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00:32 <bouquet> looking for a compelling class to focus on next. I've done the giant samurai and human wizard to death.  
00:32 <bouquet> centaur knight sounds cool.  Is it?
00:34 <bouquet> what's the advantage to playing as a hobbit?  Extreme hunger and YASDs?
00:56 <spicyCebolla> you get to complain about insufficient breakfasts
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01:05 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Ran Gno Fem Cha), 839 points, T:2363, killed by a hobbit pickpocket
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01:11 <bouquet> well, there goes my ascension streak ::shruggie::
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01:23 <bouquet> wow, this goblin on dlvl1 was carrying 3 rations
01:29 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Tou Gno Fem Neu), 714 points, T:1585, killed by an imp
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02:25 <K2> gnome ranger... good choice
02:25 <K2> you'll get to bask in the glory that is the Crossbow of Carl
02:34 <bouquet> that's why I'm doing it!
02:35 <bouquet> I've always thought crossbows were underrepresented in nethack. In Slashem there's the one that shoots flaming arrows.
02:36 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Gno Fem Cha), 1841 points, T:3192, killed by a gray unicorn
02:38 <K2> object properties can be found on arrows and bolts in evilhack fyi
02:38 <K2> the offensive types
02:41 <bouquet> crossbow bolt of offensive language
02:43 <K2> :)
02:43 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Ran Gno Fem Cha), 4 points, T:88, killed by a fox
02:54 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Ran Gno Fem Cha), 720 points, T:1536, killed by a fog cloud
02:54 <bouquet> meanest fog cloud I ever saw
02:59 <K2> heh
02:59 <K2> !who
02:59 <Hecubus> K2: [hdf-eu] No current players :: [hdf-us] bouquet [evil] :: [hdf-au] No current players
04:36 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Ran Gno Fem Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3642
04:55 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Mosh (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:16131
05:26 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Mosh (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:18426
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06:34 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Mosh (Val Dwa Fem Law) had a small shield entrusted to her by Tyr, on T:21237
07:29 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Mosh (Val Dwa Fem Law), 42931 points, T:25861, suffocated by a gelatinous cube, while frozen by a monster
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12:25 <NetSysFire> K2: i think i found an exploit!
12:25 <NetSysFire> if you slay a zombie horde and just move upstairs and wait, all of the corpses will rot
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12:32 <aosdict> that's not an exploit that's normal behavior
12:33 <amateurhour> zambos are meant to resurrect sometimes aosdict, maybe that's the exploit
12:36 <Graznop> hypothetical question: if I found a minor exploit, how long is it reasonable to use it before reporting? 1 game? 10 games? Forever?
12:36 <krm26> 0 games
12:36 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Inf Ith Fem Una) destroyed the invisible mightyquinn's ghost, the former Field Worker, on T:5531
12:36 <krm26> not a competition :-)
12:39 <Graznop> 0 games is unreasonable - at least one game is necessary to check it actually works ;-)
12:39 <krm26> livelog your exploit!
12:43 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Inf Ith Fem Una), 8470 points, T:6200, killed by an ape
12:47 <mobileuser> taunt K2 ;-)
12:48 <Graznop> lol
12:48 <mobileuser> I remember when I posted gushing stories about exploiting reviving chameleon pets :b
12:50 <Graznop> what used to happen?
12:50 <mobileuser> normally when a chameleon pet gets killed in shapeshifted form, it won't be able to change shape anymore
12:51 <mobileuser> but if they saved/reloaded they were suddenly able to do it again
12:51 <mobileuser> at one point I had a whole army when one of them turned gremlin
12:54 <aosdict> Graznop: I would say it's worth at least 1 ascension
12:54 <amateurhour> no1 managed to ascend with infidel hooa ascension
12:54 <amateurhour> :'(
12:55 <Graznop> this hypothetical exploit is minor by comparison
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13:00 <aosdict> in my experience running away to another floor to let zombies rot is not a working strategy because evilhack will throw at least one more new zombie pack at you in the meantime
13:00 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Inf Ith Fem Una) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3174
13:02 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Inf Ith Fem Una), 1321 points, T:3507, killed by a mountain dwarf
13:03 <krm26> K2: the fourk extra healing change seems like it may be evil in some version; only extra healing increases maximum health, and with a diminishing cap, preventing super-high healths. have you considered that?
13:04 <mobileuser> NetSysFire is that even true? From my last game I remember running into the same damn revived zombie every time I travelled between my stash level and minetown
13:05 <NetSysFire> i more or less just tested it
13:05 <NetSysFire> i had a dwarf zombie downstairs, killed it, went upstairs fought some monsters and when i came back, corpse gone
13:05 <mobileuser> could be RNG?
13:05 <mobileuser> I my game it revived a number of times
13:06 <mobileuser> * in my game
13:09 <Umbire> krm26: So you're saying you want Orcus to be a game-ender again
13:09 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Inf Ith Fem Una), 939 points, T:2550, killed by a sewer rat
13:09 <NetSysFire> aaaaaa
13:10 <krm26> orcus is best served bouldered
13:10 <mobileuser> krm26 sporkhack has a cap on health and it is EXTREMELY ANNOYING
13:11 <mobileuser> sorry for shouting ;-)
13:11 <krm26> i didn't say cap on health, i said diminishing returns :-)  but if the suggestion upsets you a bit, maybe the suggestion is *truely evil enough* :-)
13:12 <Umbire> Who says I'm upset
13:12 <mobileuser> AAAAAHHHHH
13:12 <Umbire> That's just the first thing what game to min-- oh you meant mobileuser 
13:12 <mobileuser> lol
13:13 <krm26> anyhow, just a thought, at least the first part (only extra healing increasing maximum health) seems like a nice way to differentiate potions
13:13 <krm26> full healing still has critical combat value
13:13 <krm26> but extra healing becomes more than just an alchemy stepping stone
13:13 <mobileuser> I quaff all undiluted extra healing anyway
13:13 <krm26> even without any kind of hp cap or diminishing returns it still limits stuff because you're gonna bloody well want full healing a lot of the time
13:14 <mobileuser> healing --> diluted extra healing --> diluted full healing makes for stack of emergency potions
13:15 <mobileuser> undiluted full healing: quaff
13:15 <krm26> yeah, everybody does that; makes alchemy a little boring. there should be a few other paths, or even better, COLOR ALCHEMY :-)  which if i recall K2 hates
13:15 <mobileuser> me too
13:16 <Umbire> It's dependent on appearances and you can just get fucked out of a certain combo because the colors needed are either vital for other shit 
13:16 <Umbire> or just straight up don't spawn
13:16 <mobileuser> the diluted rules already constitute a nerf
13:17 <mobileuser> color alchemy = I just don't bother with alchemy
13:19 <K2> no one likes color alchemy
13:19 <K2> even the people who claim they like it, hate it
13:21 <K2> <krm26> K2: the fourk extra healing change seems like it may be evil in some version; only extra healing increases maximum health, and with a diminishing cap, preventing super-high healths. have you considered that? <--- sprokhack has diminishing returns on healing pots also. I initially considered it and decided against. evilhack is hard enough as it is, even with a lot of hp. no need to 
13:21 <K2> implement that nerf
13:22 <K2> *sporkhack
13:23 <Umbire> Agree
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13:45 <amateurhour> remove all sources of extra hp >:)
13:45 <amateurhour> it wouldn't really fit in evilhack, but you could imagine a variant balanced around that
13:46 <Graznop> a variant where you start with lots of hp, and lose some each time you level up
13:47 <amateurhour> a few variants have a mode where you start with 999 hp but can never recover it or something
14:01 <aosdict> color alchemy is great the <2% of the time you get a combo like red fruit juice plus yellow sickness equals orange full healing, and bad the rest of the time
14:01 <krm26> yeah i don't really like color alchemy either; but current alchemy is boring. maybe alchemy is really inefficient (many potions -> 1 or none) until you learn alchemy recipes. could be addenda in certain books (spellbook of extra healing has a recipe for making full healing, etc). there should definitely be additional recipes for creating sickness (jc+halluc?), invis (blind+nrg?), etc
14:03 <krm26> like you can do alchemy ad-hoc but without the precise information in a recipe it can't be used to mass produce stuff
14:03 <amateurhour> what do you think of potion making in slashem? it still has alchemy but I mean potion making with a chemistry kit
14:03 <krm26> could even do something like gate the full healing recipe at orcus :-)
14:04 <amateurhour> actually think it might be slashthem rather than slashem that has it
14:04 <krm26> i'm not familiar with slashem -- only hit upon the fourk stuff because of the release note on hardfought leading me to read their changelog
14:04 <krm26> i havent played any variant but evil in years now
14:04 <amateurhour> fair enough
14:05 <amateurhour> I feel like you'd be able to beat any variant with ease at this point
14:05 <krm26> i did fiq/unnethack prior to evil, liked both of those
14:07 <krm26> honestly familiarity -> ascensions, like 10 years ago i could chain ascensions in vanilla easily but when i played in tnnt this past year i failed utterly to do that
14:08 <amateurhour> maybe dnh would be tricky if things being different is your achilles heel, but even that I think you'd just blaze through
14:09 <krm26> i did a quick dnethack dive just before tnnt, it looked intriguing...but i'm not sure i have the demeanour/attention span anymore to tackle something unspoiled (my first vanilla ascension was unspoiled and took over a decade :-)
14:10 <krm26> i'm content to read changelogs from other variants and play evilhack 
14:10 <amateurhour> go in with full spoilers imo
14:10 <krm26> besides this is the only channel i'm in and nobody wants me to start spouting complaints about other versions here
14:10 <amateurhour> can yolo slashem easily but I don't think dnh is as possible
14:11 <amateurhour> heh there's always #hardfought and ##nethack-variants
14:11 <amateurhour> or you can add a cheeky little evilhack comment at the end of every praise/complaint
14:12 <amateurhour> e.g. potion making in slashthem is SO cool
14:12 <amateurhour> hey wouldnt it be weird if evilhack had that, rite guise??
14:13 <krm26> i just can't play a nethack version that has chefs and crap in it
14:13 <krm26> the internal consistency of nethack is already pretty loose but that is a bridge too far
14:14 <krm26> i like a coherent narrative
14:14 <krm26> with occasional keystone kops
14:14 <mobileuser> and dishwashers
14:15 <Umbire> and quantum mechanics jokes
14:15 <Umbire> and literal kitchen sinks
14:18 <amateurhour> lol what's wrong with chef role
14:18 <aosdict> nethack has kitchen sinks and dishwashers, so by inference there must already be chefs somewhere around
14:19 <krm26> there is a kitchen sink and dishwasher in my house, but no chef
14:19 <aosdict> how do you feel about orc chefs in orctown
14:21 <Umbire> lol
14:22 <bhaak> there's an apron message "Don't mess with the chef" so there are already chefs in vanilla
14:22 <amateurhour> the lore!!!!
14:26 <aosdict> l o r e
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15:22 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Neu) had Ogresmasher bestowed upon him by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:57793
15:22 <rebatela> cmon shih... we need dragonbane
15:23 <rebatela> chih&
15:23 <rebatela> *chih sung-tzu
15:24 <rebatela> i guess i can give ogresmasher to one of the titans
15:25 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Neu) had Cleaver bestowed upon him by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:57844
15:25 <rebatela> bah
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15:28 <rebatela> oh boy a 3rd titan 
15:29 <rebatela> haha i have a pack of them now. 2 of them heavily armed 
15:29 <rebatela> and i think there's one a couple levels below 
15:35 <rebatela> this is the game i need to get dragonbane from god though for once
15:35 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Neu) had Dragonbane bestowed upon him by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:58321
15:35 <rebatela> YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
15:35 <krm26> hah, grats
15:36 <rebatela> now i can take the titans to visit kathryn, maybe vecna 
15:37 <rebatela> although they probably don't have acid resistance. i should probably be careful 
15:37 <rebatela> one has -29 ac , one -22. i still gotta dress the 3rd one 
15:38 <krm26> that's overkill for kathryn for sure
15:38 <krm26> feed them winter wolves for cold resistance :-)
15:39 <krm26> me, i'm kinda stuck between cerberus and kathryn, not sure i can take either
15:39 <krm26> wish i had a titan
15:43 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] hackemslashem (Rog Elf Mal Neu), 3175 points, T:3684, killed by an owlbear
15:45 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Tou Hob Fem Neu) killed Cerberus, on T:69403
15:46 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Tou Hob Fem Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:69431
15:48 <rebatela> i got the titans from doing all the summoning trying to get dragonbane. altar was on dl17 or somethng 
15:48 <rebatela> it's fun giving them all the enchanted gear though as i've upgraded 
15:52 <rebatela> trying to poly for flying. i sewar i've found every other amulet 
15:56 <rebatela> at least if i splat, it will make for some interesting bones with the pets....
15:56 <rebatela> i enchanted a vorpal blade but they won't wield it because they're lawful i guess
15:56 <rebatela> but i think i might have one of them carry it around anyway so it'll be on the bones level (if i die) 
15:57 <rebatela> they'll carry it, just won't wield
15:57 <krm26> my new technique for gray dragons: wear black DSM and let them disintegrate themselves against me
15:57 <rebatela> ha! nice
15:57 <rebatela> i've geno'd both gray and black dragons this game if my notes are correct (haven't played this game in weeks so i forget what i'm doing )
15:58 <krm26> i name stuff with critical info -- my towel, my luckstone, etc 
15:58 <rebatela> yeah i do that too
15:58 <rebatela> but i usually have a notepad and pen 
15:58 <krm26> my current luckstone is named "#mg eat =dam.tp.wrn.c" to remind me what rings are xorn-edible this game
15:58 <rebatela> i dont' do the spreadsheet stuff 
15:59 <rebatela> some people will saying even having a pen and paper is cheating or wahtever lol 
15:59 <rebatela> but naming your luckstone is ok 
15:59 <krm26> "thinking is cheating"
15:59 <rebatela> man i sholuldn't have brought the titans here becuase i want to kite the wraiths
16:03 <rebatela> god dammit box trap blew up my ring of levitation and teleport wand 
16:04 <rebatela> now i really need flying
16:04 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] hackemslashem (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 747 points, T:2486, killed by a rabid dog
16:08 <krm26> I should have paid more attention -- goblin named Wilmar on the first vecna level? maybe should have chatted with him
16:10 <krm26> oh i see, ghosts polymorphing themselves into weird crap
16:13 <K2> YANI: new command called #notes - opens up blank windows where you can type whatever, and saves it for that particular game. can reference it anytime you want
16:13 <K2> *window
16:14 <rebatela> sweet poly spellbook! now i just need the matter staff
16:29 <rebatela> might actually use my last wish on it 
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16:37 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Neu) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:61291
16:39 <krm26> man i hate that magic trap in the valley -- where in heck did i leave my jumping boots
16:40 <K2> next to qt's lev boots of poison res
16:43 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Neu) defeated the invisible Kathryn the Ice Queen, on T:61575
16:45 <rebatela> k2: #notes would be awesome. . I mean you can already annotate the level with notes which is an addition i absolutely love 
16:45 <rebatela> that kind of eliminated the need to name your towel/unihorn as much 
16:46 <qt> would #notes require you to implement a full text editor inside nethack? would it just open vim?
16:46 <krm26> i don't think that is necessary
16:46 <qt> would it only be a single line of notes, like #annotate without a specific level?
16:46 <krm26> although i would like items that you are given a prompt to name (potion crashing on you) were added to the discovery list even if you didn't name them (because of the curses numlock dismissal bug)
16:47 <rebatela> oh nice wand of death in one of these crystal chests
16:48 <amateurhour> qt it should teleport you to a blank map where you can walk around and #engrave your messages
16:48 <rebatela> AND THE MARKER!! W00T
16:48 <amateurhour> calling #notes a second time would teleport you back to where you were
16:48 <rebatela> now let's not piss kathryn off for the 3rd time...
16:48 <qt> amateurhour: now we're talking
16:50 <rebatela> kathryn marker was 0:71 
16:53 <K2> qt: I dont envision #notes as a single line. imagine it opening (on first use) a blank window. you could type anything you wanted in it
16:53 <K2> and add to it as needed
16:54 <K2> i'm not sure how to go about creating that
16:54 <K2> kinda surprised it's not already a thing in vanilla
16:55 <K2> or another variant
17:01 <qt> but you'd have to basically implement a text editor right?
17:01 <K2> maybe? I dunno
17:01 <K2> maybe it could work like #annotate does
17:02 <qt> the current way you enter text in nethack, you can't even move the cursor back and forth
17:02 <krm26> could just use the shell's default editor
17:02 <qt> so if you have a whole window of text you'd have to delete everything and retype it to change something in line 1
17:02 <K2> vi or rnano
17:02 <K2> qt I see your point
17:02 <amateurhour> can't wait for there to be some exposed shell escape in the text editor
17:02 <amateurhour> let's goooo
17:02 <krm26> heh
17:02 <K2> hah
17:03 <K2> so dont shell, actually incorporate a text editor into nethack :P
17:03 <qt> #notes:!rm /home/k2
17:03 <K2> hahah
17:03 <krm26> Just have level 2 always be a big blank level with no monster generation 25% full of boulders and let people spell out notes by shoving them around :-)
17:03 <K2> lol
17:04 <amateurhour> it's a lot of work just to save people the effort of using paper and a pen irl, or opening a text editor
17:04 <K2> its still a great idea though
17:04 <K2> those are the only kind I have
17:04 <K2> #notes for lyfe
17:04 <qt> you could allow people to create individual one-line 'notes', basically like the 'add/remove/view pickup exceptions' system
17:05 <K2> oooh
17:05 <qt> that sounds like it might be the easiest way to do it with the least surface area for abuse
17:05 <K2> like a journal entry
17:05 <krm26> here's a combo crazy/actually workable idea -- additional write target when engraving with fingers, self, and show that "engraving" in a status line
17:09 <Graznop> Strange pricing issue: 4 scrolls on the floor cost 480z. I pick one up and it costs 107z, the three on the floor are now 321z. Pick them up and drop them they are back to 480z
17:10 <Graznop> This ttyrec shows the issue: https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/G/Graznop/evilhack/ttyrec/2022-01-07.17:03:04.ttyrec.gz
17:17 <K2> its depreciation
17:18 <K2> second you drive a car off the lot, its value is slashed in half
17:18 <Graznop> followed by inflation
17:19 <qt> Graznop: awesome bug
17:19 <qt> i love it
17:19 <qt> super weird
17:21 <qt> what happens if you pick up the whole stack and split it while it's in your inventory? same thing
17:21 <qt> ?
17:21 <Graznop> yes. it's as if charisma is changing
17:22 <Graznop> hang on a mo...
17:23 <Graznop> splitting the stack keeps the price at 120z. Dropping the scroll and it's then 107 on the floor
17:24 <qt> ok. I wondered about that, splitting works a little differently if the item is already on the bill
17:24 <qt> hmmm
17:24 <Graznop> it's also happening with another stack, prices going between 142 and 160
17:26 <qt> omg i just reproduced it
17:27 <krm26> someplace not always applying racial shopkeeper mod?
17:28 <Graznop> in this instance there should be no racial shopkeeper mod - I'm a centaur, shopkeep is elven
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17:34 <qt> i think i see the problem
17:36 <qt> lol
17:36 <qt> the price increases the more you buy at once
17:36 <qt> this is the worst sale ever
17:36 <qt> it's like the reverse costco
17:38 <qt> K2: the problem is shk.c:2400
17:38 <K2> hah
17:38 <K2> the costco effect
17:38 <qt> it takes into account quantity, but the function is calculating the per-item price
17:38 <K2> new motion picture from qt studios
17:39 <qt> so that means the more you're buying at once, the higher the minimum price it applies will be
17:39 <qt> is that line even necessary any more now that you're removed racial price adjustments when selling items?
17:39 <K2> ... no it isnt
17:39 <qt> if not remove it I guess, if so just remove the '* obj->quan' parts
17:40 <K2> but would you have to stop filming on 'the costco effect' if I did?
17:40 <krm26> it is a good safety check for any future modifications tho
17:40 <krm26> (with quantity removed)
17:41 <qt> filming is going ahead either way, i had to pay a boatload for these fucking cameras since I bought 10 at a time
17:41 <K2> lol
17:42 <qt> hopefully we sell a lot of tickets to couples and families, we'll never recoup costs if everyone buys their tickets separately
17:42 <K2> you couldnt pull off a 'Kevin Smith 'Clerks' budget of $27,500' eh?
17:43 <krm26> should really pull out offer determination in sellobj into its own tiny function and call it for the check also to be future proof
17:43 <K2> https://termbin.com/ohge
18:13 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Neu) killed Baalzebub, on T:62349
18:15 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law) eschewed atheism, by dropping a dagger on an altar, on T:3922
18:19 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Tou Hob Fem Neu) killed Croesus, on T:73216
18:23 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Neu) killed Yeenoghu, on T:62456
18:26 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Val Cen Fem Neu) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:5949
18:35 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Cronos (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 47 points, T:45, killed by a system shock
18:36 <rebatela> it's been so long since i've fought orcus in evil I forget my strats 
18:37 <K2> hugs and compliments
18:37 <rebatela> ahh that's right
18:37 <rebatela> ;)
18:37 <rebatela> i have 3 pet titans and an eldritch kirin, but they don't seem to want anything to do with demon lords 
18:37 <rebatela> also the titans tend to screw up boulder forts ime 
18:38 <rebatela> but i feel like i often get drained by that "wand" 
18:42 <K2> demon lords are much higher level than typical monsters
18:43 <rebatela> right
18:43 <rebatela> i know but it's even worse when a titan picks up part of the boulder fort. i think i dided to graz't that way 
18:43 <rebatela> so i'll just leave them behind 
18:47 <krm26> yeah, boulder-holders are bad juju for giant players
19:27 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Neu) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:62731
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19:46 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Neu) destroyed the invisible Vlad the Impaler, on T:63447
19:46 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:63453
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20:31 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:5418
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20:50 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law), 2964 points, T:6883, killed by a gas spore's explosion
21:04 <qt> do i really need to make a boulder fort to fight gary on
21:04 <amateurhour> that's what all the best players seem to do
21:05 <qt> maybe it's a sign of the lategame being somewhat unbalanced if i can plough through levels with my eyes closed but the only way to fight boss monsters is to cheese it with boulder forts
21:07 <amateurhour> I didn't boulder fort when I took on gary, but I lost my ring of levi as I didn't know they had a shock weapon
21:07 <amateurhour> then got oblierated by Orcus
21:08 <krm26> the boulder fort strategy is pretty powerful and ubiquitous -- i've been jawing a lot about giving wands of striking to demon lords :-)
21:08 <krm26> of course without a boulder fort i'd just #quit when i see graz'zt
21:09 <amateurhour> do any of the demon lairs have them not at the stairs?
21:09 <amateurhour> would be cool to just avoid them
21:10 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] qt (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed Geryon, on T:108496
21:14 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law), 1384 points, T:2066, killed by a baby owlbear
21:18 <rebatela> oh you tricky thing krm26. Did you think of giving wands of stirking to demon lords all on your own? I don't think anyone's ever thought of that 
21:18 <krm26> i can't tell, is that cruel sarcasm?
21:18 <rebatela> you should wait until you get bored of the strategy and then tell k2 that you think it's OP and the demons should have striking wands. 
21:18 <rebatela> yes
21:18 <rebatela> sorry
21:19 <rebatela> sometimes they do have striking wands fwiw 
21:19 <mobileuser> I had one last game
21:19 <mobileuser> but then it weirdly didn't notice the gap in the fort
21:20 <rebatela> ha! exactly
21:20 <krm26> i assure you that any time something seems to easy to me i whine about it the very first time
21:20 <rebatela> the ai isn't quite there 
21:20 <krm26> i often whine for no reason at all
21:20 <rebatela> i'm just teasing man 
21:21 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Tou Hob Fem Neu) defeated the invisible Kathryn the Ice Queen, on T:74655
21:21 <krm26> wow, my black dsm did all the heavy lifting for me yet again
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21:26 <qt> i noticed the same thing mobileuser, I got fed up chucking things at gary on so I opened a little spot for him but he still just kept dancing around outside
21:28 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law), 903 points, T:2555, killed by a giant ant
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21:28 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Val Cen Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, acquiring an amulet of reflection, on T:10425
21:32 <qt> seriously what causes this? https://0x0.st/ozRT.png https://0x0.st/ozRm.png
21:32 <qt> isolated, marked as could see/in sight, there's no line to it or anything....
21:33 <krm26> i've noticed monsters can have a hard time reevaluating a vanished boulder
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22:35 <rebatela> amateurhour: oh i'm looking at your game. died to orcus. no shame in that, man
22:35 <rebatela> he's a pita now 
22:36 <rebatela> and you likely left some sick bones for someone (maybe you?) 
22:37 <rebatela> whatever you do don't stop playing evil... you're my monk brother from another mother. we gotta keep rockin this shit 
22:38 <rebatela> but yeah if you're not on the stairs with orcus these days it gets real bad 
22:38 <amateurhour> I had bones off
22:38 <rebatela> d'oh
22:38 <rebatela> you know it doesn't affect wishing anymore? 
22:42 <amateurhour> yeah I just never play with bones
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22:50 <qt> hmm
22:50 <qt> the bug with isolated lava being visible is actually in nethack
22:51 <amateurhour> perfect
22:51 <amateurhour> delegate the fixing to ur favourite devteam member and call it a day
22:52 <qt> it's just not really visible there unless you do #vision in wizmode
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