00:35 [hdf-us] [evil] gpsalmoncannon (Tou Trt Mal Neu), 1093 points, T:4190, killed by a dwarf king, while hiding in his shell 02:50 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 03:08 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 03:29 -!- mobileuser has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:31 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 03:37 -!- amateurhour has joined #evilhack 04:44 I finally broke into the goblin king prison that has the chest, and all I got was a book :-( 04:44 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Orc Mal Una) became literate by reading The Blacksmith's Cookbook, on T:4384 04:45 yay literate :b 04:50 Neat way to introduce a new feature too 04:56 YANI or YASI depending on ur point of view: caveman crowning gift is spellbook of fireball and they can cast it with 100% success rate if crowned 05:00 guess it doesn't fit evilhack as well as infidel has that gift 05:01 bleh 05:09 Why caveman specifically 05:10 the discovery of fire 05:19 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha), 2887 points, T:4282, killed by a wand, while moving through the air 05:21 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha), 46 points, T:473, killed by a jackal, while fainted from lack of food 05:21 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha), 8 points, T:56, killed by a grid bug 05:23 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha), 55 points, T:532, killed by a kobold 05:25 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha), 263 points, T:513, crunched in the head by an iron ball 05:27 o 05:31 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha), 627 points, T:1151, killed by a hobgoblin 05:33 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha), 120 points, T:727, killed by a fox 05:37 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha), 117 points, T:664, killed by a sewer rat 05:38 -!- Umbire has quit [Killed (tungsten.libera.chat (Nickname regained by services))] 05:38 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 05:41 [hdf-us] [evil] basilikos (Sam Hum Mal Law), 4463 points, T:4722, killed by an elven king 06:07 [hdf-us] [evil] basilikos (Sam Hum Mal Law) destroyed lacca's ghost, the former Jail-bird, on T:3065 06:21 [hdf-us] [evil] lgxia (Arc Hum Mal Law) completed Sokoban, acquiring an amulet of reflection, on T:55363 06:49 [hdf-us] [evil] basilikos (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:6624 07:35 -!- rebatela has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:38 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Trt Fem Neu), 5374 points, T:7859, zombified by a hobbit zombie 07:51 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 07:52 hah, i dropped a key and now i am wielded cursed arrows, which crom apparently thinks is peachy keen and not worth answering a prayer 07:52 !tell mobileuser congrats on Sam! 07:52 mobileuser shall be duly informed at the first opportunity, rebatela. 07:53 . 07:53 mobileuser: Message from rebatela at 2022-04-21 07:52 EDT: congrats on Sam! 07:53 thx! :-) 07:55 [hdf-us] [evil] basilikos (Sam Hum Mal Law), 24919 points, T:10984, killed by a leocrotta 07:56 cursed arrows don't weld to your hand I think? or do they? 07:56 they do 07:56 oof 07:57 which seems a bit cruel 07:57 yeah, the gods consider that a minor problem 07:57 as opposed to 2-handed welded weapons 07:57 [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (humans), on T:1 07:57 [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 0 points, T:1, killed by a scroll of genocide 07:59 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Trt Fem Neu), 515 points, T:1032, killed by a hobgoblin, while praying 08:01 barbarian tortles never getting a decent 2h starting weapon is a bit of a screw 08:01 -!- post163 has joined #evilhack 08:01 !setmintc 2000 08:01 post163: [hdf-eu][hdf-au][hdf-us] Min reported turncount for post163 set to 2000 08:02 -!- post163 has quit [Client Quit] 08:04 but trident is awesome! 08:04 yeah i dont understand krm26's complaint 08:04 plus you get to use a shield 08:04 or twoweapon 08:04 haha different instincts 08:05 can someone remind me what i can wear as a tortle again? I have to wear this toque thing? no boots. i can wear shirt though? 08:05 robe? 08:05 no body armor, no shirt, no cloak 08:05 no boots 08:05 flexible hat 08:05 flexible gloves 08:06 shield, hats/gloves that arent of a hard/rigid material 08:06 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Trt Fem Neu) destroyed the invisible zor's ghost, the former Novice, on T:883 08:06 *arent made 08:06 oh ok cool 08:06 ty 08:06 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/EvilHack#New_player_races <--- scroll down 08:06 but dragonhide helm of speed has been added as an item 08:07 initial large 2h damage is a big benefit of barbarian in early game, that's all 08:07 ah thanks k2 08:07 that's why they are guaranteed a 2h weapon 08:07 just got an early lamp from izchak 08:08 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Wiz Trt Fem Law) killed Juiblex, on T:65864 08:09 I've put the big changes up on the wiki, still more to do though 08:10 mobileuser how was goblin town? fyi there's a chance of a hammer spawning to go along with the blacksmith's cookbook 08:13 i think tortles should be able to wear hard helmets, and they pop off when they enshell and drop on the ground; if cursed, unable to enshell 08:13 i dont like that 08:14 i understand, but it satisfies what passes for game logic :-) 08:14 I dont the player wondering if they can enshell or not, they should just be able to do it. there's only a couple cases where they cant 08:15 K2 goblin town was nice for my orc infidel, acquired some orcish armor. no hammer. 08:15 empty chest :-( 08:15 well the book 08:15 or are you talking about the goblin king chest 08:15 yes 08:16 where's the loot :b 08:16 so you prob picked up his loot. other monsters sometimes raid it lol 08:16 i think we should be able to cover our entire bodies with grease and be able to slip past hostile monsters (displacing them) 08:16 god I really have the best ideas 08:16 its 100 gold, a ring and some rando gems 08:16 ah, I picked up a ring I already had :-) 08:17 :P 08:17 i want to make a couple more minor tweaks to gtown 08:17 K2 I see that for demon infidel, any dragon-scaled armor made of a pliable material will still allow flying. 08:17 and i want to add some recipes to forging 08:17 yes 08:17 Isn't it more logical to restrict that to dragon-scaled jackets? 08:18 you... you want me to make a nerf? 08:18 OR 08:18 allow flying for all non-dragon-scaled pliable armor too 08:18 ^ that 08:18 \o/ 08:19 that is already allowed now? 08:19 the logic - demon infidel uses their claw to cut two slits in their cloth/leather armor 08:19 heh 08:19 ooh nice 08:19 um prob not 08:19 i just made a case for dragon-scaled 08:20 oops 08:20 [hdf-us] [evil] basilikos (Sam Hum Mal Law), 691 points, T:983, zombified by a gnome zombie, while helpless 08:20 bug! 08:20 * K2 runs away 08:20 brave brave sir robin 08:21 emerge from that shell 08:21 [hdf-us] [evil] basilikos (Sam Hum Mal Law), 17 points, T:149, killed by a goblin 08:21 lol 08:21 i also have an idea for cursed wand of invis 08:21 was gonna do that today 08:21 but then pesky mobileuser interfered 08:22 idea - cursed wand of invis makes you visible. so visible in fact, that you'll temporarily aggro monsters 08:22 same effect as cursed invis potion? 08:22 yeah 08:22 that's more convenient 08:22 That would be so great 08:23 great for giants! 08:23 and tortles 08:24 ah right 08:24 no mummy wrapping for tortles either 08:28 cursed wand of invisibility makes gear invisible! 08:28 equipment disappears from map and gui 08:29 oh god no 08:29 unless you have see invis 08:29 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:29 r) (weapon in hand) 08:29 slash'em, grunthack have invisible objects. its a huge pain 08:29 really? i was joking, what is wrong with those guys 08:29 that's one thing I purposely did not carry over from grunthack 08:29 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Wiz Trt Fem Law) killed Dispater, on T:66382 08:29 heh 08:29 it's keeps nymphs from stealing stuff 08:29 woohoo VaderFLAG! 08:30 making good time 08:30 * it 08:30 Misjudging the Merlin mirror kinda slowed me down, feh 08:30 gotta keep it up to get every tortle first ascension done before the end of may 08:30 i need to stop killing off my tortle monks 08:31 last death was on purpose - did a bad, death by hangry priest suicide 08:31 i stole his snickers bar 08:31 someone kept zapping you with poly there too I think? 08:32 i swear *every single time* i get a water demon is summons the second in the first round 08:32 yeah the priest spawned with a poly wand hahah 08:33 .... oh no 08:34 I just realized, I left my lunch out on the kitchen counter at home 08:34 NOOOOO 08:34 happy dog! 08:34 nah dogs are outside 08:34 i think my wife took the rest of the week off, will call 08:35 kiddo has spring break this week 08:44 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Wiz Trt Fem Law) killed Orcus, on T:66672 08:49 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Trt Fem Neu), 4304 points, T:3556, quit 08:53 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Trt Fem Neu), 270 points, T:1103, killed by a magic missile 08:55 must be very annoying to almost never hit anything with dex 10 08:58 hah false 08:58 str has more bearing on to-hit than dex 08:58 K2, tortles can't die from overeating, right? due to magical breathing? 08:58 which is kinda weird 08:59 VaderFLAG correct 08:59 waiiit what 08:59 ah good point 08:59 I wanted to make sure you didn't carve out an exception :) 08:59 :P 09:00 tnnt, count how many times people choke on their food and don't die and have a leaderboard 09:00 my always satiated selfpoly alhoon was vomiting after eating all the time :-) 09:02 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed Aphrodite, on T:3477 09:04 [hdf-us] [evil] basilikos (Sam Hum Mal Law), 2068 points, T:2166, killed by a wand, while moving through the air 09:04 Minor suggestion for reflection spell: if you cast it after the "is starting to fade" message but before it goes away entirely you get the full 250(?) from a fresh cast and not the +?? from a refresh 09:11 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) tasted meat for the first time, by eating a floating eye corpse, on T:4502 09:18 [hdf-us] [evil] basilikos (Sam Hum Mal Law), 767 points, T:1347, killed by a lesser nightmare 09:20 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 6960 points, T:5813, killed by an air elemental of Chih Sung-tzu 09:23 wow, tortle shamans are not funny 09:24 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Trt Fem Neu), 1742 points, T:4745, withered away 09:24 VaderFLAG... hrm 09:27 thinking no. haste self spell uses same method. if spell is not in effect, full amount, otherwise its just a refresh 09:28 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha), 48 points, T:328, killed by a falling rock 09:32 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha), 267 points, T:1050, killed by an iron ball collision 09:34 But haste self gives you the same + every time, reflection doesn't give you +250 each cast 09:34 [hdf-us] [evil] basilikos (Sam Hum Mal Law), 940 points, T:1431, killed by an air elemental of Raijin 09:35 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Mon Trt Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:612 09:36 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha), 4 points, T:9, killed by a fox 09:37 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha), 24 points, T:27, killed by a fox 09:38 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha), 160 points, T:79, killed by a contaminated potion 09:38 yup 09:38 no Dragonbane VaderFLAG? 09:39 This tortle has vowed to only wear his shell as clothing 09:40 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha), 135 points, T:581, killed by a kobold 09:42 i am going to eat every single thing i kill 09:42 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha), 199 points, T:570, killed by a boulder 09:43 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Wiz Trt Fem Law) killed Demogorgon, on T:67589 09:44 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Mon Trt Fem Neu), 2982 points, T:1801, killed by a mountain dwarf 09:44 ah F, stupid gnome wizard 09:44 gg VaderFLAG 09:44 I dunno, plenty of chances for instadeath ahead of me 09:45 did you consider extincting everything 09:45 who is known as Kes in the nethack community again? 09:45 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha), 268 points, T:764, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted brown mold 09:45 antigulp 09:46 [hdf-us] [evil] basilikos (Sam Hum Mal Law), 1603 points, T:2056, killed by a bolt of cold 09:46 ah 09:49 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Con Ith Fem Cha), 1936 points, T:3365, killed by a rope golem 09:49 of course 09:49 died to my own bones again 09:50 [hdf-us] [evil] arnibald (Inf Gia Mal Una), 590 points, T:1224, killed by the Goblin King, while sleeping 09:57 [hdf-us] [evil] arnibald (Inf Gia Fem Una), 525 points, T:1220, killed by a newt, while fainted from lack of food 09:59 [hdf-us] [evil] basilikos (Sam Hum Mal Law), 774 points, T:2035, killed by a wand, while moving through the air 10:05 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Trt Fem Neu), 3332 points, T:5225, killed by a warg 10:16 [hdf-us] [evil] arnibald (Inf Gia Mal Una) used a helm to turn lawful, on T:1046 10:20 can the goblin king branch leave bones? 10:24 ha it would be just constant bones there 10:25 no 10:26 good to know, thx 10:28 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Trt Fem Neu), 1000 points, T:1504, zombified by an elf zombie 10:28 [hdf-us] [evil] zor (Arc Gno Fem Neu), 754 points, T:1217, killed by a brown mold 10:29 What do you want to zap? [f-o or ?*] ? Gee! All of a sudden, you can't see yourself. 10:29 What do you want to zap? [f-o or ?*] h You become visible. 10:29 ^ uncursed then cursed wand of make invis 10:29 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Trt Fem Neu), 110 points, T:409, killed by a bone crossbow bolt 10:30 i dunno, that cursed wand is almost too good 10:30 but wait... there's more 10:30 make it timed, not a toggle :-) 10:30 this is just testing phase 10:31 [hdf-us] [evil] basilikos (Sam Hum Mal Law) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:3190 10:31 wait that is dumb, timed would be even better 10:31 yup 10:31 diarrhea of the fingers, no brain involved 10:31 we all suffer from it from time to time. me esp 10:31 except aosdict, he's perfect 10:31 :P 10:32 omg this gum is cursed. twice now i've bitten the inside of my mouth 10:34 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Wiz Trt Fem Law) wished for "magic marker named Marker II", on T:68488 10:34 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Wiz Trt Fem Law) genocided master mind flayers, on T:68493 10:35 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Wiz Trt Fem Law) genocided mind flayers, on T:68494 10:37 is that gum your lunch? 10:39 krm26 your latest fountain quaff water demon did not summon another water demon! 10:40 oh oops 10:40 A water demon appears in a cloud of brimstone! 10:40 didn't it? 10:40 yeah thought so 10:40 well, at least not on the first turn ;-) 10:40 k2 namechecks me constantly, he wants sole possession of the k 10:43 K2: I'm wary of making wand buc relevant to the magical effect produced since then people will want things like blessed wand of wishing giving a more powerful wish, cursed speed making you slower, and basically making them like scrolls 10:44 in evilhack blessed wands wrest better, which means you already want blessed wishing 10:44 oooh i'm gonna die to this water demon before it summons, i must have embarrassed k2 into changing it 10:44 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Trt Fem Neu), 99 points, T:418, killed by a water demon 10:45 all water demons, all the time, that's my tortle 10:45 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Wiz Trt Fem Law) had Ogresmasher bestowed upon her by Ptah, on T:68641 10:45 imo there should be some about as common way of removing invisibility which doesn't depend on unpredictable factors like magic traps 10:46 eh, magic traps aren't an awful way 10:47 [hdf-us] [evil] basilikos (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:5723 10:48 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Wiz Trt Fem Law) wished for "magic marker named Marker III", on T:68688 10:49 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Trt Fem Neu), 115 points, T:342, killed by a water moccasin 10:52 [hdf-us] [evil] arnibald (Inf Gia Mal Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:1714 10:58 '... since then people will want things like blessed wand of wishing giving a more powerful wish, cursed speed making you slower, and basically making them like scrolls' <--- just say 'no' 10:59 butttt having said that, cursed wand of opening should break locks on normal chests like forcing them does 11:00 and cursed wand of digging should sometimes leave boulders where it destroys rocks (both bad and potentially good behavior) 11:00 no 11:00 ^ aosdict see? 11:00 :P 11:01 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 11:01 heyyyy those two are excellent 11:01 heheh 11:01 here's something to say no to: cursed locking turns normal chests into crystal chests 11:02 and doors into walls 11:02 no 11:02 and seals your mouth shut so you cant eat if you cant knock yourself 11:02 you've been locked! 11:06 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Wiz Trt Fem Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:69121 11:06 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Wiz Trt Fem Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:69124 11:16 [hdf-us] [evil] gpsalmoncannon (Tou Trt Mal Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:3372 11:33 [hdf-us] [evil] lgxia (Arc Hum Mal Law) performed his first genocide (two random monsters from class b), on T:58559 11:35 [hdf-us] [evil] lgxia (Arc Hum Mal Law) genocided gelatinous cubes, on T:58561 11:44 [hdf-us] [evil] gpsalmoncannon (Tou Trt Mal Neu) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:3878 11:46 [hdf-us] [evil] lgxia (Arc Hum Mal Law) had Dragonbane bestowed upon him by Quetzalcoatl, on T:60057 11:46 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Trt Fem Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a wererat, on T:3199 12:04 [hdf-us] [evil] ssnufd (Val Hum Fem Neu) made her first artifact wish - "blessed +3 dragonbane", on T:31560 12:06 [hdf-us] [evil] ssnufd (Val Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed fixed +3 oilskin cloth elven helm", on T:31563 12:07 [hdf-eu] [evil] rebatela (Mon Trt Mal Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:7270 12:14 so i can swim? i haven't tried yet. also dont have paranoid water on (obviously) 12:14 yes 12:14 and breathe underwater 12:14 or more correctly, dont have to breathe 12:24 [hdf-us] [evil] gpsalmoncannon (Tou Trt Mal Neu), 1970 points, T:6217, killed by a bolt of cold 12:28 [hdf-us] [evil] basilikos (Sam Hum Mal Law) completed Sokoban, acquiring an amulet of magic resistance, on T:15743 12:41 dammit work... why you gotta interfere with my nethack time? 12:45 [hdf-us] [evil] gpsalmoncannon (Sam Gia Mal Law), 977 points, T:1181, killed by the Goblin King 12:46 [hdf-us] [evil] ssnufd (Val Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed fixed the eyes of the overworld", on T:31569 12:47 what happened to arahael? :( 12:47 havent seen them playing anything at all for awhile now 12:48 yep, haven't seen them either 12:50 been a few months now 12:52 not just evilhack, but any nethack activity at all 12:52 end of january was last game 12:53 hope he's alright 12:53 [hdf-eu] [evil] davez (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) became literate by reading a book, on T:3003 12:54 [hdf-eu] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law) had a platinum knife entrusted to him by Quetzalcoatl, on T:12597 12:56 [hdf-us] [evil] ssnufd (Val Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed +2 dragonhide speed boots", on T:31710 12:57 [hdf-eu] [evil] davez (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:3320 13:00 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Inf Orc Fem Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:687 13:06 [hdf-eu] [evil] davez (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping a magical hexagonal amulet on an altar, on T:3846 13:07 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Inf Orc Fem Una), 1862 points, T:1661, killed by a flint stone 13:14 [hdf-us] [evil] gpsalmoncannon (Sam Gia Mal Law) made his first wish - "blessed +2 gemstone two-handed sword", on T:1695 13:26 in january arahael said he gave up on nethack because he was learning ASL in VR 13:26 so maybe that interest has just continued 13:27 or took a break from it rather 13:27 [hdf-eu] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law), 16969 points, T:15265, zombified by a gnome zombie 13:29 [hdf-us] [evil] gpsalmoncannon (Sam Gia Mal Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:2702 13:33 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 13:33 [hdf-us] [evil] ssnufd (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:32059 13:38 [hdf-eu] [evil] davez (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 9615 points, T:5850, killed by a white unicorn 13:43 qt thanks. I must have missed that 13:44 [hdf-us] [evil] gpsalmoncannon (Sam Gia Mal Law) eschewed atheism, by dropping a pair of mithril dwarvish boots on an altar, on T:3680 13:59 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) tasted meat for the first time, by eating a giant ant corpse, on T:4226 14:03 [hdf-eu] [evil] davez (Val Gia Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:3787 14:04 [hdf-eu] [evil] davez (Val Gia Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (disenchanters), on T:3809 14:08 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:4951 14:08 [hdf-eu] [evil] davez (Val Gia Fem Neu), 3914 points, T:4130, killed by an elven watch captain 14:10 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 14:11 [hdf-eu] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law) became literate by reading a book, on T:3291 14:14 he was learning american sign language in VR? 14:14 isn't the VR kind of extraneous? 14:15 well, vr is always extraneous 14:18 you're extraneous 14:20 [hdf-us] [evil] gpsalmoncannon (Sam Gia Mal Law) had Snickersnee bestowed upon him by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:5843 14:21 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 2 commits to master [+0/-0/±4] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/7a8460e8beab...4317f91d8f65 14:21 [hdf-eu] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law), 3155 points, T:4072, killed by an ape 14:21 [EvilHack] k21971 4bcc3e7 - Cursed wand of make invisible makes target visible. 14:21 i kinda wish i could rest when enshelled as long as everything kept failing to damage me 14:21 [EvilHack] k21971 4317f91 - Remove non-Knight restrictions for the Magic Mirror of Merlin. 14:22 brb 14:23 I'm sorry K2 14:23 remove the what 14:24 I never thought you'd reverse course on that, honestly 14:24 Sadly it looks like it's just the one restriction, not both of them 14:24 Not sadly really, since giving anyone else double damage would be nuts 14:25 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/4317f91d8f65...1baa54350a93 14:25 [EvilHack] k21971 1baa543 - Remove non-Knight reflection restrictions for the Magic Mirror of Merlin. 14:26 ^ same commit, just edited title 14:26 [hdf-eu] [evil] davez (Val Gia Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:3340 14:26 Let's see if I can ascend before it goes live!@ 14:26 [hdf-eu] [evil] davez (Val Gia Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (disenchanters), on T:3349 14:33 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:7055 14:34 [hdf-us] [evil] gpsalmoncannon (Sam Gia Mal Law), 13077 points, T:6896, burned by molten lava 14:34 !lastgame gpsalmoncannon 14:34 VaderFLAG: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/g/gpsalmoncannon/evilhack/dumplog/1650559532.evil.html 14:38 Hm, I was testing the MC level of the Bag of H, and I get "You are warded" regardless of whether I am holding it or not. It seems to be giving either nothing or armor-style MC? Am I interpreting this right? 14:38 I just assumed it was a +1 like the ring 14:38 [hdf-eu] [evil] davez (Val Gia Fem Neu), 4868 points, T:4083, quit 14:38 [hdf-us] [evil] ssnufd (Val Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed the platinum yendorian express card", on T:32747 14:39 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Trt Fem Neu) destroyed zor's ghost, the former Field Worker, on T:7740 14:40 Ok strange. I have priest protection and bag and ring of protection, and it still says I am warded (MC1)?? 14:41 some sources of MC dont stack 14:41 is how I understand it 14:41 That's right 14:42 ring of protection is supposed to be extrinsic, but it doesn't seem to be anything. I don't know what the goal of the Bag of H was, but if it's intrinsic then it kinda might as well not have it 14:45 It's a real testimony to how opaque parts of nethack can be that I rushed to get the Bag of H several times for that extra +1 protection when it never gave it and I didn't notice! 14:45 [hdf-eu] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law), 2070 points, T:2563, killed by a kobold lord 14:45 it may have 14:45 its the same MC you get from any other artifact that grants it 14:46 MC is a real mess of a thing, all I know is my enlightenment tells me the same thing whether I'm holding it or not -- that I have the first level of MC only 14:46 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Magic_cancellation#Sources 14:47 you can add the Bag and Dramborleg to the list of artifacts it mentions 14:48 Yeah, MC stacking is arbitrary 14:48 but somewhat easy-ish to understand 14:48 (for me at least) 14:48 [hdf-us] [evil] ssnufd (Val Hum Fem Neu) defeated the invisible Kathryn the Ice Queen, on T:33179 14:48 "extrinsic Protection increases mc by 1 (2 for amulet of guarding); multiple sources don't provide multiple increments" is a comment in magic_negation(mhitu.c). the bag gives extrinsic protection, like the ring does, so they don't stack 14:48 but if you only had the bag and no ring it would help 14:49 the confusing part, for me 14:49 is that intrinsic protection is meant to MC1 14:49 the priest protection thing 14:49 I tested no bag, bag + no ring, and ring+bag, and they all give me MC1 14:49 so surely it'd be MC2 from intrinsic protection plus bag? (or plus ring) 14:49 and yet it's not 14:49 confusing! 14:49 That's what I was expecting 14:50 (because yes I do have the 1 from intrisic priest protection) 14:50 it looks like extrinsic protection overrides intrinsic protection from prayer or whatever 14:51 https://github.com/NetHack/NetHack/blob/98eebb97d259932803e57f3414402427ed426bbc/src/mhitu.c#L965-L978 14:51 well that's annoying 14:51 it only helps if you would otherwise have MC0 i guess 14:51 Ugh that's a weird way of doing it 14:51 -!- elenmirie has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:52 Ok this all makes sense then. So this is all only relevant for giants and tortles 14:52 well, the comment says otherwise it would be unbalanced to get +1 MC permanently from prayer, i guess it makes some sense 14:52 basically it just changes your base MC to 1 if you don't have any other source of MC, i guess? 14:52 imo it should be 1 from intrinsic (not plus 1, just 1) 14:52 Maybe, but if the +1 from prayer didn't stack with armor sources, like the wiki says, it would make sense 14:52 then have the +1 from extrinsic 14:53 i agree it's kind of hard to keep track of 14:53 The MC table has intrinsic lumped in with all the wimpy cloak/armor MC1 sources, when it's defintiely not the same 14:53 But again mostly only relevant for giants and tortles 14:54 Waste up a ring slot on protection this whole game thppppt 14:54 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) stole 1676 zorkmids worth of merchandise from Asidonhopo's general store, on T:8527 14:56 [hdf-us] [evil] basilikos (Sam Hum Mal Law), 48986 points, T:17589, killed by an elven lady 14:57 This makes the amulet of guarding worth carrying around for the tortles and giants not using gauntlets of protection 14:57 Since you're not getting above MC1 any other way 15:01 false 15:01 gauntlets of protection 15:01 MC 3 15:01 * VaderFLAG points to the "not using gauntlets of protection" part 15:01 dammit 15:02 i haz teh selective readingz 15:02 I hid the fun stuff there at the end too 15:04 Oh I got vecna's hand earlier 15:04 Creepy as heck 15:04 (speaking of all the awesome stuff in the glove slot) 15:09