00:11 -!- krm26 has joined #evilhack 00:11 happy new year everyone 00:12 Thanks! 00:14 have a good one, krm26! 00:22 Same to you mac 00:30 crap, i don't remember if there was anything i was planning on doing in this game before killing rodney 00:46 did you zamboni the medusa level with white dsm? 00:48 never done that :-) this is a giant sammy, so no dsm in evidence 00:56 I see. No penguin paradise this time around, then. 01:16 im scared of diving deep into gehennom and coming back to my stash 01:16 the enemy difficulty will be so high with the amulet 01:31 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Inf Ith Fem Una), 651 points, T:685, killed by an orc zombie 02:10 -!- tinklebear has quit [Quit: gnight] 02:30 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Sam Gia Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:79327 02:30 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Sam Gia Fem Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:79334 02:45 -!- carlarc has quit [Quit: Client closed] 02:59 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 03:04 !tell carlac: Just saw your mail, but yes, you can wish for mithril LARGE splint mail of drain resistance as a giant. key is the word large 03:04 Will do, krm26! 03:20 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Sam Gia Fem Law) performed the invocation, on T:79523 03:53 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 03:59 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Sam Gia Fem Law) killed the human high priest of Moloch, on T:79800 03:59 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Sam Gia Fem Law) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:79814 04:10 !tell carlarc from krm26: "Just saw your mail, but yes, you can wish for mithril LARGE splint mail of drain resistance as a giant. key is the word large" Also note that this only works for giant Samurai, at least to my knowledge. 04:10 I'm on it, Umbire. 04:11 Hah, thanks 04:15 Yeh noticed you misspelled 04:21 heya krm26, happy new year 04:23 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 04:28 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:34 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 04:44 i might get the first evil ascension of the year if i don't faceplant this 04:45 :) 04:46 there is a really bad problem with shambling horrors that can hide under items -- throw any piece of junk at them and they stop moving 04:47 once they are engaged monsters that hide under things probably shouldn't hide at the first opportunity, at least not all the time 04:47 very noticeable for shambling horrors, as the only endgame monster that might hide 04:48 hmm 04:48 really trivializes them 04:48 well they dont always hide 04:48 Really? has worked flawlessly on like 10 of them so far 04:49 They just sit there 2 squares away while i shuriken their balls off 04:49 i mean per game 04:49 in *your* game they'll all hide 04:49 shambling horror stats are different per game, not per spawned instance 04:50 Oh, yeah, sure 04:50 Maybe horrors just shouldn't draw that characteristic 04:50 it is fun when they are scary 05:09 That's a "problem" with all hiders 05:10 Right, but most hiders aren't ever super threats 05:11 Hmm, is there ANY reason to bother with hauling boulders into the endgame? 05:12 heck yeah 05:12 But mah back! 05:12 can block off a corridoor and buy you some time. wont affect the riders, but it will most everything else 05:13 Maybe 20 potions of full healing is too many then 05:13 um no 05:13 lol 05:13 no such thing as too many of those 05:13 Well I'm NOT dropping my extra bullwhip alternates! 05:14 Maybe just 10 boulders 05:17 jeez I've seen more dragonhide robe drops as this giant than as all my other runs, ever, combined 05:19 so frustrating to get rodney on level 2, gonna see him again immediately 05:20 first time EVER ascending with pegasus! 05:20 (or, uh, escaping the dungeon, not to get ahead of myself) 05:20 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Sam Gia Fem Law) entered the Planes, on T:81383 05:21 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Sam Gia Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:81389 05:26 go krm26 go! 05:37 woolly mammoth storm! 05:38 unfortunately way past my bedtime, and no 1/1 ascension for me since I am so slow 05:39 gnight! 05:39 -!- krm26 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:58 [hdf-us] [evil] Cronos (Inf Ith Fem Una) changed form for the first time, becoming a brown mold, on T:5395 06:21 -!- carlarc has joined #evilhack 06:21 [hdf-us] [evil] Cronos (Inf Ith Fem Una) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:6528 06:21 heyyy 06:21 carlarc: Message from Umbire at 2022-01-02 04:10 UTC: from krm26: "Just saw your mail, but yes, you can wish for mithril LARGE splint mail of drain resistance as a giant. key is the word large" Also note that this only works for giant Samurai, at least to my knowledge. 06:22 oh thats cool 06:22 y u leave hardfought 06:22 i enter via that because its the first thing on my google auto complete 06:22 i already have discord 4 hardfought 06:23 also, i wanted to point out that Secespita is the name of a ceremonial knife, not an artifact! 06:23 i mean it's fitting, its a roman knife used for sacrifice, but its kinda funny 06:23 like if there was an artifact dagger called Athame that let you engrave rapidly 06:24 you're thinking "legendary weapon" artifact 06:24 need not always be the case 06:24 then why does it resist disintegration, renaming, probably tons of other stuff too 06:25 because you're overthinking it 06:25 yes. 06:27 anyway as I said, most artifact weapons correspond to folkloric "actual" artifacts and the like 06:27 but not all 06:28 [hdf-us] [evil] Cronos (Inf Ith Fem Una), 6555 points, T:7134, killed by a dwarven priest of The Lady 06:28 oof 06:29 !lastgame Cronos 06:29 carlarc: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/C/Cronos/evilhack/dumplog/1641018622.evil.html 06:29 never underestimate priests 07:01 -!- carlarc has quit [Quit: Client closed] 07:37 [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Pri Hum Mal Cha), 117 points, T:169, killed by a fox 08:02 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 08:47 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! 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13:02 greasing is important! 13:03 that's what she said 13:07 greasy amulets - yuck! 13:16 lol 13:40 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Wiz Gia Fem Cha) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:46860 13:58 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Rog Hob Fem Neu) wished for "blessed fixed drum of earthquake named "Sonic Attack"", on T:43086 13:59 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Rog Hob Fem Neu) killed the Master Assassin, on T:43096 14:00 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Rog Hob Fem Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:43097 14:01 heh nice wish 14:01 that drew his attention! 14:05 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Rog Hob Fem Neu) completed her quest without incident, on T:43264 14:07 not found a single potion of invisibility yet, so noise pollution it is 14:25 -!- krm26 has joined #evilhack 14:28 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Wiz Gia Fem Cha) defeated the invisible Kathryn the Ice Queen, on T:47338 14:29 phew, still peaceful. was afraid the after effect of fireballs could still anger peacefuls and therefore Kathryn 14:47 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Sam Gia Fem Law) put Death down for a little nap, on T:81662 14:47 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Sam Gia Fem Law) destroyed the Pale Horse, on T:81662 14:52 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Sam Gia Fem Law) killed Famine, on T:81723 14:52 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Sam Gia Fem Law) killed the Black Horse, on T:81723 14:55 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu) became literate by engraving "Lilje", on T:3637 14:58 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Sam Gia Fem Law) killed Pestilence, on T:81830 14:58 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Sam Gia Fem Law) killed the White Horse, on T:81830 15:02 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Sam Gia Fem Law) wished for "cursed -5 grayswandir", on T:81860 15:03 wonder if i got the -5 15:06 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Sam Gia Fem Law) wished for "cursed -5 excalibur", on T:81865 15:06 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Sam Gia Fem Law) wished for "cursed -5 excalibur", on T:81865 15:06 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Sam Gia Fem Law) wished for "cursed -5 excalibur", on T:81867 15:07 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu) destroyed karibou's ghost, the former Cutpurse, on T:4262 15:07 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Sam Gia Fem Law), 7259816 points, T:81870, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/k/krm26/evilhack/dumplog/1639484732.evil.html 15:09 congrats krm26!! 15:10 yay woolly mammoths 15:11 1st of 2022! tried for yesterday bt i'm such a procrastinator 15:11 better not to play when tired, well done 15:13 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu) destroyed ElPsyCongrooGoku's ghost, the former Fighter, on T:4694 15:25 congrats krm26! 15:25 was a fun game, giant sammy is pretty relaxing 15:26 wasted SO much time on unnecessary preparations 15:28 -!- amateurhour has joined #evilhack 15:36 krm26 what's new ;-) 15:36 unnecessary until you really need it 15:37 BTW I think I am encountering that bug with boulder fort destroyed by wand of striking 15:37 ^ K2 15:37 i thought that was a feature 15:37 Mephistopheles acts like the boulder is still there 15:38 ooh, that's not good 15:38 I think more people have noticed that 15:38 maybe monster not updating its seen-map on zap? 15:38 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Wiz Gia Fem Cha) killed the invisible Mephistopheles, on T:47930 15:46 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Tou Hob Fem Neu), 214 points, T:738, killed by a small mimic 15:52 -!- elenmirie has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:52 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #evilhack 15:52 -!- elenmirie_ is now known as elenmirie 16:03 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Rog Hob Fem Neu) had a steel axe entrusted to her by Mog, on T:44021 16:13 hah, my score was the same to the thousand's-place as my last ascension, weird 16:13 i'm on a 7.259k streak 16:14 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Rog Hob Fem Neu) had a pair of leather gloves entrusted to her by Mog, on T:44257 16:14 now you have to do it again but on purpose 16:16 uh oh 16:19 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Rog Hob Fem Neu) had a pair of high boots entrusted to her by Mog, on T:44318 16:34 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #evilhack 16:34 -!- elenmirie has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:34 -!- elenmirie_ is now known as elenmirie 16:36 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Rog Hob Fem Neu) had Keolewa bestowed upon her by Mog, on T:44709 16:49 krm26: congrats! 16:49 thx! now for a real tiny charactetr 16:51 hehe i have a giant going, but haven't been playing 16:51 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Rog Hob Fem Neu) had Frost Brand bestowed upon her by Mog, on T:44979 16:51 maybe will now. i don't remember what i'm doing. i think im at vecna and have eota but no dragonbane so no acid resistance 16:52 might have to skip vecna and kathryn for now at least 16:52 yeah, i hate taking breaks -- i was really tentative yesterday because i had a week off playing the character just pre-rodney and i couldn't remember anything 16:52 did the ssh key change? 16:52 it did 16:52 TRUST US 16:54 looks like i'm doing ok -29ac and i have a marker and a wish left 16:55 i really need dragonbane. i guess i could try with this last wish 16:55 already wish for eota 16:56 i miss having the guaranteed wrest. then i'd probably risk it even twice. But i don't want to waste my last wish and still not have it 16:56 sac sac sac! 16:56 hmm, a blessed boomerang on DL1 as a tourist -- never used boomerangs before 16:57 kinda think boomerang should use the club skill when wielded and there should be a "thrown" skill for thrown everything 16:58 krmhack WHEN 16:58 bow/xbox/sling/thrown with some thrown stuff like darts, arrows, etc always being unskilled when wielded 16:59 some variants have a 'missile weapons' skill which you train when using generic ranged weapon 16:59 when K2 adds high heels to evilhack, then i'll think about forking him :-) so far i like about 98% of his decisions and strongly like at least a third 17:00 K2 you have to add high heels now so we get another neat new variant out of it 17:00 so basically evilhack is perfect 17:00 you can remove them again once krmhack has gotten rolling 17:00 krm26: my thoughts exactly 17:00 he likes the same stuff i do 17:01 it would be nice if intelligent artifacts let you use them at basic regardless of your actual skill -- they are helping you out 17:01 only thing i disagree with is paranoid lava/water (and i REALLY disasgree with it lol) but not going there ;). everything else so far all the changes have been fun 17:01 and that would mean you could fart around with trollsbane or whatever without feeling like a dope for wasting a skill slot 17:01 lol not going there just bringing it up again :P 17:01 yeah that would be cool 17:02 YANI: "ring of action free", grants basic skill in all weapons when worn 17:02 do you still have that giant going amateurhour ? 17:02 dumb joke name aside, think it is a cool idea 17:03 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Rog Hob Fem Neu) had a mithril broad bearded axe entrusted to her by Mog, on T:45177 17:03 yeah it's still ongoing 17:03 sweet 17:03 lost my ring of levitation to whatever his name is 17:03 uh Geryon 17:03 oh no 17:03 then didn't have any energy to play yesterday 17:03 how does that happen? you mean graz't? 17:03 geryon has shocking weapon 17:04 which I didn't know about 17:04 ah ok 17:04 news to me 17:04 yeah. i hate losing rings 17:04 i usually geno those shocking spheres now 17:04 so gonna have to use a wish on like amulet of flying or something 17:04 not found geno yet at all 17:04 just save extras of the important ones in evil is my advice 17:05 don't think I have anything I want to geno besides gray dragons because for some reason dragonbane does jack shit for them 17:05 yeah, if you are relying on a ring, always have a spare in your bag :-) 17:05 gray dragons suck 17:05 they will cancel your boots too if you get that kick attack 17:05 same with black... 17:05 wtf 17:05 i wish genociding gray dragons would stop npcs from appearing wearing gray dragonscale :-) 17:05 so don't even hit them with dragonbane 17:05 f that 17:05 yep 17:05 i geno both of them when i can 17:05 if you are a giant that is what boulders are for 17:06 [hdf-us] [evil] carlarc (Inf Dem Fem Una) killed Baphomet, on T:87517 17:06 i've lost dragonhide speed boots before 17:06 boulders are great for pummeling black dragons at range 17:06 and sea dragons 17:06 definitely boulders are awesome 17:06 I'm gonna be real with you guys, I'm not very smart I don't like having to check and remember stuff for every encounter 17:06 and anything 17:06 i haven't played giant in so long i keep forgetting 17:06 that's why I yolo'd Geryon and lost my ring 17:06 -!- carlarc has joined #evilhack 17:06 because I'm dumb 17:06 you're definitely not dumb 17:07 I should have checked the source to see how Geryon had changed 17:07 i'm becoming a huge boulderfort/ranged convert...that is a current game issue i think, that boulder forts are the answer to so many problems 17:07 i just made the same mistake with dragonbane thinkig i could hit so i wanted to make sure yo know not to do i ti 17:07 nah its not smart 17:07 sorry its 17:07 not about smartness* 17:07 its just about impatience 17:07 im impatient too 17:07 kinda think boulderforts need to be nerfed (but in a way that still lets me use them against graz'z'z'zt't'z, man i hate that guy) 17:07 yeah I am both dumb and impatient thanks carlarc :^) 17:07 yeah that's what i was gonna say. it's your playstyle amateurhour.. not everyone wants to take notes and have games take forever. both ways are fine. it's not about smartness! 17:08 im both ways 17:08 there's no right or wrong way. it's supposed to be fun. I play way too fast a lot, but then i overprepare too so lots of turns 17:08 my games take forever and im impatient 17:08 lol 17:09 it's funny but i know it's exactly what you're talkinga bout haha 17:09 i was impressed at your ascension carlarc -- i would have said nobody takes longer than me but you really stretched it out :-) 17:09 LOL 17:10 i'm sometimes 50k turns to the quest 17:10 its just my playstyle 17:10 i dont know how not to do it, really 17:10 yeah i've tried to speed run and it is just a way to cycle characters really fast for me 17:10 I just want to acquire the minimal viable stuff already and get to the fun bit 17:12 do polytraps still risk stat shuffle? 17:12 yeah... well giants are pretty good at that because your armor choices are so limited lol. There's not a ton to think about because you're trying to figure out mr and reflection and that's about it 17:12 except you have to get to the castle without the minimally viable stuff and wish for it 17:12 yes,you can get "new wo/man" from poly traps 17:12 damn 17:12 i cant imagine a giant monk tbh... good luck with master kaen lol 17:12 well with monk, you can do the quest at xl 10 and use eyes for mr 17:13 giant monk is fine 17:13 and amulet slot for reflection until you get dragonbane 17:13 source: just trust me 17:13 that's where i'm at with my giant monk. It's working fine, but i need acid resistance and itd be nice to free amulet slot for flying etc. 17:13 every class works well as giant. or centaur 17:13 i think i will camp for dragonbane. i've due to get it from sacrifice (never have) 17:14 epic idea 17:14 if only you could get acid res from level up eh rebatela? 17:14 yeah like monk should get it at 30 17:14 genocide @ before entering astral after polying into vampire or something 17:14 ring of acid res would be such a great addition 17:14 doesn't work unfortunately carlarc 17:14 i forget if @ kills you in any polyform 17:15 imo it should be allowed to work because of the Rule of Cool, but unfortunately it doesn't :( 17:15 yeah, i mean i can't wear apron because giant so i believe dragonabne is only option for acid resistance? 17:15 yeah rebatela, suddenly acid res is important and no real way to get it 17:15 ring of amulet would be sweet 17:15 i'm thinking of trying my last wish for it. 50/50 odds i believe. but I should do altar work first 17:15 oh huh demon lords are friendly? cool 17:15 YANI: new player race, "akephalos/akephaloi", headless people. can't wear hats. armor + t-shirts blind them (faces on chest) 17:16 <- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Headless_men 17:16 lol 17:16 YANI: dullahan playable race that knights can play as, they're also headless but they can carry their head and throw it and stuff (vision is based on where the head is, not the body) 17:17 throw it on a boomerang path! 17:17 https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/cryptidz/images/d/d8/Dullahan3.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20210118001258 17:17 just trying to think of other races that have unique inability to wear certain gear 17:17 Rule of Cool 17:18 krm26: I think tortles which are hopefully upcoming should have forced nudist 17:18 and gain ac from levelling up due to 'natural armour' 17:18 that would be sick imo 17:20 [hdf-us] [evil] carlarc (Inf Dem Fem Una) genocided antimatter vortices, on T:88034 17:21 tortles could have enchant armor enchant their shell when they aren't wearing anything on the chest 17:22 fixed undroppable always-in-use chest armor, "shell"? enchantable, deterioratable -- maximum enchant based on char level 17:23 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 17:23 they should yell cowabunga whenever they kill a demon lord and custom fruitname should default to slice of pizza 17:23 [hdf-us] [evil] carlarc (Inf Dem Fem Una) killed Orcus, on T:88079 17:23 in one of the ancient games, avatar on plato/novanet, "hands" was always the first item slot. could be damaged, etc. 17:24 [hdf-us] [evil] carlarc (Inf Dem Fem Una) genocided alhoons, on T:88143 17:26 cancel my trident? cancel ur species 17:29 Dragonbane in store on DL2! Come onnnnn kitty 17:30 good kitty 17:32 this sewer-like level im on has no demon lord? 17:32 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Rog Hob Fem Neu) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:45677 17:34 [hdf-us] [evil] carlarc (Inf Dem Fem Una) destroyed bouquet's ghost, the former Daimyo, on T:88727 17:34 demon lord levels can have bones??? 17:34 bouquet took care of the demon lord for you 17:35 bouquet is a full-service ghost 17:35 demon lord bones are all fun and games until you find one with three demon lords and princes at the up-stairs 17:35 cant pick up the tsurugi :( 17:36 at least it hasn't trashed your artiwishing chances (this is a good change) 17:36 whoops looted a cursed boh 17:36 too bad you can't scrape oppositely aligned artifacts into bags for padding ascension scores 17:36 opposite of #tip 17:36 #scoop 17:37 holy shit why does bouquet have 5 spares of every important ring 17:37 because he's playing evilhack! 17:37 or planned to eat them for intrinsics 17:37 nooo i opened the crused boh again im so dumb 17:38 heh 17:38 just don't put it in your bag of holding 17:38 (which i do every third game) 17:42 ok i am petrified now, the game is being too good to me -- definitely gonna die a stupid death. my money is on instakill poison arrow 17:44 speaking of ascension scores? Is there a high score list that's readable somewhere? scoreboard only appears to list 100 lowest ascesnsion scores 17:44 https://nethackscoreboard.org/ 17:45 https://nethackscoreboard.org/ascended.evil.html 17:45 right 17:45 all i see is low score and it only lists 100 ascensions 17:45 there have been more 17:45 link i just sent shows all 147 evil ascensions but is not sortable by score 17:45 mine is the highest :sungl 17:45 weird. why does mine stop at 100 17:45 damnit 17:45 :sunglasses: 17:45 tragic. 17:46 oh ok the ascended games link lists them all 17:47 but not sorted. other link has the bottom 100 scores sorted 17:47 not only is yours the highest carlarc but it is over 1m more than mine in next place 17:47 did you gem-poly or something? 17:47 i picked up every gem i came across and kept all artifacts 17:47 now im doing that + gem poly 17:48 yeah, i'm too lazy for gem polying 17:48 some games i thought my score would be much higher (just because i just had to keep killing and killing things) but then i was suprised it was normalish 17:48 and i'm too much of a scaredy cat to take heavy artifacts when i could take a stack of 20 potions of full healing instead 17:49 i think gating in all the demon lords helps your score a lot -- something i NEVER do in evil 17:49 nah i didnt pick up the 100+ artis either 17:50 i'm surprised someone hasn't run it up with gems or whatnot yet, but i guess the game is so hard everyone is just focused on not dying 17:50 but i was always hoping someone would do that lol 17:51 ugh just realized i forgot to confront my ql 17:51 are you doing the invocation now? 17:51 i don't even bother until then 17:51 i have moderately abused alignment because for a very small amount of turns i did not sacrifice 17:51 literally only thing that abused my alignment 17:51 :/ 17:52 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Rog Hob Fem Neu) defeated the invisible Kathryn the Ice Queen, on T:46198 17:52 yeah. i don't roleplay to the exent that i am opposed to killing them. what's the problem again? just kill them when you need to uncurse the bell. don't give them the artifact ever 17:53 if you forget, the bell just doens't work and you go back and have to fight them but it shouldn't be a problem at that point 17:53 player monsters should be named after players that played those combinations 17:54 there are already competing npcs with our names on astral 17:54 which, honestly, should exclude your own name 17:55 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu), 14650 points, T:12708, killed by a boulder 17:56 wtf ring of conflict needs active los to work 17:57 oh sweet just tamed a titan i got from creating monster trying for dragonbane at altar 17:58 where can i see my score? 17:59 https://nethackscoreboard.org/ascended.evil.html 17:59 no i mean ingame 17:59 and there's a high score list but it's sorted backwards and only lists bottom 100. that's what i was whining about 17:59 oh 18:00 dont think there is any way to check score in game 18:00 isn't there a showshow option 18:00 showscore* 18:00 i feel like there used to be an Option where it listed S: 18:00 just like turns 18:00 yeah 18:00 but things get calculated at the end. I'm not sure if that's even a thing now ? 18:00 maybe it is 18:01 you can set options about what it shows you from the highschore file (the thing I actually want to see lol, but I don't want to die) 18:02 It'd be cool if you could view that without dying 18:02 top 5 or whatever it shows you. You can set it to only show where you're placing relative to yourself I think etc. 18:04 oh also 18:04 why im annoying about the bell of opening is because i hate spellbook management 18:05 spellbook management? 18:06 i name each spellbook each time i degrade it, # for read and p for poly -- pp12, etc 18:07 some variants you can just read spellbooks way ahead of when you're normally allowed 18:07 which is nice 18:08 ah, i see 18:08 you really should be able to (still cap at 100% of course, so you'd be losing potential memory for the convenience of reading at any time) 18:09 slashem adds 10k turns when you read a spellbook 18:09 but you can stack it to 60k turns by rereading 18:10 yeah I agree with that krm26, like if you want to use a 'spellbook charge' to only get 2k turns more then yolo 18:10 i posted a yani earlier 18:11 spellbooks have 300 charges and you can expend them at will to gain memory 18:11 so if youre at 50% and read a full book it turns to 250 18:12 slashem also has a thing where if you cast a spell your memory of it slightly increases 18:12 i kinda like one-use spellbooks 18:12 gnollhack has that, learn the spell and you know it forever 18:12 FIQ's one use books are amazing 18:12 but gnollhack also has spell components 18:12 i mean one-use, but NOT learning it forever 18:13 oh right 18:13 so you need to wish/poly/write/discover the same spell again to retain it for a long time 18:13 with the volume of spellbooks in the game i think that is ok 18:13 alternately, lower BUC status each time a spellbook is read -- that isn't quite as harsh 18:14 i guess arguably more forgiving than the current system 18:14 probably the least effort max benefit change is just letting us reread whenever 18:14 should stop typing and think about it a bit :-) 18:15 xnh you can read whenever you want i believe 18:15 although the magic system is changed completley too 18:15 seems like most variants at least do something 18:16 yeah. i mean seems ridiculous you have to wait. just to force you to lug them around at times 18:16 sometimes i have to decide whether to carry a spellbook or two. i guess it adds strategy 18:17 the boring kind of strategy not the fun kind 18:17 (imo) 18:17 sometimes i'll make a stash on dl1 with all the shit i want to be able to use before the planes but don't want to carry through the run 18:17 that works 18:18 I guess you could beat the planes and astral in like 2k turns 18:19