00:53 -!- ssnufd has quit [Quit: Client closed] 02:36 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 02:58 -!- cbus has quit [Quit: reboot] 03:02 -!- cbus has joined #evilhack 03:09 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:12 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 03:14 -!- Umbire has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:15 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 04:25 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 04:37 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:29 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Cav Gia Fem Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:21302 05:45 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Cav Gia Fem Law), 57662 points, T:22999, killed by a balrog 05:53 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Con Orc Mal Cha), 113 points, T:498, killed by a jackal 05:55 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Con Orc Mal Cha), 65 points, T:216, killed by a crossbow bolt 05:57 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Con Orc Mal Cha), 91 points, T:422, killed by a sewer rat 07:01 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha), 63 points, T:110, killed by a bear trap 07:10 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha), 124 points, T:526, killed by an iron ball collision 07:11 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha), 86 points, T:243, killed by a bear trap 07:15 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha) murdered Nicodemus, her faithful sewer rat, on T:887 07:15 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha), 248 points, T:895, killed by a contaminated potion 07:23 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Cav Dwa Fem Neu) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:57833 07:25 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha), 841 points, T:2066, killed by tumbling down a flight of stairs 07:29 about my dlvl 1 run, it gets better. i found more dragonhide gear. i got an amulet of life saving, magical breathing and magic resistance. i got poison, fire, sleep and cold res. i think i got 30% shock res by now 07:30 i also found a glass tin opener 07:33 https://github.com/NetHack/NetHack/issues/716 also i opened this issue regarding teleporting onto pits when flying 07:39 nice 07:39 also because they dont spawn anymore, i think i already extincted hill orcs, killer bees and kobold and gnome zombies 07:40 Wow, gathered 9 saber-toothed tigers to shield me from Kathryn summons 07:40 stupid evilhack junethack achievement idea: get a tin opener of every possible material 07:41 i got a silver, glass, iron and steel tin opener alrady 07:41 how about, enter astral with every equipped item being made from the same material :-) 07:42 monks would love that 07:42 dragonhide tin opener 07:43 i said every possible material 07:43 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Evilhack#Material_percentages so iron (default), steel, bone, wood, silver, copper, mithril, gold, glass, stone, platinum 07:48 darn, tamed a tenth saber-toothed tiger and now they can't all have reindeer names 07:49 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 07:49 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha), 2801 points, T:4079, killed by an orcish arrow 07:54 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Cav Dwa Fem Neu) defeated the invisible Kathryn the Ice Queen, on T:59153 07:55 also i have 70 lizard corpses 07:59 what happens if you zap a wand of turn undead at the stack? 08:00 i uh dont want to know 08:00 even though i have like 5 wands of turn undead 08:00 and a spellbook of it 08:00 maybe you can crash the game! 08:01 or maybe it only does 1 out of the stack, dunno 08:01 sounds like i gotta test this 08:02 so sad, just does the top one 08:02 should do them all but as a single huge lizard with level = # in stack 08:02 so you can make godzilla 08:08 shit, no way to take 2 pegasi and 9 saber-toothed tigers with me as i go is there 08:18 K2: since (master) mindflayers have intrinsic see invis, shouldnt illithids get that intrinsic too? 08:31 something game balance something ;-) 08:32 well at a high level maybe 08:32 how do you get permanent intrinsic see invis in evil anyways? eating stalkers while invisible? 08:33 only way is to get crowned 08:33 (if your role doesn't get it as an intrinsic already) 08:34 maybe a throne could give it, not sure 08:36 hmm explanation of see invis / invisibility seems to be missing on the wiki page 08:39 nice. cursed geno 08:39 i need brown puddings 08:40 for shock res 08:41 blue dragon? 08:42 my level is too low for that 08:42 also they can digest you 08:44 not if you have scare monster, but... 08:44 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha), 751 points, T:1832, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted lesser homunculus, while sleeping 08:44 you probably can't dig a 3x3 room anymore 08:44 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha), 6 points, T:40, killed by a jackal 08:45 can i cure stoning with a partly eaten lizard corpse? 08:45 yes 08:46 good 08:47 also would 3x3 room work if the walls are pits? 08:48 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha), 359 points, T:893, dragged downstairs by an iron ball 08:48 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha), 0 points, T:181, killed by a fox, while praying 08:51 you can get perm see in vis from a magic trap also 08:51 but crowning is the best way 08:57 [hdf-us] [evil] lgxia (Tou Hum Mal Neu) had a mithril two-handed sword entrusted to him by The Lady, on T:3700 08:58 but stalkers dont give you the intrinsic anymore right? 08:59 they do, but its temporary 09:01 and thrones? 09:01 and eating a ring of see invis? 09:01 ah eating the ring should be permanent (vanilla rules) 09:02 why do you have to ask me all these hard questions first thing in the morning 09:02 :P 09:02 DIRGE 09:04 "would 3x3 room work if the walls are pits"   no, because dragons can fly 09:07 NetSysFire are you still on dlvl 1 09:07 !whereis NetSysFire 09:07 NetSysFire: [hdf-eu] NetSysFire [evil]: (Pri Ith Fem Cha) T:100044 The Dungeons of Doom level: 1 09:07 although its turn 120068 now 09:08 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha), 1816 points, T:3936, killed by a giant spider 09:08 K2: so, yes 09:08 hahah 09:09 have you at least ventured lower? 09:09 no 09:09 i even blocked off the stairs with a boulder and dug pits around it 09:10 so monsters cant escape 09:11 i have more than 1.6k pieces of equipment from monster drops 09:11 lol epic 09:11 and no one of you is going to stop me 09:11 you do you girlfriend 09:12 * K2 waves his hand and throws glitter at mobileuser 09:13 can you configure Hecubus to say DIRGE whenever someone acquires it 09:13 ... perhaps 09:14 I mean yeah anything is possible, but Tangles is the resident python guru. i can do some simple edits, not so sure about adding a new function 09:14 ah so Tangles has a magic flute 09:14 ... 09:14 :D 09:16 i am not sure why i'm spending so much time dragging my coterie of 2 pegasi and 8 saber-toothed tigers all the way back to my stash 09:16 because the real treasure is the friends you made along the way 09:16 because you love your pets 09:16 and they love you 09:16 it is such a pain in the ass 09:16 * K2 throws more glitter at mobileuser 09:16 dont forget to bring your kitten home to gehennom 09:16 how much tameness do they lose every time they are on a different level? because it takes two stair trips to gather them all 09:17 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha), 920 points, T:2493, killed by a wererat 09:17 whatever the vanilla rules are for that 09:17 i should be able to apply a bag of tricks on them, suck them up, then pull them back out later 09:17 rofl 09:17 your monster travel tote 09:18 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha), 90 points, T:475, killed by a jackal, while fainted from lack of food 09:18 there should also be a bag of treats, only drops on halloween, full of candy bars and a few apples 09:20 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha), 86 points, T:431, killed by a kobold 09:20 where is all this glitter coming from 09:20 lol 09:22 mobileuser: from the tortle shells 09:22 i didnt read the conversation entirely but maybe use #monster to let player tortles hide in their shells? 09:22 yeah 09:22 i have an idea after speaking to qt about it 09:23 it came to me in a divine dream 09:23 mobileuser was there as an angel. with glitter 09:23 NetSysFire, when you are done spending 1m turns on 1, should should take a character down, kill the Oracle, and spell 1m turns wresting a wish from his ball 09:23 her 09:24 oracle is a her 09:24 if you add #monster for tortles to hide in shells make sure you can do it if you are polyd into a giant turtle too! 09:24 ikr? 09:24 K2: you got choked by a couatl and your fading consciousness saw stars which you thought where glitter 09:24 wait what? 09:24 the stars in the sky are glitter 09:25 thats a fact 09:25 a couatl is an angel, so the angel made you see glitter 09:25 its just me being silly again 09:25 i bet its the bad air on dlvl 1 09:25 getting stale 09:26 man 09:26 :/ 09:26 you ever find a package of crackers and they're stale but you're like 'imma eat these anyways' 09:28 thats like me eating uncooked pasta at 3 am because i dont have anything else and i am too lazy to boil it 09:31 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha), 991 points, T:2561, killed by an exploding wand 09:31 does psionic wave damage increase with int? 09:31 [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 381 points, T:1056, killed by a giant bat, while frozen by a monster's gaze 09:32 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha) had a pair of wooden hiking boots entrusted to her by Tymora, on T:386 09:34 :O post163 did not slip 09:35 it is weird seeing post163 die after turn 1 09:35 NetSysFire, no with exp level 09:36 ah cool 09:42 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha) had Luck Blade bestowed upon her by Tymora, on T:2198 09:42 'Test boop!' 09:43 i made some framework for tortle hiding in their shell 09:43 function is called 'dohideshell()' 09:44 for testing, right now if you're a tortle and you use #monster, you get back 'Test boop!' 09:44 hahah 09:45 mobileuser I have no idea where the glitter came from, I am more weird than normal today 09:49 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Cav Dwa Fem Neu) had a steel dwarvish spear entrusted to her by Ishtar, on T:61589 09:49 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha) destroyed lacca's ghost, the former Inmate, on T:3645 09:50 lizards can go extinct right 09:51 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha) had a broadsword entrusted to her by Tymora, on T:3953 09:52 lol rip lacca[m] 09:52 yeah 09:53 Which exact death are you relying to?:) 09:54 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Cav Dwa Fem Neu) had Frost Brand bestowed upon her by Ishtar, on T:61877 09:55 lacca[m]: no i meant you getting luckblade and now getting a broadsword 09:56 NetSysFire: Unfortunately I cannot twoweapon with swords due to low strength) 10:03 aaaaand i got another dragonhide mummy wrapping 10:17 soon you can make yourself a dragon float 10:21 i didn't know giant centipedes could leap -- kinda weird. k2: they need a special emote for that, "The giant centipede rears up and stretches over to you!" or something 10:22 the normal jump message isnt ok? 10:24 well, centipedes can't jump 10:24 goddamit my pegasus is ill and i have no eucalyptus 10:24 can i smash her with a potion? full? extra? normal healing? any/or? 10:25 i really need to figure out all the pet curing mechanics 10:25 looks like i have !healing and !extrahealing, will either of them do the trick if i F-hit with them? 10:26 extra healing 10:26 or blessed healing i think 10:26 yay! untamed her tho 10:26 silly horse 10:28 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Cav Dwa Fem Neu) destroyed the invisible rebatela's ghost, the former Student of Waters, on T:63191 10:28 deep bones? 10:28 oh wow, rebatela's ghost was really rebatela's ghost 10:29 i thought it was some other random ghost 10:29 yeah, in the valley 10:29 Hecubus doesn't waste his time with them 10:29 killed by a flock of weredemons 10:29 yeah 10:29 i forgot about them and levelported there 10:29 anything good here for me? 10:30 you have the 2nd and 3rd full healing i've seen, which is awesome 10:30 well in the game i had a shit ton of spellbooks back at my stash 10:30 i froget what i had on me 10:30 that's the giant? 10:30 probably garbage armor 10:30 the eyes of the overworld! yeah, was giant 10:30 the eyes the eyes whee 10:30 and i am neutral 10:30 nice 10:30 slotless MR ftw 10:30 might be my first pair of speed boots too 10:31 https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/r/rebatela/evilhack/dumplog/1644820551.evil.txt 10:32 wand of wishing! baby 10:32 you're welcome 10:32 oh man your bones has totally turned this soso game around 10:34 i don't like those weredeamons so much 10:34 i've died a few times that way 10:34 i took the stairs, saw a ton of them, went back up and popped on my ring of protection from shape changers 10:34 then sucked them up the stairs one by one 10:34 but in this case i had just forgtten that there was a "flock" by the stairs and read a cursed scroll to lvl 99 10:35 the eyes are really nice because i also have the sceptre -- with 2 stealable sources of MR I can almost bear relying on them without my gdsm 10:35 probably still die that way with my luck but oh well 10:36 yeah if i have two artifacts i sometimes will risk it 10:36 it's harder now because you sometimes have to stand and fight rodney for a bunch of turns 10:36 i forget -- eyes are no protection against beholders, right? you have to take them off and put on a towel? 10:36 can't just death wand 10:36 so it becomes more and more likely he will steal 10:37 or not more likely but you know what i mean. better chance. it's 1/20 but if you have to stand there for 20 turns... 10:37 oh my rodneys definitely have an 85% chance of stealing them 10:38 3.43 wa so much easier because just carrying the EotA gives you MR the way PYEC does 10:38 so if you had both eyes and he stole one it you would still have MR without taking a turn 10:38 so it looks like you didn't bother to clear the valley? 10:39 no i just got there 10:39 kited 2 or 3 wratihs 10:39 that's it 10:39 so get all the loot 10:39 so *YOU get all the loot 10:39 (and the wraiths if that's your thing.. I think i ate 2) 10:40 i can't be bothered to kite the wraiths all the way off the castle level, way too much work 10:40 i was gonna tell you something and i can't remember 10:40 oh yeah 10:41 with the eyes 10:41 learn detect monsters ASAP if you don't know it 10:41 because you can't just blind yourself easily to use telepathy... 10:41 caveman 10:41 so i cast the spell 10:41 oh 10:41 fuck 10:41 yeah... it sucks 10:41 but yes eyes protect against beholders 10:41 and archons 10:41 (vanilla) 10:42 and magic eyes although they still mess with your luck and can burn items 10:42 oh really, no petrification/stun from beholders with eyes? that is all i care about 10:42 yep 10:42 oh 10:42 behodlers are like newts wearing the eyes 10:42 so wait, some of their effects still penetrate the eyes? disenchant, luck? 10:42 originally it wasn't like that but i cried about it 10:42 yeah you just won't get stoned 10:43 well f that, no eyes for me 10:43 oh i love them 10:43 it's a great source of mr first of all 10:43 but you already have that 10:43 but it's like clairvoyance or wahtever 10:43 light source 10:43 i get spoiled having that shit 10:43 protecting from some of the dangerous effects is not sufficiently better than protecting from none 10:44 but yeah you gotta take them off and blind yourself. it's too much if you can't cast detect monsters 10:44 it blocks everything except medusa not sure what you're talking about 10:45 you said some of the beholder effects still screw you -- luck drain, disenchant items. 10:45 oh i'm not sure 10:45 since i can "see" them astrally that makes them WORSE then not having them, a beholder could disenchant my gear through a wall 10:45 things get canceled like everone else. i have no idea what cancels me in this game sometimes lol 10:46 oh maybe 10:46 he buffed it. It used to be worse. I died to one early on in evilhack history because I had no chance of taking eyes off/blinding myself 10:47 so he made them block their attack 10:47 -!- ssnufd has joined #evilhack 10:47 (beholders) 10:48 when you enchant all your gear you're gonna be all set 10:48 it's all +0 wtf 10:49 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:6124 10:49 i told you this run has been awful, i'm as enchanted as i can get 10:50 you just got 3+ wishes from me... buy a marker 10:50 no way man 10:51 i'm a polyperson 10:51 haha same 10:51 !! 10:51 i think 8 of my lasdt 10 ascensions i've never written with a marker 10:51 evil just made me even MORE of a polypiler lol 10:51 yeah.. i use the one you get in the end game obviously, but i can't remember last time i wished for one 10:52 i collect high-charge wands and poly for tp and death 10:52 sometimes i'll go for the tool in soko if i don't have a boh 10:52 i pretty much always amulet for the resist i don't have in sokoban, get the one i already have, and whine about it 10:52 krm26: SAME thing 10:53 I love having a nice 2:13 death wand for astral... 10:53 lol 10:53 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha), 7337 points, T:7833, killed by a gnoll cleric, while paralyzed by a monster 10:54 yeah i feel great about my double-digit-charged wands until they are cursed or destroyed :-) 10:54 i will fooproof my tele/death/poly wands 10:54 when i can 10:54 at least nobody is bullwhipping them out my inventory (yet, maybe next version :-) 10:57 krm26 you said youre having a rough game, whats the average turncount for a slow/tougher evilhack game? 10:58 think im on like 45k~ and havent done castle (but i should have i just wasted time finding out i cant do ice queen) 10:59 we all play longer games than vanilla 10:59 no hurries lol 11:00 :) 11:02 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had a wooden winged helmet entrusted to him by Huan Ti, on T:7317 11:04 !whereis ssnufd 11:04 rebatela: ssnufd is not playing. 11:04 krm26 always complains about his gear and then usually ascends anyway. unless not paying attention. :-) 11:05 he just got a goddamn 0:0 wand from my ghost is gear should be + 7 11:05 his* 11:05 heh 11:05 i earned that wand 11:05 make some wishes 11:07 [hdf-us] [evil] lgxia (Tou Hum Mal Neu) had a steel two-handed sword entrusted to him by The Lady, on T:11146 11:07 -!- amateurhour has joined #evilhack 11:09 when my gear is crap is when i'm most likely to pay attention and ascend :-) 11:10 so I have a really rough method for a tortle to hide in its shell 11:11 its crap 11:11 but it works 11:11 to army spec! 11:11 hah 11:11 and while you're hiding in your shell you cant do anything 11:12 which isnt exactly what I want 11:13 your inventory is in there with you, you should be able to eat consumables! No reading scrolls, too dark 11:14 how are you going to manipuate anything if your arms and legs are tucked into your shell 11:14 they are all in the same shell :-) 11:14 heh 11:14 no, they are in your mythical backpack 11:16 this is what I have so far (and its crap) - https://termbin.com/jhw83 11:16 I choose to believe they wear a sporran for modesty and practicality 11:17 and fashion 11:22 [hdf-us] [evil] lgxia (Tou Hum Mal Neu) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:13257 11:24 :) 11:39 amateurhour, can tortle ride a horse? 11:39 *a tortle 11:40 let tortles tame and saddle giant turtles! 11:40 tortle knights on turtles! 11:40 oooh yeah, steed with a speed of 3 11:42 :P 11:42 without going into too much detail we will be using crystal chests from now on 11:42 hahah 11:42 :) 11:42 I can imagine why 11:42 after getting my ass kicked and my god smiting me i see *a hill orc puts on an amulet of reflection* 11:43 mmmmmmm 11:44 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Cav Dwa Fem Neu) wished for "blessed greased fixed +3 dragonhide oilskin cloak", on T:65320 11:45 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Cav Dwa Fem Neu) wished for "blessed greased fixed +3 dragonhide boots of speed", on T:65327 11:46 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Cav Dwa Fem Neu) wished for "blessed greased +3 oilskin cloth elven helm", on T:65327 11:50 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Cav Dwa Fem Neu) wished for "blessed greased fixed +3 mithril shield of mobility", on T:65352 11:55 krm26 dont forget, as a caveperson you can tame and ride a saber-toothed tiger 11:56 i have 9 of them 11:57 some with saddles 11:57 had to leave them behind finally, was too much hassle moving them around 11:57 they are very nice 11:58 but they don't level up as fast as the pegasi and it turns out i'm too lazy to move more than one pet around with me :-) 11:58 unfortunately the place i'd like to use them, the valley and vecna, they would all pretty much get insta-gibbed by sickness 11:58 i think i may park them all on 1 and retame them before ascending 11:59 (assuming of course i don't grazzt myself before that) 11:59 i've also seriously thought about getting the 9 tigers and 2 pegasi on a nice early level and turning myself into a statue :-) 12:01 haha 12:01 K2: am i correct that Eyes of the Overworld still don't protect you from all of the beholder/magic eye stuff? 12:03 https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/355900699790d8555665a6e8c9965d609e5c3cb4 12:04 what about vecna's gaze? 12:05 i hadn't realized that partial protection from canc/disint/stoning meant just damage is suffered, that is good enough protection for me. so i only get luck drained 12:06 no protection from vecna gaze 12:06 ok 12:06 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:7515 12:06 so gotta blindfold for vecna and if for some reason i care about luck 12:10 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 20540 points, T:7691, killed by an energy vortex 12:13 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Cav Dwa Fem Neu) polymorphed her first object, on T:65430 12:17 ssnufd: crystal chests are the way to go if you can swing it 12:21 thankfully i have one and knock lol 12:29 I locked my stash in a crystal chest once. Came back much later with no opening wands and I'd forgotten knock. 12:29 learned to keep a wand handy or at least the spellbook. 12:30 [hdf-us] [evil] ssnufd (Rog Hob Mal Neu) killed Medusa, on T:48912 12:31 oh thank you bouquet_ 12:32 yup, the proper way is spellbook of knock under boulder next to crystal chest 12:32 maybe with a robe if you need one :-) 12:32 that's a very good idea. 12:33 remember, a crystal chest doesnt automatically lock itself agin 12:33 maybe just keep it on the same square outside the chest. 12:33 so have a means to lock it also if you dont want intelligent monsters rummaging through it 12:33 yeah i only do it when i know knock and wiz lock 12:34 other wise it's just a boulder 12:34 I don't want to provoke any EPI's, but I've never had an issue locking a regular chest and moving a boulder over it. 12:34 there'd have to be a giant with a key to get in. 12:34 hill giant enters chat 12:34 grrrrr 12:34 yeah boulder you are a fine as long as no giants 12:34 although 12:34 i think a humanoid monster with a wand of striking should get frustrated with a locked box and zap it 12:35 a giant would have to have a key, though. I think that's pretty rare for them to start with. 12:35 i wass standing on my boulder stash once and something zapped poly at me and the entire thing turned into a tin opener or somethin 12:35 something 12:35 oof 12:35 the giant doesn't need a key, he just needs to predate the monster with a key 12:35 also zapped force bolt at it myself in that game krm26 just found bones of and lost all my potions 12:35 you need to take more care of the loot you are preparing for me to find :-) 12:36 it has taken me this long to actually digest it all 12:36 :) 12:36 as soon as i know knock and wizard lock i polypile for crystal chest though 12:36 or go retrieve it etc 12:36 think i'm set now tho, i'm ready for "it is your own damn fault you died you idiot" mode 12:36 i reaaaaaly want to add a magic chest 12:37 the magic-chest-accessible-from-multiple-points is pretty sweet 12:37 do the treasury of prometheus! 12:37 that thing is awesome 12:37 what is that from? 12:37 the treasury of promethus? does it just contain fire? 12:37 not sure of the origin, but it's the pirate quest reward in Splice 12:38 maybe I got the name wrong. 12:38 i wanna get tortle wrapped up before i start in on something else 12:38 *this* close 12:38 it's a chest that randomly polymorphs its contents. 12:39 that would be proteus probably, not prometheus 12:39 thats a reward? 12:39 change all your shit? 12:39 awesome tool to keep in inventory so you can periodically drop junk items in in case of a favorable poly 12:39 got too many scrolls of food detection? Drop them in the Treasury for a free reward. 12:39 huh 12:40 I was skeptical at first, but ended up finding great value in it as a utility artifact. 12:42 polymorph on insertion? 12:42 sounds too good unless there is a high chance of destroying the stuff you put in 12:42 the shuddering/etc are important parts of keeping polymorph from being just an anything-factory 12:43 same rules as polywand. 12:43 sometimes they disappear. 12:43 can't be *same* rules since there is no stacking/range analogy 12:43 I would keep a huge stack of blessed blank scrolls and put them in 3 at a time. 12:43 does a golem bust out of the box like the koolaid man and throw it at you 12:43 I had a STOPMSG so I didn't miss the notice when something polymorphed. 12:44 right now in my evilhack game polywands and player monsters are incredibly rare. I could really use a treasury of prometheus. 12:44 or whatever it was called 12:45 ah! Proteus. 12:45 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/The_Treasury_of_Proteus 12:46 pirate is dnh is pretty cool 12:46 might require adding pirates. 12:46 Pirate is a solid class. 12:47 they can't get more than their first sac gift but big chance of finding artis randomly 12:47 which is pretty fun 12:48 1%-25% "you know knock quite well already"? 12:49 i cant do a little brushing up huh 12:51 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 12:52 i mean id say i asked a student you know the material pretty well and he was like yeah about 25% max id be like youre good to go 13:00 this is why in xnh you can just reread a book whenever you want. I'm not making the call on whether you think you'll need it again and won't have it. 13:13 haha 13:14 good change 13:15 I think it should be included in vanilla. 13:16 me too 13:18 there aren't a ton of standalone xnh features I think shouldn't be included in vanilla 13:20 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 13:21 hard to parse a double negative :) 13:22 so... you think there's a ton of xnh features that should be included in vanilla? 13:27 at this points its 'what features arent in vanilla that are in xnethack' 13:27 aosdict has 81 commits to nethack repo 13:32 -!- qt has joined #evilhack 13:49 only 81? 13:49 well that also probably ignores some commits that are my feature but have paxed's or patr's name on the commit 13:50 bouquet_: standalone features yeah. not necessarily stuff like obj materials 13:51 i only have 2 but evilhack is mentioned in a few more 13:51 somehow PatR doesnt have any at all 13:51 his commits aren't from the same email as his github account or something 13:52 hmm 13:52 qt you have 43 \o/ 13:52 there are a number of devteam members not listed in there since they don't have github accounts, or their github account is under a different email or something 13:53 very cool 13:53 once i reach 44 i will quit nethack forever 13:53 as it is written 13:54 the prophecy will be fulfilled 13:54 qt do you even play nethack? Or do you play under a different name online? 13:54 I don't think I've ever seen your name in the watch list. 13:54 https://nethackscoreboard.org/players/q/qt.all.html 13:54 he plays 13:54 he has a cloaking device from stra trek 13:54 i haven't been playing very often the past couple weeks 13:54 star 13:55 qt i need your help 13:55 (again) 13:55 maybe it's just timing. 13:55 i also die early a lot 13:55 so maybe that's part of it 13:55 K2: what is it? 13:56 so I made a rough bit of code for tortle hiding in its shell 13:56 https://termbin.com/jhw83 13:56 I dont like it 13:56 it feels like crap 13:57 not even sure if i am going about this the right way 14:00 needs to pline("shello") when you leave your shell next to a peaceful monster 14:01 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Cav Dwa Fem Neu) killed Cerberus, on T:66582 14:01 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Cav Dwa Fem Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:66608 14:01 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had a wormwood staff entrusted to him by Huan Ti, on T:738 14:04 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 628 points, T:1253, zombified by a gnome zombie, while frozen by a monster's gaze 14:04 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Cav Dwa Fem Neu) killed Baalzebub, on T:66679 14:08 it doesn't seem helpful to just give half damage if it means you can't do anything for 100 turns 14:09 half damage while paralyzed for 100 turns, feels basically like a command to paralyze you for 50 turns of normal damage lol 14:09 which doesn't seem beneficial 14:09 concur 14:10 i would think it would be a toggle you could cancel at any time if you realize you're getting crushed anyway...and that maybe you'd get a surprise round when you finally pop out 14:11 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 14:12 what i'd like, is for the player to not be completely frozen when in their shell 14:13 i dont know how to make a player rooted (can't move) but can still do things per turn 14:13 if (u.uinshell) /* not to be confused with u.uinhell */ 14:13 qt this is more a proof of concept, or just a starting point 14:13 this is definitely not what i want for end state 14:14 yeah I agree with amateurhour, it seems like this is a good case for adding something to you.h 14:14 and then just checking its value and toggling it when necessary 14:14 what would be ideal - there's a max number of turns you can hide in your shell, but if you wanted to exit earlier, you could 14:15 and then there should be a timeout for how often you can hide in your shell, kinda like using #invoke on an artifact 14:17 I did state earlier that my current code for this is crap :) 14:20 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Cav Dwa Fem Neu) killed Lolth, on T:67431 14:20 *phew* unexpected lolth gate 14:22 u.uinshell can be a counter and you get booted out when it equals or exceeds (level*5) or whatever 14:25 ARGH! left my pegasus safely locked in a small room while i deal with dangerous vecna level, come back and there is a purple worm sitting on her saddle 14:31 well, the early worm gets the flying horse 14:32 that's a good idea about it being some kind of timer 14:33 you could even just have any movement or attack action reset it to 0, if you didn't want to make it necessary to toggle it back off with #monster again 14:34 right, as long as you pressed . or another permitted action it wouldn't reset the timer and give you the boot 14:43 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 14:45 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 563 points, T:595, killed by a mountain dwarf 14:49 K2: there is u_rooted() at least in 3.7 which prevents moves, but isn't quite what you're looking for since it still allows ranged attacks, taking things out of bags, attacking in melee, etc 14:49 * K2 nods 14:49 thanks. i just found that about 3 min ago 14:50 but it gives a handy clone point for making your own version 14:50 personally I think u_rooted() should instead return a boolean meaning whether someone has gained superuser access to your computer 14:50 [hdf-us] [evil] ssnufd (Rog Hob Mal Neu) had a throwing spear entrusted to him by Mog, on T:52717 14:51 or if you have managed to get nethack superuser access 14:51 you should make the generalization u_carapaced so it can be extended to giant beetles, etc :-) 14:52 just make sure that somewhere in your tortle color text you use scutes 14:53 iirc minecraft has a "turtle master" temporary effect which makes you super slow and also super resistant to damage 14:53 in fact, when something hits you while you are enshelled you should get messages like "something flails harmlessly at your marginal ventral scute" and "you feel scraping at your suprapygal scutes" 14:54 there are other anatomical scute words but i don't remember anything else other than the obvious pleural and costal 14:55 one thing to think about when designing a hide-in-shell mechanic is when is it going to get used? monsters aren't going to just bounce off your shell and conclude they can't harm you and go their merry way, they'll instead keep attacking. 14:55 for the 1 guy in the future that does pacifist conduct 14:56 so what tactical situation would it be used for? I'm struggling to think of one that doesn't wind up with you surrounded by the same or more amount of monsters with no additional damage 14:56 i think the idea is "rest for health without retreating" 14:56 depends on what you can do while you're in the shell 14:56 so it would be primarily an early game mechanic? 14:56 or yeah if you are super hard to hit you can gain hp naturally 14:57 hide in shell have dagul kill everything maybe? 14:57 idk 14:57 also what happens if a boulder falls on you while hiding in the shell 14:57 like, really great to become wererat proof but not so hot once things start using nonstandard attacks 14:57 the dungeon collapses 14:57 and if you're hiding in the shell and then die, do you become a ghost in the shell 14:57 yes 14:57 or if it made you curse/disenchant proof you could hide out while pets take care of evil stuff 14:57 yes 14:57 YES 14:58 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 1909 points, T:1813, killed by a water elemental of Chih Sung-tzu 14:58 so it sounds like the mechanic is to allow yourself to be totally invulnerable while inside the shell? 14:59 except for hunger and such 14:59 i doubt k2 would permit that 14:59 but what's being described sounds like it doesn't really make any sense to do if things are still able to hurt you 15:01 wonder how it will interact with air elemental engulfment 15:01 you could wear conflict and then hide in the shell for protection as the monsters fight each other 15:01 wait, no you can't because SOMEONE made it so conflict requires you not to be blind 15:02 that mechanic is weird 15:06 6 15:06 oops 15:06 7 15:09 8 15:10 [hdf-eu] [evil] McPanther (Bar Gia Mal Cha), 1347 points, T:1713, killed by a killer bee 15:12 nein! 15:18 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Cav Dwa Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (two random monsters from class R), on T:69589 15:23 [hdf-us] [evil] ssnufd (Rog Hob Mal Neu) became Mog's Envoy of Balance, on T:56529 15:24 [hdf-eu] [evil] McPanther (Sam Gia Mal Law), 1112 points, T:1377, poisoned by a little dart 15:25 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:26 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 15:54 aosdict, the tortle wouldnt become invulvernable whilst hiding in their shell. they should get a significant AC bonus though, so physical attacks either miss or wont do as much damage on a hit 15:54 a typical use could be simply a safe way to rest 15:55 Risks getting surrounded though 15:55 but could also be used in a tight spot if the tortle becomes overwhelmed, could give them a chance to regen hit points enough to get out of a bad situation 15:55 unless you're smart about placement 15:55 yeah 15:56 which is why I prosed it being on a use timer like #invoke - that way its not abused 15:56 *proposed 16:12 castle is really cool : ) 16:14 which one did you get? there are multiple versions 16:18 oh thats even cooler. started in the bottom middle in a little maze surrounded by lava, zoo room had dragons and iron golems locked behind bars shooting at you 16:27 [hdf-us] [evil] ssnufd (Rog Hob Mal Neu) made his first artifact wish - "blessed the eyes of the overworld", on T:58278 16:30 ssnufd that's my favourite one :-) 16:32 mobileuser i had no idea really what to go for especially in this variant, and i know things can be modified with material types and such:)  i really like that item too 16:44 oh sorry I meant the castle variant :b 16:44 but the eyes are pretty cool too 16:44 I should add a section "favourite evilhack wishes" to the wiki 16:45 blessed fixed greased paper hat 16:46 in the shape of a sailboat 16:47 haha 16:48 is that the "mobi hat"? O:3 16:48 anti alhoon hat 16:49 alhoons hate sailboats 16:49 https://www.hardfought.org/xlogfiles/evilhack/wishtracker 16:49 oh wow! 16:49 ^ ssnufd 16:49 and https://eu.hardfought.org/xlogfiles/evilhack/wishtracker 16:50 and this is just current version 16:50 lol at those VaderFLAG wishes 16:50 thats awesome 16:51 mobileuser wished for blessed fireproof +2 oilskin fedora \o/ 16:51 Man I spend a year never wishing for anything and here I am at the top of the list 16:51 i should conectate all of them together like i do the xlogfile and livelog 16:51 hahaha! 16:52 VaderFLAG wished for blessed fixed +4200000000000000 silver lance (5th wish, on T:33730 on 20210918 at 112450 hrs) 16:52 i was just laughing at that 16:52 if I recall, he only got +41999999999999999 16:53 At least it didn't DYWYPI like when I tried to level port to +bajillion 16:54 SCIENCE 16:56 [hdf-us] [evil] ssnufd (Rog Hob Mal Neu) wished for "blessed greased fixed +2 dragonhide t-shirt", on T:58782 17:02 ssnufd usually people wish an object property like drain resistance on the t-shirt 17:03 ah, good to know 17:03 K2! 17:04 the log doesn't show object properties? 17:06 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed Aphrodite, on T:2260 17:07 or names :( 17:07 [hdf-us] [evil] ssnufd (Rog Hob Mal Neu) wished for "blessed greased fixed +2 dragonhide cloak of protection", on T:58814 17:09 if you have the bag of the hesperides, a dragonhide oilskin cloak is ok too. MC2 from the cloak plus MC1 from the bag = MC3 17:09 or a dragonhide robe for spellcasters 17:13 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3191 17:15 maybe not hmm 17:15 back later, gymnastic time with the ice queen 17:19 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 17:22 -!- amateurhour has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:22 -!- ssnufd has quit [Quit: Client closed] 17:26 -!- ssnufd has joined #evilhack 17:27 mobileuser thats really good to know, i was wondering why i was seeing so many oilskin cloak wishes 17:31 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 7663 points, T:5956, killed by a yeti 17:44 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 18:54 [hdf-us] [evil] ssnufd (Rog Hob Mal Neu) wished for "blessed greased fixed +2 dragonhide gauntlets of power", on T:60057 19:02 oh isee now you need to do that as mithril since gop are base metal 19:04 if you're a caster and need 25str you can wish for them as "bone" 19:04 I think 19:05 I'm probably wrong... Maybe "wood"? 19:11 oh thats really neat 19:14 I'm certain I've received wooden gauntlets of power before. 19:15 maybe it was stone. ::shruggie:: 19:15 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Gno Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:8254 19:15 Bone, wood and stone are viable 19:16 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Gno Fem Cha), 10384 points, T:8320, killed by a jumping spider 19:16 Stone gives the most AC of them iirc 19:16 gemstone would be cool 19:19 i see stone under the list on the evilhack wiki page, but then i dont see it listed in the chart that shows AC / effects / etc 19:19 i will have to remember that about stone 19:22 You put an uncursed pick-axe into the sack. You feel guilty 19:25 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Gno Fem Cha), 746 points, T:2531, killed by a silver dragon 19:27 i have reached xp 14 on dlvl 1 without gain level 19:31 lmao 19:34 i prepared three potions of gain level though 19:35 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Gno Fem Cha), 333 points, T:950, killed by an unsuccessful polymorph 20:00 -!- NetSysFire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:00 -!- NetSysFire has joined #evilhack 20:17 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:53 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Wiz Elf Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:13462 21:45 [hdf-us] [evil] ssnufd (Rog Hob Mal Neu) defeated the invisible Kathryn the Ice Queen, on T:60720 21:50 congrats ssnufd \o/ 21:51 the revenge was super sweet AND i forgot about that bag super excited about it 22:15 [hdf-us] [evil] ssnufd (Rog Hob Mal Neu) had Fire Brand bestowed upon him by Mog, on T:61415 22:37 -!- vegetarianitalia has joined #evilhack 22:39 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Gno Fem Cha) rejected atheism by consulting with the orcish priest of Anhur, on T:10830 22:50 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Gno Fem Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:12569 22:53 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Gno Fem Cha), 11544 points, T:12955, zombified by a gnoll witherling 23:14 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (disenchanters), on T:1878 23:22 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 2387 points, T:2785, killed by an elven watchman 23:54 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:4183 23:56 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had a twisted staff entrusted to him by Huan Ti, on T:4530