law), 14094 points, T:13436, killed by a mountain centaur
19:20 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Kni Orc Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:7086
19:21 <ssnufd> umbire yup!
19:22 <ssnufd> they are hostile (angry for being released) and rebatela had one wish for a cockatrice egg and throw it at em lol
19:24 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] ssnufd (Rog Hob Fem Neu) wished for "blessed greased +2 dragonhide t-shirt of decay", on T:16944
19:25 <Umbire> lmfaooooooo
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19:41 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Kni Dwa Fem Law), 653 points, T:2028, killed by a bolt of fire
19:48 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] ssnufd (Rog Hob Fem Neu) had Cleaver bestowed upon her by Mog, on T:17159
19:48 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Kni Cen Fem Cha), 451 points, T:695, killed by a rock gnome
19:49 <bouquet> I don't know why there are even other race/role combos besides giant samurai :P
19:49 <bouquet> so superios
19:49 <bouquet> and superior
19:51 <krm26> giant samurai is pretty sweet until you never find tiamat
19:51 <krm26> sadly wishing for a cursed figurine of tiamat does not work
20:00 <bouquet> I've never gotten scales from her and I did fine.
20:00 <bouquet> I'm just whining because I'm playing my 3rd favorite role and sucking at it
20:10 <K2> bouquet heh
20:10 <K2> giant samurai for lyfe
20:10 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Gno Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1735
20:12 <bouquet> reprazent
20:12 <bouquet> also, gnome wizard.
20:12 <bouquet> my 1st favorite 
20:12 <K2> \o/
20:12 <K2> i have to do dishes before the boss gets home
20:12 <K2> woe is me
20:12 <K2> (whoa)
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20:16 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Gno Fem Cha), 2874 points, T:3176, killed by a hill orc
20:17 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Kni Elf Fem Cha), 1286 points, T:3163, killed by a piranha
20:17 <bouquet> you should get a dishwasher
20:18 <bouquet> blessed fixed +5 dishwasher
20:25 <bouquet> at what point does being an elf not suck? 
20:27 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Trt Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (disenchanters), on T:63874
20:29 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Fem Law), 75502 points, T:33275, killed by a touch of death, while sleeping
20:29 <krm26> elf is fine except for all the iron weapons hitting you
20:29 <krm26> need to get your vaccine from your quest giver
20:30 <krm26> or you can #forge a vaccine from a potion of water and an iron weapon
20:33 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Trt Fem Neu) killed Cerberus, on T:63958
20:33 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Trt Fem Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:64010
20:35 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] lgxia (Rog Hum Mal Cha) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:4753
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20:39 <Umbire> !lastgame 
20:39 <Hecubus> Umbire: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/b/bouquet/evilhack/dumplog/1651276177.evil.html :: [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/U/Umbire/evilhack/dumplog/1651109678.evil.html :: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/m/mightyquinn/evilhack/dumplog/1651093063.evil.html
20:40 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] lgxia (Rog Hum Mal Cha) had a silver scimitar entrusted to him by Kos, on T:5039
20:41 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Kni Elf Fem Cha), 367 points, T:1199, killed by a sea tortle
20:41 <bouquet> krm26: say wat?
20:43 <aosdict> not good enough, we need mRNA iron
20:47 <musicdemon> if I bring a corpse up one level, dump it, then descend and not return to that level for like 5K turns, will it be removed when I go back? I don't recall the behavior of the decay.
20:47 <krm26> i love walking into vecna's first level with sunsword equipped and seeing the wall of Zs
20:47 <krm26> honestly sunsword should warn of vampires even when they are shapechanged tho
20:53 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] ssnufd (Rog Hob Fem Neu) killed the Master Assassin, on T:18413
20:53 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] ssnufd (Rog Hob Fem Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:18413
20:56 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] ssnufd (Rog Hob Fem Neu) completed her quest without incident, on T:18523
20:58 <ssnufd> chat with quest leader after finishing the quest got me "qt_pager: message 90 not found. program in disorder! (saving and reloading may fix this problem)" and reloading didnt fix just fyi k2. he moved off the tile he was on after though
21:03 <K2> hrm
21:03 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] ssnufd (Rog Hob Fem Neu) made her first artifact wish - "blessed fixed the ring of p'hul", on T:18834
21:03 <ssnufd> when you forget you are not chaotic nice
21:04 <krm26> zzzzap
21:04 <Umbire> musicdemon: It should be completely rotted away by then, yes.
21:04 <K2> ssnufd do #conduct - does it show the quest as complete?
21:04 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Kni Elf Fem Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3458
21:04 <ssnufd> yes k2
21:04 <K2> ok good
21:04 <musicdemon> cool, thanks :)  My memory did not deceive me
21:05 <musicdemon> haven't ascended in 9 years. Been playing off-and-on
21:05 <qt> that's weird ssnufd
21:05 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] lgxia (Rog Hum Mal Cha) destroyed bouquet's ghost, the former Pawn, on T:7101
21:08 <K2> there was a recent edit to quest.txt but it was literally one letter
21:08 <K2> no lines were added/deleted
21:09 <K2> message 90 is there...
21:09 <K2> lol oh shit i see it
21:10 <K2> +%E ["You give %o to %l."]
21:10 <K2> %Cc Rog 00090
21:10 <K2> ^ what do you see wrong qt?
21:11 <qt> idk the quest text format that well, is it that the + isn't supposed to be there?
21:11 <K2> yup
21:12 <K2> must have typoed it when i was adding extra content for the quest end changes
21:12 <K2> just checked the entire file, that's the only one thankfully
21:14 <Not-9244> [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/10326f49f411...edfad9ced59c
21:14 <Not-9244> [EvilHack] k21971 edfad9c - Fix: 'qt_pager: message 90 not found. program in disorder!' during Rogue quest.
21:14 <K2> thanks ssnufd
21:14 <ssnufd> for sure man thank you
21:15 <qt> wow, huh
21:16 <qt> you know what, editlevel isn't invalidating saves or bones at all lol
21:17 <K2> you taling about 3.7 qt?
21:17 <K2> *talking
21:17 <qt> because VERSION_COMPATIBILITY is defined (in vanilla it's set to 3.7.0, in evilhack it's set to 0.8.0) which means "all save and bones files from 3.7.0 on are compatible with each other)
21:18 <qt> yeah in vanilla and evilhack as well. try it, make a save, increment editlevel and try to load it. it'll work
21:18 <K2> right. however, there's other changes that do break saves (in 3.7)
21:18 <K2> so instead of incrementing patchlevel, they increment editlevel
21:18 <K2> dunno why
21:19 <qt> whether it's patchlevel or editlevel doesn't matter
21:19 <K2> but yeah if I change editlevel and leave version_compat alone, saves will still work
21:19 <qt> nothing will invalidate saves as long as VERSION_COMPATIBILITY it set
21:19 <K2> um
21:19 <qt> why not just unset it?
21:19 <K2> thats not a true statement
21:20 <K2> there's tons of stuff what will break saves
21:20 <qt> well, yes, but what I mean is nothing will trigger the actual "This save file has a version mismatch" thing
21:20 <K2> right
21:21 <K2> if the only thing you change is the editlevel/patchlevel, and nothing else, and version_compat stays as is, it wont invalidate saves
21:21 <qt> it seems like VERSION_COMPATIBILITY should be unset by default, unless you explicitly want to say "the version has increased, but save and bones files from the previous version are still compatible with this one"
21:21 <qt> I don't know why it's set for both vanilla and evilhack
21:21 <qt> you should just comment it out, that way you won't have to increment it every time you change editlevel or whatever
21:21 <krm26> k2: this @npc priest is swinging an ELVEN SWORD at me, haxxx
21:22 <K2> krm26 cuz he's a dick and hates his deity
21:22 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Inf Ith Mal Una), 3068 points, T:3594, killed by a giant beetle
21:23 <K2> qt, what looks at VERSION_COMPATIBILITY ?
21:23 <K2> if you just comment out that define, wont that break things?
21:23 <qt> no, I'm pretty sure it's designed to be unset most of the time
21:24 <K2> huh
21:24 <qt> the only relevant thing I see is build_savebones_compat_string(mdlib.c) (which looks like it will work if it's undefined) and check_version(version.c) (same)
21:24 <qt> look at the comment above VERSION_COMPATIBILITY: "If two or more successive releases have compatible data files, define this..."
21:25 <qt> so it shouldn't be defined outside of those circumstances, is my read
21:25 <K2> that's weird. because I can recall 2 different times when aosdict would make a new version of xnethack, and forgot to edit version_compat, and new games wouldnt work
21:25 <K2> maybe it was because major/minor had changed
21:26 <qt> i just commented it out and everything seems to work fine, it correctly identifies version mismatches in bones/saves
21:26 <K2> huh
21:26 <qt> i'll email the devteam about it
21:26 <K2> we're toying with forces we dont understand. the balance of power in the universe could be disrupted
21:26 <qt> there's specifically handling in check_version for if VERSION_COMPATIBILITY is undefined
21:26 <qt> I'm pretty sure this is how it's meant to be used
21:27 <K2> i hope you're right
21:27 <K2> that'd be one less thing to have to worry about changing
21:27 <qt> if it's undefined, any version mismatch is a fail. if it's defined, a version mismatch is a fail if the savefile version is earlier than VERSION_COMPATIBILITY
21:27 <qt> i'll let you know what the devteam say, if anything. or maybe they will just comment it out, we'll see
21:28 <K2> thanks
21:29 <musicdemon> I think I was falling prey to some variance in the runs where I couldn't find any eucalyptus, a few days ago. Now, I've found 2 or more early in the last three straight runs, and this time I knew to kick the trees in the Oracle level to get more :)
21:32 <ssnufd> thats a good strat musicdemon
21:33 <krm26> why do you want eucalyptus?
21:33 <musicdemon> the zeds have been ending most of my runs (I'm still new to the variant)
21:34 <krm26> ah -- i try to range them until i have a unihorn generally
21:34 <krm26> or save my prayer
21:35 <krm26> i think it is fairly normal to have access to a unihorn before eucalyptus
21:36 <ssnufd> they get me a lot from shift + direction in a dark corridor, or autotravel
21:38 <Umbire> Hmm, think I risk Ludios and see if I can get an MR amulet there
21:38 <Umbire> Definitely don't wanna go deeper
21:40 <Umbire> oh boy, honey badger and giant soldier busted the doors
21:40 <Umbire> gonna be in for a fight
21:40 <Umbire> and there's the wand of death, right on cue
21:43 <Umbire> death wand soldier down, plugged the entrance with a thrown boulder
21:44 <Umbire> some breathing room, some "time" to think
21:44 <ssnufd> lol nice. can i break a holy water on a tile and bless an item on the ground?
21:44 <ssnufd> still havent found that cancel wand
21:45 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Trt Fem Neu) polymorphed her first object, on T:67826
21:50 <bouquet> are bones ghosts not supposed to pass through walls? I thought they used to.
21:51 <bouquet> I guess this one is sometimes... it seems to favor following the passageways
21:51 <Umbire> depends, where are you
21:54 <krm26> ssnufd: if you can't cancel the cursed boh, your next best bet is dropping everything but a blessed scroll of remove curse or a potion of holy water and trying to pick it up
21:54 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] lgxia (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 7962 points, T:9841, killed by the Goblin King
21:55 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Kni Elf Fem Cha) polymorphed her first object, on T:6525
21:56 <ssnufd> krm26 i got down to 91/900 and figured it wasnt gonna work lol
21:56 <Umbire> If all else fails 
21:57 <Umbire> - as in you can pick it up (with some difficulty) but have no means to uncurse
21:57 <krm26> might as well try 5/900 with a scroll
21:57 <Umbire> - then you can try tipping it
21:57 <krm26> tipping BADDDD
21:57 <Umbire> Yeah, might as well try that at least
21:57 <bouquet> "The gecko of Lugh bites!"
21:58 <krm26> presumably the bag will keep until you find cancellation
21:59 <krm26> if you want you can verify its contents to see how worthwhile they are by looking at the dump of the victim
22:03 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Cav Gia Fem Law), 387 points, T:584, killed by a giant mimic
22:03 <krm26> who was the boh bones and on what dungeon level?
22:04 <K2> ssnufd have you used your rogues stealing skill?
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22:16 <ssnufd> no k2
22:16 <Umbire> maining Cleaver owns
22:16 <Umbire> also tell you what I completely forgot about that skill
22:16 <Umbire> But yeah, can be v. handy 
22:18 <K2> :/
22:19 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Trt Fem Neu) genocided master mind flayers, on T:68144
22:19 <krm26> ssnufd: who left you the boh bones, and on what level?
22:20 <ssnufd> ixgia dark knight with dirge/frost brand on 14, killed by a player monster
22:22 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Cav Gia Fem Law) had Keolewa bestowed upon her by Anu, on T:4589
22:22 <ssnufd> k2 there are a lot of super sweet mechanics/features i haven't played with, a lot of it i just lack creativity or imagination hah
22:24 <Umbire> I think I used it with my ongoing rogue I still have parked
22:24 <Umbire> Just hasn't come up THAT much for me
22:25 <krm26> weird, that username is familiar to me but i don't see a ix, Ix, lx, or even Lx in any of the 3 server userdatas
22:26 <krm26> ah, lgxia you mean
22:27 <krm26> ssnufd, do you want info on the boh contents to help you judge whether to tip it?
22:27 <krm26> if so:
22:27 <krm26> https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/l/lgxia/evilhack/dumplog/1650717822.evil.html
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22:32 <krm26> k2: i just figured out that a single blessed scroll of magic detection lets me figure out the best possible aklys-use of an inventory full of flails and spears
22:34 <K2> \o/
22:36 <ssnufd> sorry got some late night food orders going on, oh thanks krm26! and thats a magic detect scroll is super underused by me as well
22:37 <krm26> i always tend to treat it as a lightweight potion of object detection when its best use is finding object properties
22:43 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Kni Orc Mal Cha), 58791 points, T:15599, killed by a giant priestess of Lugh, while praying
22:43 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Cav Gia Fem Law) had a pair of low boots entrusted to her by Anu, on T:8634
22:47 <terrapin> what causes aligned priests to get angry? I just #chatted with one for protection and they flipped out.
22:47 <Umbire> Were you by chance in an already-converted temple?
22:47 <Umbire> Were they wandering around?
22:48 <ssnufd> !lastgame terrapin
22:48 <Hecubus> ssnufd: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/t/terrapin/evilhack/dumplog/1651266822.evil.html
22:48 <terrapin> nope. they were cross-aligned, but I never sacrificed on their altar. and I'd chatted with them before a couple times with no issue
22:48 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Kni Elf Fem Cha) had a stone battle-axe entrusted to her by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:7961
22:49 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Cav Gia Fem Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:9553
22:49 <krm26> you might have dropped a key and desecrated the altar when trying to chat
22:50 <Umbire> Might also have been Dirge somehow
22:50 <terrapin> how does dropping a key desecrate the altar?
22:51 <terrapin> yeah I can't recall if I was wielding Dirge or my lance the first time I talked with them
22:52 <Umbire> as in you missed an input
22:52 <Umbire> and yeah you had dirge wielded this time around
22:53 <terrapin> oh lol I thought you meant a skeleton key. yeah I suppose it's possible. I've definitely done it before
22:54 <Umbire> might be that you forgot to switch off Dirge before the chat
22:55 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Cav Gia Fem Law), 7351 points, T:10314, poisoned by an orcish arrow
23:05 <Umbire> oh good, horror's back and it can swim
23:05 <Umbire> (breathless, but who's counting)
23:06 <Umbire> fuck it, death wand
23:08 <ssnufd> ohhhh boy got a bouquet bones, immediately as i come down the stairs surrounded by boulders and a 5 on my warning
23:09 <Hecubus> [hdf-au] [evil] Umbire (Bar Gia Fem Cha) killed Croesus, on T:46854
23:09 <ssnufd> centaur knight killed by shambling horror
23:12 <ssnufd> 3d8 claw charm 2d8 touch sleep 3d6 sting charm 5d7 weapon energy drain 3d7 gaze fire 4d6 engulf paralyze
23:12 <Umbire> that'd kill most people I think
23:14 <ssnufd> whats your horror umbire
23:15 <Umbire> moment, brace for text
23:15 <Umbire> Difficulty 15, speed 14, base level 19, base AC -6, magic saving throw 75, weight 20.
23:15 <Umbire> Normally appears in any branch, very rare.                                           
23:15 <Umbire> Resists fire, shock, acid.                                                           
23:15 <Umbire> Leaves no corpse.                                                                    
23:15 <Umbire> Is male, tiny, ungenocideable, breathless, accurate.                                 
23:15 <Umbire> Is not a valid polymorph form.                                                       
23:15 <Umbire> Attacks: 4d8 claw disease, 5d6 weapon acid, 2d8 claw sticky                          
23:16 <ssnufd> eww lol
23:17 <Umbire> right?
23:18 <Umbire> leading with the disease attack is like 70% of the difficulty, other 30% is the sticky following
23:18 <ssnufd> speed 14 too, mine is speed 9 thank god otherwise idk what id do
23:20 <Umbire> I have boulders and a death wand if all else failed
23:20 <Umbire> fails*
23:20 <Umbire> last time I had to tele myself free and then emptied a wand of cold on it
23:20 <ssnufd> and i guess because i encountered bouquet's bones horror first, thats my horror now:(  that's what im about to do i have 2 poly wands im going to go try to polypile for cancel/death
23:20 <Umbire> there was a tortle monk too who I sortakinda lined up
23:21 <Umbire> and first sit poof
23:23 <Umbire> now to liberate his riches
23:24 <ssnufd> lotta consumables from there?
23:25 <ssnufd> ok question, this horror is 1 tile away from being able to attack me on the stairs, if i go back up, and then come back down, does he get to move?
23:26 <ssnufd> i.e. i go back up to prepare and come back down and he moves adjacent that turn
23:26 <K2> it could yeah
23:26 <K2> depends how fast you are and how fast it is
23:27 <K2> so i just kinda messed up...
23:27 <ssnufd> ok thanks k2 probably the worst horror ive seen lol. its speed 9 thank god. from bouquet bones
23:27 <K2> just finished clearing all of the quest levels minus the last one where master kaen is
23:27 <K2> came back up because i'm not ready for kaen yet. converted the altar next to master po, started making sacs
23:28 <K2> i attacked a monster and knocked it back into an abbot
23:28 <K2> which made it angry
23:28 <ssnufd> lol
23:28 <K2> other abbots and master po witnessed it, so they are now also angry
23:28 <K2> i guess i'm gonna murder my quest leader :)
23:29 <Umbire> F
23:29 <K2> lets see how tough master po is
23:30 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Mon Trt Mal Neu), 151314 points, T:31944, killed by Master Po
23:30 <ssnufd> ok how do i look this up like krm did earlier i want to see how bouquet died, theres a scare monster scroll on the ground and a boulder fort lol
23:30 <K2> yup he spanked me
23:30 <ssnufd> damn k2
23:31 <K2> no choice
23:31 <ssnufd> !lastgame k2
23:31 <Hecubus> ssnufd: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/k/k2/evilhack/dumplog/1650809353.evil.html :: [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/k/k2/evilhack/dumplog/1576941662.evil.html :: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/k/k2/evilhack/dumplog/1577469384.evil.html
23:31 <K2> was it bouquet's last game?
23:31 <K2> or an older one?
23:31 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Kni Elf Fem Cha) destroyed coplate's ghost, the former Conjurer, on T:11706
23:33 <ssnufd> i think older
23:33 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Kni Elf Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:11932
23:35 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] ssnufd (Rog Hob Fem Neu) destroyed the invisible bouquet's ghost, the former Mercenary, on T:20080
23:38 <Umbire> wait, can Goblin King leave bones?
23:38 <Umbire> Or no
23:38 <Umbire> Guessing no
23:42 <ssnufd> https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/b/bouquet/evilhack/dumplog/1650915774.evil.html   (i remembered how)
23:52 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Kni Elf Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:14090