00:32 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Pri Ith Fem Cha) had a pair of old gloves entrusted to her by Set, on T:46238 00:32 gauntlets of dex 00:32 +4 00:33 aaaa wtf set 00:35 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Pri Ith Fem Cha) murdered her faithful gnoll, on T:46984 00:35 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Pri Ith Fem Cha) murdered her faithful gnoll, on T:46986 00:35 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Pri Ith Fem Cha) murdered her faithful gnoll, on T:46988 00:44 well petless conduct lost but i am still living 00:49 \o/ 00:50 f - the cursed +0 Hand of Vecna (merged to your left arm) (10 aum) 00:52 fuck i am a wererat 00:57 this is it 00:57 2 hp 00:58 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Pri Ith Fem Cha), 54920 points, T:50008, killed by a silver elven arrow 00:58 !lastgame NetSysFire 00:58 NetSysFire: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/N/NetSysFire/evilhack/dumplog/1647904286.evil.html 01:01 !whereis K2 01:01 NetSysFire: K2 is not playing. 01:03 imagine having gungnir as a valkyrie 01:03 heh 01:03 doh you died 01:04 did you hang out on lvl 1 again? 01:42 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:43 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 02:08 ooof i gotta get to bed. gnite 02:37 [hdf-us] [evil] eraserhead97 (Inf Hum Fem Una), 875 points, T:990, killed by a sewer rat, while praying 03:28 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 03:52 -!- elenmirie has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:52 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #evilhack 03:52 -!- elenmirie_ is now known as elenmirie 04:04 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Ping timeout (120 seconds)] 04:05 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 04:15 !tell bouquet the alhoon pet was coplate's, VaderFLAG was a victim. 04:15 No worries, mobileuser, I've got this! 04:16 or maybe... 04:16 !tell bouquet_ the alhoon pet was coplate's, VaderFLAG was a victim. 04:16 I'm on it, mobileuser. 05:32 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Con Orc Mal Cha) averted death (killed by a white unicorn), on T:4329 06:16 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Con Orc Mal Cha), 5496 points, T:7181, killed by a giant mosquito 06:42 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Cav Gia Fem Law) murdered Slasher, her faithful little dog, on T:4306 06:44 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Cav Gia Fem Law), 2282 points, T:4441, killed by a disenchanter 07:36 so NetSysFire, what is the deal with the level 1 camping? 07:38 haaaaaay 07:39 https://www.hardfought.org/phpBB3/gallery/image/2610/source 07:45 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Hea Cen Fem Neu) had a dagger entrusted to her by Hermes, on T:2337 08:02 g - a mummified hand named The Hand of Vecna (10 aum). 08:03 g - the uncursed +0 Hand of Vecna (merged to your left arm) (10 aum) 08:03 merged to or merged onto? 08:03 hmm 08:05 (replacing your left hand) 08:06 Yeah, is it a mummy hand that is like an extra hand sticking off, or did you have to cut your old hand off first? 08:06 you had to cut your hand off 08:07 as far as game mechanics go, you're not actually cutting off your left hand 08:07 that isnt a thing 08:08 (subsuming your left hand) 08:08 (coterminal with your left hand) 08:08 they're currently a pair of gloves, when you put them on, you'll get feedback about removing your left hand and replacing it with the hand 08:08 (of vecna) 08:08 (all up in your left hand, bitch) 08:08 lol wat 08:09 my suggestions are uniformly excellent, bitch 08:09 eat your snickers betty white 08:09 i think that is a bastardized quote from some bad 80s movie, like better off dead m aybe 08:09 and by "bad" i mean "awesome" 08:10 heheh 08:11 lemme show you what I have so far code wise 08:12 hardfought seems to be struggling right now 08:12 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 08:12 what do you mean 08:13 https://termbin.com/4rza <--- work so far on hand of vecna 08:13 high latency response, without high latency ping 08:13 i see why 08:13 old setseed game process is hung 08:13 taking up an entire core 08:14 heh 08:14 and now its not :) 08:14 so, i THINK that the hand of vecna actually granted 20 str, not 25? not sure you care 08:14 thanks krm26 08:14 live to whine, whine to live 08:15 krm26 yeah I am allowed some creative license :) having it act like GoP is fine 08:16 i'm not done tweaking what all it can or cant do yet 08:16 how does the added cold damage work if you are already swinging frost brand? 08:16 i'm trying to stay close to this - https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Hand_of_Vecna 08:16 but of course some of that wont translate well to nethack 08:17 i had suggested having it reduce the spell cost of finger of death, sleep, slow, and teleport away 08:17 the wielding a cold based weapon, havent gotten that far yet 08:17 that's a good idea 08:17 to make them cheaper, rather than granting them 08:17 i was going to have it boost damage output for cone of cold 08:18 gotta make it undeterioratable too 08:18 adding the cold damage bit was the last thing i did before going to bed at 2;30 this morning 08:18 so sleepy 08:18 will it only add cold damage for OH weapon? 08:18 is every character in nethack right-hand-dominant? :-) 08:19 first they came for our gender identity! then they came for our handedness! 08:20 it'll apply no matter what you're wielding. or even without wielding a weapon 08:20 or not wielding anything 08:21 you can enchant it up to +7 08:21 dunno if you caught that 08:23 anyways, still a WIP 08:23 and when you face Vecna, once he's destroyed, he'll drop either the eye or the hand (50% chance of either) 08:23 it should wrap to -15 instead of evaporating from enchantment :-) and then resist cancellation 08:24 now THAT guaranteed drop change is AMAZING 08:25 oh i had some fab idea for the incoming dsm change, to grant some uberthing when wearing X scales with X-scaled-armor 08:25 like breathweapon, etc 08:26 dont see me going there with that 08:26 thats like the half dragon player race in dnethack and other variants 08:27 time for me to play schoolbus 08:27 \o/ 08:27 -!- qt has joined #evilhack 08:43 force bolt monster spell.. uh oh 08:43 rebatela: Message from Umbire at 2022-03-21 13:18 EDT: https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/324d4b2d8f37b1459e4c29b8459c90a42633fbdc Old commit on the wand of fire thing 08:44 ha! so adjustments were indeed made after my splizatt. i don't like that lol (j/k) 08:44 did i whine? 08:45 that's a long time ago 08:45 but i'm reading the etherpad and FB monster spell? RIP boulder fort 08:46 i love giants kicking boulders though! 08:46 just play giant and make your boulders shatterproof :b 08:48 i haven't ascended in a while. i better get one in. when does the new version come out? before june? 08:59 you can't rush an artist 09:16 hah. yeah, no hurries k2 09:17 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Hea Cen Fem Neu) became literate by reading a book, on T:3939 09:17 you know he's "not a programmer" ? (you're a programmer, k2) 09:17 i'm not a programmer 09:18 i don't need any other software. if you can make nethack for me, you're a programmer in my world 09:19 NOW, to tame this titan.. famous last words 09:24 "The Taming of the Titan", by _ Rebatela. "Sit by my side, and let the world slip: we shall ne'er be younger..." 09:29 awesome, quote shakespeare, get a fountain wish 09:30 LOL 09:30 yeah first try didn't go well.. barely escaped (thank you digging wand) 09:30 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Hea Cen Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed greased +3 gray dragon scale mail", on T:4454 09:30 tried magic harp a couple times and it cursed it... 09:30 then summoned 09:30 black dragons etc 09:31 cursed magic harps still work? aren't they one of the dont-care-about-BUC items? 09:31 oh maybe they do 09:31 i wasn't gonna waste a turn trying 09:32 i could have wielded it and cast remove curse (like i'm about to do) but it wasn't the place or time 09:32 actually if clerical is at skilled it acts as blessed 09:32 so one turn 09:32 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Hea Cen Fem Neu) destroyed eraserhead97's ghost, the former Heathen, on T:4523 09:32 i could have done that, but the harp wasn't working either 09:32 i can cast charm, but it's like 76% fail or something 09:33 i don't think there is any functional difference between a harp charge and charm monster? 09:33 i need that staff or level up or HoB 09:33 well when you're high level the harp works with some crazy radius like over xl 25 09:33 you could drain his level a few times and then try charming again -- but you get a weaker pet out of it 09:33 i'm not sure if charm works the same 09:34 no, the harp has a unique are of effect, but i think its chances within that area are the same as the spell 09:34 right as far as the monster's resistance? 09:34 yeah 09:34 indeed 09:34 the harp is nowhere near as good aoe as a confused scroll tho 09:34 at least that's what i've always thought 09:34 not sure 09:35 jeez, infidel bones are just too good -- oilskin bag, charging, fire horn, cloak of protection 09:35 i love having the harp on astral 09:35 i've become addicted to 2 cursed genocide for woolly mammoth, confused scroll of taming to start astral out 09:35 then i just keep whistling my walls of mammoth around me 09:35 yeah. i mean i do it with the harp but you get enough turns that taming the wooly's is easy enough 09:35 i don't always have the harp 09:36 but i like to polypile for one if i can 09:36 1 confused scroll of taming, boom, done 09:36 it's OP 09:36 harping tourist with the pyec is pretty gross 09:36 yeah it's OP. it's YOUR freaking trick. go get it nerfed lol 09:37 i was using wooly's as pets before you did woolly rain though 09:37 i love those things 09:37 that's how i DO that ice queen level usually i tame all the woolys... 09:37 i think it is an issue that should be addressed, but maybe just with an astral hack 09:37 like astral gives a bonus mc to all monsters, or charm has a restricted radius of 1 on astral, etc. 09:38 or pets go feral super-fast on astral 09:38 don't want to totally screw over the conduct monkeys tho 09:40 I've suggested a maximum number of pets before 09:40 this dumb titan. if he only knew all the gear i had in my bag for him. come join the team! 09:40 but he looks at me and I'm like Walmart. He doesn't want to join the team 09:40 pets could be competitive -- each turn they spend next to another pet, they lose 1 tameness pt 09:40 he can heal himself, cast finger of death. he doesn't need me 09:40 i even brought the titan a sack 09:41 i still have a lamp. i might wish for polymorph and go back to my stash. beef up a bit. learn some spells 09:42 or i can do castle alone and go back for the titan. I also have that balrog figurine. they make great pets, right? 09:42 not as good as titans but pretty nice 09:42 slow 09:43 maybe if i model these dragonhide high boots for him, he will get the hint 09:43 btw rebatela I never managed to polypile the harp or the scroll last asc, but thankfully I found charm monster :-) 09:43 i got him a sword. armor. there might be an amulet in the deal 09:43 oh nice! 09:43 want to talk OP? charm monster. even in vanilla. it's crazy 09:44 didn't evilhack raise the spell level? 09:44 yep 09:44 5 09:44 vanilla it's 3 09:44 also sleep is two in evil 09:44 also very powerful spell 09:45 i know it in this game. so i should just get my stats better /HoB or the staff and go back for titan when i can actually cast it 09:45 (charm) 09:46 krm26 evilhack improved the speed of balrogs 09:46 makes them more dangerous, but also better pets 09:47 giant infidel called Vovog the Splanchomancer 09:50 oh that's right. ki-rin and master mind flayer at the castle that's why i bailed. well i'm gonna see if the balrog can help 09:50 they can't wear armor etc. right ? 09:50 but they don't have to eat? 09:52 too big for body armor/cloaks 09:58 suddenly jerry (balrog) disappears out of sight 09:58 nooooooooo 09:59 he's not on the next few levels down 09:59 so level teleporter? 09:59 wtf 10:00 it means either trap door or tele trap right ? 10:01 he must have gone up 10:01 yes, probably levelport then 10:01 cuz i went down and i don't see him.. dammit 10:02 although if he's gone tame the whistle wont work. ah well 10:02 that will be what kills me when i'm coming up wth the amulet 10:04 [hdf-eu] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) became Chih Sung-tzu's Envoy of Balance, on T:46969 10:05 ugh 10:10 why ugh? 10:11 crowned before he finished mining the god for trinkets i guess 10:13 yeah i want dragonbane. just more turns if i'm gonna do the altar work 10:13 i might wish for it right now 10:13 getting gifts from saccing is not harder. 10:13 debating between dragonbane and polymorph 10:13 might not even get the wish (lamp) 10:13 [hdf-eu] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed spellbook of polymorph", on T:47176 10:14 the timeout after praying gets much longer, but not the timeout after receiving a gift. 10:14 oh that's good to know 10:15 but yeah it's the prayer timeout 10:15 but honestly i was praying there to restore stats so maybe getting that spellbook wasn't so bad... 10:15 they brought my stats back and gave me the book so it makes it so you really don't have to pray anymore 10:15 pre unihorn nerf that spell was useless 10:16 yeah restore ability spell is so nice 10:16 indeed 10:17 my alhoon monk was always satiated, so I had to cast it a lot :-) 10:17 ouch, level 7, coplate ghost, Gutso ghost, disenchanter!?!, giants, gnolls -- my healer can't hack this 10:17 oof 10:18 haha i just cast knock 50 times in a row to train matter to basic and polymorph went from 87% fail to 84% fail ! 10:18 i can dig down but there will be no return 10:19 congrats rebatela 10:19 movin' on up in the world 10:21 ah yes, Gutso with the "dick" fruit 10:22 whoa just got dragonhide speed boots from polypiling... 10:22 first zap 10:22 (cast) 10:23 +2 10:23 damn, sweet 10:23 well, that saves a wish... i had +5 fireproof regular speed boots 10:23 (of course) 10:24 i can give them to the titan when i tame 10:25 wow, i've never gotten dragonhide anything from polypiling 10:25 i guess i tend not to ever bother with armor tho 10:25 just edible rings and amulets, and turning 0:15 wands into death and teleport 10:28 oh found the balrog up near mines entrance 10:28 ugh i don't want to kill it 10:29 i don't think i've ever gotten dragonhide either 10:29 and i've polymorphed dragonhide stuff, but i don't think that helps (that would be cool though if dragonhide stuff was more likely to change into dragonhide stuff) 10:30 it was just magical armor becoming magical armor and i guess there's a slight chance it can be material 10:35 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Hea Cen Fem Neu) destroyed the invisible coplate's ghost, the former Conjurer, on T:6216 10:38 well this is no good...one charge of my wand of sleep kept the disenchanter asleep for 30 turns, enough time for me to do 10 damage to its 80 hp :-/ 10:40 infidel bones fire horn to the rescue! 10:41 what are my options for uncursing barding worn by my horsey? 10:42 a nasty archon cast a spell that cursed it 10:42 actually it was a ki-rin 10:42 cancellation? 10:43 that won't have some bad effect on my pet itself? it's actually a pegasus, not a horse 10:47 I guess cursed barding isn't so bad really 10:47 it's not like a cursed saddle 10:47 I can still ride the pegasus 10:48 yeah, cursed barding generally doesn't mean much 10:48 how often do you redress your mount 10:50 redress like change its clothes or redress like right the wrongs I've done to it? 10:50 well, either way, pretty much never 10:53 oh god i just cast force bolt accidentally at my boulder stash 10:53 i thought i was in the + menu changing the order 10:53 and of course it aims at my stash 10:53 or i did i guess 10:53 F 10:54 lost most of my potions 10:54 (at least it wasn't polymorph) 10:54 50k turns worth of potions 10:54 i was just about to do alchemy too 10:56 i can't believe i just did that 10:56 damn 10:56 that sucks rebatela 10:57 meh. like i said it COULD have been polymorph. that's worse because i would have lost my spellbooks. 10:57 potions are recoverable (just gonna be a loooong game lol) 10:57 i wish it had happened right AFTER I did alchemy and not before but oh well 10:58 crystal chest is the way to go 10:58 i didn't bother learning wiz lock 10:58 that's the trick you learn knock and wiz lock and nothing can F with those boxes 10:58 (even yourself...) 10:59 then knock expires and your spellbook is in your crystal chest 10:59 hehe 10:59 it's very low ink to write 10:59 spellbook of knock under crystal chest is the way 11:00 spellbook of knock, crystal chest, room entirely filled with boulders. and underwater 11:00 lol 11:00 i dont worry about fing up my stash, i'm 10x more likely to blow up a bag of holding 11:01 although my inventory clown colors nethackrc has reduced my odds a bit 11:03 i had a monster zap polymorph while i was standing on my stash in soko once and the entire thing turned into like a tin opner or something 11:07 i lost it. i think that was before i had ever ascended 11:07 i'm at like 100k turns and that happens 11:08 but you can't destroy the bell or the candle (or amulet) that way, so never #quit! 11:40 -!- krm26_ has joined #evilhack 11:44 -!- krm26 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:47 oh wow! healers can use short swords? 11:47 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 3498 points, T:2101, zombified by an orc zombie, while dragging an iron ball 11:54 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Hea Cen Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:8584 11:58 yeah healers can use pointy things 12:10 jeez a blessed magic lamp in the mines too -- i'm starting to get worried 12:12 Yes, that's vanilla 12:13 healer in this only class i've never really run in the zillion years i've been playing 12:13 -!- krm26_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:14 -!- krm26 has joined #evilhack 12:14 -!- amateurhour has joined #evilhack 12:15 krm26_ easier to get non-metal armor in evilhack so you can keep casting those healing spells. I like healer. 12:16 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:16 oh it's krm26 again :-) 12:18 heh 12:19 i just noticed i'd gotten underscored 12:19 not gonna stand for THAT nonsense 12:20 i wish there was more mechanics differentiation in the different spell school levels 12:21 if you 'wear' the hand of vecna, should this be 1) you can never take it off again because its fused to your body or 2) you can take it off, but if you do, you die 12:21 what happens with poly 12:21 heh 12:21 never take it off 12:21 what if u poly into something with no arms 12:21 in ad&d land, once you remove the hand, d - e - d dead 12:22 we have #quit for suicide, don't need another method 12:22 hmm 12:22 i dunno 12:22 you can wear gloves in addition to the hand? or does it replace gloves? 12:23 they are technically gloves 12:24 in d7d if you tried to wear gloves over the Hand, bad things happened, and it wouldnt let you 12:24 d&d 12:24 so they are gloves, but will it make sense for them to screw with rings when they are cursed? 12:25 gdammit 12:25 might need a hack there 12:25 rings 12:25 the Most Difficult implementation: can still wear gloves, but only on one hand, get half benefit :-) 12:25 yeah, the Hand as a gloves may not be a good idea 12:25 *as gloves 12:26 might be simpler to have it as a food object like the eye 12:26 so with hand equipped and cursed gloves you can't get to your right ring only :-) 12:26 that's what slashem did :) 12:26 i concur with the food analysis -- it is like consumption, chopping off a hand and replacing it 12:26 the eye should work that way too, should have inferior or no benefits when carried 12:27 gotta gouge out your eye 12:27 but you cant lose body parts in nethack 12:27 its not a thing 12:27 you can't 12:27 ...yet 12:27 no, it is just syntactic sugar in the messages when you "consume" them. grant intrinsics 12:28 e what? eye "You pop your left eye from its socket. The eye of vecna squirms into place" 12:28 this is what I have so far - https://termbin.com/5vdlp 12:28 very much a work in progress still 12:29 i think it would be awesome to only get the benefit of the right glove when you have gained the hand intrinsic :-) 12:29 50% chance of dragonbane reflection! 12:29 lol 12:29 errmahgerd SMOP 12:30 the hand should slowly deteriorate whatever ring you place on it 12:30 oooo 12:30 the Hand actually replacing a regular hand, that's not happening 12:30 unerodable ring when 12:30 actually that exists in xnh now 12:30 oh come on k2 i believe in you 12:31 xnh has a ring that never erodes? 12:31 when you press ctrl-x you just see "Your left hand has been replaced with the withered Hand of Vecna." 12:31 so its an inventory object you can never drop? 12:32 prolly just sets a flag somewhere like u.uwerecrazyenoughtochopoffurhand 12:32 nope, "eat" it (chop off your hand and replace) -- just a new status 12:32 yes what amateurhour said 12:33 interestingly (or not), in avatar, one of the first multiplayer dungeon-crawlers back in the PLATO days, "Hands" was actually an item in your first item slot 12:33 if you meleed and had bad luck they would change to "Damaged Hands" 12:33 heh 12:33 if you were different races, you would have racial hands displayed 12:33 and the ninja class could find and use different cooler hands in the dungeon 12:33 i think i may try to keep these as 'gloves' 12:33 (although your racial hands were left in slot 1) 12:34 when will evilhack have lychanmeleons where they are both chameleons and lycanthropes 12:34 having them that way makes so many things easy 12:34 you could instead make it a tool like a blindfold with its own use slot 12:35 invent an entirely new slot 12:35 SMOP 12:35 i guess i am too old and unhip to recognize smop 12:35 shake my obligatory penis? 12:35 your faith in my abilities warms my evil heart 12:36 SMOP is relative, in relation to the person doing the coding 12:36 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had a pair of fencing gloves entrusted to him by Huan Ti, on T:1538 12:36 oh i bet adding a new slot is eazy, although it might break saves? i haven't looked at that code 12:36 smell my old pants 12:36 eww 12:36 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small_matter_of_programming krm26 12:36 you said it, not me. i was just explaining its meaning to krm26 12:36 save breaking right now is fine krm26, this is all for new version 12:39 yeah bet you can just add something to uprops for chopping off your hand, and something else for gouging out your eye 12:41 def breaks saves 12:42 wait qt, it REALLY means "smell my old pants"? What does THAT mean? 12:42 why are they old? 12:42 i'm so lost 12:42 :V 12:43 it's really the thing amateurhour linked 12:44 except when I use it, since I always mean 'smell my old pants' 12:44 jeez i totally missed that 12:44 -!- Umbire has quit [Quit: Umbire zaps a wand of digging!] 12:44 how have i worked in software engineering since 1983 and never once encountered that 12:45 i guess you only deal with large matters of programming 12:46 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 2448 points, T:2452, zapped himself with a wand 12:48 K2: you can erodeproof rings and other destroyables in xnh to make them no longer destroyable 12:49 rings don't *erode* at all, this just protects them from exploding due to lightning 12:51 when someone in marketing or support or whatevs thought something just awful to implement would be no problem we always used to call it a "xap" (i.e. they want both x and p at the same time) 12:51 in retrospect we might have too many people with physics degrees 12:53 gotcha 12:57 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Hea Cen Fem Neu) destroyed the invisible coplate's ghost, the former Conjurer, on T:9573 12:57 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 12:58 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 2577 points, T:1902, killed by a land mine 13:13 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 2178 points, T:2813, zombified by a kobold zombie 13:16 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Gno Fem Cha), 4648 points, T:2267, fell into a pit of iron spikes 13:32 -!- tsadok_ is now known as jonadab 13:33 figured out the poly bit 13:34