00:29 !tell amateurhour initial work - https://termbin.com/igmk 00:29 Will do, K2! 01:16 [hdf-us] [evil] ssnufd (Rog Hob Fem Neu) had a banded mail entrusted to her by Mog, on T:8923 02:00 [hdf-us] [evil] ssnufd (Rog Hob Fem Neu) destroyed the invisible coplate's ghost, the former Conjurer, on T:12139 02:01 TIL there was a Pelias in the Conan writings 02:01 a rare allied sorcerer no less 02:08 [hdf-us] [evil] ssnufd (Rog Hob Fem Neu) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:12458 02:22 -!- Umbire has quit [Quit: Umbire zaps a wand of digging!] 02:23 [hdf-us] [evil] Mosh (Cav Gia Fem Law), 867 points, T:2357, killed by a rabid dog 02:24 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 02:30 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 02:50 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 02:53 [hdf-us] [evil] ssnufd (Rog Hob Fem Neu) killed Aphrodite, on T:15039 03:19 -!- lacca[m] has quit [Quit: Bridge terminating on SIGTERM] 03:25 -!- lacca[m] has joined #evilhack 03:27 -!- Umbire has quit [Quit: Umbire zaps a wand of digging!] 04:04 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 04:38 [hdf-us] [evil] Mosh (Cav Dwa Fem Law), 4 points, T:109, poisoned by a rotted gnome corpse 04:43 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 05:09 [hdf-us] [evil] Mosh (Cav Gia Fem Law), 1265 points, T:4199, killed by a piranha 05:12 okay wow i was insanely lucky. i typoed and bashed a floating eye but i have teleportitis and teleport control so i could teleport to my stash while frozen and wait it out in my boulder fort with scrolls of scare monster 05:15 why can i still telecontrol while paralyzed? 05:17 or why can teleportitis still trigger 05:24 @e?quantum mechanic 05:24 quantum mechanic (Q) | Lvl: 7 | Diff: 9 | Spd: 12 | Res: poison | Confers: nothing | MR: 10 | Generates: gehennom dungeons | AC: 3 | Attacks: 1d4 claw teleport | Alignment: 0 | Flags: genocidable, omnivore, teleports, poisonous, infravisible 05:27 NetSysFire I can imagine it working when you are paralysed-but-conscious, just vanilla I think, not evilhack specific 05:27 yeah i thought so too 05:28 I wonder what happens if you are asleep 05:29 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 05:30 "Being asleep, you can not consciously control your teleport" i am pretty sure i have seen this 05:34 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 05:51 [hdf-us] [evil] Mosh (Cav Gia Fem Neu), 112 points, T:1046, killed by a large mimic 06:34 [hdf-us] [evil] Mosh (Cav Gia Mal Law) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:5578 06:34 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Inf Ith Fem Una) murdered her faithful kitten, on T:3751 06:39 [hdf-us] [evil] Mosh (Cav Gia Mal Law) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:6384 06:57 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Inf Ith Fem Una) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:5823 07:05 -!- lacca[m] has quit [Quit: User was banned] 07:21 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Inf Ith Fem Una) completed Sokoban, acquiring a magic marker, on T:7782 07:38 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 07:39 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Inf Ith Fem Una) rejected atheism by offering a pony corpse on an altar of Offler, on T:9209 07:54 YES! got free action and conflict with my last polymorph zap 07:57 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Inf Ith Fem Una), 20504 points, T:10184, killed by the wrath of Moloch 07:57 nice! 08:00 probably gonna die to one of these shambling horrors though lol 08:01 or the boojum 08:04 mobileuser: slashthem huh? I really need to try slashem/slashthem since they say the monk experience is the real deal 08:05 I'm also playing ndnh, I am probably going to park the slashthem game. switching gets confusing. 08:06 Just going to leave it in a state that is ready-to-just-play when I finish the ndnh game. 08:14 heh just got a fountain wish 08:31 noice 08:50 -!- lacca[m] has joined #evilhack 08:52 Hello wizard, welcome to EvilHack! You are a neutral male tortle Monk. 08:54 Aloha wizard, welcome to EvilHack! You are a neutral female tortle Tourist. 08:54 :P 09:11 awesome 09:15 Yay! Curious to see what special abilities they will have. 09:21 this is what I have so far - https://termbin.com/igmk 09:21 i'm currently working on it some more, just had a Neat Idea™ 09:23 and I will probably need some help and figuring out hwo to have a tortle retreat into its shell 09:23 *how 09:25 this game (vanilla even) is more rewarding when you know you're playing wishless... ANd then whenever i get to the castle I think "maybe i'll keep it going!" (never do though lol) 09:29 if i could ever find an oilskin fedora on the ground, i'd try it... 09:30 bah here we go again with an L casting acid at me 09:30 i wish i could trade in my grayswandir and magicbane for dragonbane 09:35 alright 66k turns on dlvl 1, xp 13, i dug out the entire floor. 09:35 now do i want to transform the entire place into pits? or even holes?! 09:36 haha just looked at your game 09:36 have you not gone down the stairs yet? 09:36 nope 09:36 this is me doing dumb stuff™ again 09:37 here i did ctrl+o to prove that i havent gone down the stairs 09:37 nice! (i believed you) 09:37 it reminds me of a bouquet_ extinctionist game 09:38 i try to be extinctionist here too 09:38 only the entire level would be full of monsters 09:38 but i did geno chameleons 09:39 do you have slow digestion? 09:39 no 09:40 thats the weird thing 09:40 i dont know what causes that 09:47 -!- qt has joined #evilhack 09:50 good thing qt did not see that 09:55 is it? 09:56 just teasing :p 10:00 should i fooproof my steel weapon or is it a waste of a scroll? 10:02 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Cav Gia Fem Law), 75 points, T:264, killed by a sewer rat 10:02 i think steel is inherently rustproof 10:03 almost positive you're correct 10:03 rust monsters don't touch steel helmets so i imagine weapons are the same 10:06 do you think a scroll of scare monster and a boulder on the stairs plus pits around it will stop giants from displacing my boulders? 10:15 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Cav Gia Fem Law), 494 points, T:2367, killed by Ms. Kinnegad; the shopkeeper 10:28 !tell amateurhour disregard last link, use this one instead - https://termbin.com/98xz 10:28 amateurhour shall be duly informed at the first opportunity, K2. 10:33 wtf is amateurhour 10:33 heh 10:39 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Cav Gia Fem Law) had Keolewa bestowed upon her by Anu, on T:4565 10:39 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Cav Gia Fem Law), 1516 points, T:4586, killed by an earth elemental of Ishtar 10:46 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had Trollsbane bestowed upon him by Huan Ti, on T:7486 11:03 -!- amateurhour has joined #evilhack 11:04 K2: your summoning worked 11:06 \o/ 11:06 heya amateurhour 11:07 uh oh what is occurring 11:07 amateurhour: Message from K2 at 2022-03-28 00:29 EDT: initial work - https://termbin.com/igmk 11:07 amateurhour: Message from K2 at 2022-03-28 10:28 EDT: disregard last link, use this one instead - https://termbin.com/98xz 11:07 TURTLE MADNESS 11:09 codestorm interrupted by soffit falling off next to my office window...fascia rotten, looks like a poorly installed drip edge :-P 11:09 uh oh 11:09 in days of my youth i would have been ripping it out to fix myself, but now that i'm a sour old fart i'm calling someone and playing evilhack 11:09 :) 11:10 it is like my house was telling me to stop work and play games 11:10 we're having the original front and back decks of our house replaced, work will start as soon as this week. boards are rotting, railing is really rotted, no longer safe 11:10 we know the guy who built the house, shady piece of shit, cuts corners like crazy 11:11 we've spent some $$$ over the years correcting his screw ups 11:11 how come you changed the centaur jump in that termbin? 11:11 it seems like that guy builds 90% of all houses! 11:11 amateurhour i changed it back 11:11 i forgot HJumping = knight jump 11:11 EJumping = normal jump 11:13 right now, tortles can be archeolgist, healer, monk, priest, tourist, or wizard 11:13 would tortle barbarian be ok you think? 11:13 not samurai? 11:13 intrsinic tele control get 11:13 no 11:13 to both lol 11:13 and these are turtles, right, not tortoises (which are intrinsically superior)? 11:13 they are tortles 11:14 amateurhour also, i'm allowing tortles to wear gloves and hats, so long as the material isnt hard/rigid 11:14 https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/forgottenrealms/images/7/72/Tortle-5e.png/revision/latest?cb=20170928140158 11:14 https://addapinch.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/tortellini-soup-recipe_DSC2113.jpg 11:14 yum 11:14 so they wear cloth/leather/dragonhide hats/gloves/boots, but no tshirt/armor? 11:14 sounds cool 11:15 no shirts/body armor/cloaks/boots 11:15 in ad&d they cant wear anything except a shield 11:15 why no boots? i've got a sulcata right here and all four of his limbs are the same 11:15 yeah in d&d they can only wear shields 11:15 cuz they have big tortoise feet 11:15 5e 11:16 aka the only version that actually matters cuz all the old ones are obsolete 11:16 :) 11:16 then let em tie a tshirt on their tail as a bandana :-) 11:16 1e or die 11:16 o b s o l e t e 11:16 says the guy who is about to play 2e 11:17 did you notice the new object? :) 11:17 so they can wear elven hats, gloves of dex/pro/dbane, and nothing else? that is gonna be a world of shit 11:18 it should be not able to wear anything except a shield still imo :P but I guess we'll see 11:18 not finished reading through it yet 11:18 sounds like monks only 11:18 dbane/amulet of mr 11:18 do tortles have actual hands 11:18 what, how come monks only? 11:18 The goblin shaman casts a spell! The goblin shaman looks better. The goblin shaman dies from her illness. 11:19 at least she left a goodlooking corpse 11:19 goblin shaman owned 11:19 i dunno what krm26 is talking about 11:19 its not 'monks only' 11:20 amateurhour i thought about keeping it shield only, i'm not sure that wikll work in nethack setting 11:20 *will 11:21 it would be a lot easier if there were better shields 11:21 will they get intrinsic swimming? 11:21 yeah NetSysFire 11:21 and magical breathing 11:21 oooh 11:21 tf is a toque 11:21 googled it, u should use the scientific name 'bobble hat' 11:21 wow really 11:22 none of this weird slang 11:22 you dunno what a toque is 11:22 'beanie hat' is slang for a toque 11:23 i think it's regional 11:23 i always thought 'toque' was a canadian term 11:23 i meant it sounds like tortles will only be viable as monks 11:23 but it makes sense it'd be used in the northern US too like where you live, K2 11:23 when you think of a toque, think of this - https://ani-izzy.com/2013/04/13/so-about-those-jayne-hats/ 11:23 krm26 false 11:24 kobolds in grunthack had crazy armor restrictions as well, i've ascended those 11:24 what are their potential non-artifact sources of mr & refl? 11:24 amulet of MR shield of reflection 11:24 we've been over this with giants already 11:25 its no different 11:25 any ac via level up? didn't see it in the termbin 11:25 there's also reflection spell 11:25 amateurhour no, is that a thing in ad&d? 11:25 they already start with a naked AC of 0 11:25 I thought that's what we were planning on doing to give them 'natural armour' without being unbalanced 11:26 as they get older, their shells get harder? like old cranky guy? 11:26 like their natural armour gets better as they level up but doesn't start at like -20 ac or what have you 11:26 they only live till they're 50 and then they DIE 11:26 lol 11:26 tortoises live forever 11:27 which is why you want them in evil 11:27 i think a tortle is more closely related to a tortoise than a turtle 11:28 maybe it's a bit offensive to say that, like calling a scotsman english 11:28 i thought mobileuser was british.. ? 11:28 tortles gonna get an extra 10k turns of "hungry" before fainting? 11:28 :P 11:29 toque - https://anibundel.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/jaynehat.jpg?resize=364%2C354 11:29 mods r asleep post pictures of toques 11:30 you know who that character is right? 11:31 c'mon 11:31 no one here ever watched 'Firefly' ? 11:31 yeah, it's jayne 11:31 hell yeah 11:32 firefly was alright but gilmore girls is still the greatest tv show of all time 11:32 amateurhour, can tortles be barbarians you think? 11:32 yeah why not 11:32 just wondering what all roles they can be in your campaign 11:32 in 5e they can be anything 11:32 K2 dutch living in scotland 11:33 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcUs5X9glCc 11:33 lol 11:33 :P 11:34 is it true that the beer Heineken, loosely translated to english, means 'juice of the butt' ? 11:35 anything means 'juice of the butt' if you loosely translate it 11:35 yeah but for real 11:35 heinie ken 11:35 its also the unoffical beer of hawaii 11:35 *unofficial 11:36 Heineken - juice of the butt 11:36 if you ever want a good laugh, get Tangles started on the merits of Fosters :) 11:40 Hello wizard, welcome to EvilHack! You are a neutral male tortle Barbarian. 11:41 amateurhour, so if a tortle has ac increase as they level up, what in your opinion should the ac increase be from exp 1 to 30, and what range? 11:43 should be fairly simple to implement 11:43 hmmmm 11:43 right now they start with a naked ac of 0 11:44 what are normal ascension AC values? 11:44 -25 to -30 or better 11:44 keep in mind they can wear a hat/gloves/shield 11:44 what in the fresh heck how are you guys all ascending with like -60 ac 11:45 dragonhide 11:46 in 5e tortles start with a naked ac of 17 (equiv to -7 in nethack) 11:46 oh mobi once did a giant with 'only' -37 ac 11:46 heh 11:46 will amateurhour finally play evilhack seriously with the inclusion of tortles? will he?? 11:46 mobileuser wants to know 11:47 I started an evilhack game the other day as centaur monk 11:47 \o/ 11:47 shortly after ascending ndnh 11:47 nice 11:47 I got to minetown then got a case of the tireds 11:47 and congrats 11:47 i'm gonna need some help on implementing a tortle hiding in its shell 11:47 I was told that centaur monk is a lot easier than giant so willing to give it a go 11:47 yeah the only armor restriction there is boots 11:48 and jumping at exp lvl 5 is nice 11:49 hmm... how about one ac per level 11:49 what if it's 1 ac p- 11:49 yeah 11:49 lol 11:49 lol 11:49 OMFG WE SHARE A BRAIN 11:49 i am scared 11:49 you'd have crappy ac for the early and mid game 11:49 well, not much crappier than a monk really 11:50 a starting tortle monk would have =5 ac 11:50 -5ac 11:50 0 naked plus the enchanted hat/gloves 11:50 I keep thinking it's enforced nudist 11:50 maybe this... starting at exp level 5, 1 point of ac per level 11:51 so a potential extra 25 ac 11:51 pretty challenging still, which might be fine? 11:51 what do you think mobi? 11:52 having a naked ac of 0, a exp level 30 tortle would have -25 ac 11:53 that's pretty good imo 11:53 maybe it's too good considering boots and gloves are allowed 11:53 idk 11:55 just spent 20 rounds getting angrier and angrier trying to kick a steam cloud 11:55 breathe 11:55 amateurhour lemme kit out a lvl 30 tortle real quick with asc kit 11:55 see what we're working with 11:56 their max dex is 10 so they'll never get any dex bonus unless they wear gauntlets of dex 11:56 and they're slower than giants 11:56 speed of 8 (giants are 10, humans and the like are 12) 11:58 e - an uncursed +5 shield of reflection (being worn) (50 aum) 11:58 f - an uncursed +7 dragonhide elven helm (being worn) (4 aum) 11:58 g - an uncursed +5 pair of dragonhide gauntlets of protection (being worn) (20 aum) 11:58 -33 ac 11:58 w/ a naked ac of 0 11:59 if they found the hand of vecna and used it, could be -35 ac 11:59 no wait its still be smae 11:59 same 12:00 so yeah -33ac 12:00 but not every tortle player will want to use a shield 12:00 either a monk or may want to twoweapon (barb, arch) 12:00 hmm 12:00 whatcha think amateurhour 12:10 is it difficult enough to be interesting but still playable? 12:11 it should be - all of the giant ascensions should be proof of that 12:11 cooking tea atm sorry for slow replies 12:11 no worries 12:11 cant *really* know until its played seriously, but past experience says it should be fine 12:12 I mean that involves getting to xlvl 30, which I guess most evilhack players do..? 12:12 there's much greater incentive to reach max level in evilhack than in vanilla or other variants 12:13 I can't do it bcuz I'm trying for vegan and I'm not epic like VaderFLAG 12:14 maybe an increase of 10 ac points, spread out 12:14 starting at exp level 10 12:14 one for every 2 levels gained 12:15 I guess maybe just yolo it then rebalance once it's out 12:15 the beta never ends 12:16 but yeah i really want your feedback on this, because it was your idea :) and you actively play a tortle 12:16 bard is it? 12:17 you adding a bard class? now THAT is exciting 12:18 heh no 12:18 dnethack has that covered 12:18 only new role i'll be adding will be druid 12:29 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 12:30 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Cav Dwa Fem Neu) had a copper dagger entrusted to her by Ishtar, on T:24320 12:31 sigh 12:32 'Your protective shell deflects the newt's attack.' 12:32 heh 12:38 yeah I was playing tortle bard (with several extension books in play) it was pretty epic 12:39 we were playing through Descent into Avernus 12:39 https://dnd.wizards.com/products/tabletop-games/rpg-products/baldursgate_descent 12:42 awesome 12:43 I may commit what I have, just to have the base race done 12:43 and always tweak after the fact 12:43 and i'm saving player monster race tortle as a separate commit also 12:49 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Cav Dwa Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:25534 12:51 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 12:52 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Cav Dwa Fem Neu) killed the Rat King, on T:25643 13:09 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 13:17 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Cav Dwa Fem Neu) had a cloth studded armor entrusted to her by Ishtar, on T:27604 13:18 fgfgffffgfgfg 13:20 amateurhour, do tortles specialize in any kind of weapon? 13:20 I didnt see anything in that regard 13:20 I'm thinking spears/trident 13:21 mace 13:21 caltrops 13:21 the comb 13:22 staff, katana, nunchuks, sai 13:23 I don't think it was specified or anything 13:25 ok 13:28 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±15] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/0af6485da602...fb5a531e7863 13:28 [EvilHack] k21971 fb5a531 - Tortle as a playable race. 13:29 * K2 wants a sai 13:29 https://0x0.st/oqSL.jpg <-- my citation 13:29 hahahah 13:29 yup, let the ninja turtle jokes begin 13:30 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha), 0 points, T:10, killed by a sewer rat 13:30 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Neu) had a broadsword entrusted to him by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:46752 13:30 second broadswoard 13:30 c'mon 13:31 LAME 13:31 have you hit with a wielded weapon yet? 13:31 no 13:31 ok. this is 'fixed' in next version 13:31 im at knife, cloth armor, dagger, cloth armor for this caveman with keolew and graydsm 13:32 wait i lie, got a cloak of invis in there too, so not all total crao 13:37 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha), 701 points, T:1365, killed by a dwarf zombie 13:37 so i got the castle wand, but no id scrolls.. let's say it's 0:1 and I make a wish and then make another one.. It's going to wrest and disappear? 13:38 yup 13:38 i mean, try to wrest? like, I don't want to zap a 0:0 wand right? 13:38 zapping a 0:0 wand always wrests 13:39 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Cav Gia Fem Law), 1883 points, T:3829, killed by an Uruk-hai 13:41 so i will make first wish polymorph so i can get an identify scroll 13:41 (and charging) 13:41 [hdf-us] [evil] ssnufd (Rog Hob Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, acquiring a helm of speed, on T:19573 13:42 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha), 441 points, T:1032, killed by a gas cloud 13:44 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha), 162 points, T:745, crunched in the head by an iron ball 13:47 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed spellbook of polymorph", on T:47647 13:51 qt I got a weird one for you 13:51 aaaand i can't cast it at all lol 13:51 what is it? 13:51 whoops 13:51 start a game as a convict, then quit 13:51 gonna have to level up and get matter staff/HoB 13:51 tell me what you get in the terminal 13:51 at least i didn't wrest the damn wand 13:52 nothing 13:52 it's normal 13:52 but I haven't pulled down all the recent commits yet 13:52 i get this - https://termbin.com/ixgy 13:52 hmm 13:52 interesting 13:53 yeah 13:53 i just pulled the recent commits and I don't get that 13:53 its not printed in game 13:53 is it printed in the terminal, or just in the paniclog? 13:53 terminal 13:53 lemme check paniclog 13:54 oh i'm dead 13:54 yeah its in paniclog too 13:54 1648490029 wizard: impossible dealloc_obj called on uchain, owornmask=800000 13:54 1648490029 wizard: impossible dealloc_obj called on uball, owornmask=400000 13:54 it's very odd that I am not having this problem. you get it consistently every time you play as a convict and immediately quit? 13:54 is the valley gehennom as far as praying goes? 13:54 i can't pray huh? 13:55 qt yes 13:55 enjoy the bones 13:55 CAN I PRAY 13:55 motherufkcer i ;lakdh akh gja;gdkhj;akjgh ;akjh ;akhg j;kahgj a;gh ab 13:55 the valley counts as being in gehennom 13:55 yeah. oh well 13:55 i can't reproduce it at all, weird 13:56 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Neu), 552130 points, T:47769, killed by a weredemon 13:56 so unless you're wearing the mitre of holiness, dont pray 13:56 !lastgame 13:56 rebatela: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/r/rebatela/evilhack/dumplog/1644820551.evil.html :: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/l/lacca/evilhack/dumplog/1648489342.evil.html :: [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/j/joes/evilhack/dumplog/1648225772.evil.html 13:56 k2 if you stash any changes you've made currently and recompile, you still get it? 13:56 i forgot that the stairs were surrounded by weredemons and i levelprted there 13:56 qt i've seen this for awhile 13:56 oh 13:56 lemme recompile 0.7.1 branch and see if it happens there 13:56 actually you know what 13:56 i just recompiled and i do get it now 13:57 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha), 1391 points, T:2827, killed by a hobbit zombie 13:57 so it's something from within the past 20 commits or so that caused it 13:57 hmm 13:57 so i had found genocide and the wand was indeed 0:0 13:57 i'll run git bisect 13:57 ok 13:57 and crap i forgot to make the tortle tilemap 13:58 that is neat that you made it so you can pray with the mitre though! 13:58 * rebatela approves! 13:59 that's a change that should work it's way into vanilla 13:59 oh ugh 14:00 Hm? 14:00 the reason is because the error message itself was just added in 30db4563 14:01 i wonder if this occurs in vanilla 14:02