00:00 well alignmentlossless conduct broken I guess 00:00 HAPPY NEW YEAR 00:00 you're lucky she didn't kill you for it 00:00 it's sooooo easy to piss her off 00:01 and she turns into like the evil izchak. it's probably more invincible 00:02 HAPPY NEW YEAR 00:02 time zones still confuse me lol 00:02 now i can go to bed though i guess 00:12 those poor dogs lol 00:12 so I guess the dog was technically still peaceful and zapping with tele counts as alignment abuse (even when chaotic) 00:12 -!- rebatela has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:12 shame on you! ;-) 00:13 but I zapped tele so I didn't have to beat them up 00:13 it was a tele zap of COMPASSION 00:13 my record is still clean O:3 00:20 am jealous 00:24 no detect monster potions? 00:25 I got 2 00:25 have to save one for astral under the naive assumption I'll get that far 00:25 not been lucky finding them then... 00:26 I never usually find many, they seem to be fairly rare 00:26 game trying to make you eat floating eyes ;-) 00:26 yeah haha 00:27 I could just peek at them through a wall with the eyes or something 00:27 might as well yolo 00:28 ah yes the eyes 00:28 what's the worst that could happen (famous last words) 00:28 lol 00:32 ah can't see far enough 00:33 Geryon 00:35 ah not too bad 00:35 levi ring gone 00:35 oops 00:36 fml 00:36 always put unworn rings in the bag :-( 00:36 too much stuff to remember 00:36 oof 00:36 I have like 5 brain cells 00:36 next wish flying amulet? 00:37 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 00:37 [hdf-eu] [evil] amateurhour (Mon Gia Mal Cha) killed Geryon, on T:36702 00:37 lost a tele wand 00:37 damn :/ 00:37 didn't realise he'd have a shocking weapon of sadness 00:37 is that guaranteed? 00:38 maybe for geryon... 00:38 I've lost track 00:38 beddtime for me 00:38 to the archives 00:38 sleep well, happy new year! 00:38 you too! 00:39 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 00:39 it is guaranteed 00:39 gonna ragesave any figure it out tomorrow too, seeya 00:39 -!- amateurhour has quit [Quit: leaving] 00:49 i dont even remember playing without curses anymore 00:49 i look at someone on tty and it just feels tiny and inhospitable 00:49 meanwhile, for me is the opposite. I simply can't get used to curses 01:54 [hdf-us] [evil] carlarc (Inf Dem Fem Una) destroyed Kas, on T:79775 01:58 @e? alhoon 01:58 alhoon (h) | Lvl: 26 | Diff: 30 | Spd: 9 | Res: fire cold sleep shock poison drain | Confers: fire cold | MR: 90 | Generates: gehennom | AC: -6 | Attacks: 1d10 weapon physical, 5d6 touch cold, 2d1 tentacle drain int, 2d1 tentacle drain int, 0d0 cast spell | Alignment: -15 | Flags: genocidable, flies, breathless, regenerates, seeinvis, poisonous, covetous, infravisible 02:15 [hdf-us] [evil] carlarc (Inf Dem Fem Una) destroyed Vecna, on T:81109 02:54 [hdf-us] [evil] ligang (Kni Hum Mal Cha) killed Medusa, on T:71049 03:22 YANI: instead of spellbooks having 3 charges, they have 300% charges, and you can always read them and consume the % of charge that is missing from your memory 03:44 -!- rebatela has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:58 [hdf-us] [evil] carlarc (Inf Dem Fem Una) genocided two random monsters from class L, on T:84154 03:58 [hdf-us] [evil] carlarc (Inf Dem Fem Una) genocided two random monsters from class L, on T:84155 03:59 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 04:06 -!- carlarc has quit [Quit: Client closed] 05:02 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Pri Ith Fem Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:5214 05:19 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Pri Ith Fem Cha), 7538 points, T:10496, killed by a mountain dwarf 06:35 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #evilhack 06:38 -!- Umbire is now known as Guest2710 06:38 -!- Guest2710 has quit [Killed (molybdenum.libera.chat (Nickname regained by services))] 06:38 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 06:38 -!- Chris__ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:08 -!- Chris__ANG has joined #evilhack 08:11 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:36 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Con Ith Fem Cha), 532 points, T:1845, killed by a water moccasin 08:36 -!- tinklebear has joined #evilhack 08:42 K2: "dmonsfree: 2 removed doesn't match 3 pending on Dlvl:23" "Program in disorder! (Saving and reloading may fix this problem.) 08:43 preceding messages follow: 08:43 "You destroy the manes!" "You destroy the manes!" 08:43 "The invisible Vita Fidelia's barding of reflection blocks the manes' attack." "The invisible Vita Fidelia's silver barding of reflection sears the manes!" 08:43 "The manes is destroyed! The invisible Vita Fidelia misses the manes." 08:43 (yeah, well, then you shouldn't have killed them in the first place, Vita Fidelia!) 08:43 "The invisible Vita Fidelia bites the manes. The manes is destroyed!" 08:43 ...and then the dmonsfree message occurs 08:55 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 09:11 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Orc Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:65440 09:31 [hdf-us] [evil] ligang (Kni Hum Mal Cha) killed Croesus, on T:74107 09:49 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Orc Fem Cha) killed the Rat King, on T:65519 09:58 [hdf-us] [evil] ligang (Kni Hum Mal Cha), 602436 points, T:75636, petrified by a beholder 10:01 -!- Chris__ANG has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:02 -!- Chris__ANG has joined #evilhack 10:06 F 10:10 -!- Umbire has quit [Quit: Umbire zaps a wand of digging!] 10:21 -!- elenmirie has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:21 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 10:26 !lastgame ligang 10:26 tinklebear: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/l/ligang/evilhack/dumplog/1640650057.evil.html 10:30 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Orc Fem Cha) wished for "blessed shatterproof +3 glass lance of warning", on T:66347 10:48 -!- ChrisANG has joined #evilhack 10:51 -!- Chris__ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:56 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 12:03 "shatterproof" better not be a lie! 12:04 why else wish for a glass lance, after all 12:06 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Wiz Gia Fem Cha) wished for "blessed fixed +2 bone small shield of decay", on T:36108 12:07 sounds good tinklebear 12:07 quality glass 12:08 :D 12:27 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #evilhack 12:28 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Rog Hob Fem Neu) polymorphed her first object, on T:34081 12:31 -!- ChrisANG has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:50 [hdf-us] [evil] ligang (Kni Hum Mal Law) became literate by engraving "Elbereth", on T:3652 12:51 [hdf-us] [evil] ligang (Kni Hum Mal Law) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3928 13:08 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Wiz Gia Fem Cha) killed Cerberus, on T:37274 13:08 Ye olde drown Cerberus trick 13:11 mobileuser, I remember laughing my ass off doing exactly that in DCSS when playing enchanters, confuse monsters and watch them walk into lava/water :P 13:13 lol 13:19 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Wiz Gia Fem Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:37312 13:21 -!- Chris__ANG has joined #evilhack 13:24 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:26 hmm. Riding a dragon, and cast 'knock' downwards. The D's saddle falls to the floor, leaving me riding bareback... 13:27 kind of cool! 13:37 you can be engulfed by a gelatinous cube when riding a D? 13:41 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Rog Hob Fem Neu) wished for "marker", on T:35178 13:43 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Rog Hob Fem Neu) wished for "blessed fixed +3 oilskin fedora named "Lovable Rogue"", on T:35179 13:43 no idea. I wouldn't be surprised if the gelcube could separate you from your steed 13:45 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Wiz Gia Fem Cha) wished for "blessed +2 mithril helm of brilliance", on T:37615 13:46 I would have expected the engulfer to rip you off your steed too, maybe. But you're not - you're engulfed and still riding (dust vortex too) 13:47 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Rog Hob Fem Neu) wished for "blessed fixed +3 dragonhide Hawaiian shirt of decay", on T:35185 13:47 unless gelatinous cubes can also engulf riderless dragons, this doesn't sound like it makes much sense! 13:48 -!- amateurhour has joined #evilhack 13:55 sounds like a weird bug 13:59 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Rog Hob Fem Neu) made her first artifact wish - "blessed fixed The Eye of the Aethiopica", on T:35505 14:08 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 14:12 -!- carlarc has joined #evilhack 14:29 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 14:31 -!- Pinkbeast has joined #evilhack 14:34 still a lil salty at geryon having a lightning weapon 14:34 I guess you could say I was 14:34 shocked 14:34 ohmy god 15:08 you got this amateurhour 15:16 will wish for amulet of flying or something :( 15:17 good wish 15:17 hm 15:17 any reason to keep flying on astral? 15:17 no 15:17 are you on astral already?? 15:17 no lol 15:17 :b 15:18 i think i could if i wasnt so slow at playing 15:18 if I was faster I would be faster 15:18 :^) 15:18 I switch to life saving on astral 15:18 carlarc I am the king of slow ;-) 15:18 lets compare turns 15:18 !lastgame mobileuser 15:18 carlarc: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/m/mobileuser/evilhack/dumplog/1621797088.evil.html :: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/m/mobileuser/evilhack/dumplog/1640643790.evil.html 15:19 although I do fine with turn counts 15:19 true 15:19 its the time spent thinking 15:19 !lastgame carlarc 15:19 carlarc: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/c/carlarc/evilhack/dumplog/1640728639.evil.html 15:19 didn't you spend like 40k turns consorting with foocubi 15:19 https://nethackscoreboard.org/ascended.evil.html 15:19 ^ carlarc 15:19 https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/c/carlarc/evilhack/dumplog/1640272226.evil.html 15:20 i have like 40k more turns on my ascension 15:20 lol what are those wooly mammoths doing there? 15:21 patience is a virtue to be fair 15:21 carlarc where? 15:22 on yours 15:22 also no i didnt unlock the powers of sex that run 15:22 that's this one 15:23 woolly mammoths are great bulldozers :-) 15:23 I want to unlock the powers of sex this run, I found a weapon of excellence 15:23 why no purple w? 15:23 awesome 15:24 purple w is low level and a lot of them are wearing slow digestion 15:24 wha 15:24 mosnters dont wear rings 15:24 woolly mammoths attack anything but the riders 15:24 they do.. 15:24 i mean yes but not that many 15:25 priests, NPCs 15:25 wack 15:25 maybe angels too 15:25 yeah and really high chance of slow digestion on astral specifically 15:25 huh 15:25 nerf by K2 15:25 but the players rebelled and invented replacement strategies :) 15:26 he hasn't nerfed my woolly strat yet :b 15:26 black dragon rain used to be a thing 15:26 50% chance of slow digestion ring 50% chance of protection from wooly monsters ring 15:26 (great ungulfers) 15:26 *engulfers 15:31 carlarc did you start a game on eu by accident? 15:31 im drawing my early infidel so i started one to look at the inventory 15:32 ah, nice! 15:33 early infidel vs late infidel, world of difference 16:10 -!- carlarc has quit [Quit: Client closed] 16:34 tinklebear thanks 16:35 the dmonsfree thing? 17:01 yeah 17:03 cool. glad it was useful! 17:06 that manes got killed so hard it died twice 17:35 heh 17:36 I love it when the notes I wrote for server migration had an error, which caused a delay in getting sendmail to work 17:36 'edit /etc/mail/aliases' was supposed to be 'edit /etc/mail/access' 17:36 hah 17:38 how was new years everyone? 17:39 pretty OK 17:39 rainy! 17:41 'pretty OK' will work :) 17:42 how is your happy new years morning? 17:42 good 17:42 wasnt hung over 17:42 awesome 17:43 weee 17:46 oh, this is nice. two alhoons 17:47 do you have the mobihat? 17:47 no! I'm living on the edge! 17:47 yolo! 17:48 :D 17:48 not same fork but thats what I did in vanilla 17:48 "cant be arsed to wish for genocide, lets go genoless" :) 17:49 I guess the differnce is that alhoons teleport to you so you can not avoid melee 17:50 they respect scare monster. spoils all the fun 17:50 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Rog Hob Fem Neu) had Vorpal Blade bestowed upon her by Mog, on T:38454 17:53 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Rog Hob Fem Neu) had Fire Brand bestowed upon her by Mog, on T:38497 17:53 damn Graznop 17:53 I saw someone handle it with wands or something after reading a scroll of earth 17:54 that's a reat artifact combo for a rogue 17:54 *great 17:54 yes, should be fun! 18:01 you'd think that evil genius alien undead spellcasters would have heard of force bolt, but yeah, earth works too! 18:24 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 18:40 -!- carlarc has joined #evilhack 19:24 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 19:27 [hdf-us] [evil] hackemslashem (Inf Ith Mal Una) murdered Hecubus, his faithful lesser homunculus, on T:861 19:29 [hdf-us] [evil] hackemslashem (Inf Ith Mal Una), 515 points, T:962, zombified by a hobbit zombie, while fainted from lack of food 19:55 I feel like I'm seeing stunned monsters successfully cast spells. possibly confused ones as well. 19:55 Is this possible? 19:57 stunning and confusing do way less to monsters than the player 19:57 seems to me that confusing the spellcaster ought to be a decent tactic 19:58 but I'm not completely certain I'm seeing what I think I'm seeing. 20:07 I think the only problem they have is that sometimes they don't target accurately when stunned/confused 20:14 -!- Pinkbeas1 has joined #evilhack 20:16 [hdf-us] [evil] hackemslashem (Hea Hob Mal Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping 7 mithril darts on an altar, on T:3028 20:17 -!- Pinkbeas1 has quit [Client Quit] 20:20 [hdf-us] [evil] hackemslashem (Hea Hob Mal Neu) consumed animal products for the first time, by eating a newt corpse, on T:3349 20:21 [hdf-us] [evil] hackemslashem (Hea Hob Mal Neu) had a steel mace entrusted to him by Hermes, on T:3391 20:33 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Rog Hob Fem Neu) killed Cerberus, on T:40293 20:34 [hdf-us] [evil] hackemslashem (Hea Hob Mal Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a werewolf, on T:3952 20:34 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Rog Hob Fem Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:40344 20:51 dammit still no level gain from the dishwashers 20:55 "Welcome to experience level 17.  You feel controlled!" 20:55 Finally \o/ 20:57 \o/ 21:05 omg EVERY TIME i try to charge a ring it explodes 21:05 :( 21:14 TIL you can finger o death elementals 21:14 this is very helpful information 21:16 about ring charging: There's current_charge in 7 chance of an asplosion. For me, this usually looks like good odds to turn a worthless ring into a ring I might use sometimes if I found one, but wouldn't usually want to spend a charging scroll to obtain. 21:17 and otherwise, it looks like a good way to lose a good ring. 21:19 yeah except every +2 ring ive ever tried to charge has blown up 21:19 's dumb 21:19 should be n in 7 - 2 or something 21:23 maybe the next one will be the one... 21:25 ...that also explodes 21:33 I just had a 200IQ insight 21:34 didn't K2 make it that pets can quaff restore ability to uncancel? 21:34 how about... a foocubus pet? 21:37 damn! lost my perfect record :-( 21:37 oh well 21:37 (alignment that is) 21:41 not so high nd mighty now are ya 21:41 one of us filthy heathens now 21:44 if you miss a peaceful, they don't get angry, correct? 21:46 oh mobi I just realised what you meant with the 200iq idea that's genius 21:50 heh, thx 21:50 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 21:50 fellow heathen :-) 21:50 tinkebear correct 21:51 * tinklebear 21:55 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 22:05 it's so weird you could shoot poisoned arrows and the target's all "doo de do de do" as long as they don't get hit 22:06 well do you know who shoots at you in gnomish? :P 22:06 (when they are out of vision) 22:07 heh. but I shoot back asap! 22:08 or run tf away. fight or flight. 22:08 yeah, I usually step out of diagonal line and then try to close in 22:08 (depending on hp and ac I guess) 22:10 I often am not paying attention, and miss the visual clue on where the missile came from... 22:11 already on Xp 26 22:12 200iq 22:12 rebatela the sink + foocubus thing is very grindy, but so is wraith hunting 22:12 I should probably do that, I'm only xlvl 14 atm 22:12 heh amateurhour not doing the pet thing 22:12 hah, I want to watch, please say if you try it :D 22:12 a bit of casual vegan sex for all the intrinsics would raise the odds of survival 22:13 haha! 22:13 thx carlarc for this tip 22:14 only 1 dishwasher per sink btw I learned today 22:14 mobileuser you gotta hit them with a wielded restore iirc 22:14 wiki: "Monsters can drink restore ability to cure cancellation, or you can hit a monster with a potion of restore ability to forcibly uncancel them." 22:14 oh! you can do that to non-pets too? 22:14 "casual vegan sex" lmao 22:14 lol 22:15 what the hell is vegan sex 22:15 vegan monk! 22:15 is it vegan if you eat ass (i'm sorry) 22:15 did you just learn about foocubi mobileuser? 22:16 oh and happy new year everyone w00t 22:16 well I never bothered in the past 22:16 i posted about the virtues* of repeated foocubus encounters yesterday after i spent like a thousand turns leveling up to 30 from 21 and gaining 300 energy and 100 hp 22:16 I consort with foocubi on vegan monks in vanilla and especially tnnt to get the quest req 22:17 because xlvl 14 kinda sucks to get 22:17 happy new year to you too rebatela! 22:17 happy new year! 22:17 so glad most variants lower the xlvl req 22:18 * tinklebear blows one of those festive unrolling kazoos 22:18 you can kill the quest leader now too 22:18 HONK 22:18 if you're in a very big rush 22:20 the passive attack of black scales seems v weak 22:22 sometimes in vanilla you need those things to level up for the quest. i don't bother much in evil 22:22 but i kite all the valley wraiths in evil usually 22:22 mostly for PW 22:22 when black dsm destroys your favorite weapon, you might revise that estimate, carlarc 22:23 (but I think I do know what you mean) 22:24 worn scales 22:24 not dragons 22:24 NPCs wear them too 22:25 no thats nuts 22:25 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 22:26 :D 22:27 it seems the foocubi sometimes summon more foocubi 22:27 oh that's... 22:27 MOAR dishwashers 22:27 epic 22:27 i think im gonna nab red scales instead for the added bonus to melees 22:27 that'll be normal demon gating I guess 22:28 so worst case a demon lord appears 22:28 mobileuser, if you have a camera you can perma blind the cubus 22:28 so they cant hit you as well if you dont want them to 22:28 no wait it's uh 22:28 they can't chase you down as well 22:29 I just hide behind boulders 22:29 that works 22:29 i just tamed mine 22:29 nice 22:30 also, red scales are cool (or hot?) 22:30 I've never seen a foocubus summon another demon, and in mhitu.c it looks like balrogs and foocubi are barred from doing this 22:30 oh ok 22:30 must just be RNG then 22:31 I keep counting to 100 behind boulders 22:31 what does rn2(40) mean? 22:31 1 in 40? 22:32 rn2(40) picks a number from 0 to 39 22:32 ah so it goes if(39), if(50) 22:32 you'll see a lot of !rn2(n) in the code (using the ! operator) 22:32 and if it goes if(0) it'll do something else 22:33 beacause itll be false 22:33 the 2 in rn2 just means its a function separate from rn() 22:33 yep 22:33 presumably more efficient 22:34 probably most of the uses are with ! in front 22:34 so it's like !rn2(40) means 1/40 chance of executing the block 22:34 yeah, but not here 22:37 so that means black scales have a 1 in 40, or 2.5% chance, to instakill 22:37 btw if there's no official name for the strategy of consorting for foocubi for levels 22:37 I would like to nominate the name 'pleasure and gain' 22:37 "fuck around until you get to level 14" 22:38 I am waiting for STDs to get added to evilhack 22:38 LOL 22:38 omg 22:38 "You feel like that was... a bad idea" 22:38 hah this isnt slex 22:39 there is one variant with that already included... 22:39 hah 22:39 maybe eating fungus would treat it 22:39 or mold that is 22:39 if evil K2 wanted to nerf pleasure and gain it'd probably be just by tweaking the odds 22:40 my wizard is level 30 now, noice 22:41 \o/ 22:41 "If neither Demonbane nor Sunsword have yet been created, the first Archon to be normally generated will be given one of them;[2] they are also guaranteed a shield of reflection. " 22:41 oh nooo 22:41 https://www.hardfought.org/phpBB3/gallery/image/2528/source 22:41 demonbane will deal double damage against me since im a crowned infidel right 22:41 and its silver 22:41 even worse! 22:41 muhahahah 22:42 it can instakill you! 22:42 is the demonbane/sunsword/shield of reflection generation specific to evilhack? 22:42 no 22:42 ah oki, good to know 22:42 last couple of runs I have made like all archons I have killed have had those uniques 22:43 and I mean like I killed 2 archons and got both demonbane and sunsword 22:43 in one run 22:47 soo..... 22:47 since illithids are a race now 22:47 illithid mummies and zombies when? 22:47 oooh thats a cool idea 22:48 we have illithid liches but why don't we have lich illithids huh 22:48 smell so bad they stun you 22:48 rotten squid, blech 22:50 derp i tried to poly into an L 22:50 i forgot they were genocided 22:50 good thing it failed 22:51 huh, you wanted to be a lich? how come? 22:51 archon 22:51 demonbane might be silver, most other picks have low hp so id likely revert 22:52 guess ill just turn into V to avoid the instakill ?? 22:52 hmmm, alhoons though 22:52 still silver weak I guess 22:52 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 22:53 can you just tele wand the archon away and ignore them? 22:53 stash level 22:53 >:( i stat shuffled >:( 22:53 i hate stat shuffles 22:53 can you move your stash? 22:53 ....no 22:53 pick up box, zap digging down? 22:54 altar 22:54 archons don't usually have helmets. mmf? 22:54 (or do they have helmet?) 22:55 yep demonbane confirmed 22:55 oh they died to 2 acid blasts.....ok then... 22:55 this is a good thing, now no demonbane at the planes 22:58 another archon spawned 22:58 this is getting spooky 23:15 ANOTHER archon 23:15 infidel moment 23:20 wait 23:20 wait 23:20 are demons non-living? 23:21 In the sense of being immune to death magic 23:22 but they're not undead, no 23:23 so they aren't affected by this bit in the wiki then? 23:23 what bit? 23:23 "Amulets of life saving do not work if cursed or worn by a non-living creature. This applies to monsters as well as the player." 23:23 I... hm 23:23 Good question, actually 23:28 no 23:28 code says undead, manes, golem, or vortex 23:28 interestingly does not exclude spheres. guess thats why ive ben able to finger o death them 23:29 interestingly, manes are nonliving, but can grow up to become lemures, which are living, despite being spirits of the restless dead 23:30 also interestingly lemures are incredibly weak (claw 1d3) and manes are slightly stronger (claw 1d3 3x), so they grow up into worse forms 23:43 -!- amateurhour has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:50 fwiw, spheres can be scared by their reflection. the rich emotional life of a sphere. 23:50 the living sphere 23:51 80% chance of not blowing up my rings? pass 23:56 back when master mind flayers had fewer tentacle attacks than regular mind flayers, I thought that made sense because of selectional pressure 23:56 fewer tentacles means a greater chance to whiff all attacks on a footrice 23:57 so you live longer, make it to full master 23:58 but then they "fixed" it. bo-ring.