00:01 [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law), 4592 points, T:4507, killed by a giant priestess of Susanowo 00:02 [hdf-eu] [evil] omghax (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 0 points, T:3, killed by trying to drink molten lava 00:03 !who 00:03 K2: [hdf-us] ssnufd [evil] :: [hdf-eu] omghax [evil] :: [hdf-au] No current players 00:03 !whereis omghax 00:03 K2: [hdf-eu] omghax [evil]: (Ran Elf Fem Cha) T:1 The Dungeons of Doom level: 1 00:03 [hdf-eu] [evil] omghax (Ran Elf Fem Cha), 24 points, T:7, killed by a falling object 00:20 !who 00:20 K2: [hdf-us] ssnufd [evil] lgxia [evil] :: [hdf-eu] No current players :: [hdf-au] omghax [evil] 00:20 !whereis omghax 00:20 K2: [hdf-au] omghax [evil]: (Sam Gia Mal Law) T:2 The Dungeons of Doom level: 1 00:20 [hdf-au] [evil] omghax (Sam Gia Mal Law), 0 points, T:17, killed by a jackal 00:22 -!- K2 changed the topic on #evilhack to: EvilHack: a NetHack variant ¤ https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack ¤ public irc logs available at hardfought.org ¤ version 0.8.0 availble for public play on #hardfought ¤ see https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/EvilHack for gameplay information ¤ Bug tracker and future development ideas - https://www.hardfought.org/etherpad/p/EvilHack 00:23 omg so tired 00:23 gnite everyone 00:28 gnite! 01:10 -!- ssnufd has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:29 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:42 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 02:48 -!- elenmirie has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:48 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 02:50 sup yall 02:53 thanks k2 02:56 heh I am not going to play 2 games at the same time 03:02 goblin king 03:02 wtf 03:03 yeah i gotta finish my other game i don't know what im doin but there are stairs i can't go down and it's intriguing 03:03 sorry for spoilers. you guys know more than me. i'm way out the loop 03:06 yeah, you need to find a portal to the goblin king first :-) 03:06 https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/7829e667eec8aa393821ada29c38b5160845c3e7 03:13 [hdf-eu] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping 12 mithril darts on an altar, on T:3186 03:15 thank you ;) 03:17 magic marker sounds nice 03:17 ive been going for tool lately in sokoban anyway if i don't have boh 03:18 I like K2's extremely literal interpretation of "This branch is purely optional" :b 03:19 right but the mines are optional themselves. but most people check out minetown at least for lamps. even speedrun 03:20 I'm thinking more of the luckstone 03:20 yeah but also tools armor 03:20 i always do it 03:20 and the luckstone obviously 03:23 rebatela you know that a monk can be a tortle? 03:24 hehe i do now 03:24 i will play it 03:24 i just hit e and it went with my config 03:25 Dexterity is capped at 10, oof 03:28 oh i think i am dead 03:28 dug down to a bunch of ogres lol 03:29 oh no and now big room 03:29 fml 03:30 dig for victory 03:30 [hdf-eu] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 3820 points, T:3866, fell into a pit 03:30 F that game too hard. i'm going back to the old one 03:30 oh i tried to dfv lol 03:31 it's 330am here 03:31 the first real 0.8 game \o/ 03:31 (omghax doesn't count) 03:32 oh i quit a game too when i didn't see the cursed message and put on a -3 helmet at like turn 10 03:32 that was my very first game. i knew i was in trouble 03:32 pet stepped on the thing 03:32 right away 03:32 i didn't read the message though 03:32 it was the reluctant thing 03:33 the scoreboard maybe thinks that's a scummed game... 03:33 yeah it is. it was like first room 03:33 i think under 100 turns or something is scummed not sure the cutoff 03:33 i need to read up on tortle i think before i play 03:34 can't i just play a human neutral mon k really fast and skip any new optional stuff and ascend? 03:35 people in the US are likely sleeping 03:35 did he announce that it was dropping tonight? 03:39 yeah 03:40 he was very busy yesterday getting it ready 03:40 yay, you're on the scoreboard! 03:41 man... i've been seeing this new girl and she is surprised that i don't play "video games". i've tried to explain this but i definitely do play a video game. lol . just not playstation or whatever. way better. literally all i play though. used to be vanilla and now evil 03:41 fun to play it with y'all 03:53 i should be playing giant like i was in the old game 03:53 * rebatela is used to picking up boulders... 04:01 so if the lamp doesn't work it's a cursed magic lamp? 04:01 i feel like i picked up on that at some point but it seems like an easy give away. or do the oil lamps do that too? 04:08 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Pri Ith Fem Cha), 636 points, T:1544, killed by a kobold zombie, while fainted from lack of food 04:12 depends what you mean by "doesn't work" 04:14 a cursed oil lamp sometimes refuses to work, but you can keep trying 04:15 a cursed magic lamp will spread darkness instead of light 04:17 oooh K2 released that new version 04:18 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Pri Ith Fem Cha), 1115 points, T:5048, zombified by a hobbit zombie, while helpless 04:22 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Pri Ith Fem Cha), 775 points, T:2090, zombified by an orc zombie, while helpless 04:26 i know but when a cursed oil lamp eventually works it gives light 04:26 so if it doesn't... 04:26 exactly :-) 04:29 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Pri Ith Fem Cha), 399 points, T:1402, zombified by a kobold zombie, while helpless 04:30 ZOMBIES ARE STILL OVERPOWERED 04:32 PIRANHAS TOO 04:32 ya pirahnhas are ridiculosu 04:32 you know what i mean 04:32 434 04:32 heh 04:32 instadeath. sometimes there's nothing you can do 04:33 warning is so huge 04:33 you actual europeans playing on the europe server have likely slept. unfair advantage 04:35 where are you again? mobileuser? east of me? 04:35 6 hours i think 04:36 UK 04:36 so 5? 04:36 9:36 04:36 right 04:37 it's been warm here. beautiful sunrises. i'm actually happy to be up right now 04:37 (boston) 04:37 usually cold and rainy this time of year 04:37 sounds nice! 04:37 cold and rainy here :-) 04:38 i'm going to run the marathon monday 04:38 well... 04:38 run is a subjective word 04:39 i know i can walk it 04:39 i ran a 6 minute mile ONCE and never tried to again 04:39 some people do that shit in 5 or 4 or whtaever. thats nuts 04:39 saw a lot of people training today 04:40 <---- doesn't reallly run marathons 04:43 yeah stick to a brisk walk and enjoy, oof! 04:44 i always went and watched as a kid. when that terrorist attack happened here it was WILD. but if you're a martathon runner, it is the race to run. 04:44 crazy hills and shit 05:19 -!- amateurhour has joined #evilhack 05:37 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Con Orc Mal Cha), 21070 points, T:25142, killed by a white unicorn 05:40 rip 05:40 i should die in my old game first too 05:41 no lag on EU though. all is good 05:42 mobileuser: you should start an 8.0 game on the US server 05:42 ( iknow i know 0.8) 05:42 it's fun playing two games 05:44 dark mines with this apparently cursed magic lamp kinda blows 05:55 i keep running to sokoban. i think i'm scared of the goblin king 05:58 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Cav Gia Fem Law), 624 points, T:1267, killed by the Goblin King 05:58 now we're talking 05:58 !lastgame 05:58 rebatela: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/G/Gutso/evilhack/dumplog/1649929853.evil.html :: [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/o/omghax/evilhack/dumplog/1649909984.evil.html :: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/N/NetSysFire/evilhack/dumplog/1649924829.evil.html 05:59 much better than falling in your own pit... 06:01 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Cav Gia Fem Law) had a mithril dwarvish spear entrusted to her by Anu, on T:641 06:02 * rebatela watches Gutso's game 06:04 i don't usually altar camp on DL1 but i also don't usually get an altar next to the upstair of the dungeon. maybe i would! 06:06 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Cav Gia Fem Law) had Keolewa bestowed upon her by Anu, on T:3988 06:06 link to the new stuff? spoil me. umbire get on that wiki please thanks. i have the link somewhere actually 06:08 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Cav Gia Fem Law) had a pair of cloth water walking boots entrusted to her by Anu, on T:4580 06:10 sea tortle wtf 06:11 i have stethosocpe though sweet 06:12 [hdf-eu] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3855 06:14 -!- johhnyknoxville has joined #evilhack 06:14 -!- johhnyknoxville has quit [Client Quit] 06:14 -!- johnnyknoxville has joined #evilhack 06:15 -!- johnnyknoxville has quit [Client Quit] 06:19 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Cav Gia Fem Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:7598 06:23 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Cav Gia Fem Law) became literate by reading the fortune inside a cookie, on T:8310 06:31 Gutso has taken revenge! 06:32 amateurhour you can play tortle monk now! 06:44 [hdf-us] [evil] lgxia (Val Hum Fem Law) became literate by engraving "E", on T:4910 07:17 what cant tortles wear? 07:17 shirt, armor? can they wear cloaks? 07:20 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Trt Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed greased +3 dragonhide speed boots", on T:277 07:20 well fffffff 07:20 so much for this run :-) 07:20 tortles can only wear hats and gloves? 07:33 rebatela: I hate running to the point I know I'm not going to run a marathon, but I used to live on heartbreak hill 07:33 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Trt Fem Neu), 426 points, T:993, killed by the Goblin King 07:34 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Trt Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed greased +3 dragonbane", on T:6 07:37 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 07:41 [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Hob Mal Neu), 174 points, T:220, killed by a system shock 07:44 lol wtf krm26 all these early wishes 07:46 fountain scumming? 07:46 nope 07:46 i did quit after my boots wish 07:46 afaik tortles can wear hats and gloves and that's it? 07:46 and shields 07:46 man that is extremely limiting 07:47 they have a giant shell 07:47 well, yay? 07:47 that goblin king took me apart 07:47 natural 0 AC 07:47 brb 07:47 there is a price to be paid 07:47 bleargh ac, i want resists 07:48 and Gutso defeated the goblin king on their second try ;-) 07:51 found a huge armor store -- not a single piece usable by a tortle 07:52 this is the way 07:52 the frustrations of giant and centaur combined 07:54 crap too much stuff in the mines is friendly, gonna starve 07:56 its not murder if its necessary to survive* 07:56 *i am not a lawyer 07:56 ooh, gated from 3rd mines level, crud 07:57 goblin king portal always on mines stairs level? 07:57 heh mobileuser I fell asleep a few mins before your message, yay tortle 07:59 fell asleep? dedicated tortle role playing already ;-) 08:01 TORTLE TIME 08:01 krm26 the commit just says "dungeon levels two or three" 08:03 Any class restrictions on tortles? 08:03 sorry ROLE 08:03 YES tortle tourist 08:04 was there a change for readable hawaiian shell?? 08:04 is that real?? 08:05 Tortle tourists start with a toque instead 08:05 Which I cannot read 08:05 so not ONLY restricted to gloves/helm but have to wear a cloth or leather helm huh 08:05 I see a wish for oilskin toque in my future 08:06 haha 10 dex cap, damn 08:06 yup :-) 08:06 I don't rly get the dex cap 08:06 that is pretty severe 08:06 doesn't make sense 08:06 also, slow 08:06 can GoD still bring it above that? 08:07 yes 08:07 yeah it's just the racial max 08:07 but but but dragonbane ;-) 08:07 I don't see the command listed in the tortle commit, how do you hide in your shell? 08:07 [hdf-eu] [evil] amateurhour (Mon Cen Mal Cha), 3121 points, T:1713, quit 08:07 this race is going to be awful to try to ascend 08:07 Speed 8 is gonna be a killer 08:07 I think #monster ? 08:08 -40AC! wowzers 08:08 oh and you're blind, of course 08:08 Well at least at speed 8 leashing your pet isn't a big problem 08:09 [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Hob Mal Neu) murdered his faithful pseudodragon, on T:1 08:09 [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Hob Mal Neu), 40 points, T:1, killed by a scroll of earth 08:09 Does tortle unarmed claw do extra damage, or is the message just for flavor? 08:10 yeah, ascension is facilitated by high speed and full suite of resists, with ac normally in the stratosphere. with the tortle you'll be slow, missing resists, and with barely adequate ac 08:10 but in return, you'll have a shell it will be certain death to retreat into :-) 08:10 Female Neutral Tourist Turtle - turtle power! 08:10 *tortle *tortle 08:10 heh 08:10 heroes in a half shell - tortle power! 08:11 I should be able to lay eggs 08:11 I vaguely remember an egg discussion here 08:11 there is insufficient sand 08:11 and also lack of a baby tortle monster 08:11 ah thx aosdict 08:13 [hdf-eu] [evil] amateurhour (Mon Trt Mal Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:773 08:13 \o/ 08:13 goblin king! 08:13 mine town unlocked 08:14 ooh, first goblin king this was an empty room, but this time there is a general store in goblinland? 08:14 [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Hob Fem Neu), 187 points, T:620, killed by a giant leech 08:14 yeah, chance of general store 08:14 where is it in there? 08:14 10% chance of magic marker 08:16 Blacksmith's Cookbook! 08:16 cmon, giving me giant mimics on xp1 and dl2? not cool 08:16 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Trt Fem Neu) became literate by reading The Blacksmith's Cookbook, on T:3262 08:17 sorry, large mimic 08:17 evil! evil! 08:17 backscroll aosdict: did you really live on hearbreak? newton i'm next town over waltham 08:18 hoyl backscrolll. thisi si gonna tak ea bit 08:19 krm26: how did you wish? smoky healing potions? 08:19 i'm gonna scum for that 08:21 [hdf-eu] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 4921 points, T:4369, killed by a panther 08:22 oh boy 08:22 !lastgame 08:22 rebatela: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/p/post163/evilhack/dumplog/1649938270.evil.html :: [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/o/omghax/evilhack/dumplog/1649909984.evil.html :: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/r/rebatela/evilhack/dumplog/1649922181.evil.html 08:22 panthers are freaking BUFFED in 8.0 08:24 Ok but are the goblin war party sounds I'm hearing the sounds of WAR or the sounds of a PARTY 08:24 and is there a difference to a goblin 08:29 definitely playing giant when i die. i keep forgetting to change .rc 08:32 can't remember, do tortles have swimming? 08:32 and magical breathing, allegedly 08:32 went underwater but turbulence got me so I guess they don't rly have swimming 08:32 tortles have been around forever man! how do you not know this? 08:33 isn't ac meant to be improving with xlvl? my ac is stuck at -4 08:35 -4 aint bad 08:35 watch out for polytraps i am watching your game and feeling my robe getting ripped any moment lol 08:36 can't wear robes :) 08:36 amateurhour no their ac doesnt get better as they gain levels 08:36 tortles have intrinsic swimming and magical breathing 08:36 oh yeah i didn't know what race you are. are you a tortle? 08:36 (answering backscroll questions) 08:37 dex is capped at 10... i dont see anyone being very nimble with a giant shell on their back 08:37 str and wis is higher than normal though 08:38 2 goblin king kills already hah 08:38 giant dex is capped at 14 i can't imagine 10 08:38 but i'm sure it's worth it 08:39 the shop in goblin town, sometimes its abandoned 08:40 -!- ssnufd has joined #evilhack 08:42 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Tou Trt Fem Neu), 399 points, T:1996, killed by a giant rat, while praying 08:43 [hdf-eu] [evil] amateurhour (Mon Trt Mal Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:4255 08:43 @e?thoth amon 08:43 Thoth Amon (@) | Lvl: 16 | Diff: 22 | Spd: 12 | Res: poison petrification | Confers: nothing | MR: 10 | Generates: unique | AC: 0 | Attacks: 1d6 weapon physical, 0d0 cast spell, 0d0 cast spell, 1d4 claw amulet steal | Alignment: -14 | Flags: omnivore, nopoly, stalker, covetous, infravisible 08:47 i need to do the reddit release post 08:53 when you think of it, would like feedback (good and bad) on the new stuff, like goblin town/goblin king, tortle race, etc 08:54 goblin town is ok, little disappointed that tortle doesnt get ac from xlvl on top of 10 dex cap because it seems like being kicked in the nuts twice 08:55 I wish their swimming wasn't affected by turbulance 08:55 I tactically swam in the mines for a sec and it turns out that was a mistake 08:55 was expecting 1 round of water damage but ended up with like 4 because the water moved a bit funny 08:55 I wish their swimming wasn't affected by turbulance <--- it shouldn't be, oversight on my part 08:56 was cool being underwater though 08:56 I remember discussing potential ac increase as they level up, the conversation kinda died without a set 'yeah lets do this' 08:56 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Wiz Trt Fem Neu), 373 points, T:559, killed by a gnome lady 08:57 I gotta have another nap I'm still exhausted 08:57 i wonder if there's a way to increase their vision distance underwater as well 08:57 did the mines and got to sokoban and then the tireds 08:58 heh 08:58 nappy nap time 09:02 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Bar Trt Fem Neu), 515 points, T:399, killed by the Goblin King 09:06 maybe make it so that tortle inventory never suffers any water damage when under water? 09:07 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Tou Trt Fem Neu), 2304 points, T:2952, killed by the Goblin King 09:07 Oh ok so he's quite hard 09:08 like the waterproof property in dnethack 09:09 hrm 09:09 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Bar Trt Fem Neu), 491 points, T:519, killed by a giant cockroach 09:09 wait. tortles have to take naps? 09:09 oh IRL... nevermind 09:09 haha! 09:09 excellent role playing 09:09 i REALLY need to "nap" ;) 09:10 mobileuser, tortles already have free intrinsic magical breathing. giving the ability to somehow keep all their open inventory dry as they go for a swim is quite the stretch 09:10 i dont see that happening 09:11 however, comma 09:11 heh 09:11 maybe give a % chance that they start with an oilskin sack, kinda like how dorfs have a chance to start with a pick-axe 09:11 nice 09:13 I should probably save the reddit 'official' release announcement for tonight/tomorrow. hash out initial things that need to be tweaked :P 09:14 giants have YUGE advantages to compensate for their inability to wear cloak/body armor/shirt. I'm not yet feeling that yet with what I read about tortle I have to admit. 09:14 do #monster 09:14 enjoy your extra 40 of ac and half phys damage 09:14 I know, but then what 09:14 chill 09:15 regen hp while that pack of wolves cant touch you 09:15 I'll be interested to see what the scenarios for that working are 09:15 A pack of rats touched me real good while tortled 09:15 I would have been better off with bag access and panic scroll reading 09:15 yeah there's always a random chance a hit will land 09:15 but with ac that low, damage would be hardly anything 09:16 escape scroll needs to be in open inventory? 09:16 i tested out a lvl 1 tortle in its shell vs a minotaur. actually lasted a fair amount of turns 09:16 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Tou Trt Fem Neu), 442 points, T:859, killed by a boulder 09:17 bah 09:17 Tried to bounce the boulder off my shell, didn't work! 09:17 mobileuser, context? 09:19 !who 09:19 K2: [hdf-us] ssnufd [evil] VaderFLAG [evil] nabru [evil] :: [hdf-au] No current players :: [hdf-eu] No current players 09:22 sorry I don't know how it works, you can't use your bag while in your shell? 09:22 Oh - yes, right, can't apply anything 09:22 so therefore my question 09:22 no, you can't hardly anything while in your shell 09:22 I got into some wererat trouble 09:22 *do 09:22 Had a bag with a bunch of unid'd scrolls in it 09:22 Instead of turtling up I should have started reading them 09:22 your arms, legs and head are tucked away inside your shell 09:23 can you reda an escape scroll in open inventory? 09:23 * read 09:23 no - your arms, legs and head are tucked away inside your shell 09:23 that was the context 09:23 gotcha 09:23 you can drop stuff though 09:23 can't even read 09:23 ok 09:23 you can exit your shell whenever you want (do #monster again) 09:23 do magic? 09:24 no. you're hiding in your shell 09:25 so this is only useful if your regen rate is higher than the damage monsters are doing to you 09:26 or you have a pet archon or something 09:26 ah good point 09:27 it'll be up to you all to discover what's useful and what isnt. i'm sure i havent thought out every scenario 09:27 be aware, tortles get hungerless regen at exp level 12 09:27 Ok so I just had another runin with a werecreature 09:27 or maybe if you have conflict 09:27 xp2, 15hp - I hid at the end of a corridor and let my pet slowly kill all the stuff 09:28 was regening slightly faster than whatever it was was biting me 09:28 found the water turbulence bit. testing stuff before i commit 09:28 So enshelling can be quite nice if you're not surrounded 09:28 lol pet killed enough summoned jackals to become a large cat 09:28 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Bar Trt Fem Neu), 2511 points, T:3387, killed by a wolf 09:29 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Tou Trt Fem Neu), 271 points, T:1010, poisoned by a rotted jackal corpse, while praying 09:29 The Lady didn't want to save me from food poisoning :( 09:29 i disagree that giants have "huge" advantages 09:29 boulders 09:29 everything else sucks 09:30 although boulders is pretty huge i suppose 09:30 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Tou Trt Fem Neu), 11 points, T:58, killed by a fox 09:31 wtf who dies to a fox 09:31 That fox rolled a string of nat20s for the ages 09:32 yes, boulders are huge 09:32 hahah 09:33 I wonder if tortles should have infravision 09:34 they dont in d&d as far asI could tell 09:34 rebatela giants can't get engulfed 09:34 YUGE 09:35 What's their deal, are they oceandwellers, or any non-saltwater body, or just live near the water? 09:35 rebatela giants can't fall through trap doors 09:35 they can easily climb out of pits 09:35 VaderFLAG - https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Tortle 09:36 Oh no, why is it all in past tense, was there a tortle genocide? This is making me sad 09:36 lol 09:36 no idea why its past tense 09:37 Where's my extra beak attack! 09:37 :P 09:39 rebatela giants have faster HP growth 09:39 etc :b 09:41 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 09:41 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 09:41 ah shit what I was afraid of 09:42 disconnect and now I will probably have to wait half an hour before I can play again 09:43 yup I'm shown as playing 09:43 gotta wait for the timeout 09:43 or i can recover it 09:43 yeah but this is going to happen quite a lot ;-) 09:44 will just have to be patient 09:44 [hdf-eu] [evil] amateurhour (Mon Trt Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, acquiring a silver amulet of magic resistance, on T:9020 09:45 !who 09:45 K2: [hdf-us] ssnufd [evil] nabru [evil] VaderFLAG [evil] :: [hdf-au] No current players :: [hdf-eu] mobileuser [evil] amateurhour [evil] 09:45 [hdf-eu] [evil] amateurhour (Mon Trt Mal Neu) became literate by reading a book, on T:9116 09:45 game recovered mobileuser 09:45 thx! 09:45 \o/ 09:45 if giants were easy people would play them lol 09:46 I never said that 09:47 hehe. i know just messing 09:47 but seriously, their disadvantages are balanced by nice advantages 09:47 I am unsure yet about the tortle edge 09:48 i'm personally impressed when someone ascends one though because it's a balancing act trying to get mr/reflection etc. nvm having half the AC, CAN'T wear a robe. or a shirt for drain resist. etc. 09:48 it's a great balance honestly (giant) 09:48 if they got ac from level up it'd be a fun challenge role I think, you'd have to ascend without something you'd usually rely on maybe 09:49