00:02 <K2> !who
00:02 <Hecubus> K2: [hdf-us] Cronos [evil] :: [hdf-eu] No current players :: [hdf-au] No current players
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00:53 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Orc Fem Cha) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:77272
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01:25 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dolores (Ran Gno Fem Cha), 212 points, T:650, killed by a sewer rat
01:32 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Gno Fem Cha), 4208 points, T:4785, killed by a tengu
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02:29 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Ran Gno Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:6553
03:02 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Celefoombor (Inf Ith Fem Una), 172 points, T:514, killed by a boulder
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03:45 <Not-5c6a> [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/ec7d1a5102d7...db172d5b049e
03:45 <Not-5c6a> [EvilHack] k21971 db172d5 - Indestructable objects have same chance to resist cancellation as intelligent artifacts.
03:46 <K2> !who
03:46 <Hecubus> K2: [hdf-us] bouquet [evil] Cronos [evil] tinklebear [evil] :: [hdf-eu] No current players :: [hdf-au] No current players
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09:34 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Con Dwa Fem Cha) killed Medusa, on T:40120
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13:27 <mobileuser> K2 nice commit for blessed objects possibly resisting cancellation! no use for infidels, but hey, that role is different anyway
13:30 <Graznop> K2 also thanks for the commit giving indestructables a better chance of resisting. The Bell is safer!
13:33 <mobileuser> ah good point, the dreaded -1:0 bell
13:34 <Graznop> i think only a 20% chance of a blessed item resisting is a bit stingy though 
13:41 <K2> dont look a gift horse in the mouth :)
13:42 <K2> those commits are live fyi
13:42 <Graznop> my C is a bit rusty, but looking at the code there are a couple of things I'd like a second opinion on...
13:42 <K2> shoot
13:42 <Graznop> ...both are in the players favour though
13:43 <Graznop> https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/blob/master/src/zap.c#L3124 Should this be comparing cnt with nobj, not onum?
13:43 <K2> if you look just above that
13:43 <K2> onum = rnd(nobj);
13:44 <Graznop> so onum is an index into the inventory
13:44 <K2> it takes the number of objects in open inventory, runs rnd() on it
13:45 <K2> so if you have 5 objects, onum could be anything from 1 to 5
13:45 <qt> yeah Graznop it's an index into the inventory
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13:45 <K2> yeah that
13:45 <K2> your technical words frighten and confuse my primitive caveman brain
13:45 <Graznop> and cnt is the number of objects to cancel
13:46 <K2> si
13:46 <K2> cnt could be anything from 1 to 6 depending on conditions
13:47 <K2> if you have MR, cnt becomes rnd(3)
13:47 <K2> if you have MR + half spell damage, cnt becomes rnd(2)
13:47 <K2> so, another use for half spell damage most of you probably didnt realize
13:47 <Graznop> so if onum is randomly selected as 1, say and cnt is 3...
13:48 <Graznop> ...then cnt becomes 1
13:49 <K2> yes
13:49 <qt> yeah Graznop i agreei don't really get that
13:50 <qt> if an item early in the chain gets canceled that reduces the number of items canceled?
13:50 <Graznop> it's in the players favour though, so WONTFIX is good ;-)
13:50 <K2> ok so
13:51 <K2> lets say you only have 2 objects in open inv
13:51 <K2> and cnt winds up being 6
13:51 <K2> you'll get a lot of spam, same objects getting canncelled multiple times in one go
13:52 <Graznop> if ( cnt > nobj ) cnt = nobj would make more sense to me
13:53 <K2> by adding
13:53 <K2>                 if (cnt > onum)
13:53 <K2>                     cnt = onum;
13:53 <K2> it prevents most of the spam
13:53 <qt> but onum isn't the number of objects in inventory
13:53 <qt> if you have 30 objects in inventory, onum could be 1
13:53 <K2> correct
13:53 <K2> onum is a random number of objects
13:54 <qt> so if you roll "cancel 10 items" it will make it cancel only 1 item if you roll a 1
13:54 <qt> or rather if you roll "cancel the first item in teh chain"
13:54 <amateurhour> nothing to see here
13:54 <amateurhour> these are not the droids you are looking for
13:54 <K2> ah
13:54 <mobileuser> wave
13:54 <qt> Graznop is right i think
13:55 <mobileuser> you immediately forget this
13:55 <K2> cool
13:55 <Graznop> here's another droid you're not looking for:
13:55 <qt> also nobj is a bad name for the number of objects because most of the time it means "the next object in the linked list"
13:55 <qt> it's confusing me
13:56 <qt> i would rename nobj to onum (since that sounds like "the number of objects") and rename onum to oindex
13:56 <qt> personally
13:56 <qt> but that's just a style thing
13:56 <Graznop> If onum is selected as zero, then the condition in L3131 is never met and nothing is cancelled?
13:57 <qt> rnd low bound is 1 i think
13:57 <qt> 1 <= rnd(z) <= z
13:57 <qt> so onum (or oindex, as I prefer to call it ;) shouldn't be zero
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13:58 <K2> right
13:58 <K2> rnd never lower than 1
13:58 <K2> rn2 could produce a zero
13:58 <Graznop> that explains it! TIL
14:02 <K2> alrighty so
14:02 <K2> proposed fix?
14:04 <Graznop> how about making the number of objects cancelled a call to rnl instead of rnd?
14:07 <K2> i'm not familiar with rnl
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14:10 <Graznop> rnl seems to be a luck based thingy, which biases towards zero with higher luck
14:10 <K2> i'm not going to factor luck into this
14:16 <K2> https://termbin.com/v7cp
14:16 <K2> Graznop, make more sense? ^
14:16 <K2> and does this make qt more big happy for less confused
14:16 <qt> I demand nobj renamed to onum
14:16 <qt> that was the one that was really confusing
14:17 <K2> but isnt nobj an actual thing? its all over nethack code
14:17 <qt> yeah but it means something totally different, that's the confusing part
14:17 <qt> here it means "number of objects" normally it means "next item in the linked list"
14:17 <K2> yeah but this
14:18 <K2>         for (otmp = (youdefend ? invent : mdef->minvent);
14:18 <K2>              otmp; otmp = otmp->nobj) {
14:18 <K2> is in same code block
14:18 <qt> that's why it's confusing
14:18 <qt> that part is the "next item in the linked list"
14:18 <K2> right
14:18 <qt> and it's used in the same place as "number of objects"
14:18 <K2> if I change
14:18 <K2> int nobj
14:18 <K2> will that screw up the other bits
14:18 <qt> no, just don't change the otmp->nobj part
14:19 <K2> right
14:19 <K2> just afraid changing int nobj to int onum would screw up that part
14:19 <K2> Graznop if you havent figured it out by now, i'm not a programmer :P
14:19 <K2> you prob know more than I do
14:20 <qt> no it won't
14:20 <qt> that's the reason i say it's confusing to name the variable 'nobj'
14:20 <qt> it leads to thinking like that ;)
14:20 <qt> i was similarly confused when I read it
14:20 <Graznop> naming aside, your fix fixes the issue i saw. This fix is not good for the player though!
14:22 <K2> https://termbin.com/xjch
14:22 <K2> ^ better?
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14:23 <qt> looks right to me at a glance
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14:23 <K2> testing it
14:27 <amateurhour> I think you should rename them all 'a', 'b', and 'c'
14:28 <amateurhour> pros: consistant naming standard, no bikeshedding over variable names, no variable more confusing than another which reduces frustration
14:28 <K2> no
14:28 <K2> qt has spoken
14:29 <K2> we dare not incur the wrath of the shirt-maker
14:29 <qt> amateurhour has convinced me
14:29 <K2> amateurhour you've doomed us all
14:30 <Graznop> abc would also save energy when discussing (less bytes sent), and is quicker to type
14:35 <Not-5c6a> [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/db172d5b049e...a4807c960600
14:35 <Not-5c6a> [EvilHack] k21971 a4807c9 - Tweaks to object cancellation routine.
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15:14 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Con Dwa Fem Cha) made her first wish - "blessed +2 dragonhide T-shirt of decay", on T:40663
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16:42 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Val Cen Mal Neu) became Odin's Envoy of Balance, on T:40711
16:53 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu) became literate by engraving "Lilje", on T:3081
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17:16 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Pri Ith Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (energy vortices), on T:14093
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18:09 <NetSysFire> "I think I'll keep this wish for myself!"  The djinni makes a wish for a figurine of a woodchuck!
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18:10 <Umbire> lmfao
18:11 <K2> oh that's awesome
18:11 <K2> it's rare enough for the djinni to use the wish on itself
18:11 <K2> that it chose a figurine of a woodchuck...
18:12 <K2> the stars have aligned. the prophecy is coming true
18:12 <cbus> lol awesome djinni
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18:15 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Pri Ith Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:16818
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18:40 -!- platinum.libera.chat changed the topic on #evilhack to: EvilHack: a NetHack variant ¤ https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack ¤ public irc logs available at hardfought.org ¤ version 0.7.1 availble for public play on #hardfought ¤ see https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/EvilHack for gameplay information ¤ Bug tracker and future development ideas - https://www.hardfought.org/etherpad/p/EvilHack
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18:41 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] qt (Sam Hum Mal Law) had Dramborleg bestowed upon him by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:118744
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18:46 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Neu), 51273 points, T:17457, killed by a winged gargoyle, while praying
18:46 <rebatela> it's all microsoft's fault 
18:46 <K2> qt lucky
18:47 <qt> what is dramborleg?
18:47 <qt> it's good?
18:47 <qt> it blasted me when i picked it up, which seems weird
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18:47 <Umbire> Lawful dorfaxe
18:48 <Umbire> Why it blasted you is a bit of a puzzle
18:48 <amateurhour> not on the wiki???
18:48 <Umbire> Since I don't recall anything about it, is a p. recent addition
18:48 <K2> no its not on the wiki
18:48 <K2> its fairly new
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18:48 <amateurhour> isn't it like 6 months+
18:49 <K2> its a lawful dwarvish bearded axe
18:49 <K2> gives MR when wielded
18:49 <K2> can one shot balrogs with it
18:49 <amateurhour> september 5th
18:49 <amateurhour> so only 4 months
18:52 <K2> !who
18:52 <Hecubus> K2: [hdf-us] tinklebear [evil] :: [hdf-au] No current players :: [hdf-eu] Graznop [evil] mobileuser [evil]
18:53 <K2> https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/17612dd4fcea0fd763de7d43ff1f5a0baa5bebd3
18:58 <qt> oh it blasted me because I'm not a dwarf
18:59 <Umbire> Ya
18:59 <Umbire> That was what I thought but couldn't be remotely sure
18:59 <amateurhour> bit mean of ur god to gift you that
18:59 <amateurhour> what if you had died
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19:28 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Con Dwa Fem Cha) killed the Oracle, on T:41204
19:31 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Con Dwa Fem Cha) made her first artifact wish - "the blessed +2 Dragonbane", on T:41357
19:54 <K2> that's not an 8-ball wish is it?
19:54 <K2> mobileuser
19:59 <mobileuser> no, an 8-ball murder!
19:59 <mobileuser> dishes...
20:16 <K2> :)
20:16 <mobileuser> done! \o/
20:17 <K2> that was fast
20:17 <K2> usually takes me 30 min minimum
20:17 <amateurhour> you've not trained enough, still only at Basic
20:18 <K2> good day to you, sir!
20:19 <amateurhour> wax on wax off
20:19 <K2> I SAID GOOD DAY
20:19 <K2> lol
20:23 <rebatela> has anyone gotten an 8ball wish? 
20:23 <K2> i think once
20:24 <amateurhour> post nerf?
20:25 <K2> the odds were always ridiculously high
20:25 <K2> err low
20:26 <K2> confused myself there
20:26 <amateurhour> well it was only 10k before wasn't it?
20:26 <amateurhour> so easily possible to grind for that
20:26 <K2> maybe? its 100k now
20:26 <amateurhour> yeah
20:27 <qt> does getting a wish from it destroy it
20:28 <qt> i'd rather have the nice, beautiful, pretty magic 8-ball than some crummy ol' wish
20:28 <qt> when i use it i keep my fingers crossed hoping I don't get a wish
20:28 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law), 15590 points, T:17565, killed by an elven arrow
20:30 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Con Dwa Fem Cha) killed Warden Arianna, on T:42800
20:30 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Con Dwa Fem Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:42809
20:33 <mobileuser> qt lol
20:34 <mobileuser> now where is this secret chest the wiki promised...
20:35 <mobileuser> pfff a couple of dusty books
20:36 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Val Dwa Fem Law) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:3891
20:40 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Con Dwa Fem Cha) returned The Iron Ball of Liberation to Robert the Lifer, completing her quest, on T:43144
20:41 <mobileuser> "I know this must have been difficult to do" no it wasn't
20:41 <mobileuser> crap artifact
20:42 <qt> have you been a bad boy, mobileuser
20:42 <qt> or a bad girl, rather
20:43 <amateurhour> how long does the phasing last for?
20:43 <Umbire> "When carried, the Ball confers warning, displacement, magic resistance, and automatic searching. When invoked, it allows its user to phase through walls, but at the cost of chaining itself to the user."
20:43 <Umbire> That applies here, yeah?
20:45 <amateurhour> 50 + rnd(100) to answer my own question
20:46 <rebatela> ugh 3k turns in and invisible as giant 
20:50 <mobileuser> qt yeah I killed those watch monsters that STARTED IT FIRST
20:50 <mobileuser> :b
20:51 <rebatela> sounds like an awesome artifact?
20:51 <mobileuser> rebatela this is the way
20:51 <rebatela> oh is it really heavy?
20:51 <mobileuser> (the invisibility I mean)
20:51 <mobileuser> giants will be invisible early
20:52 <mobileuser> yeah it's bloody heavy
20:52 <rebatela> LANGUAGE... we don't say bloody over here 
20:52 <rebatela> it's a really bad word. To us it means bloody 
20:52 <mobileuser> good day to you sir! how do you do? :-)
20:53 <mobileuser> fucking heavy?
20:53 <qt> i like all those swear words that come from descriptions of the death of christ
20:53 <rebatela> much better :)
20:53 <mobileuser> heh
20:53 <qt> bloody, zounds
20:54 <mobileuser> perhaps the heavy ball could be a nice wish for a chaotic giant
20:55 <mobileuser> doesn't even break weaponless when you hit with it
20:55 <mobileuser> but needs flail skill
20:56 <Umbire> Chaotic giant monk strats 🤔
20:56 <Umbire> /hj
20:57 <rebatela> yeah. Any slotless MR is pretty huge for giant 
20:57 <qt> Umbire: stop offering people handjobs
20:57 <Umbire> no
20:57 <rebatela> also displacement is nice to get but would never waste the cloak slot for it 
20:57 <Umbire> Also with giant, kinda couldn't if you wanted to
20:57 <amateurhour> it's short for 'honly joking' qt
20:57 <rebatela> yeah. i just mean in general
20:58 <qt> idk im pretty sure it's short for '(btw anyone want a handjob?)'
20:58 <rebatela> someone recently had a bunch of displacer beast tins 
20:58 <mobileuser> carlarc I think
20:59 <rebatela> i wonder if that was from polypiling 
20:59 <rebatela> must have been because they are so rare to have found many and tinned them 
21:00 <qt> k2 racial monsters seem to be working really well :)
21:00 <qt> i know we did it a long time ago now, but this is the first game i've really played long enough to have a lot of experience encountering them
21:00 <K2> awesome
21:01 <mobileuser> they are great
21:01 <qt> it's pretty sweet, I haven't noticed any glaring flaws
21:01 <K2> really happy with it
21:01 <K2> we should add racial nurses for next version
21:02 <K2> and/or racial vampires
21:02 <K2> former would be easier I imagine
21:03 <Umbire> I thought you'd added those already?
21:03 <Umbire> Obviously not be when did...
21:03 <Umbire> Hm.
21:03 <K2> 'not be when did'
21:03 <Umbire> Latter I feel like you could take a cue from zombies, possibly?
21:03 <K2> what does that mean
21:03 <Umbire> but*
21:04 <K2> hmm probably nix the racial vampire bit
21:04 <K2> arent vampires trictly human?
21:04 <K2> *strictly
21:05 <Umbire> In vanilla and typical folklore, yeah
21:06 <Umbire> https://rpg.stackexchange.com/questions/131690/can-non-human-fantasy-races-be-vampires-in-dd
21:07 <K2> hah
21:07 <K2> yeah, should probably not go with racial vampires
21:08 <Umbire> Your call, yeah
21:22 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Val Dwa Fem Law), 7522 points, T:7363, killed by a gnoll
21:23 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law), 823 points, T:2494, killed by a fall onto poison spikes
21:32 <qt> > Gnomes: Could not turn away from a jewel.
21:35 <amateurhour> what if every type of monster could be a zombie/lycanthrope/vampire and it was really just a flag on the monster
21:36 <amateurhour> so we could have lycazombipire balrogs or something
21:36 <qt> i mean, you could just have a zombie base type and apply various races to them
21:37 <qt> just like 'human sergeant', 'elven sergeant', 'gnomish sergeant' but 'human zombie', 'elven zombie', 'gnomish zombie'
21:37 <amateurhour> not as cool as lycazombipires qt you're not thinking epic enough
21:41 <mobileuser> ah advantage stormbringer in the VotD, I can actually restore HP that way
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21:51 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Con Dwa Fem Cha) killed Cerberus, on T:44009
21:52 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Con Dwa Fem Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:44021
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22:20 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Con Dwa Fem Cha) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:44715
22:24 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu), 14921 points, T:10444, killed by a water troll
22:26 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu), 56 points, T:176, killed by an orcish dagger
22:30 <mobileuser> hmmm does the iron safe in Ludios always only contain gold... if so then not worth a wand of opening charge
22:37 <rebatela> ?? i don't think it's always just gold 
22:37 <rebatela> knock is a really easy spell to write/cast... 
22:38 <mobileuser> not for my convict
22:39 <mobileuser> I'll try the safe for science:-)
22:41 <mobileuser> 11 zK and 2 eggs lol
22:42 <Graznop> does the master key of thievery open safes?
22:42 <mobileuser> good question...
22:42 <mobileuser> it does open crystal chests I think?
22:43 <Graznop> yes. I was surprised by this the other day
22:44 <mobileuser> the commit only mentions crystal chests, so I guess it can't open a safe
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22:57 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu) became literate by engraving "Lilje", on T:3327
23:02 <qt> yeah i made it open crystal chests but it can't open safes
23:04 <qt> at the time i just thought it would be a fun little thing that nobody would actually use, but actually I guess it's useful since crystal chests are the best stash container
23:27 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu), 8438 points, T:6008, killed by a bolt of fire
23:30 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Elf Fem Neu), 0 points, T:1, killed by a bolt of cold
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