00:07 [hdf-us] [evil] mwrynn (Bar Trt Mal Neu) made his first wish - "2 blessed scrolls of genocide", on T:2406 00:10 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Kni Orc Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, acquiring an amulet of magic resistance, on T:11484 00:20 [hdf-us] [evil] lgxia (Arc Hum Mal Law) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:4653 00:25 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Kni Orc Mal Cha) killed Aphrodite, on T:12729 00:37 [hdf-us] [evil] mwrynn (Bar Trt Mal Neu) performed his first genocide (two random monsters from class d), on T:4450 01:10 [hdf-us] [evil] Storm (Cav Hum Fem Neu) had Keolewa bestowed upon her by Ishtar, on T:1271 01:10 -!- terrapin has quit [Quit: Client closed] 01:45 [hdf-us] [evil] Storm (Cav Hum Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:4733 01:46 [hdf-us] [evil] Storm (Cav Hum Fem Neu), 4351 points, T:4847, killed by a warg 01:55 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:00 [hdf-us] [evil] lgxia (Arc Hum Mal Law), 5922 points, T:9726, killed by a quasit 02:15 [hdf-us] [evil] lgxia (Arc Hum Mal Law), 591 points, T:1950, killed by a small mimic 02:50 [hdf-us] [evil] lgxia (Arc Hum Mal Law), 1124 points, T:2458, killed by a rabid dog 03:14 [hdf-us] [evil] lgxia (Arc Hum Mal Law) had a spear entrusted to him by Quetzalcoatl, on T:2270 03:27 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #evilhack 03:27 -!- elenmirie has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:28 -!- elenmirie_ is now known as elenmirie 03:57 [hdf-us] [evil] lgxia (Arc Hum Mal Law), 6132 points, T:5185, killed by a soldier ant 04:29 [hdf-us] [evil] PatchBurns1 (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 521 points, T:1753, killed by a mountain dwarf 04:29 [hdf-us] [evil] lgxia (Arc Hum Mal Law), 1139 points, T:2102, killed by a giant spider 05:24 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 05:33 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Sam Dwa Mal Law) had Sunsword bestowed upon him by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:52409 05:33 woooohoo 06:19 [hdf-us] [evil] lgxia (Arc Hum Mal Law), 3373 points, T:3888, killed by a vrock of Huhetotl 07:07 [hdf-us] [evil] lgxia (Arc Hum Mal Law) had a scimitar entrusted to him by Quetzalcoatl, on T:2587 07:11 [hdf-us] [evil] lgxia (Arc Hum Mal Law), 1159 points, T:2796, killed by a hill orc 07:32 -!- amateurhour has joined #evilhack 07:46 [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 0 points, T:1, killed by a bolt of fire, while sleeping off a magical draught 07:55 [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) murdered her faithful pseudodragon, on T:1 08:13 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Tou Trt Fem Neu) had Frost Brand bestowed upon her by The Lady, on T:65643 08:14 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Sam Dwa Mal Law) wished for "blessed fixed ring of free action", on T:55056 08:15 damn engagement 08:15 the days of leps are numbered 08:22 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Gia Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:26765 08:24 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Sam Dwa Mal Law) killed Cerberus, on T:55149 08:25 [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Hum Fem Cha), 40 points, T:1, caught herself in her own fireball 08:27 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Sam Dwa Mal Law) entered Gehennom, on T:55180 08:30 @e?Cerberus 08:30 Cerberus (d) | Lvl: 27 | Diff: 30 | Spd: 20 | Res: fire sleep poison petrification drain | Confers: fire | MR: 90 | Generates: unique | AC: -7 | Attacks: 3d6 bite physical, 3d6 bite physical, 3d6 bite physical, 3d6 breath fire | Alignment: -7 | Flags: carnivore, thick hide, seeinvis, poisonous, nopoly, infravisible 08:31 I thought cerberus had a chance to confer teleport control? 08:31 he does 08:31 not listed 08:31 not on the wiki 08:31 urban myth? :b 08:32 well, i've gotten it from him once (in like 10 chows), but it was over a year ago 08:32 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Tou Trt Fem Neu) wished for "magic marker", on T:65675 08:32 in-game it confirms he gives teleport control 08:32 just Hecubus doesn't list it 08:32 ah thx! 08:32 @e?tengu 08:32 tengu (i) | Lvl: 6 | Diff: 7 | Spd: 13 | Res: poison | Confers: poison | MR: 30 | Generates: gehennom dungeons | AC: 5 | Attacks: 1d7 bite physical | Alignment: 7 | Flags: genocidable, teleports, stalker, infravisible 08:33 and teleportitis? 08:33 k2: Hecubus doesn't list teleprt control in confers (tengu, Cerberus, etc) 08:33 cerberus does not give teleportitis 08:33 13% fire-or-control 08:33 nice 08:33 time to eat a cerberus tin 08:34 think he is the only corpse form of control with no teleportitis risk 08:34 it's because it's not listed in the monst.c field 08:34 no luck... 08:34 because teleportitis etc are handled by whether the monster has a different flag 08:35 something for Adeon to maybe fix rather than K2 08:35 thx all, TIL 08:49 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Gia Fem Cha) had a spellbook of light given to her by Loki, on T:27918 08:50 thanks loki you ass 08:53 [hdf-us] [evil] lgxia (Arc Hum Mal Law), 1712 points, T:3449, killed by an incubus of Huhetotl, while frozen by a monster's gaze 08:56 look you're dealing with Loki here, you should be glad the book isn't actually a spellbook of incinerate-the-reader disguised as a spellbook of light 09:02 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Sam Dwa Mal Law) had Dragonbane bestowed upon him by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:55877 09:02 yeehaw 09:05 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 09:12 I still have a guaranteed artifact wish left 09:12 too bad you are lawful :-) 09:13 yeah, lawful sucks :-) 09:13 i guess pick up Sunsword if you don't have it 09:13 I got Sunsword from saccing 09:13 one of my sac goals :-) 09:13 Demonbane to lock down summoning? 09:14 magic mirror to give to a pet maybe 09:14 mace is not my strong point 09:14 "to give to a pet" hehe 09:15 spiked barding and magic mirror means you'll have your pegasus an additional 25 turns before it gets turned to stone 09:15 lol 09:15 I've never used riding in any game 09:16 it seems awesome to get free pegasus flight until you realize all the ways the game will use that to kill you 09:18 [hdf-us] [evil] sflicht (Val Gia Fem Neu), 364 points, T:1166, killed by a mountain dwarf 09:25 [hdf-us] [evil] lgxia (Arc Hum Mal Law), 2337 points, T:3267, killed by a killer bee 09:33 [hdf-us] [evil] sflicht (Bar Cen Mal Neu), 1125 points, T:1796, killed by an iguana, while frozen by a monster's gaze 09:36 [hdf-us] [evil] lgxia (Arc Hum Mal Law) had a spear entrusted to him by Quetzalcoatl, on T:1174 09:48 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Tou Trt Fem Neu) killed Cerberus, on T:67942 09:48 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Tou Trt Fem Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:67990 09:59 You say that like we're not already wired to mind where we're riding 10:04 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 10:30 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Con Ith Fem Cha), 427 points, T:1641, killed by a gas spore's explosion 10:32 K2: remind me where in the code evilhack inflicts cold/fire damage to the player just by being on a certain level like gehennom/ice queen realm? 10:34 -!- ssnufd has joined #evilhack 10:34 [hdf-us] [evil] lgxia (Arc Hum Mal Law) made his first wish - "blessed +2 gray dragon scale mail", on T:6428 10:35 I wanna say extern.h? 10:35 If you're looking for what handles the damage specifically 10:35 one sec 10:35 Umbire: extern.h is just a list of all functions used outside the file they appear in 10:36 with the patch, shouldn't that wish from lgxia have been rejected? 10:36 Oh, then trap.c 6157 10:36 K2: debating that system for valk quest lower levels, but otoh I don't really expect anyone to be in the valk quest lower levels without fire res 10:37 allmain.c starting at line 545 is where the effect is called, actual routine lives in trap.c 10:37 Ice Queen boolean specifically starts at ~6139 10:37 in_hell_effects() and in_iceq_effects() 10:37 i cant see his inventory but his ac is 5 maybe it just gave him the scales krm26 10:37 Hell effects is 6093 10:37 er i dont see scales in his inven 10:38 ssnufd player monsters wont get plain scales 10:38 it'll be dragon-scaled armor 10:38 and not until exp level 20ish 10:38 k2 we were talking about ixgias wish 10:38 oh 10:38 maybe a highly stylish dragon-scaled leather jacket 10:38 if a player makes a wsih for dsm, they'll just get the scales instead 10:39 rog 10:39 oh, evilhack went the evil route on those? 10:39 ya i got some red-scaled +1 mithril chain mail 10:40 in xnethack wishing for dsm (rather than scales) just gives you the same response as wishing for any other non-object 10:40 oh nm what I just said 10:40 its what aosdict said 10:40 'nothing fitting that description' etc etc 10:41 so what happened to his wish? livelog just showed the above 10:41 if it was rejected 10:41 <K2> if a player makes a wsih for dsm, they'll just get the scales instead 10:41 K2: wtf is this 'goto false' in in_hell_effects, I doubt that would even compile on some systems 10:42 ssnufd not sure 10:42 Hmmm 10:42 i looked at his inventory didnt see anything except his non magic lamp now hm 10:42 surprised gcc doesn't break it, it would probably break if anything includes stdbool.h at some point in the future 10:42 [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Elf Mal Neu), 0 points, T:1, killed by a system shock 10:43 aosdict there's a ton of goto's in nethack, why is this one any different? 10:43 because 'false' is a keyword 10:43 ah 10:43 easy enough to change that 10:44 also I don't quite understand the point of the nearby infinite for loop that contains a break statement at the end of the loop 10:44 yeah keyword as goto label is even more ungood than goto 10:45 it guarantees it will only run once, so just remove the break and the loop 10:46 Lgxia tried that wish 3 times, got the 'that's enough tries!' and got a lembas wafer instead 10:47 at least they're not an orc 10:47 oh wow k2 lol 10:47 the livelog reports what they tried to wish for, not what they actually received 10:47 gotcha! 10:47 lembas wafers are made with flakes of mithril baked into them, which is one reason they're expensive 10:48 hah 10:48 and deelish 10:48 but if you eat enough mithril you get argyria and turn turquoise 10:48 would be cool to see "was bestoyed a lembas wafer instead" or something 10:49 bestoy <3 10:49 aosdict if you have a better way to do what in_hell_effects() does, I'm all for it. please share 10:49 1. change goto false to just return false, since that's all that that does anyway 10:50 2. remove the for (;;) loop since it only runs once 3. (extra credit) merge in_hell_effects and in_iceq_effects because they're duplicate code 10:52 oooh, teacher is giving extra credit 10:52 heh 10:52 thanks aosdict 10:52 if not doing 3, make the same changes in both functions 10:56 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Gia Fem Cha) had a blessed staff of war entrusted to her by Loki, on T:39455 10:58 ooooomg my mouse is driving me nuts 10:58 left button keeps dbl-clicking on a single press 10:58 i dont think i have a spare... 10:59 one time I took apart a mouse to convert it into a "gaming mouse" - tweak the piece which makes the clicking noise to be silent, allowing me to play games with others sleeping and not bother them 11:01 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Tou Trt Fem Neu) destroyed Kas, on T:69967 11:01 i already took it apart to make sure nothing was out of place 11:01 aosdict that's a good DIY story 11:02 it has a sad ending 11:03 do tell 11:03 then the mouse fell on the floor and broke and I was sad 11:03 oh no 11:04 what other games do you like to play aosdict? 11:05 I don't really play games outside of nethack tournaments nowadays 11:05 <--- same 11:05 I guess I played wordle when it was a hot thing this year 11:05 other than chess 11:05 i'll play a few quick games on lichess.org 11:06 remind myself how far i've fallen :) 11:06 this makes me want to fire up age of empires II 11:06 or command & conquer: generals 11:06 I play minecraft on a cycle. spend most of my free time playing one world for a while, never actually finishing the game because I get bored with the farming needed to win the game and stop playing for months/year or two, by then a new version is out so I make a new world in the new version, repeat 11:07 heh 11:07 my kid is getting into minecraft a lil bit 11:08 a couple of her friends play it, she wants it too on her chromebook 11:09 [hdf-us] [evil] lgxia (Arc Hum Mal Law) had a short sword entrusted to him by Quetzalcoatl, on T:8736 11:09 aosdict your name has always reminded me of a custom wc3 map :) 11:09 what's wc3 11:10 warcraft 3 11:10 makes me think of w3schools 11:10 that was my starcraft 11:10 back in the flash games era I played a bunch of those but now I don't even have flash so I can't run them 11:10 aos was originally aeons of strife, where dota and league and stuff come from 11:11 tower defense, other strategy defense games 11:11 ooh, the creeper world series 11:11 those were good the gem td too 11:11 gemcraft tower defense? 11:11 yes 11:12 I never had a browser session that lasted long enough to go all the way in that 11:13 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Tou Trt Fem Neu) destroyed Vecna, on T:70435 11:13 ooo vaderflag what did he drop 11:13 hand? 11:13 Robe, nothing else 11:13 he always drops hand or i now unless bug 11:13 afaik 11:13 yeah hand or eye... lol WELP 11:14 No magic marker either. sad trombone 11:14 wait 11:14 he didnt drop anything? 11:14 just robe 11:14 wtf... i tested this 11:14 the Robe of Vecna! 11:15 a secret artifact 11:15 What are the object types? It's not something sneaky that would autopickup and need to be idenfied right? I mean, I was looking for the new juicy stuff 11:15 Didn't see anything 11:15 you musta killed that special vecna he made for krm 11:15 hands are gloves, eye is unchanged 11:16 shit yeah he's not dropping either artifact 11:16 uuuuugh 11:16 sorry VaderFLAG 11:16 you're welcome everyone! 11:16 damn 11:17 o7 11:17 It's fine, my tortle is badass enough 11:17 never is *really* close to always 11:19 ok lemme wrap up this in_hell_effects commit, then i'll fix this 11:21 these shambling horrors are going to give me nightmares 11:23 mine were def getting death wands last game, what do yours have? 11:23 didnt do extra credit aosdict :/ 11:23 but commit is done, havent pushed yet 11:23 4d7 kick web, 5d7 kick behead, 5d6 kick eat brains, 3d8 butt rust, 2d7 engulf drown, 3d7 gaze fire; speed 16, resist sleep, can fly, teleport control 11:24 lol damn 11:24 I've won the behead lottery twice now, with ones that have spawned and got a round in on me before I knew they existed 11:25 Oh also mindless so not scarable 11:26 the first one i saw webbed me and stole vorpal blade i had some pause and think action 11:26 Can they roll up with XdY weapon attacks? I've never seen one use a weapon 11:27 oh i didnt even think about if he could equip it lol i just assumed he could 11:27 I mean it is the safe way to go if you're not sure! 11:27 theyre fast too dont give you a lot of time to mess around 11:28 I had one game with a really nasty shambling horror but they also had whatever the stay_hidden flag is so it would just sit in a spot waiting to ambush me and leave me along to walk around it 11:28 ok this is weird 11:28 lol 11:29 sometimes he drops eye/hand, sometimes nothing 11:29 I bet this is left over from the old eye "50%" which was always lower than that 11:30 https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/f697fd9bca00ae89618f71d84912947525d39e5f#diff-77b6126d964949293e18a890985a0678cdd01be1caa254b73a997bedae9a36edR3368 11:30 VaderFLAG did you use sunsword when you killed vecna? 11:31 I was wielding it yes, but killed with magic missile 11:31 ok 11:31 is there code that assumes if you're wielding sunsword it must have delivered the killing blow? 11:33 Tortle POWER: Inventory: 16385/1125 weight (35/52 slots) 11:33 sunsword cant one shot kill vecna like it can undead 11:33 *other undead 11:33 when you said "tortle power" I imagined a turtle on a hamster wheel 11:35 aosdict, artifact.c line 2313 11:36 artifact_hit wouldn't get called if VaderFLAG shot a magic missile 11:37 right 11:37 why are important variables like the chance of instakill just called j and k? 11:37 this was brough over from sporkhack 11:37 *brought 11:38 blaming lorimer only gets you so far 11:38 there's no blame 11:39 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Tou Trt Fem Neu) wished for "magic marker", on T:71023 11:40 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Tou Trt Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (two random monsters from class h), on T:71026 11:40 oops 11:40 this is what i get for genociding so rarely 11:41 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Tou Trt Fem Neu) genocided alhoons, on T:71029 11:41 what did you get from h 11:41 poor dwarves 11:43 if i'm not using sunsword, vecna drops (something) every time 11:45 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Tou Trt Fem Neu) wished for "magic marker named The Easter Bunny Isn't Real", on T:71058 11:45 Yeah, I think it might be an issue of Vecna's drops relying on corpse generation 11:45 Like with Nightmare and Nighthorn - you engulf or disintegrate her and the artifact doesn't spawn 11:46 Vecna's remains probably went up in smoke while wielding Sunsword 11:47 that only happens with zombies 11:48 Yes, PSA you can still get tasty wraith corpses with sunsword 11:48 aosdict, if you're in a morgue, undead corpse gen is a lot less isnt it 11:49 Hm 11:49 Dunno what it could be then 11:52 graveyard 11:52 yup i think i figured it out 11:52 and this was probably happening from the get go 11:52 is that why i have a 5% eye drop :-) 11:54 #define LEVEL_SPECIFIC_NOCORPSE(mdat) \ 11:54 (Is_rogue_level(&u.uz) \ 11:54 || (level.flags.graveyard && is_undead(mdat) && rn2(3))) 11:54 well also, no L ever leave a corpse, right? 11:54 they crumble to dust 11:54 the first vecna level is flagged as a graveyard 11:54 do small shields effect spellcasting if you make em out of mithril? 11:55 was testing there, vecna only dropped things a few times out of several kills 11:55 krm26 you cant make a small shield out of mithril 11:55 its wood 11:56 oh come ON, i cant make it out of dragonhide, i cant make it out mithril, youre killing me 11:56 stone? stone is like wood 11:56 crystal? 11:57 heroin? 11:58 wiki seems to imply small shields can be mithril? 11:58 Default base type wood: 11:58 80% wood 11:58 8% stone 11:58 4% iron 11:58 2% each bone, steel or mithril 11:58 1% each silver or copper 11:58 what i mean is, its base material is wood 11:59 there's no recipe that has small shield anyways 11:59 i mean wishing for a mithril small shield 11:59 srry 12:01 oh 12:01 yeah that's doable 12:01 and yeah the metal will affect spellcasting 12:02 stone it is :-/ 12:05 going to do ice queen when you havent even found boh pretttttty excite 12:05 and where my player monsters at 12:05 :) 12:06 gonna end up being a convict now with a nice ball for me 12:10 think i fixed it 12:10 need to do a couple more tests 12:11 [hdf-us] [evil] ssnufd (Pri Elf Fem Cha) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:31975 12:12 Stone's good and typically nabbable early 12:13 just slightly heavy 12:14 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Tou Trt Fem Neu) polymorphed her first object, on T:71214 12:17 [hdf-us] [evil] lgxia (Arc Hum Mal Law) destroyed krm26's ghost, the former Adept, on T:11973 12:21 well that was a quick way to lose 5 levels...slooow giant with no drain resistance on the first quest level 12:21 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 2 commits to master [+0/-0/±4] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/2eeb412785ac...2fd97d57073a 12:21 [EvilHack] k21971 ef4eb56 - Fix: in_hell_effects() and in_iceq_effects(). 12:22 [EvilHack] k21971 2fd97d5 - Fix: Vecna wasn't always dropping its artifact. 12:23 those commits are live 12:23 if you're about to encounter vecna soon, i'd save/reload 12:24 thanks VaderFLAG for being the unsuspecting guinea pig 12:24 and krm26 you were right, it WAS a conspiracy against you get the eye 12:25 *getting 12:25 i knew it! 12:25 heh 12:26 ok food time, bbl 12:47 [hdf-us] [evil] sflicht (Bar Gia Mal Cha), 163 points, T:909, killed by a small mimic 12:58 Held on to the Dagul figurine for 60k turns, only to use it now...... while I'm holding Demonbane 13:00 [hdf-us] [evil] Storm (Mon Trt Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:3180 13:03 F 13:03 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Tou Trt Fem Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:71621 13:07 ooh, another new person, never seen Storm before 13:10 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Tou Trt Fem Neu) killed Mephistopheles, on T:71801 13:20 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Tou Trt Fem Neu) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:72179 13:28 -!- qt has joined #evilhack 13:30 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Tou Trt Fem Neu) killed the invisible Demogorgon, on T:72656 13:30 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 13:30 you're moving at lightspeed VaderFLAG 13:32 i'm always astounded how i can run out 50k turns and never find, in this case, a towel or a stethoscope or a tinning kit or a can of grease 13:32 think ive seen 4 tinning kits in 32k 13:33 1-2grease, found steth about 30k 13:33 one of those sad stuck characters who can't progress anywhere 13:34 i always sink 10s of thousands of turns into these shmucks like an idiot 13:35 waiting on that big rng thats coming (and it doesnt) 13:35 i always think oh i bet ill find more x or y this game if i dont find a b c never pans out hah 13:36 Now that it's turn 70k I can finally speed things up... 13:38 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Wiz Elf Fem Neu), 6587 points, T:8024, killed by a warg 13:42 -!- terrapin has joined #evilhack 13:46 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Gia Fem Cha) had a blessed pair of leather gauntlets of protection entrusted to her by Loki, on T:49955 13:49 eurgh 50k turns without reflection, just got a third of my hp deathed off of me 13:55 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Gia Fem Cha) had a spellbook of protection given to her by Loki, on T:50218 13:55 [hdf-us] [evil] ssnufd (Pri Elf Fem Cha) defeated Kathryn the Ice Queen, on T:32391 13:56 those g of prot nice gift krm26 13:57 [hdf-us] [evil] ssnufd (Pri Elf Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (antimatter vortices), on T:32401 13:58 [hdf-us] [evil] ssnufd (Pri Elf Fem Cha) genocided disenchanters, on T:32410 14:07 k2: can't get that excited about anything until i find a way to get reflection :-P 14:08 alas, i had so many level wraithed off of me my hopes for dragonbane went down the tubes 14:10 lost my awesome aklys to an antimatter vortex while trying to kill some stuff hidden behind a boulder 14:10 WILL NOT SUCCUMB 14:13 \o/ 14:17 lol 14:18 watched luxidream for 10 seconds, got a headache lol 14:18 oh damn, zruty leapt through my boulder wall 14:18 interrupted my naked nurse time 14:19 its nice to get that time in before monster gen ramps up 14:21 i'm just grasping at straws, this is a trainwreck 14:21 if i'm really lucky an @npc will spawn with an amulet of reflection eventually 14:21 except with my standard luck it will be a priest i can't kill 14:22 ssnufd a couple years ago I hung out with luxidream for a day. we live streamed him playing nethack 14:22 was sitting right next to him, couldnt follow everything he was doing 14:23 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Kni Orc Mal Cha) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:16358 14:23 lol yeah thats some speed 14:31 After an epic battle, I finally killed a dwarf king on dlvl 6. He had a +4 silver dwarvish helm, +4 leather dwarvish cloak, +3 dwarvish boots, and a +4 steel dwarvish roundshield. I call him the "Dwarf Fortress." 14:32 wooo damn 14:32 holy cow 14:32 rng likes that dorf 14:33 *liked 14:33 i love when you cant hit them im like oh baby here comes the loot 14:33 but illiterate was broken so is there really any point in going on? 14:33 or you were rolling a bunch of natural 1's and all they had was a cloak 14:33 lmao yea 14:33 natural 1s are the best in nethack :) 14:34 when playing AD&D do you use that particularly dated rule? 14:34 well yeah 14:34 only noobs play 5e :P 14:35 I guess it would be hard not to use it given that everything is based on it 14:35 and honestly, there's only one edition. the rest are I dont know what 14:35 ^ 1e 14:35 but it's not like the makers of d&d took until 5e to realize that rolling high numbers should be better 14:36 2e has been a bit weird. sometimes you need to roll high for good things, others its low 14:36 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Tou Trt Fem Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:73505 14:36 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Tou Trt Fem Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:73509 14:37 I couldnt find any d&d dice, so I bought some the other day 14:37 they are purdy 14:42 K2 evilhack just got owned on stream 14:42 first player monster peaceful human infidel hm 14:42 positively owned 14:42 they say it sucks, big time 14:44 ok he was loaded lmao all cursed but spellbook of id dragonhide speedboots crystal plate 14:45 nice ssnufd 14:49 are centaurians mithril-averse? I just had a centaurian sergeant "recoil from my mithril Dirge" 14:50 it was a doppelganger if that makes a difference 14:51 if they are i dont see it under their traits on the wiki 14:54 +5 blessed silver athame of frost. i thought the ice queen seemed to be hitting hard 14:55 qt what? 14:55 they were ripping on evilhack on the nethackathon stream 14:56 who is 'they' 14:56 i don't know, i can't recognize people's voices 14:57 it wasn't like they were really dumping on it, people were just saying they don't enjoy it 14:57 sounds like a good positive stream 14:58 imagine enjoying commonalities 14:58 "I play nethack to relax" 14:58 fucking ads 14:58 it was luxidream :) 14:58 and evilhack does not relax him 15:00 heh 15:00 i think aoei or someone else with an english accent chimed in too 15:00 they're all bitches 15:00 they're right 15:00 evilhack does suck 15:01 ikr 15:01 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Tou Trt Fem Neu) wished for "blessed fixed wand of death named Rodneybane", on T:73928 15:02 i am glad most of the community ive come across is inclusive helpful and supportive 15:03 also im confused as hell i have a silver elven chain mail, im an elf, i get 4 ac from it 15:03 it weighs 10 so i was like jackpot 15:04 how hard is it to say "my favorite variants are x y z" instead of "variants g h i suck!" 15:05 nobody said it sucked 15:05 the funny thing is that luxidream started a run in splicehack and it segfaulted :D 15:05 lol 15:05 but it has been a good stream 15:05 [hdf-us] [evil] Celefoombor (Inf Ith Fem Una), 232 points, T:772, killed by a small mimic, while dressing up 15:05 i was just calling it a dis to rile up K2. luxidream is entitled not to enjoy the evilhack vibe 15:06 well, aoei might have said it sucked but I think she was kidding 15:06 yeah it definitely isnt relaxing. you have to you know think and stuff 15:07 xnethack sucks 15:07 ^ have fun reconciling THAT in your holy scriptures 15:07 i must have gotten lucky on that 2 streak the game turned out way harder after those games 15:07 really extremely lucky* 15:08 there are two difficulties of evilhack, non-random-graz'zt and failed-to-ascend 15:08 i was concerned until I found out it was just aoei 15:08 no one gives a shit what she says 15:08 :P 15:09 and of course here's qt the enabler 15:09 causing trouble 15:09 qt the rage inducer 15:09 :D 15:09 hey how come i never find cbus bones in evilhack 15:09 they never dies 15:09 die 15:09 I only played a few runs but got too worked up about price id :D 15:09 both 15:09 lmao 15:10 half my games im running around using the wrong things cause i price id'd wrong 15:10 so I have been speedrunning/streaking vanilla 15:10 but currently on a little break (binging catacomb kids instead) 15:12 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Gia Fem Cha) had a blessed pair of mithril kicking boots entrusted to her by Loki, on T:53932 15:12 goddamit loki 15:12 what is your damage 15:12 so this silver elven chain mail giving me 4 ac as an elf, whats up 15:12 loki told you to kick rocks 15:13 oh look loki you dropped something right...over...there...just bend down a little... 15:13 silver is a softer metal 15:13 ssnufd: should it be more than that? 15:13 i think silver gives worse AC than iron maybe? 15:13 but it hurts silver-haters i guess 15:13 but, watch what happens if a silver hater hits you while you're wearing it 15:13 well for one i should have a racial bonus? also on evilhack page i see 5 ac silver bonus, im getting lower than that 15:14 also, what were you wearing prior? 15:14 if you had a dex bonus, heavy body armor negates that 15:15 hmm this might be one i just dont understand conceptually ill have to wear test everything and manually see the ac bonuses i guess. 15:17 ok so silver is giving 1 ac to that elvish chain mail. i guess all im missing in understanding is my i am getting 3 ac from elven chain mail as an elf i thought there was a racial bonus 15:18 your dex is 20 15:18 which is a massive dex bonus 15:18 BUT if you wear heavy body armor, that bonus goes away 15:18 *ac bonus 15:19 oh god ok ok my bad i see 15:19 i cant even explain how i was misunderstanding that yep 15:19 if i remember correctly, the only metallic body armor that lets you retain dex ac bonus is mithril 15:20 [hdf-us] [evil] Storm (Mon Trt Fem Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a dog, on T:9445 15:20 [hdf-us] [evil] Celefoombor (Con Hum Fem Cha), 436 points, T:1175, killed by an iron ball collision 15:26 heh that backscroll 15:26 speedrunners hating on evilhack :b 15:30 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Tou Trt Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:74414 15:30 its too difficult for them 15:30 ssnufd - see https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/EvilHack#Other_Changes 15:32 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Tou Trt Fem Neu) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:74433 15:34 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Tou Trt Fem Neu) performed the invocation, on T:74445 15:35 k2 to be fair, luxidream did say "I'm sure a lot of work has gone into it" in a pitying way :) 15:35 yeah 15:35 it was mostly aoei 15:35 its her way 15:42 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor (10 times), on T:78839 15:42 [hdf-us] [evil] ssnufd (Pri Elf Fem Cha) killed Medusa, on T:33499 15:44 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) killed the invisible Lolth, on T:78857 15:49 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Tou Trt Fem Neu) killed the elven high priest of Moloch, on T:74647 15:50 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Tou Trt Fem Neu) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:74650 15:50 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Sam Dwa Mal Law) killed the Oracle, on T:57408 15:51 go go VaderFLAG! 15:55 I'm goin I'm goin 15:55 I'm distracted by elron's ascension 15:56 Trying to figure out what they're up to 15:56 ah must have lost the amulet 16:04 If the amulet is underwater, and the Wizard shows up, will he go fetch it for you? 16:04 I assume so 16:04 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Wiz Elf Fem Neu), 363 points, T:1414, killed by a hobbit 16:05 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Hum Fem Cha), 2672288 points, T:79254, quit 16:05 I have no idea what you're talking about :b 16:05 Sorry, was watching elron search desperately on a water level for the amulet 16:05 oooh elron is on the run too 16:05 wow 16:06 all those things happening and I still need to do the dishes :-( 16:08 !lastgame 16:08 K2: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/e/elron/evilhack/dumplog/1625190186.evil.html :: [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/o/omghax/evilhack/dumplog/1649909984.evil.html :: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/N/NetSysFire/evilhack/dumplog/1650207025.evil.html 16:08 elron quit??? 16:08 oof 16:09 Ok so elron is at the level right below the valley of the dead, fights rodney then Lolth, it's very hairy - then goes upstairs to the valley and notices the amulet is gone 16:09 Then spends 2 markers worth of charges to write charging scrolls to charge his wand of cold to freeze the water around where he thinks the fight was 16:09 But it's not showing up on detect treasure 16:09 oooouch 16:09 was prob stolen earlier 16:10 what does "The flames of hell are slowly burning you alive!" mean? 16:10 is this evil specific? 16:10 elron's got at least 5 death wands fully charged but only one cold wand? also no cone of cold or freezing sphere 16:10 it means if you dont have fire res, you take fire damage in gehennom 16:10 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:10 ah nice 16:10 'slowly' means you have at least 50% fire res 16:11 elrons game was salvagable. i've seen players in worse spots refind the AoY 16:11 hell, i've been in that kind of trouble 16:11 :/ 16:12 NetSysFire, early nethack and before it (hack), if you entered hell without fire res, instakill 16:12 ah nice 16:12 evil 16:12 Yeah it was completely salvagable 16:12 every game is salvageable but u gotta have the motivation to continue and sometimes you just can't get it 16:12 i can see why you re-added it 16:13 NetSysFire try selfpoly into vampire... royal pain in hell ;-) 16:13 you can take a small amount of cold damage in the ice queens realm without cold res, same mechanic 16:13 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 16:13 mobileuser: why? 16:13 K2: whats the message for this? 16:13 vampire is vulnerable to fire 16:14 'freezing to death' 16:14 yeah but its not the fires of hell 16:14 ? 16:14 no because you're hot in hell 16:14 *not 16:14 "the ice queens brilliance freezes you to death" 16:14 or what is it what makes you freeze? 16:14 the cold 16:15 BUT WHAT CAUSES THE COLD 16:15 ICE 16:15 the ice queens realm 16:15 but what causes the ice queens realm??? 16:15 jesus 16:15 ? 16:15 Too many Frozen viewings? 16:15 frozen dinner 16:15 ah that's it 16:16 I blame Frozen 16:16 ozzy left the freezer door open 16:16 really time for dishes now 16:16 i've made some updates to the wiki, you can see the race/role combos for tortle now 16:17 you know what would be great in the wiki, too? the bit older updates to the shields, e.g shining shield and so on 16:17 yeah it would 16:18 but its work! 16:18 good thing the wiki is public and anyone can edit it 16:18 * NetSysFire puts on a ring of invisibility 16:18 heheh 16:18 hey, i am already an archwiki maintainer! 16:19 [hdf-us] [evil] ssnufd (Pri Elf Fem Cha) wished for "blessed +3 dragonhide t-shirt of decay", on T:34065 16:20 ssnufd: YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO WISH FOR IT GREASED 16:20 muahaha 16:20 nooice 16:20 Oh no is greasy t-shirts a thing now? 16:25 -!- screamingskull has joined #evilhack 16:25 it always was 16:25 i am just mad at people not wishing for the FREE GREASE 16:26 its free! it could save your life! it looks cool (and greasy)! why not get it? 16:26 [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 0 points, T:1, killed by a bolt of cold 16:37 But I get sad if they wish for totally unnecessary grease NetSysFire 16:37 dilemma 16:37 its never unnecessary! 16:38 is so! 16:38 what if a nymph or succubus makes you undress but your t-shirt is still there and then something tries to choke you! 16:38 chaotic has master key for half phys, do they have a half magic damage? 16:38 whenever someone wishes for a greased ring I imagine it pulling a One Ring and slipping off 16:38 also the extra grease doesnt add any extra weight or other disadvantages mobileuser 16:39 embrace the grease 16:39 showering is bad because you miss out on free grease!! 16:39 it's unnecessary and I hate it 16:39 ssnufd hmm i dont think so. however, angelslayer imparts half magic damage 16:39 its unaligned 16:39 when wielded or carried? 16:39 wielded 16:40 wielded of course 16:40 i love angelslayer, especially when i can dual wield it 16:40 not of course K2 ;-) 16:40 :P 16:40 there was a bug O:3 16:40 once 16:40 many many moons ago 16:40 wow it just snowed briefly. easter snow 16:41 weather here this year smh 16:42 !whereis VaderFLAG 16:42 mobileuser: VaderFLAG is not playing. 16:42 can chaotics use idol of moloch? it has half magic 16:42 fairly sure they can 16:43 yes they can 16:43 its considered chaotic for other roles 16:43 forgot about that one 16:43 tinning kit industries - yes we can! 16:43 oh nice one terrapin 16:46 [hdf-us] [evil] ssnufd (Pri Elf Fem Cha) wished for "blessed the master key of thievery", on T:34081 16:46 oh wait should i have greased 16:47 lol 16:47 : ))))))) 16:47 * K2 gasps 16:47 how dare you not grease it! 16:47 lol 16:47 or fix it? 16:47 can it rust? 16:47 i thought it was fixed cause arti 16:47 I don't think so... 16:47 nope 16:48 oh god bless it well im glad i know now damn 16:49 [hdf-us] [evil] ssnufd (Pri Elf Fem Cha) wished for "blessed fixed +3 oilskin cloth elven helm", on T:34081 16:52 yeah i think artifacts are only automatically fixed when you get them from a sacrifice 16:52 are QAs fixed when you get them from the quest? 16:53 whats interesting you say that qt i got demonbane as first priest gauranteed sac, and its not fixed 16:53 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Tou Trt Fem Neu) entered the Planes, on T:76363 16:53 qt yes 16:53 isn't demonbane some funky material like silver? 16:53 yes 16:53 or maybe it was and got unfixed, oh or that 16:53 [hdf-eu] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law), 5830 points, T:6825, killed by a soldier ant 16:54 only things that can actually corrode show up as 'fixed' in inventory, even if they have the "this item is fixed" flag set internally 16:54 Artifacts are only fixed when gifted 16:54 (in vanilla) 16:54 what about QAs when you get them from the quest Umbire? 16:54 Nope 16:54 k2 is that what you were saying yes to? or to my "only from sacrifice" thing? 16:55 If I recall, you had to manually rustproof Sceptre of Might, for example 16:55 May have been changed in Evil, for all I know 16:55 I don't think I've ever actually used a weapon/armor QA in vanilla 16:55 the QA bit 16:57 Demonbane should have been displayed as proofed when gifted, but the bit is still set I surmise so 16:58 no 16:58 its already made of a material that doesnt erode 16:58 there's nothing to 'fix' 17:00 not even mitre of holiness or staff of asdkjfalkscus qt? 17:00 Evil silver doesn't corrode eh? 17:00 oh yeah I have used the staff of aesculapius 17:00 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Tou Trt Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:76470 17:00 i've never played priest tbh 17:00 i should try it sometime, magicbymccauley says it's the most powerful role in nethack I think 17:01 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Sam Dwa Mal Law) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:57739 17:01 yeah K2 I think umbire's right, even in evilhack the QA isn't automatically fixed 17:02 I wanna play Priest Quest: Dark Days 17:03 who doesn't? unfortunately it's only available to Windows users :( 17:03 omg that "variant" 17:03 reading the engravings from the strings in the savefile was tantalizing 17:03 i wish I could play it 17:03 same 17:04 wish it could be recreated for other architectures, sadly no one has 20 years to spend getting everything right 17:05 hmm lemme check 17:05 i wish someone with a windows pc would stream it 17:05 that would be awesome 17:05 i'd watch that for sure 17:05 I spent a bit of time before I got bored trying to recompile nh343 with json saves 17:05 but couldn't get the save to load even recompiling clean nh343 17:05 couldn't figure out the right compiler and config 17:06 I'm sure if I spent more time on it I'd be able to figure it out but energy and motivation dropped 17:06 qt, the quest leader will 'fix' your quest artifact for you upon completion 17:07 see quest.c line 363 17:07 oh 17:07 that's only in evilhack right? 17:07 they'll even remove any erosion that may have happened to it 17:07 yeah 17:08 sporkhack too i think 17:10 I think they start fixed in dnh 17:10 rather than quest leader fixing 17:10 can't remember 17:10 figured as much 17:10 thanks for info k2 17:11 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Tou Trt Fem Neu) killed Famine, on T:76734 17:11 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Tou Trt Fem Neu) killed the saddled Black Horse, on T:76734 17:14 oh snap 17:14 we about to see the first tortle ascension? 17:14 fingers crossed 17:15 i'm sad its not you amateurhour 17:15 Fittingly a tourist 17:15 new race - amateurhour 17:15 Probably, my gal is a beefy tortle 17:15 Unless a shambling horror shows up 17:17 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Tou Trt Fem Neu), 6370656 points, T:76774, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/V/VaderFLAG/evilhack/dumplog/1649981698.evil.html 17:17 congrats VaderFLAG! 17:17 gratz!! 17:17 geeg 17:17 The Tortle AC situation is pretty well-balanced I think 17:18 I enshelled once, in the castle, to heal up during a tough fight 17:18 \o/ 17:18 congrats! 17:18 congrats VaderFLAG :-) 17:19 F - an uncursed +0 Hawaiian shirt with a sailboat motif named Twoflower Memorial Shirt (weapon in claw) 17:19 https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/V/VaderFLAG/evilhack/dumplog/1649981698.evil.html <--- look at the tab in your browser 17:19 I didn't want to kill Twoflower. So I didn't, my dragon ate him. I never did get over it 17:20 Wait a second, that tab has MY NAME on it! 17:20 \o/ 17:20 [hdf-eu] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:3145 17:20 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Gno Fem Cha), 33 points, T:38, killed by a goblin 17:21 VaderFLAG you were wearing an amulet of magic res... the EotA gives that too ya know 17:21 Probably wanted to be able to bag it 17:21 Prevent theft 17:21 or is there a reason i'm not seeing 17:22 theft? 17:22 Rodney yo, steals QAs? 17:22 they dont have to be worn 17:22 EotA does for the MR specifically doesn't it? 17:23 might not be his reason but it's a reason 17:23 yeah 17:23 Eyes and PYEC both have it, but I cannot abide having stealable MR 17:23 the tortle abides 17:24 Tourists are so much fun 17:24 [hdf-eu] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law) became literate by reading The Blacksmith's Cookbook, on T:3513 17:24 One of my favorite classes... even though I get so many of them killed 17:25 Also a fave 17:25 Oh shit, illiterate's gonna force recipe memorization 17:25 I get sad playing a strong early game role in evilhack idk how I'd cope with a weak one lol 17:26 just play better 4Head 17:26 Ok so dumb question - I read the blacksmith book and it referenced recipes... but I didn't see any. How do you view them? 17:26 read it again 17:26 Do I just need to read it again? 17:26 Derp 17:26 lol 17:26 or look at /dat/tribute if you don't want to play chapter roulette 17:26 What I say to my kid all the time - oh you just need to read it again! 17:26 in other news this xnh monk is pissing me off 17:27 so many locked doors so early 17:35 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Gno Fem Cha), 1584 points, T:1429, killed by a sea tortle 17:35 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Gno Fem Cha) murdered her faithful pseudodragon, on T:3 17:36 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Sam Dwa Mal Law) defeated the invisible Kathryn the Ice Queen, on T:58144 17:38 first tortle kill! 17:49 [hdf-us] [evil] Storm (Mon Trt Fem Neu) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:11437 17:49 [hdf-us] [evil] Storm (Mon Trt Fem Neu), 18438 points, T:11438, quit 17:52 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 17:53 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Gno Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:2658 17:53 dragon-scaled armor system is up on the wiki for evilhack 17:55 !lastgame storm 17:55 VaderFLAG: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/S/Storm/evilhack/dumplog/1650213261.evil.html 17:55 that looked like a weaponless monk rage quit 17:55 It's always the pick-axe 17:55 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Cav Gia Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:37894 17:55 VaderFLAG so tell me - how was tortle 17:55 dont hold back 17:56 better hold back VaderFLAG 17:57 K2 is touchy today after evilhack was completely trashed on the stream 17:57 haha 17:58 I quite like it, It feels like a well-balanced race on the more difficult end of the options. 17:58 how much time did you spend hiding in your shell? 17:58 Very little, I only hid once in the castle 17:59 But most of this was before the patch that made people ignore turtleshelled critters 17:59 there's like 2 dozen updates to the initial tortle commit 17:59 heh 17:59 The low speed is definitely the most challenging part 18:00 qt stop spreading your lies you jezebel 18:00 VaderFLAG i'm glad you enjoyed it 18:00 K2 is the curse weapon change part of .8? 18:00 i'm proud to be jezebel. all hail baal 18:00 curse weapon? 18:01 The effect of attacking with a cursed weapon 18:01 no, its present in 0.7.1 18:01 it hits u in the face sometimes 18:01 Oh I guess I just never had that happen before .8 18:01 it wont happen for infidels though 18:01 blessed weapons should do that to them 18:01 typical infidel favouritism in EVILhack 18:02 My only tortle feedback right now is they should have infravision. Low visibility underwater, should have good eyes 18:02 yeah good vis in water is on the to-do 18:02 good luck 18:02 I bet the code for vision underwater is hairy af 18:02 it's not hairy exactly 18:02 yeah not looking forward to it 18:02 it just doesn't use vision code at all 18:03 I didn't end up going in the water once, heh 18:03 not even in water plane? 18:03 Can't risk water in the bag! 18:03 i still want to make a side branch that's underwater themed 18:03 the actual vision code is complicated, the underwater vision code is just "show whatever is within 1 square of you if it's a water square" 18:03 can't remember if they were made waterproof? 18:03 they werent 18:03 trying to change or expand that is going to be a mess 18:04 yeah qt that does sound pretty whack 18:04 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Thoth, on T:1549 18:04 Yeah, elron back in the saddle! 18:04 I wonder if ndnh did anything for that yet, it has an optional branch that's underwater where you collect gillyweed to breathe underwater 18:04 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Gno Fem Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:4076 18:04 \o/ 18:06 idea - pitch to paxed that the eyes of the overworld should give extended vision whilst underwater 18:06 so then its a devteam issue 18:06 then steal solution 18:06 great idea 18:06 well, the eyes of the overworld wouldn't be complicated 18:06 because you don't need to worry about things blocking your vision 18:07 but wearing the EotO dont work underwater 18:07 they are no better than normal vision 18:07 i think making them work would be way easier than making real underwater vision, with obstacles, light blocking, etc, work 18:07 so the logic is, fix one, can fix the other 18:07 hmm 18:07 adding underwater _x-ray_ vision is probably like 5 lines of code 18:07 oooh do it 18:08 * K2 starts jumping up and down 18:12 it is left as an exercise for the K2 to figure out which 5 lines of code 18:12 ^ evil 18:12 ^ hack 18:12 ^ 4lyfe 18:13 does evilhack have hilite peacefuls at all? 18:13 no, just pets 18:13 ah right I thought I was just being blind when looking at the options 18:14 Not rage quit.    no rage involved 18:14 calmquit 18:14 just like monk wepaonless 18:14 fell like i've died if i hit with weapon 18:14 I would do the exact same but with lots of frowning and forehead wrinkles 18:16 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Gno Fem Cha), 3754 points, T:5694, killed by a salamander 18:17 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) became literate by reading a book, on T:3230 18:17 -!- screamingskull has quit [Quit: Client closed] 18:17 K2: https://termbin.com/s6y7 18:17 i wont quit, i'll just let myself die and not defend myself 18:18 -!- screamingskull has joined #evilhack 18:19 qt nice 18:19 that's not literally ready to go, e.g. it doesn't redraw the surrounding area based on your newly-limited vision when you remove the Eyes underwater 18:19 but should give you a sense of how it's not that complicated 18:20 yup 18:20 this is 9 lines, not the 5 you promised 18:20 i still expect to only be charged for the 5 18:22 whatever happened to the shield bashing idea 18:22 its also still a to-do 18:23 glad you brought that up 18:23 it is probably a false positive, but Firefox/Malwarbytes blocks termbin saying there always saying  there is a Trojan 18:23 oh wow really? 18:23 interesting!    iwas going to suggest shield bash 18:23 screamingskull yeah we discussed it once several months ago 18:24 enchantment affects damage output, also the larger the shield the more damage 18:24 would be neat to see shield skill leveling, but that may be hard to code? 18:24 That would be neat 18:24 Might have to steal from dnh at least a little 18:25 I know they have a shield skill 18:25 dunno about bashing so much 18:25 interesting 18:25 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 3651 points, T:4257, killed by a dust vortex 18:25 i wonder why it would block termbin, maybe someone hosted something malicious on there in the past? 18:26 i don't see how could do something malicious other than just deliver text files people host 18:26 hello 18:26 Hello rebatela, Welcome to #evilhack 18:26 !tell vaderFLAG Congrats! :) 18:26 I'm on it, rebatela. 18:26 oh congrats vaderflag :) 18:27 is someone playing a tortle monk? 18:27 -!- screamingskull has quit [Quit: Client closed] 18:27 -!- screamingskull has joined #evilhack 18:28 731 maxhp damn 18:29 NetHack needs tower shields! 18:29 screamingskull I can't remember which variant it is that has shield skill giving extra ac 18:29 but it's kinda OP because you can stand in a cupboard having a weak monster hit you over and over and then get a lot of ac for free 18:29 Yeah it was really overkill rebatela 18:29 VaderFLAG: Message from rebatela at 2022-04-17 18:26 EDT: Congrats! :) 18:29 amateurhour I think nethack fourk does 18:30 i recall it having armor/shield skill 18:30 i'd get a 2nd opinion though 18:30 or was it it fiqhack 18:30 or maybe both 18:30 i like having hp 18:35 i have a game on the old vresion i need to finish but might just quit 18:35 so i started a game on eu 18:35 but now i want to play tortle 18:35 I have two old games parked 18:35 australia has lag for me i think 18:35 haven't tried in a while though 18:36 vaderflag: did you wish for dragonbane and the eye ? 18:36 or did you get dragonbane from altar? 18:37 Altar 18:37 i like to have them both but it can be hard dependin g on wishes 18:37 yeah nice 18:37 Spent a lot of time at the altar that game 18:37 that's ideal 18:37 and my strategy these days 18:38 you had a bunch of artifacts ;) 18:39 oh i see so the problem with tortle is getting mr/reflection? 18:39 you could have worn the eye for mr? 18:39 Amulet of MR 18:39 it was the bomb when you just had to carry it 18:39 i know 18:39 having MR stolen is less than ideal 18:39 oh i see rodney and all 18:40 yeah 18:40 i do the same thing 18:40 it's just been a while 18:40 what are the advantages of tortle? Is there somthing i can read about it? 18:40 (sorry if ive asked this) 18:41 it's on the wiki now 18:42 tortle is definitely the most challenging race for sure 18:44 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Gia Fem Cha) had a blessed heavy war hammer entrusted to her by Loki, on T:54952 18:45 Dirge should cut through iron bars, imo 18:47 just have it be % of chance with strikes to iron bars with 'F' 18:47 yeah 18:48 Right, I forgot 18:48 re: cursed geno, are the resulting monsters always hostile in vanilla? 18:48 feel like they are 18:50 Dirge should cut through iron bars, imo <--- cool idea 18:51 food time, bbl 18:58 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 2616 points, T:2846, killed by a lynx 19:08 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) permanently converted to lawful, on T:1358 19:09 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Gia Fem Cha) had a spellbook of blank paper given to her by Loki, on T:57326 19:10 yay, third blank paper gift! thx loki! 19:10 i'll never get reflection but i can swaddle myself in blank pieces of parchment 19:10 [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 0 points, T:1, killed by a bolt of fire 19:11 f it, gonna go get drained to death on the priest quest 19:13 You can #turn wraiths y'know 19:13 Garlic also wards off the undead p. reliably 19:13 YASI: garlic bread to ward off the undead while also being delicious 19:15 some forges are bread ovens then 19:16 blank spellbook gift!? 19:16 yes sir, i've gotten three marvelous blank spellbooks, what a DEAL 19:17 max luck really pays off for me 19:17 Blank book for a marker, great gift for wizards in particular 19:17 perhaps it's a reminder that our life is a blank book and we are the authors 19:17 nope 19:17 awful gift 19:17 you can manufacture blank spellbooks with 0 effort from all the dross 19:18 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Wiz Trt Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:3648 19:23 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Kni Orc Mal Cha), 129783 points, T:25519, killed by an orange dragon, while sleeping 19:23 terrapin not playing as a tortle? 19:24 that's like amateurhour playing like a pro 19:24 ah rip just seen the death :( 19:24 haha good point 19:29 [hdf-us] [evil] ssnufd (Pri Elf Fem Cha) killed the invisible Nalzok, on T:34840 19:30 I need to resume my game before I forget what I was doing 19:31 [hdf-us] [evil] ssnufd (Pri Elf Fem Cha) killed Lolth, on T:34847 19:32 -!- amateurhour has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:33 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Wiz Trt Fem Neu) destroyed mightyquinn's ghost, the former Investigator, on T:5019 19:48 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Mon Trt Mal Neu) destroyed elron's ghost, the former Thaumaturge, on T:17946 19:48 magicbane is here 19:48 alas, I am a weaponless monk 19:50 use it as a walking stick 19:52 then you can do the gandalf routine of "surely you would not have an old man lay aside his walking stick?" 19:55 -!- terrapin has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:57 heh 19:57 [hdf-us] [evil] ssnufd (Pri Elf Fem Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:34852 20:00 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:3778 20:00 [hdf-us] [evil] ssnufd (Pri Elf Fem Cha) refused to give up The Mitre of Holiness to the Arch Priest, on T:34921 20:01 [hdf-us] [evil] ssnufd (Pri Elf Fem Cha) killed the Arch Priest, on T:34927 20:01 tortle monk is *fun* 20:02 ugh, level 20 priest with +5 demonbane, 0 hits out of 100 swings on this npc 20:03 kill it with kindness 20:09 [hdf-us] [evil] qt (Arc Trt Mal Law), 1182 points, T:2189, killed by a giant mimic 20:10 k2 can you add that thing where if you press f while wielding an aklys and having nothing in quiver you throw it? 20:10 does the arch quest arti do that 20:11 i had it for like 5 seconds one game dont remember 20:11 do what? 20:11 i thought there was always the tiniest chance of hitting but i give up. i have this thing penned in with boulders and i could throw an aklys at it a thousand times and never hit it 20:13 throw it, since it returns like the aklys 20:14 oh but i guess its return is conditional so you wouldnt want that 20:20 qt i dont think so 20:22 yeah, I do not understand the player monsters.  I had +6/7 weapon at skilled/expert and could not kill something       really does not make sense 20:22 yeah, i know, monsters are funny that way 20:23 wish i had probing or a stethoscope so i could see just how insane its ac is 20:24 k2 you don't think what? you don't think you want to add it? 20:24 oh sorry 20:24 i read it as 'do you have' 20:24 yeah i can add it 20:25 [hdf-us] [evil] qt (Arc Trt Mal Law) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3487 20:25 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 5203 points, T:6912, poisoned by a bone orcish arrow 20:25 [hdf-us] [evil] qt (Arc Trt Mal Law), 2567 points, T:3789, killed by the Goblin King 20:26 K2 yes, I usually do not 'calmquit' myself.   i usually try to get killed   even when scumming wizards to get the start I want with equipment, I try to come up with creative ways to die and do not #quit or go up the stairs 20:26 That would be a great change 20:26 (the f aklys thing) 20:27 qt that is a good suggestion.   I was adjusting my aklys to inventory letter 't' to make it easier.  that would be even better 20:27 I put it on 't' too :) 20:27 You try to move the boulder, but in vain. However, you can squeeze yourself into a small opening. 20:27 ^ just did that as a tortle 20:27 bwahahah 20:27 hard shells are known for being squeezable 20:27 i bet there's an S_LIZARD case for that 20:28 or something 20:28 seems its shell should not be able to squuueeeze 20:28 tortles are MZ_LARGE 20:28 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 35 points, T:250, killed by a jackal 20:29 k2 isn't it just based on how much inventory weight you're carrying? 20:29 cripes if only i could starve this @npc to death 20:30 i thought it was inventory ... you have to have nothing 20:30 !whereis krm26 20:30 VaderFLAG: [hdf-us] krm26 [evil]: (Pri Gia Fem Cha) T:60305 The Gnomish Mines level: 7 20:30 Don't have drain life? 20:30 Nope, not a single offensive spell but sleep 20:30 have you looked at my position? 20:30 tortle idea: monks come with a "magical toque" that acts as a robe. For any other races/roles it does not act in this manner. similar to cornuthaum not doing what it does for a wizard 20:31 I haven't, will in a sec 20:31 it is pretty funny 20:31 uh oh 20:31 krm26 ^ 20:31 sorry to hear about your aklus 20:31 haha, got him trapped, I love it 20:31 it isn't the first aklys i've wasted on him 20:31 like 300 misses in a row 20:32 what's his AC? 20:32 who knows 20:32 no probing, no stethoscope 20:32 no REFLECTION 20:32 this game is really breaking my balls 20:32 Leave him alone until you have drain life 20:32 He's not going anywhere 20:32 shit where's my bag 20:32 he. has. my. reflection. 20:32 what role/race is he? 20:32 lmao 20:32 Well you're not getting it back anytime soon 20:32 centaur valkyrie 20:33 well, he has HIS reflection, which SHOULD be MY reflection 20:33 oo havent seen one of those yet 20:33 bah 20:33 barter with her, offer her the ring of phul for it 20:33 I love what you've done with that level 20:33 i've been bored out of my mind 20:33 whew found it 20:34 blocked every which way 20:34 VaderFLAG which level? 20:34 tried to sacrifice my way out but can't get anything but blank spellbooks 20:34 krm's orctown 20:34 he's talking about my orctown stash 20:34 hah 20:34 with its npc boulder pen 20:36 K2: zombies can't do the illness bite thing if you're in your shell? 20:36 correct 20:36 cant bite your head if your head is tucked away in your shell 20:36 that's neat. does it prevent just the illness or the bite itself? 20:36 the bite itself 20:36 so if you're facing a zombie and hide in your shell you become invincible? 20:36 same for flayer tentacle attack 20:37 no, it could still land regular hits 20:37 oh i thought the only attack zombies have is a bite 20:37 and i dont have very many turns left 20:37 zombies have claw attacks also 20:39 I DID 20:39 I'M NOT ASHAMED 20:39 -!- terrapin has joined #evilhack 20:39 so tortles starting with an oilskin sack is a random possibility?  or, was this just very recently added? 20:39 yes and yes 20:40 tortles were recently added :B 20:40 I was playing around with water in the Mines earlier today and was having issues with rust.... 20:40 what's the oilskin sack thing though 20:40 arcs or? 20:40 chance you can start the game with an oilskin sack if tortle 20:40 free dive 20:40 for any race? or if you would start with a normal sack it replaces it? 20:41 no just tortle 20:41 any role* 20:41 any role yes 20:41 does a tortle archeologist get a normal sack plus an oilskin sack? 20:41 they could yeah 20:42 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 598 points, T:1529, killed by the Goblin King 20:42 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Wiz Trt Mal Neu), 1108 points, T:3710, killed by a piranha 20:42 the issue with rust stemming from forgetfulness and carelessness 20:43 ic 20:44 [hdf-us] [evil] qt (Arc Trt Fem Law), 305 points, T:680, killed by a gnome lord, while hiding in her shell 20:44 !lastgame qt 20:44 qt: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/q/qt/evilhack/dumplog/1650242531.evil.html 20:44 punches in the soft part :c 20:44 punched* 20:45 as a player i;='d never be able to hit -41 20:45 not with that attitude 20:45 :B 20:46 k2 you use ` for the boulder glyph? 20:46 damn 20:47 that's wild 20:48 Didn't get an answer earlier 20:49 K2: if tortles can't squeeze past boulders does that break any assumptions anywhere in the vein of "even if the player gets themselves stuck with boulders (e.g. in sokoban), they'll be able to squeeze out" 20:49 rev-geno'd monsters are always hostile right? 20:49 That's a good question 20:50 i was wondering that too aosdict 20:50 i'm making an assumption that anything larger than MZ_MEDIUM cant squeeze past a boulder 20:50 also yeah, is a good question 20:50 next up: tortles all gain the monk ability to punch through boulders 20:50 feel like it'd fall into the same case as centaurs possibly? 20:50 but I think evilhack already breaks some assumptions like that (e.g. generating disconnected stairs in mines) 20:50 complete shot in the dark here 20:51 but i'm not sure 20:51 qt: they're perfectly connected, just gotta take a dip in the drink now and then 4Head 20:51 so it may be just breaking further what's already been broken lol 20:51 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Wiz Trt Fem Neu) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Thoth, on T:10339 20:57 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) polymorphed her first object, on T:3005 20:57 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:3015 20:58 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Wiz Trt Fem Neu) destroyed the invisible lgxia's ghost, the former Investigator, on T:10636 20:58 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Wiz Elf Fem Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:6743 20:58 [hdf-us] [evil] qt (Arc Trt Fem Law), 341 points, T:528, killed by a rock gnome 20:59 brb 21:04 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Wiz Elf Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:7322 21:05 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Val Cen Fem Neu), 926 points, T:1099, killed by the Goblin King 21:05 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3989 21:09 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 2999 points, T:4626, killed by a platinum crossbow bolt 21:24 -!- screamingskull has quit [Quit: Client closed] 21:34 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:35 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Wiz Elf Fem Neu), 12017 points, T:10148, killed by a tiger 21:38 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:4006 21:48 I hate that chameleons can become alhoons so so much 21:57 -!- screamingskull has joined #evilhack 22:01 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Arc Trt Mal Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:4053 22:03 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Arc Trt Mal Neu), 2811 points, T:4259, killed by a wand, while moving through the air 22:04 [hdf-us] [evil] Storm (Mon Trt Fem Neu), 835 points, T:982, killed by the Goblin King 22:11 [hdf-us] [evil] Storm (Mon Trt Fem Neu), 821 points, T:1174, killed by the Goblin King 22:13 [hdf-us] [evil] Storm (Wiz Trt Fem Neu), 97 points, T:254, killed by a stone orcish dagger 22:18 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Wiz Trt Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, acquiring a magic marker, on T:18715 22:22 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Mon Trt Fem Neu), 2212 points, T:1834, killed by a wolf, while hiding in her shell 22:29 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:6770 22:33 while hiding in her shell cool livelog 22:35 i also noticed if your god gives you the passtune it shows up in ctrl+o dungeon overview 22:37 11-15% "you know light quite well already" is honestly ridiculous i know its from vanilla 22:44 I agree. . . should allow you to read it 22:44 does it take from the reading count of the book, though? 22:45 surely not lol 22:45 maybe it was older verrsions that did?? 22:45 already bad enough i have to tote these books to where im going because i know im going to forget the spells by the time i get there lol 22:45 even though you have EotA,  I waste a lot of time going back and forth to stash to read spellbooks 22:45 and tose damned things are heavy! 22:46 i wish i had eota, i have master key and some scrolls 22:46 i was going to generalize with spellcasters and say,  even if you are a wizard . . . 22:47 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed Aphrodite, on T:9134 22:47 oh i see hah. well now i really wish i had it lol keep levelporting the wrong level :) 22:50 very unlucky that would do it 22:50 whoa.... what did _you_ do? 22:50 i am guessing that happened after i killed the quest leader 22:50 ah, yes 23:03 can you wish for a stone shield of light? 23:08 no 23:09 that an only gold situation? 23:09 shields of reflection/light/mobility are all metallic in nature 23:09 ah 23:09 mithril is your best choice for weight, silver if you want to do damage if your shield blocks a silver hater 23:09 i saw this Reflectable objects (shields of reflection and amulets): on the wiki i shoulda figured 23:15 an illithid can geno alhoons, right? I am not an alhoon, so . . . ?   I know are a LOT less scary for a illithid, but they can still be a pain 23:15 just  no blessed geno scrolls 23:15 that could be YASD 23:19 [hdf-us] [evil] ScreamingSkull (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) genocided two random monsters from class L, on T:91238 23:19 So . . . VECNA LIVES! 23:19 [even though I destroyed him?] 23:24 ? 23:25 "You are not permitted to genocide Vecna." 23:31 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Mon Trt Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, acquiring a silver amulet of magic resistance, on T:26253 23:31 hmm 23:32 oh that 23:32 you're fine 23:39 [hdf-us] [evil] ssnufd (Pri Elf Fem Cha) killed Cerberus, on T:37687 23:40 [hdf-us] [evil] ssnufd (Pri Elf Fem Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:37693 23:48 Oh, I know.... it was more of a "haha" than inquiry 23:49 also, should it really even say that after he's destroyed? 23:49 yeah be cool if it was like "With Vecna no more.. you wipe out all master liches!" 23:49 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:50 it aught (ought?) to say "Vecna is already destroyed!" 23:50 That would be ideal!   Something stating that they can be 23:51 ideal  your suggestion {not my previous statement} 23:56 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 23:56 [hdf-us] [evil] ssnufd (Pri Elf Fem Cha) killed Baphomet, on T:37844