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07:05 <krm26> grr, no altars in this infidel game. is there an altar in the first infidel quest level?
07:16 <Umbire> Yes
07:17 <krm26> Guess I better use that one if i can find a monster
07:19 <krm26> dammit quest leader won't move
07:19 <krm26> oh well, so much for my god
07:19 <K2> chat him
07:19 <krm26> can't, low level -- instant teleport
07:19 <krm26> i thought it was only the first time but he just did it again
07:20 <krm26> maybe it was because i was burdened with a corpse
07:21 <krm26> that was it, was just my slow speed
07:22 <krm26> unfortunately i lost my only available sacrifice...guess i'll hang out for an elf storm
07:22 <mobileuser> krm26 you can sac agents and champions there?
07:22 <mobileuser> thet show up pretty often there
07:22 <mobileuser> *they
07:23 <krm26> i assume so. nothing here right now but peaceful cultists tho and at turn 7300. nothing to do but wait
07:25 <krm26> hah, stupid agent didn't leave a corpse. bloody infidels man
07:25 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Inf Ith Fem Una) eschewed atheism, by dropping a warg corpse on an altar, on T:7399
07:27 <krm26> 0/2
07:30 <krm26> ARH finally got a corpse to the altar and when i dropped it the archbishop teleported me out
07:30 <krm26> sunofa
07:31 <Umbire> did they somehow autochat?
07:31 <Umbire> !whereis krm26
07:31 <Hecubus> Umbire: [hdf-us] krm26 [evil]: (Inf Ith Fem Una) T:7712 The Quest level: 14 (with Amulet)
07:32 <Umbire> Right, that doesn't give XL
07:32 <Umbire> There you go
07:32 <Umbire> That should at least let you 'accept' the Quest
07:33 <krm26> ok jesus got one sac off
07:33 <krm26> if i let the archbishop get a round off next to me then he poofs me out, what a pain
07:34 <Umbire> You're XL 10 now so that shouldn't be an issue any longer
07:34 <Umbire> Unless you have alignment troubles
07:37 <krm26> i assume when i get agents to kill cultists i can sac the cultists without issue?
07:38 <Umbire> Wouldn't know, never seen anyone sac quest guardians
07:38 <Umbire> much less Infidel oncs
07:38 <Umbire> ones*
07:56 <krm26> K2? Am I gonna tank my first halfway-tolerable infidel run by sacrificing a cultist? i think it should be fine
08:03 <krm26> seemed ok
08:05 <krm26> hm, so there was a timed-out agent corpse on the altar, and i dropped a fresh one on, and they stacked and were treated as timed out. is that known behavior?
08:07 <Umbire> Yes
08:07 <Umbire> Pretty established vanilla behavior
08:19 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 7701 points, T:6838, killed by a giant leech
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08:32 <mobileuser> something I mostly notice with fresh lizards (since I always have an old one in inventory)
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08:32 <Umbire> Mhm
09:28 <K2> i think that may be fixed in 3.7
09:28 <K2> i've noticed corpses dont auto stack like they used to
09:30 <Umbire> it is, I think
09:34 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 0 points, T:1, killed by a scroll of genocide
09:34 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (humans), on T:1
09:45 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Inf Ith Fem Una) had a dagger entrusted to her by Moloch, on T:9886
09:47 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Hob Fem Neu), 220 points, T:1157, killed by a crossbow bolt
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11:26 * K2 waves
11:26 <Umbire> o/
11:27 <Umbire> I gots a question
11:27 <K2> ok
11:27 <Umbire>  <Umbire> https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/blob/master/src/makemon.c#L1948 for code folks in here
11:27 <Umbire> ^ Vecna always generates with an eroded robe of decay and a ring of slow digestion
11:27 <Umbire> is that the correct read of the code?
11:28 <K2> yes
11:28 <krm26> yup
11:28 <Umbire> Coo
11:29 <krm26> if that eroded robe of decay were almost anywhere else it would be hella-cool...to wear for the vecna levels :-(
11:29 <Umbire>            curse(otmp);
11:29 <Umbire>             (void) mpickobj(mtmp, otmp); what's this bit mean
11:30 <Umbire> lol nice typing me
11:30 <Umbire> I wanna say it curses the robe
11:30 <K2> curse(otmp); <--- makes the object in question cursed
11:31 <K2> (void) mpickobj(mtmp, otmp); <--- makes the the monster in question use the object in question
11:31 <Umbire> i.e. put on the robe and ring
11:31 <Umbire> ?
11:31 <K2> robe
11:32 <Umbire> right, so acts on stuff before
11:32 <K2> otmp = mksobj(ROBE, FALSE, FALSE);
11:32 <Umbire> got it
11:32 <K2> qt have you seen what was recently added to 3.7?
11:33 <K2> https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/greyhawk/images/e/ee/Vecna.png/revision/latest?cb=20181108094241 <--- vecna. wearing a tattered, rotted robe
11:36 <Umbire> figured it was based off an artwork
11:36 <Umbire> https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Vecna for the expert players to improve on :B
11:39 <Umbire> K2: is the temple priest of Moloch opposite Kathryn meant to be a servant of that witch what cursed her?
11:40 <krm26> mm, as an illithid do mind flayers still dine on my sweet sweet brain meat?
11:41 <K2> Umbire yeah kinda
11:42 <Umbire> No, you're immune
11:42 <Umbire> Psychic resistance
11:42 <Umbire> K2: I ask because I just got an idea in my head about them turning hostile high priest-style if you defeat the Ice Queen
11:43 <Umbire> though idk if players wanna kill a protection source
11:43 <Umbire> (then again VotD tends to be right there)
11:43 <Umbire> could make it another infidel alternate thing...?
11:43 <Umbire> hmmm
11:45 <Umbire> (if you make it anything that is)
11:52 <qt> K2: what was recently added to 3.7?
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11:52 <Umbire> oh yeah, Kathryn retains her stuff from her Ice Queen form when defeated, right?
11:52 <Umbire> or no
11:55 <K2> telekinesis :)
11:55 <K2> Umbire yes
11:56 <qt> K2: just as a debug command though, right?
11:56 <Umbire> and what if you managed to bullwhip, say, the athame off her person beforehand?
11:56 <Umbire> qt: nope, we're getting psionics in evil :P
11:56 <Umbire> /j
11:56 <K2> qt yeah but there's some potential here
11:57 <amateurhour> clearly getting ready to add the jedi patch
11:57 <Umbire> amateurhour: now we're cooking
11:57 <K2> paxed also identified and fixed a bug I was seeing while fuzzing
11:58 <K2> i added #wiztelekinesis to evilhack - https://termbin.com/tw2l
11:58 <K2> one issue I have though, not sure why its happening
11:58 <amateurhour> it's good for testing mhurtle because there was barely any ways in which it could occur in fuzzing
11:59 <K2> in Vlad's cavern, if a monster murtles into another monster and both are in the air, I get that 'placing monsters on another monster' program in disorder bit
11:59 <K2> murtles hah
11:59 <K2> hurtles
11:59 <amateurhour> hortles
11:59 <amateurhour> tortles
11:59 <amateurhour> \o/
11:59 <K2> lol
11:59 <amateurhour> I chortled
12:00 <K2> I hope no one shortled
12:00 * Umbire cortles
12:00 <amateurhour> K2 did you see the death reverting from poly yesterday?
12:00 <K2> yes
12:00 <K2> i thinkt hat's fixed in next version
12:00 <Umbire> died reverting to unhealthy form?
12:00 <Umbire> K2: also forgot to tag you re: the athame question above
12:00 <K2> i mentioned that like 20 sec after you left
12:00 <amateurhour> I don't think they drank lava
12:00 <amateurhour> oh right will go read irclog
12:00 <Umbire> same
12:01 <K2> athame?
12:01 <K2> oh
12:01 <K2> yeah you could steal it from her
12:01 <Umbire> could
12:01 <Umbire> but that would be mean.
12:01 <K2> when kathryn transforms from ice queen to enchantress, her inventory doesnt change
12:01 <amateurhour> well if it's fixed then that'd explain why I can't reproduce it :P
12:02 <K2> hahah
12:02 <K2> you have the 0.8.0 build i assume
12:02 <amateurhour> yeah latest is greatest and all that
12:02 <K2> gotcha
12:02 <K2> #wiztelekinesis is FUN btw
12:03 <K2> just testing it is hilarious
12:03 <K2> omg this mountain dwarf is zooming all over the place aaaahhh
12:04 <K2> oh yeah, working on this, noticing and fixed a bug with the player being hurtled in vlad's cavern
12:04 <K2> https://termbin.com/xbzk
12:05 <K2> if you were on solid ground and a monster with clobber attack knocked you backwards into air terrain, you wouldnt fall until you tried to move
12:06 <krm26> that the coyote rule
12:06 <qt> yeah the telekinesis thing is funny
12:06 <qt> krm26: lol
12:06 <krm26> only fix that bug when you ARENT hallucinating!
12:06 <qt> why can't i hurtle myself
12:07 <qt> with telekinesis :(
12:07 <K2> i tried that hah
12:12 <qt> https://termbin.com/8r2u the power... is mine
12:13 <qt> very fun
12:14 <K2> hahah
12:15 <qt> this should be a new class, just hurtle everywhere and bang into walls instead of walking
12:15 <qt> amy if you're reading this, could be a great addition to slex
12:15 <qt> i die in like 5 moves as a level 1 archeologist
12:15 <qt> and it's impossible to get to the door
12:16 <amateurhour> ice sliding puzzle but it's mhurtling urself instead of sliding on ice
12:16 <qt> exactly
12:16 <krm26> is she still developing slex? did she de-nuclear-option herself?
12:17 <amateurhour> yes slex is being worked on still, some of the BS instadeath has been removed (paralysis no longer lasts an extraordinary amount of time)
12:17 <qt> actually i've been able to explore this level to this extent just by hurtling myself around, not too bad https://0x0.st/oK1i.png
12:17 <qt> however i have died about 25 times
12:17 <qt> from crushing my skull against walls
12:18 <K2> lol
12:18 <K2> that's what i'm doing now
12:18 <K2> hurtling myself into stuff
12:18 <krm26> ugggh want the bag of holding so bad but i should really go for the 50% shot at reflection
12:18 <K2> try it as a convict
12:18 <krm26> sophieban
12:18 <Umbire> she de-nuclear-optioned herself a good while ago I think, once it became clear there wasn't gonna be enough outcry over her departing
12:18 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Inf Ith Fem Una) completed Sokoban, acquiring a gold amulet of magic resistance, on T:14822
12:18 <Umbire> I think?
12:18 <K2> qt, hutle a monster into another monster in vlad's cavern
12:19 <K2> hurtle
12:19 <krm26> fkgjhdfgkjf GOLD amulets
12:19 <K2> huddle
12:19 <Umbire> also a hurtler role would be just levitator with extra steps I think
12:20 <qt> k2 did you add this to evilhack?
12:20 <K2> not yet
12:20 <qt> how can I try it in vlad's cavern then? answer me that
12:20 <K2> patch this - https://termbin.com/ecqw
12:21 <K2> i added your self hurtle bit
12:23 <K2> one thing I want to do with this - if you have expert (or skilled?) in attack spells, force bolt will knock a monster back
12:24 <K2> maybe a blessed wand of striking
12:24 <Umbire> o:
12:24 <krm26> boo no
12:24 <K2> no boo
12:24 <K2> much yay
12:24 <krm26> instead add 2 new matter spells, "push" and "pull"
12:25 <krm26> pacifists would go apeshit
12:25 <K2> illithids at exp level 20 gain telekinesis
12:25 <K2> there ya go
12:25 <K2> OP abilities for everyone
12:25 <amateurhour> > everyone
12:25 <amateurhour> > only illithids
12:26 <amateurhour> :P
12:26 <K2> but everyone will want to be an iliithid
12:26 <Umbire> ^
12:26 <K2> ergo, everyone
12:26 <amateurhour> btw turboknockback is busted af
12:26 <amateurhour> dnh added artifact boots that mhurtle enemies when you kick them
12:26 <amateurhour> they had to be nerfed it was too busted
12:26 <K2> heh
12:27 <K2> its why i made the monster attack 'clobber' only have a chance to knock you back
12:27 <K2> like 1 in 6 or 1 in 7
12:27 <K2> if it were every hit, it'd suck
12:27 <amateurhour> yeah bcuz you can get stunlocked with it
12:29 <qt> wow k2 this is horrible
12:29 <K2> no really... tell me how you really feel
12:31 <qt> https://0x0.st/oK1Z.mp4
12:31 <K2> i know
12:31 <K2> i was clearing out entire lines of monsters
12:31 <K2> this is the only place i know of that this happens
12:32 <K2> i tested plane of air, water - behaved fine
12:33 <qt> oh
12:33 <K2> i'm at a loss why this is happening. the bump never occurs
12:33 <qt> hmm
12:33 <K2> this is why i havent committed yet
12:33 <K2> I dont want aosdict to yell at me again for committing known buggy code
12:33 <qt> it's the special case for vlad's tower in mhurtle_step
12:34 <qt> it doesn't check whether another monster is already on that spot
12:34 <K2> oooh
12:34 <K2> so wouldnt that be true for say a giant eel in a pool of water
12:34 <qt> but it seems like that would be the case for a pool or lava too
12:34 <K2> hah
12:34 <qt> yeah i'm wondering if that is a vanilla bug
12:34 <qt> time to test
12:34 <K2> lets see
12:36 <K2> yup
12:36 <K2> happens in vanilla
12:36 <qt> awesome
12:37 <K2> tele-pushed my steed into an eel in a pool
12:37 <K2> boop program in disorder
12:37 <K2> my deity hates me now
12:37 <krm26> so, cursed armor = spellcasting bonus, is there any other benefit to cursed gear (amulets, weapons, rings, tools) for an infidel?
12:37 <K2> the things we do for SCIENCE
12:38 <amateurhour> yay qt gets another opportunity to send a loveletter
12:38 <amateurhour> a romance for which correspondance only occurs via bug reports
12:42 <K2> brb
12:55 <krm26> hmm....the watch hates me in minetown (i guess cuz i let the priest catch sight of me) -- wonder if i should use my drum of earthquake to just immobilize everyone
12:55 <krm26> i assume that even as an infidel you get boned for killing the watch
12:57 <Umbire> I don't think that's the case but I've been wrong before
12:58 <krm26> alright, i'll murder a watchman and see what happens
13:01 <krm26> cool, murder is just alright by moloch
13:02 <Umbire> why wouldn't it be
13:03 <krm26> the gods are inscrutable, as evinced by the shit they give you
13:07 <qt> K2: https://github.com/NetHack/NetHack/pull/684 not sure how this approach would work for the vlad thing, idk if you'd have to add another "MM_IGNOREAIR" flag or something
13:14 <krm26> oooo never gotten displacement from eating a displacer beast before. does it time out, or is it permanent?
13:15 <amateurhour> times out
13:16 <amateurhour> really short time too
13:16 <amateurhour> very disappointing
13:16 <amateurhour> 6d6
13:18 <krm26> figures
13:18 <amateurhour> it does stack so I guess you could eat a whole bunch of tins in a row or something
13:21 <krm26> grrr blindness is smoky and all the monsters keep wasting them as missile weapons
13:31 <krm26> how much of a screw is the infidel quest boss?
13:35 <qt> krm26: not as much of a screw as the convict quest boss https://www.phrases.org.uk/bulletin_board/12/messages/610.html
13:36 <amateurhour> krm26: I think the usual strategy is to boulder fort and skilled fireball the fort so they get hit by explosions
13:36 <amateurhour> I feel like that's what mobi does every time
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13:42 <krm26> must be nice to have an offensive spell
13:43 <K2> qt thanks
13:43 <qt> idk about the pr now K2
13:43 <qt> i don't know if hurtling is supposed to mean you're thrown through the air, or whether it means being knocked across the floor
13:43 <mobileuser> you get the spellbook when you're crowned krm26
13:44 <qt> needs some changes if it's the latter
13:44 <K2> i think its through the air
13:44 <qt> i'm going to email the devteam about it to ask, since nobody has responded in #nethack-dev
13:45 <Umbire> oh hold up I just noticed
13:45 <Umbire> ice nymphs corpses can increase charisma eh?
13:45 <Umbire> that true of all nymphs?
13:46 <K2> that's not anything I added
13:47 <krm26> by the time i'm eating nymph corpses, if i ever do, my charisma is already maxed, so never noticed
13:50 <krm26> ...been a LONG time since i had an extended midgame without any bags of holding OR an altar stash. blurf
13:50 <Umbire> K2: It's in the nhtohtml files
13:51 <K2> ?
13:52 <Umbire> K2: https://nethackwiki.com/mediawiki/index.php?title=Ice_nymph&oldid=139907
13:52 <Umbire> copied it to the wiki as-was
13:52 <Umbire> also have the file open right now, no editing or anything
13:53 <K2> heh
13:53 <Umbire> seems to be true for other nymphs
13:53 <krm26> so K2, since I'm UNALIGNED, I can clearly use all of the different aligned quest artifacts, right? right?
13:54 <Umbire> lol
13:57 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] omnisnow (Cav Gia Mal Neu) had Keolewa bestowed upon him by Ishtar, on T:4316
14:00 <krm26> oh sigh what a good run...arch-liched to death. mighta survived except for all the excess dragons
14:01 <krm26> !?!! didn't follow me up stairs
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14:11 <qt> too intimidated by your prowess maybe
14:14 <amateurhour> remember the mysterious 'tail of a worm' or 'riding it' set of bugs? how were they fixed again? guessing splicehack has those bugs still because there's an open issue for it
14:20 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Inf Ith Fem Una) had a pair of mud boots entrusted to her by Moloch, on T:18956
14:27 <krm26> well i'm well and truely behind my monster generation curve now :-(
14:33 <krm26> ugh how am i gonna kill this lich before a second lich generates
14:45 <krm26> paralyzed with indecision
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15:00 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Inf Ith Fem Una) killed the Rat King, on T:20538
15:01 <krm26> Rat King level is a real screw for infidels, trying to get teleported to the loot room
15:01 <amateurhour> yeah and probably don't want to drop the amulet for a bit...
15:02 <krm26> oh, i'm stupid. that's all it takes?
15:02 <krm26> although i guess i should ask, does the amulet teleport when you drop it?
15:03 <amateurhour> yes it does unfortunately, less chance of doing that if blessed
15:03 <krm26> argh
15:03 <krm26> so it could teleport into the loot room potentially
15:04 <krm26> this is such a bad idea
15:04 <amateurhour> yeah, maybe drop it in minetown or something
15:04 <krm26> for what will end up being a potion of sleep and some glass gems
15:04 <krm26> how is minetown better than anywhere else?
15:04 <amateurhour> because it won't be in a random patch of sewage or the loot room
15:05 <amateurhour> idk, easier to find I guess
15:05 <krm26> i guess i could drop it in sokoban
15:05 <amateurhour> soko would be best of course but it's super far away and backtracking is lame
15:05 <krm26> this guy is such crap i've spent all my time backtracking
15:05 <krm26> in the rat king, is there a luckstone + loadstone?
15:06 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Inf Ith Fem Una) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:20605
15:06 <krm26> phew
15:06 <krm26> laziness uber alles
15:06 <amateurhour> yeah there is a loadstone
15:07 <krm26> loot room can go hang i guess
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16:02 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] omnisnow (Cav Gia Mal Neu), 2153 points, T:4838, killed by a soldier ant
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16:11 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] omnisnow (Bar Cen Mal Neu) had Cleaver bestowed upon him by Crom, on T:952
16:17 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] omnisnow (Bar Cen Mal Neu) destroyed omnisnow's ghost, the former Wanderer, on T:1379
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16:31 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] omnisnow (Bar Cen Mal Neu) destroyed the invisible post163's ghost, the former Evoker, on T:2513
16:34 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] omnisnow (Bar Cen Mal Neu), 3066 points, T:2601, killed by a snake, while frozen by a monster's gaze
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17:40 <K2> qt I've incorporated your PR that you submitted to 3.7
17:41 <K2> i just need to hash out the vlad's cavern air bit
17:43 <qt> i'd have waited to see whether the devteam decides that hurtling involves flying or skidding
17:45 <K2> i'm betting on flying
17:45 <K2> plus I need to add a bit for IGNOREAIR
17:48 <K2> if devteam decides hurtling means skidding across the floor vs through the air, i can adjust
17:49 <qt> true
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18:07 <K2> sweet, this works great
18:10 <K2> all of the MM_ flags and such, had to convert those to long like 3.7 did
18:10 <K2> ran out of room to add more the way it was :P
18:14 <K2> https://termbin.com/4c16 if you'd like to give it a once over
18:24 <qt> i keep marveling at how convenient 'curl https://termbin.com/4c16 | git apply' is, it's so nice
18:30 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Hum Mal Law) killed the Oracle, on T:30456
18:32 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Ran Hob Mal Neu), 172 points, T:1022, killed by a small mimic
18:34 <qt> k2 why does the message 'so-and-so plummets to his death' only appear when it's not the player's turn?
18:34 <qt> i don't get it when i use my telekinetic powerz to throw a guy into the abyss
18:35 <qt> it's behind a 'context.mon_moving' check
18:36 <qt> another couple small things: the definition of 'invladcavern' includes '&& !(is_flyer || is_floater || ceiling_hider)' but then you check the same thing inside the if (invladcavern) block: 'if (!ceiling_hider && !is_flyer && !is_floater)' -- seems like one or the other is redundant
18:41 <qt> the other thing i don't understand is what 'so-and-so falls as air rushes in and forces you out' means -- where does the air rush in to, why does it force you out, where is it forcing you out of?
18:42 <qt> also I don't think an engulfer can pluck you off your steed in the air
18:44 <K2> dragon?
18:44 <qt> because you added goodpos to gulpmu
18:44 <K2> hmm
18:44 <qt> yeah they can do it but the original intention of that bit in the pool case was
18:45 <qt> like, "purple worm jumps up as you're flying over the water and swallows you -- oops, he can't swim, so he drowns, and the water flushes you out of his mouth"
18:45 <qt> i understood the meaning a bit more clearly i think once i read the place you took it from
18:46 <qt> interestingly, if a monster plucks you off your pony or whatever as you fly around in the air in vlad's, the pony doesn't fall and die
18:46 <qt> he gets enexto'd onto the nearest solid ground
18:47 <K2> hmm that shouldnt happen
18:48 <qt> you mean like "that's a bug" or "i already made sure that can't happen"?
18:48 <K2> former
18:51 <K2> i just mirrored this to waht was already present
18:52 <qt> oh i think it's an issue with the way the vlad's tower stuff in goodpos  works
18:56 <qt> hmm not quite
18:59 <K2> https://termbin.com/mg86
19:00 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Hum Mal Law), 159782 points, T:30883, killed by an orange dragon
19:00 <K2> ^ see the changes I made in minliquid()
19:01 <K2> invladcavern and then the code block for if (invladcavern)
19:02 <K2> brb gonna grab a bite to eat
19:10 <qt> hmm
19:10 <qt> the vanilla code for dismounting a steed after being engulfed is really weird, i don't get it
19:14 <qt> (vanilla line numbers) steed.c:578-587 it tries figuring out various safe places to put the steed after the hero is engulfed, using enexto.  then it does place the steed there (steed.c:593). but right afterwards it throws that away by using enexto again (with rloc_to; steed.c:669)
19:16 <qt> unless i am missing something it seems like the two uses of enexto go hand-in-hand, so that the first one (steedcc) is always thrown away. because both are triggered by the player having been engulfed (the first one when there's another monster at <u.ux, u.uy>, the second one if u.ustuck or u.uswallow is true)
19:24 <qt> i might email the devteam about this
19:34 <K2> nice find
19:36 <qt> actually i guess i understand it
19:36 <qt> the point of the initial escalating search for positions is deciding where to place the corpse, assuming a safe spot can't be found
19:38 <qt> first it tries to find a spot, any spot, for the steed (or its corpse, if it dies/died). it puts it there. then it tries to find a _safe_ spot for it; if none can be found, it kills off the steed so the body lands in the steedcc spot.
19:38 <qt> i guess that's the purpose of it
19:38 <qt> but it doesn't really help with your idea, k2, which is that basically it shouldn't try that hard to find a safe spot
19:39 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Val Dwa Fem Neu), 1837 points, T:2924, poisoned by a giant mosquito
19:39 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] goast (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 685 points, T:2650, killed by a baby owlbear, while frozen by a monster's gaze
19:40 <K2> well... it prob should
19:41 <K2> I cant remember if I changed a thing to make that aspect unforgiving
19:41 <K2> its fine enough to leave things the way they are if I didnt do a Thing™
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19:43 <qt> yeah i'm pretty sure it's vanilla behavior
19:44 <qt> just not common in vanilla because the only engulfer that plucks you off a steed is a purple worm, which can't reach you in a remote spot on the water (or bottomless chasm)
19:44 <qt> so the way the steed gets jumped over to the safe spot is more obvious
19:45 <qt> i guess a trapper on medusa's level could do something similar in vanilla
19:45 <qt> trappers are on the ceiling right?
19:46 <K2> i think trapper is floor
19:46 <K2> lurker is ceiling
19:46 <K2> yup, confirmed
19:46 <K2> brb
19:47 <qt> oh yeah
19:47 <qt> so you can set it up in vanilla where it's obvious, but it's not likely to happen naturally
19:49 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Con Orc Mal Cha), 372 points, T:1167, killed by a giant bat
20:11 <K2> fuzzing with current changes
20:23 <K2> 5 mil turns in so far
20:38 <K2> 12 mil - wewp
20:39 <K2> satisfied, but i'll let it run until an impossible or panic occurs
20:48 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Gno Fem Cha), 174 points, T:785, killed by a boulder
20:59 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (disenchanters), on T:3335
21:01 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping a bag called sack? containing 20 items on an altar, on T:5405
21:06 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Gno Fem Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:4031
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21:07 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping 34 crossbow bolts on an altar, on T:3908
21:10 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 2405 points, T:6352, killed by a warg
21:14 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Gno Fem Cha) destroyed coplate's ghost, the former Thaumaturge, on T:5051
21:41 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 9782 points, T:6899, killed by an orange dragon
21:42 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Gno Mal Cha), 8466 points, T:7317, killed by an invisible stalker
22:07 <K2> 46 mil and still going
22:08 <Umbire> fuzzing again?
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