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07:35 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Pri Ith Fem Cha), 148426 points, T:60437, choked on a Woodland-elf corpse
07:35 <NetSysFire> lol rip me
07:35 <NetSysFire> still on dlvl 1
07:35 <NetSysFire> !lastgame NetSysFire 
07:35 <Hecubus> NetSysFire: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/N/NetSysFire/evilhack/dumplog/1642538582.evil.html
07:36 <NetSysFire> i extincted kobold zombies!
07:37 <NetSysFire> first time i ever extincted anything!
07:37 <NetSysFire> K2: i found a bug
07:38 <NetSysFire> even though i am fully sleep resistant, it continued to give me "you feel slightly perkier" messages
07:38 <NetSysFire> also applied to cold res
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07:58 <K2> hmm
08:00 <NetSysFire> maybe the wise arch sage qt knows something about that
08:07 <NetSysFire> hey K2 :)
08:07 <NetSysFire> > 63 gnolls witherling
08:08 <NetSysFire> i think thats another bug
08:08 <K2> ?
08:08 <K2> oh
08:08 <K2> nah its like 'sergeants major'
08:09 <NetSysFire> huh? isnt it supposed to be gnoll witherlings?
08:09 <K2> gnolls witherling hah
08:10 <K2> that's funny
08:10 <K2> brb
08:11 <aosdict> on the 12th day of christmas my true love gave to me: 12 gnolls a-witherling,
08:15 <rebatela> wtf does witherling mean anyway?
08:15 <rebatela> morning y'all 
08:15 <Pinkbeast> I don't know, I've never witherled
08:16 <rebatela> witherling (plural witherlings)
08:16 <rebatela>     (obsolete) An opponent, enemy, or adversary.
08:16 <rebatela> and now we know (and knowing is half the battle)
08:16 <aosdict> so it just means 'gnoll opponent'? boring
08:17 <rebatela> it's not even a word. If you google it it thinks you mean withering 
08:17 <Pinkbeast> Google is not the sole authority on what constitutes a word
08:17 <rebatela> heheh i know
08:17 <rebatela> it's on "obsolete" word 
08:18 <rebatela> an
08:18 <rebatela> i'm fairly well read and don't recall ever seeing that word until evilhack
08:18 <rebatela> but i've seen it a LOT lol 
08:19 <rebatela> cuz dem suckers come in pakcs
08:19 <rebatela> packs
08:19 <rebatela> bah cannot type today 
08:19 <rebatela> (we are on to some other type of whiskey that fell off the truck) 
08:29 <K2> https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Witherling
08:31 <K2> ^ evilhack gnoll witherling loosely modelled off of that
08:31 <rebatela> abyssal energy ftw
08:33 <rebatela> my dnd experience was mostly limited to computer rpg (like the eye of the beholder that k2 loves), but I did have a bunch of the books 
08:33 <rebatela> i just didn't know enough geeks to atually play... or maybe my parents couldn't afford the dice 
08:35 <rebatela> i just remembered the other day that i have windows installed on this box and was actually playing the bard's tale ! i loved that game... i'm actually going to boot to windows now and try to dos emulate some old school games 
08:35 <rebatela> i thought i had read they had remade Wasteland, which was one of my favorites 
08:37 <rebatela> this shiznit https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wasteland_(video_game)
08:39 <rebatela> ultima 5/6 were the best though 
08:40 <rebatela> i'm gonna take the chatter over to #hardfought 
08:40 <rebatela> i know this channel should be strictly evil. don't want to get the ban hammer 
08:44 <aosdict> can't remember K2 ever banhammering someone for being off topic
08:45 <K2> rofl
08:48 <rebatela> haha i was kidding
08:48 <rebatela> i've done much worse than ramble about dos games 
08:48 <K2> did you start drinking this morning
08:49 <rebatela> no
08:49 <K2> :/
08:49 <rebatela> just joking about that 
08:49 <K2> oh so you did start
08:49 <rebatela> we did open a new bottle 
08:49 <rebatela> hah no
08:49 <rebatela> drinking coffee
08:49 <rebatela> !coffee
08:49 * Hecubus pours rebatela a cup of cafe latte, excreted by Announcy at 170 Kelvin.
08:49 <rebatela> looking for job 
08:49 <rebatela> actually feeling really good about things... i don't drink every day believe it or not
08:49 <rebatela> (used to :( ) 
08:50 <rebatela> this is probably the healthiest i've been in a long freaking time 
08:51 <rebatela> i'm a recovering iv drug user. been clean for a long time tho. Probably been drinking more than i should, but nothing like how i used to be 
08:51 <rebatela> still not good. i'm trying to take a break 
08:51 <K2> since covid hit, my level of drinking has gone way down
08:52 <rebatela> well that's good!
08:52 <rebatela> i think a lot of people's experience is the opposite?
08:52 <K2> yup
08:55 <Pinkbeast> "Average Briton drinks more during pandemic" factoid actually just statistical error. Average Briton drinks no more. Blotto Boris, who lives in 10 Downing Street and attends over 10,000 "work events" a year, is an outlier and should not have been counted.
08:57 <K2> :)
09:12 <aosdict> the takes I have seen from my friends are that the pandemic exacerbated whatever trends you were already on. if you were drinking more going in, you probably drink a lot more now, and if you were drinking less you might not drink at all now
09:34 <K2> i must be an outlier
09:58 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu) became literate by engraving "Lilje", on T:4131
10:04 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu), 2822 points, T:4696, killed by a bugbear
10:08 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Arc Dwa Fem Neu) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:39753
10:11 <qt> NetSysFire: how did you know you were sleep resistant? enlightenment?
10:24 <qt> K2: NetSysFire's report reminds me, how do you feel about a change like this? https://termbin.com/cb4c
10:25 * K2 has a look
10:25 <qt> recalibrate the adjectives in 'you feel slightly more perkier' or whatever so that they actually give you some information
10:26 <K2> it's missing 'kinda' and 'sorta'
10:26 <K2> ^ kidding
10:26 <qt> currently you basically only see 'slightly' (for pretty much all monsters) and 'significantly' (for dragons)
10:26 <K2> yeah that looks good
10:26 <qt> those numbers are just based on my eyeballing monst.c so they could probably be refined more if people give feedback
10:28 <NetSysFire> qt: death log but i killed so many monsters and i ate so many of them
10:30 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Arc Dwa Fem Neu) defeated Kathryn the Ice Queen, on T:40288
10:35 <qt> looking at the ttyrec I think it may be OK, you had enlightenment that said you were 5% sleep resistant and then you ate like 16 monsters with values of like 5%-8% sleep res... I think you may have just gotten 100% sleep res on the very last one that gave you a message
10:36 <qt> I can look at the actual monsters in a bit and try to check
10:48 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:5087
10:55 <NetSysFire> thanks for digging
10:58 <NetSysFire> i would also look at the cold res
11:00 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Arc Dwa Fem Neu) killed the Oracle, on T:40688
11:01 <Graznop> is "polished barding" meant to give reflection?
11:02 <NetSysFire> yeah
11:03 <Graznop> hmm. My shiny new Pegasus, equipped with "blessed mithril polished barding" was one-shotted by the Oracle's magic missiles
11:05 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Con Ith Fem Cha), 509 points, T:1509, killed by a rock gnome, while praying
11:05 <Graznop> what am I missing?
11:06 <amateurhour> those ones aren't rays or whatever they're just passive nukes
11:06 <Graznop> right. Thanks.
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11:50 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Arc Dwa Fem Neu) killed Cerberus, on T:41551
11:53 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Arc Dwa Fem Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:41582
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12:38 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Val Dwa Fem Law) destroyed the invisible k2's ghost, the former Fighter, on T:8506
12:53 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu) averted death (killed by a giant spider), on T:4072
12:54 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu), 1605 points, T:4097, killed by an elven arrow
13:32 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Val Dwa Fem Law) had a mithril dwarvish spear entrusted to her by Tyr, on T:11563
13:43 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Val Dwa Fem Law) had a dusty cloak entrusted to her by Tyr, on T:12293
13:46 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Val Dwa Fem Law) had a gold axe entrusted to her by Tyr, on T:12382
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14:09 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Val Dwa Fem Law) had a platinum trident entrusted to her by Tyr, on T:15651
14:09 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Gia Mal Neu), 53 points, T:207, killed by a system shock
14:24 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the Rat King, on T:17797
14:31 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:17913
14:33 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Val Dwa Fem Law), 58235 points, T:18128, killed by a giant crocodile
14:40 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Con Ith Fem Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3100
14:44 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Con Ith Fem Cha), 1636 points, T:3940, killed by a piranha
15:36 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a hobbit, on T:16162
15:43 <Not-9244> [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±3] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/9f14866461f1...344673045ee7
15:43 <Not-9244> [EvilHack] k21971 3446730 - More varied feedback when gaining partial intrinsics.
16:09 <Graznop> Minor bug: when engulfed by a D, still 'seeing' this: "The saddled barded greater pegasus' attack passes harmlessly through the spectre"
16:24 <K2> you and the pegaus are engulfed together?
16:29 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Arc Dwa Fem Neu) killed Baphomet, on T:43883
16:31 <Graznop> K2: no, I was engulfed, the pegasus was outside
16:34 <K2> oh i see
16:34 <K2> you're still seeing what your pet is doing
16:34 <K2> i was about to say, both of you shouldnt be engulfed together
16:35 <K2> do you have esp?
16:36 <Graznop> yes, from the Xiuhcoatl
16:37 <K2> i bet that's it
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17:24 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu), 2525 points, T:3614, killed by an orc zombie
17:41 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (orcs), on T:1
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18:05 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) killed Croesus, on T:41577
18:11 <bouquet> I've killed at least a dozen gelatinous cubes this game and none have left a corpse. I thought they always left a corpse.
18:11 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Orc Fem Cha), 0 points, T:1, killed by a scroll of genocide
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18:24 <Umbire> Were you on a graveyard?
18:24 <bouquet> yes
18:24 <Umbire> ...
18:24 <bouquet> just the last one. But the other ones weren't
18:24 <Umbire> You suuuuuuuure?
18:24 <Umbire> /hj
18:25 <Umbire> But yeah they're large, not huge
18:25 <Umbire> So they often but not always leave corpses and you're getting unlucky
18:30 <Umbire> At least that's what it sounds like
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19:59 <qt> i don't think a graveyard should affect whether gelatinous cubes leave corpses
19:59 <qt> isn't it only the chance of undead creatures leaving corpses that depends on graveyard status, not all monsters?
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20:07 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Gno Fem Cha), 5447 points, T:5811, killed by an Uruk-hai, while praying
20:12 <Umbire> qt: ah shit u rite
20:17 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Con Ith Fem Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:5644
20:24 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Con Ith Fem Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:7894
20:25 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Con Ith Fem Cha), 6674 points, T:8351, killed by a gas spore's explosion
20:27 <Umbire> :c
21:09 <rebatela>   i badly need a stethoscope 
21:09 <rebatela> (or really polymorph... i have SO many tools piled up...)
21:09 <rebatela> will get one in one zap lol 
21:14 <rebatela>   i have  amagic lamp... almost want to wish for the spelbook
21:14 <rebatela> but i probably can't cast
21:14 <rebatela> no HoB yet and no robe because giant
21:14 <rebatela> (altho i am xl 20 so i dunno) 
21:14 <rebatela> 18 wis
21:15 <rebatela> i have the eye though so as long as it isn't like 99% fail or something... 
21:15 <rebatela> yeha seei know createfamliar which is also lvl 6 and it's 100% fail
21:16 <rebatela> i'm not going to wish for the wand... i know i'll find one right after if i do 
21:16 <Umbire> Monk, right?
21:16 <Umbire> I forget their clerical spell cap
21:16 <rebatela> it's a matter spell 
21:17 <rebatela> and they get basic 
21:17 <rebatela> but giants just suck at spell casting 
21:17 <rebatela> monks get a HUGE bonus from the robe 
21:17 <rebatela> if I trained matter with the knock spell it might help (but i don't know that either )
21:18 <rebatela>  you really need those staffs to spell cast as a giant 
21:18 <rebatela> (since you can't fit robe)
21:18 <rebatela> the high level spells at least and when you're low levels and untrained
21:19 <rebatela> at xl 30 you can cast most things but lvl 6/7 spells even at xl 20 are a different story 
21:19 <rebatela> helm of brilliance too (which i also don't have yet)
21:20 <rebatela> i might wish for wand of poly
21:20 <rebatela> i don't think i've ever done that (even in vanilla)
21:21 <rebatela> i've seen lots of other people do it
21:21 <rebatela> but i always go for the book... ( i also don't play melee roles lol) 
21:22 <rebatela> like i said, I will wish for the wand tho and meet a player monster on the next level who has one...
21:22 <bouquet> rebatela: I lost my tele control ring to a shocking sphere and teleportitus'd into water because I was wearing water breathing. Blanked 6 of my new spellbooks.
21:22 <rebatela> ugh :(
21:22 <rebatela> i geno those things
21:22 <rebatela> you didn't used to be able to 
21:22 <bouquet> I'm going to as soon as I have some unholy water.
21:23 <rebatela> he claims he made them genocideable for me because i cried so much
21:23 <rebatela> lol
21:23 <rebatela> that actually comes from xnh or 3.7 or something 
21:23 <rebatela> i hate it
21:23 <bouquet> understandable
21:24 <rebatela> (the shocking spheres destroying stuff) 
21:24 <rebatela> i mean... yeah i guess they were a joke before
21:24 <rebatela> but they are just horrible horrible game ruiners now 
21:24 <rebatela> i keep extra free action rings etc. 
21:24 <rebatela> but losing your wands and shit blows 
21:25 <rebatela> i fooproof them but that still only gives it like a better chance of resisting i think? 
21:25 <Umbire> Wait create familiar's matter?
21:25 <bouquet> me too. My extra rings stash is FA, SD, Lev, and something else I forget
21:25 <rebatela> no but it's lvl 6
21:25 <Umbire> Oh 
21:25 <Umbire> <rebatela> it's a matter spell 
21:25 <rebatela> and i'm untratined in clerical and matter
21:25 <bouquet> I have poly spell and the eye so I'm going to poly as much crap as I can.
21:25 <Umbire> guess you were talking about polymorph
21:25 <Umbire> yeah
21:25 <rebatela> polymorph is a matter spell
21:25 <rebatela> i was comparing the lvls 
21:26 <Umbire> ic
21:26 <bouquet> gotta do it from soko though so I don't go bouncing around like a spaz
21:26 <rebatela> i assume i wouldn't be any better at casting the lvl 6 matter spell
21:26 <rebatela> I "know" create familiar and literally cannot cast 
21:26 <rebatela> but yes it's clerical
21:26 <Umbire> sounds like you gotta go book hunting
21:26 <rebatela> monks actually get skilled in clerical
21:27 <Umbire> ah good
21:27 <Umbire> what about matter?
21:27 <rebatela> well this gets back to why i need polymorph ;)
21:27 <rebatela> i've found books. they all just suckj
21:27 <rebatela> detect food and what not
21:27 <Umbire> heh
21:27 <Umbire> no low-level matter books tho?
21:27 <rebatela> matter and everything else monks get to basic i believe 
21:27 <Umbire> knock and such
21:27 <rebatela> clerical is skilled... there might be one other school that is skilled
21:27 <rebatela> but it's at least basic in every school
21:28 <rebatela> knock is very easy to WRITE
21:28 <rebatela> so if i had a marker that would be cool 
21:28 <rebatela> with maxed luck
21:29 <rebatela> but it really doesn't help all that much... i think wis and xl are all that really help with the high lvl spells?
21:29 <rebatela> if i was lvl 30 i'd probably be able to cast that creeate familiiar spell 
21:29 <Umbire> knock would let you train matter for polymorph
21:29 <rebatela> but i'm like early on in this game (sort of)
21:29 <Umbire> ah
21:29 <rebatela> 22k turns... getting to the bottom of dungeon 
21:29 <rebatela> but havne't done quest or medusa or anything 
21:30 <rebatela> that's early for ME
21:30 <rebatela> i play lots of turns
21:31 <bouquet> conflict. That's my other backup ring. Though, since it doesn't work when invisible it's not so useful any more
21:39 <rebatela> umbire: that's the thing though... the difference between lets say I found knock and poylmorph both right now... and learned knock and cast it about to advance matter to basic... i dont think it effects whether i can cast the lvl 6 spell all that much 
21:39 <rebatela> i think that's a common misconception 
21:39 <rebatela> about =a bunch
21:39 <Umbire> "cast it about" makes sense too
21:40 <rebatela> i alwaYS TRY to do that, but it doesn't seem to help :(
21:40 <rebatela> lvling up and wearing HoB and getting those staffs = winning
21:40 <Umbire> There's a bonus you get from the skill level thing
21:40 <rebatela> at least for monks
21:40 <rebatela> the robe REALLY helps monks
21:40 <Umbire> but as a giant and without your robe it's not gonna be enough on its own ofc
21:40 <rebatela> and giants can't wear them
21:40 <Umbire> which is prob. why
21:40 <rebatela> that's what i'm talkinga bout (giants)
21:40 <Umbire> ah
21:40 <Umbire> my b
21:41 <rebatela> it helps monks more than any other role for some reason
21:41 <rebatela> more than wizards/priests
21:41 <rebatela> shhhhhh
21:42 <rebatela> spellcasting sucks in nh otherwise (if you're not wizard) and u gotta wish for eye. someone was asking why i only play monk. well, that's wy
21:42 <rebatela> easy early game. they can fight. and can actually cast spells but hell yeah i wish for eota
21:42 <rebatela> (if i can) some people think that's weak i'm sure 
21:43 <rebatela> evil is hard tho so i don't care. it's all about ascending 
21:44 <rebatela> and i think it's fair in evil there's a chance of the quest nemesis 
21:44 <rebatela> they are no joke (some)
21:44 <rebatela> some more than others
21:46 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) refused to give up The Eye of the Aethiopica to Neferet the Green, on T:44130
21:46 <rebatela> neferet is no joke. I've gotten lucky maybe last 4 times i've wish for eota she hasn't come :)
21:46 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) killed Neferet the Green, on T:44131
21:46 <rebatela> speak of the devil!
21:46 <rebatela> lmao
21:46 <rebatela> gg
21:46 <bouquet> I didn't! My blue dragon swallowed her.
21:47 <rebatela> awesome :)
21:49 <bouquet> I wish she dropped some spellbooks at least.  She had a staff and something else useless
21:50 <rebatela> i would rather fight rodney than neferet...
21:50 <bouquet> no wonder the dark one was able to steal EotA. Her apprentices are useless
21:50 <rebatela> although i've obviously whooped her ass... she can get out of control with the summoning
21:51 <rebatela> gel cubes dragons the worst shit 
21:53 <rebatela> she's harder than the ice queen. imo (not the second time you fight her obviosuly. you cannot beat kathryn twice...) 
21:54 <rebatela> and i've died there a bunch (ice queen)
21:54 <rebatela> but it's like any other nemesis or whatever. you need a strategy and you do it 
22:01 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) had a magical copper spellbook given to her by Anhur, on T:45421
22:19 <Umbire> I mean EotA is a sensible wish for neutral monks in vanilla anyway
22:34 <bouquet> ooh, a new room.  A mindflayer surrounded by larva and a few prisoners
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22:58 <bouquet> rebatela: you mentioned that playing giants is addictive. I agree.  Boulders are an awesome weapon and useful tool.
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