00:05 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #evilhack 00:08 -!- ChrisANG has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:08 -!- Chris__ANG has joined #evilhack 00:10 my assassination attempt on a peaceful giant caveman failed 00:10 i got a locust to sting him but he was wearing an amulet of lifesaving 00:12 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:38 qt did you defeat tiamat yet? 00:38 oh, no of course not, no livelog 00:38 hope you get the scales drop 00:42 no I slunk back to my base after Graznop pointed out I was walking around barefoot 00:43 it was a somewhat tight escape too, since on the level above Tiamat some stupid mplayer wizard spawned and summoned a bunch of monsters, including other spellcasters and mplayers (it seems a little weird to me that they can be summoned like that btw) 00:43 heh 00:43 and they mobbed me real good 00:43 mplayers arent part of nasty() 00:43 or any type of summon routine 00:44 maybe he read a scroll of create monster then 00:44 let me check the ttyrec 00:44 sounds possible 00:46 no, he cast a spell and summoned him 00:46 https://0x0.st/o-93.mp4 00:47 oh it was a girl wizard, i was misgendering her 00:47 sorry Gelinnasbes 00:48 but you know, elves, they're so androgynous... easy to get confused 00:55 even if it had been a create monster scroll/wand, though -- it seems weird to me to create an mplayer that way too, since they're supposed to be other adventurers seeking the amulet 01:00 [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Dwa Mal Neu), 0 points, T:1, killed by a bolt of cold 01:24 K2: I think this would make it so mplayers will generate randomly as normal but can't be summoned via spell/scroll/bag of tricks/etc, if you're interested: https://termbin.com/phsj 01:26 -!- Chris__ANG has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:26 oh wait 01:27 i forgot to modify the GP_ALLOW_foo macros, fixed: https://termbin.com/l50s 01:29 [hdf-us] [evil] Cronos (Tou Gno Fem Neu) killed the Master of Thieves, on T:65236 01:30 tested it by changing rndmonst to return an mplayer 80% of the time -- seems to work well. normal monster generation is basically all mplayers with that modification, but tipping a bag of tricks, using create monster -- all normal mons 01:33 actually I missed something else I think 01:34 have you ever written a patch where you didn't reread it at some point and find something to change 01:34 no 01:34 just curious 01:34 I'm an inveterate force pusher as you well know 01:52 qt yeah I agree, mplayers shouldnt be a valid summoned creature 01:54 what else was missed? 01:54 https://0x0.st/o-pz.patch 01:54 random monsters generation in special levels shouldn't exclude mplayers 01:55 cool 01:56 ^ trying out the git format-patch thing with that link 01:56 high-level priestess popping out of a magical bag lol 01:57 do you want to submit that as a PR? or just have me patch it 01:59 i can submit it as a PR if you prefer, i think you should be able to apply it pretty easy with 'git am' though if you already downloaded the file 01:59 i've never really used git format-patch though so idk if there's some hidden challenges there 01:59 never used git am, is it just 'git am ' ? 01:59 yeah 02:00 i think so 02:00 ok will give it a go 02:04 what's the point of Signed-off-by? 02:04 what's this 2.34.1 at the bottom of the file? 02:04 the version of git I used to create it I guess 02:04 ah 02:05 # git am qt.patch 02:05 Applying: Block 'artificial' player monster creation 02:05 did it work? 02:05 -!- Not-9244 has joined #evilhack 02:05 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±6] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/a4807c960600...37f7af7021f7 02:05 [EvilHack] entrez 37f7af7 - Block 'artificial' player monster creation 02:05 cool 02:06 hah... this doesnt break saves does it? 02:06 changes in hack.h 02:07 i don't see why it would, those are just flags passed to makemon 02:07 ok 02:07 anytime I see a bitfield change I get cautious 02:08 reasonable 02:13 I really need to freeze 0.7.1 here soon 02:13 otherwise i'll never start on 0.8 02:14 I say this to force a dozen more bugs to show themselves 02:16 you know, I've noticed remarkably few bugs in my current game 02:16 nice 02:16 normally when I play I add to a list of minor issues I've noticed, but there hasn't been much recently 02:17 pretty good sign I think 02:17 * K2 nods 02:18 * K2 pushes the 'merge 3.7' button 02:18 oh look... bugs 02:20 !who 02:20 K2: [hdf-us] karibou [evil] :: [hdf-eu] No current players :: [hdf-au] No current players 02:27 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu), 3138 points, T:4036, killed by a werewolf 02:34 your patch is live qt 02:34 cool 03:22 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Val Dwa Fem Law), 0 points, T:5, killed by a falling object 03:22 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Val Dwa Fem Law), 0 points, T:7, killed by a falling object 03:22 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Val Dwa Fem Law), 0 points, T:6, killed by a falling object 03:22 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Val Dwa Fem Law), 0 points, T:7, killed by a falling object 03:25 rofl 03:25 !setmintc 500 03:25 K2: [hdf-au][hdf-eu][hdf-us] Min reported turncount for k2 set to 500 03:42 -!- Umbire has quit [Quit: Umbire zaps a wand of digging!] 03:46 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Val Dwa Fem Law) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:3699 03:51 [hdf-us] [evil] Cronos (Tou Gno Fem Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:65248 03:52 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Neu) destroyed bouquet the gnome zombie, and former Lookout, on T:13741 03:53 bouquet: did you get to play as a zombie or that just means a zombie killed you ? 03:56 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Val Dwa Fem Law), 3245 points, T:5595, killed by a forest centaur 03:59 trying to find the dumplog, but damn you had a death wand backfire on plane of air? :( 04:00 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 04:02 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:02 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 04:44 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:01 -!- spicyCebolla has left #evilhack 07:10 -!- arahael has quit [Quit: WeeChat 3.0] 07:50 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 08:28 -!- amateurhour has joined #evilhack 08:47 [hdf-us] [evil] Cronos (Tou Gno Fem Neu) completed her quest without incident, on T:66852 09:52 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Con Dwa Fem Cha) killed Dispater, on T:52392 10:20 -!- amateurhour has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:20 -!- amateurhour has joined #evilhack 12:25 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Con Dwa Fem Cha) wished for "magic marker", on T:53248 13:24 [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Hob Fem Neu), 0 points, T:1, killed by a scroll of genocide 13:24 [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Hob Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (hobbits), on T:1 13:24 YANI two-weaponing move the skilled weapon weight restrictions to basic, copy the expert weight restrictions to skilled. 13:26 these stupid sporkhack weight restrictions are the only thing that keep giving me JarlEral sad feelings 13:26 ^K2 13:27 more joy, less sad please 13:35 evilhacks twohanded fighting weight restrictions are less restrictive than sporkhacks 13:35 not changing it 13:39 giant monks should be able to wear chromatic scales when they drop without the to-hit penalty 13:39 CHANGE IT 13:39 nope 13:39 k 13:39 ;) 13:40 of course if you did, I'd never see them drop again 13:45 for the record I HATE HATE HATE the restrictions and now I will shut up for a while (until the JarlEarl feeling gets too much again) 13:47 needs more big good for less mad 13:47 did I already tell you how disgusting all of you variant devs are for making dragon scale armor even better? 13:51 sorry for starting "hobbyhorse friday" :b 13:53 don't be sorry. somebody had to do it 14:18 does blessed teleport let you have teleport control or is that 3.7 thing ? 14:18 or did i completely dream it ? 14:19 those chromatic scales are super rare though bhaak... 14:19 first you have to get tiamat and then you need them to drop 14:19 and EVERYONE can use them except the role i play... 14:19 but I don't whine about it 14:20 anyone know my teleport scroll ? 14:21 already killed two general store owners but i should have dug down into the shop and price id'd first 14:22 there's another general store in minetown and i'd like to teleport in but no control .I thought i read somewhere that blessed scrolls give you teleport control now 14:22 I have been surprised by teleport control with a blessed scroll at some point, but I can't remember in which variant... 14:22 i think it's new to 3.7 14:22 to the wiki 14:22 seems like a giant buff imo 14:23 yeah 3.7 14:23 k2 can you merge 3.7? I'll save quick . thanks! 14:24 just lemme know when it's good i'm gonna have a cig 14:24 tia 14:24 ah xnethack and slash'em too 14:24 yeah it feels like an xnh thang 14:24 soon to be evil thang... he must be compiling it now 14:25 no hurries. these are american spirits. they burn slow 14:26 a minor, useful, early game exploit: dropping stuff into shallow water never dries it up - enjoy! 14:26 we need a separate channel to discuss stuff like that lol 14:27 #evilhacknol3 14:28 i could really use a full id from a scroll (since i can't price id) 14:31 heh thx Graznop 14:31 rebatela: if you can't wear it, it doesn't seem so good! does it? 14:32 looking at the code, throwing and kicking stuff should work too, but i haven't tried those 14:32 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Neu) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:20639 14:33 well there is never a shortage of shallow water anyway, even if you have to travel a bit 14:33 I didn't really see the point of the nerf 14:33 what nerf? 14:34 it used to be it never dried up 14:34 ah, right 14:35 someone was too happy about using it to dilute potions 14:35 can't remember who 14:36 lol, could have been me praising evilhack for that nice QoL feature 14:38 also found a 'feature' that's in vanilla too - if you put lots of stuff to blank in a sack, #dip in a fountain only exercises the chance of drying up the fountain once 14:39 yeah I often do that 14:39 sometimes is sucks if all the fountains and puddles dry up 14:39 i mean ,if you can fly or have water walking, yeah there's an infiinite supply of water 14:40 Graznop that's useful while your luck is still low 14:40 and at some point i'm usually cancelling instead of fully diluting , but there's a point where i've had no water and need to dilute extra healings or whatever so they stack 14:41 even with max'd luck it's still workable, just takes longer 14:41 ahhh i have a teleport ring.. I guess I can wear that in minetown and eventaully end up in the general store even without TC 14:41 dammit i broke weaponless? 14:41 Does evilhack stop you just going swimming in pools? 14:41 no 14:41 that still work s 14:42 takes a bit with high luck tho 14:42 why don't you play pinkbeast? (i'm not busting your balls. just curious ) 14:42 does digging up a fountain ever create pools in eh - pretty sure i've only seen puddles? 14:43 My answer hasn't really changed since the last time you asked me that (well, before the interlude when I stopped answering it because it would provoke an incoherent drunken diatribe) 14:44 EPI: you can't dilute potions or blank scrolls by dipping them in water at all 14:44 Certainly scrolls, it should just make them soggy 14:44 cancellation would still work 14:45 EPI: dipping oil into a water source pollutes the water, turning it into oil 14:48 and graznop: ftr you can't leave a shop when you're invibisle (i remember we were discussing this) 14:49 in xnethack you can't cancel oil and you can't dilute it 14:49 oh right - thx for clarifying 14:50 trying to teleport into the general store with just a teleport ring... ended up in the hardware store and couldn't leave 14:50 i'm gonna kill everyone anyway, but not really feeling like it yet 14:53 bhaak: currently xnh dragon scale armor is inferior to vanilla. who's made it "better" huh 14:54 this is taking forever. I should have done the dig down trick 14:54 i guess i can dig down in the mines from the level above minetown 14:55 won't the chances be the same for digging down as random teleport? 14:58 yeah 14:59 but i'm not resting for hundreds of turns waiting to teleport 14:59 this has been taking a while. Ended up in the hardwre store twice 15:01 are you high enough level to ^T? 15:01 ahhhh 15:01 yes 15:02 i am thank you! 15:02 i didn't even realize it lol 15:02 still takes a lot of energy (no eye... yet ) 15:02 i probably have a teleport control ring too. I guess i should just try these rings on 15:04 nah none of the rings i have are tc 15:07 pinkbeast: well, I don't want to get into it. And I've apologized sincerely to you several times. I clearly had/have health problems. But all I remember is you saying you quit nethack because other people wish for quest artifacts... I thought that was absurd and took offense. Is that really the reason? 15:08 teleported into izchaks... well, I could end this game fairly quickly! 15:09 aosdict: "3.7 is just a variant" discussion incoming 15:09 that's amy's line lol 15:10 everyone knows that vanilla jumped the shark after one particular release 15:10 anything after 1.3d has just been worse and worse :/ 15:10 na, I think the one that added Sokoban 15:10 although we should have known after they added the three stooges 15:12 the Elbereth nerf is really what got a LOT of people to never accept any post 3.43 (whether they admit that's the reason is another story) 15:13 i swear i've teleported to just about every square now (except a square in the gen store) 15:13 3.4.3 Elbereth was broken, 3.6 Elbereth was broken, but in a different way 15:14 I don't see many people complaining about vanilla Elbereth. have they all rage-quit? 15:16 YAY! made it into the store 15:16 no, they play 3.43... 15:16 or variants that are based on it and let you write elbereth on the stairs and fight a demon lord that can't fight back 15:18 can't wait for 3.7 on NAO, really want to see how people react to flipped soko 15:22 man, i'm one of those people who "flips" at flipped soko... I love that evil doesn't have it 15:30 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 15:35 I am personally ambivalent on flipped soko but I know how to read the room so I made all soko levels noflip in xnh 15:45 someone needs to make spoilers for the flipped levels 15:46 i'm finally just learning the new ones without needing the wiki 15:46 i still need it for most of the new ones though 15:46 in the past i was able to open it in vim and mess with it to flip the spoilers from the wiki 15:47 can't remember what I did exactly though, I haven't needed to do that in a while 15:47 the complicated part was flipping the maps 15:47 I usually swap left/right on the spoilers in my mind 15:47 it usually works, unless I get confused IRL 15:48 i just stand on my head 16:18 336 16:20 what's that rebatela? unix file permission bits? 16:20 heh. i think it's more the cat walking about keyboard, but i'm not sure 16:21 336 would be a _really_ weird set of permissions 16:32 maybe the cat considers cat(1) to be a competitor and is trying to restrict read permissions for that reason 16:32 and 6 is a typo 16:33 another cat walked over the keyboard whilst they were setting permissions 16:37 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Pri Ith Fem Cha), 82925 points, T:38130, petrified by a cockatrice corpse 16:38 what 16:38 how 16:38 !lastgame NetSysFire 16:38 qt: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/N/NetSysFire/evilhack/dumplog/1641922083.evil.html 16:38 i have flying 16:38 how did i touch the rubberchicken when i have flying?! 16:38 ...oh yeah, falling down a hole with it wielded causes you to fall on it 16:38 i didnt fall 16:39 that's interesting 16:39 i flew 16:39 yeah the flying part is where it gets stupid 16:39 * NetSysFire looks at K2 16:39 P. sure that's vanilla behavior too 16:39 tru 16:39 yeah that's funny 16:39 it probably should be changed 16:40 testing in 3.4.3... 16:40 ok here is ur opportunity to write another love letter 16:40 THIS TIME WITH FEELING 16:40 3.6.6* 16:40 i demand my game back lol 16:40 no jk i dont 16:40 it got boring anyways 16:41 Yep, kills you in vanilla 16:42 yes, the game considers it 'falling' if you go down a trapdoor regardless of whether you have flying 16:43 that should probably be fixed 16:43 nethack: i got stoned and found a bug 16:44 i thinks it's because falling downstairs with a corpse stones you 16:45 that's why you get that warning "you fall down the stairs" and everyone who plays burden ignores it because nothing seems to happen 16:45 then you learn the hard way 16:45 you can also die heroically by falling down the stairs 16:46 i watch a lot of people play and it drives me nuts watching hoarders play burdened all the time 16:46 you don't realize how much it affects stuff 16:47 oh great aphrodite... at least it's DL15 and not 5 or whtever 16:57 NetSysFire: https://github.com/NetHack/NetHack/pull/655 16:57 wow thanks qt 16:57 thanks for the quick fix 16:57 K2: the evilhack equivalent would be https://termbin.com/v6d9 17:00 though maybe it would be good to wait a bit and see if the vanilla devteam prefers to address it another way (like by adding a Flying check to deferred goto) 17:00 does this also apply if you're a giant and 'climb down'? 17:06 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Pri Ith Fem Cha), 4919 points, T:4758, killed by a piranha 17:06 noooooo gdi 17:06 i had +oidentify 17:08 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Neu) killed Aphrodite, on T:36085 17:10 Graznop: when you climb down as a giant it still says 'deliberately drop down' right? 17:10 it does apply but I think that makes sense, you're still falling between levels 17:10 it's just squeezing into the hole itself where you're climbing, is my interpretation 17:10 why can't my character just hold onto it 17:11 are they so surprised to be falling maybe? 17:11 yes, that makes sense if you choose to deliberately drop down 17:32 -!- Umbire has quit [Quit: Umbire zaps a wand of digging!] 17:36 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 17:39 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Arc Dwa Fem Neu), 202 points, T:838, killed by a platinum dart 18:36 [hdf-eu] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law) had a pair of falconry gloves entrusted to him by Quetzalcoatl, on T:4733 18:44 [hdf-eu] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law) had a mithril stout spear entrusted to him by Quetzalcoatl, on T:5327 18:50 [hdf-eu] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law) had a knife entrusted to him by Quetzalcoatl, on T:6492 18:51 [hdf-eu] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law), 3022 points, T:6557, killed by a snake 18:53 Had to be a snake 18:55 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Con Dwa Fem Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:54511 18:56 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Con Dwa Fem Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:54515 19:01 -!- spicyCebolla has joined #evilhack 19:02 [hdf-eu] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law), 1463 points, T:2220, killed by a fall onto poison spikes 19:18 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 19:51 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Arc Dwa Fem Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping a gold perforated amulet on an altar, on T:3146 20:03 [hdf-eu] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law), 1618 points, T:1934, killed by a pony, while unconscious from rotten food 20:09 [hdf-eu] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law), 334 points, T:1038, killed by a gnome lady 20:10 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Pri Ith Fem Cha), 1053 points, T:1578, killed by a water moccasin 20:21 [hdf-eu] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law), 916 points, T:1848, killed by a mountain dwarf 20:33 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Pri Ith Fem Cha), 1704 points, T:3456, killed by a manes 20:35 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Con Dwa Fem Cha) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:55069 20:36 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Con Ith Fem Cha), 394 points, T:1374, killed by a water moccasin 20:40 go mobileuser 20:51 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Pri Ith Fem Cha), 1242 points, T:3638, killed by a piranha 21:08 [hdf-eu] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law) had a pair of combat boots entrusted to him by Quetzalcoatl, on T:7843 21:09 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 21:12 NetSysFire :/ 21:13 [hdf-eu] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law) averted death (killed by an invisible gnomish wizard), on T:8267 21:15 [hdf-eu] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law), 4206 points, T:8313, killed by an invisible gnomish wizard 21:19 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/37f7af7021f7...cb2d8d3d5eed 21:19 [EvilHack] k21971 cb2d8d3 - Fix: don't 'fall' and self-stone when flying down. 21:21 easy baby hack, back in my day when you flew through a hole wielding a cockatrice corpse you'd just die 21:22 times are a changin 21:25 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 21:32 that commit is live 21:33 nice! 21:33 NetSysFire you can purposely fall and try to miss the ground now whilst carrying questionable corpses 21:38 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Con Dwa Fem Cha) averted death (killed by Asmodeus), on T:55586 21:38 wow, ok 21:39 lesson learned, Asmodeus now a major PITA 21:40 @e?Asmodeus 21:41 Asmodeus (&) | Lvl: 105 | Diff: 53 | Spd: 12 | Res: fire cold poison drain | Confers: nothing | MR: 90 | Generates: unique | AC: -7 | Attacks: 4d6 weapon physical, 3d6 claw slow, 6d6 cast cold, 6d6 cast clerical | Alignment: 20 | Flags: flies, seeinvis, poisonous, nopoly, stalker, covetous, infravisible 21:41 Speed-removing attack and clerical casting, eh 21:41 That'd about do it 21:42 K2: \o/ 21:50 yeah the speed-removing took me by surprise 22:00 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:24 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu), 989 points, T:3571, killed by a mountain dwarf 22:38 -!- tinklebear has joined #evilhack 22:38 -!- tinklebear has quit [Client Quit] 22:38 -!- tinklebear has joined #evilhack 22:40 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Con Dwa Fem Cha) killed the invisible Asmodeus, on T:57024 22:40 REVENGE \o/ 22:41 cheesy boulder fort for the win :-) 22:41 silver aklys strikes again 22:41 of course 22:41 literally 22:42 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 22:43 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 22:47 -!- amateurhour has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:52 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 23:07 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Val Dwa Fem Law), 980 points, T:1394, killed by a dwarf zombie 23:11 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Val Dwa Fem Law), 221 points, T:1012, zombified by a kobold zombie 23:19 i love how K2 is killed by his own evül zombies 23:34 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Orc Fem Cha), 906 points, T:2127, killed by an ancient pseudodragon called Toothless, while sleeping 23:50 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Val Dwa Fem Law), 10888 points, T:5948, killed by a displacer beast 23:50 oh man 23:50 i hope that's not bones 23:50 alhoon was there and summon nasties 23:52 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack