00:11 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a xorn, on T:55311
00:14 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) had a pair of hiking boots entrusted to her by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:55381
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00:55 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] ligang (Kni Hum Mal Cha), 695 points, T:2783, killed by a hobgoblin
01:29 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Mosh (Bar Gia Mal Cha) murdered his faithful kitten, on T:36076
02:16 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] carlarc (Pri Ith Mal Cha) killed Cerberus, on T:62659
02:26 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] carlarc (Pri Ith Mal Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:62699
02:43 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] carlarc (Pri Ith Mal Cha) killed Geryon, on T:63918
02:54 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] carlarc (Pri Ith Mal Cha) killed Dispater, on T:64187
03:20 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] ligang (Kni Hum Mal Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping 3 darts on an altar, on T:5180
03:24 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] ligang (Kni Hum Mal Cha) had a slippery shield entrusted to him by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:5335
03:39 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Orc Fem Cha) made her first wish - "blessed greased +2 barding of reflection", on T:40117
03:47 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] carlarc (Pri Ith Mal Cha) genocided two random monsters from class R, on T:66219
03:50 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] ligang (Kni Hum Mal Cha) had a two-handed sword entrusted to him by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:6772
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04:35 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] ligang (Kni Hum Mal Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:10635
04:45 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] carlarc (Pri Ith Fem Cha) killed Orcus, on T:68409
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05:29 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Orc Fem Cha) wished for "marker", on T:41824
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05:32 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Orc Fem Cha) wished for "blessed +3 crystal lance of excellence", on T:41833
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07:18 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Sam Gia Fem Law) killed Tiamat, on T:41903
07:19 <Graznop> No Xmas scales. boo!
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07:45 <carlarc> hi
07:45 <Hecubus> Hello carlarc, Welcome to #evilhack
07:45 <carlarc> need help...... graz'zt stole my mitre of holiness + mjolnir
07:45 <carlarc> i still have demonbane and just laid some cocaktrice eggs
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07:48 <VaderFLAG> I had some luck with filling my inventory with wands I don't mind being zapped at me, so if Graz steals them they'll spend time zapping instead of stealing
07:50 <Graznop> i've only met him once - he had striking so boulder fort didn't work. Quaffed a !oSpeed, & poly'd into black dragon...
07:55 <carlarc> ooh, nice
08:00 <rebatela> @e? graz't
08:00 <Hecubus> graz't ~1~ Graz'zt (&) | Lvl: 105 | Diff: 53 | Spd: 12 | Res: fire cold poison drain | Confers: nothing | MR: 85 | Generates: unique | AC: -9 | Attacks: 4d8 weapon physical, 6d6 claw stun, 4d6 cast clerical, 3d6 claw item steal | Alignment: -20 | Flags: flies, seeinvis, poisonous, nopoly, stalker, covetous, infravisible
08:01 <rebatela> i wonder if it casts stf 
08:02 <VaderFLAG> Yeah should
08:04 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Sam Gia Fem Law) killed Geryon, on T:42573
08:14 <carlarc> i killed orcus with a chicken even tho he did cast stf once
08:17 <rebatela> oh nice 
08:17 <rebatela> yeah, i've never tried it in evil 
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08:23 <carlarc> wait
08:23 <carlarc> i can't black dragon graz'zt
08:23 <carlarc> cuz they stole my mjolnir
08:24 <carlarc> it'll disintegrate 1/2 if i do that, yeah?
08:25 <Graznop> did they wield it?
08:27 <Graznop> Other dragons work (yellow if they have Dirge), I chose black because of the chance of him disintegrating himself - happened often enough to be worthwhile
08:28 <Graznop> !oSpeed is important
08:52 <carlarc> i'll zap a wand of probing ig
09:15 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] carlarc (Pri Ith Fem Cha) genocided two random monsters from class b, on T:72484
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09:48 <NetSysFire> K2: wooo \o/
09:48 <carlarc> oh thank god, they tried to wield mjolnir but dirge was cursed
09:49 <carlarc> nooo they have a shield of reflection
09:50 <carlarc> fuck wtf do i do now!
09:51 <Graznop> engulf
09:54 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] carlarc (Pri Ith Fem Cha) killed Graz'zt, on T:74007
09:55 <carlarc>  holy shit, i got him at 8 hp
09:55 <carlarc> i dont deserve this lol
09:55 <mobileuser> \o/
09:55 <Graznop> result \o/
09:55 <mobileuser> how can you engulf when polymorphed as dragon?
09:56 <Graznop> just melee attack
09:56 <mobileuser> nice! TIL
09:59 <Graznop> got to be careful with Graz'zt - you only get 2 or 3 rounds to hit before you revert back
10:06 <carlarc> ?
10:16 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Con Ith Fem Cha), 370 points, T:1052, killed by a wererat
10:16 <NetSysFire> ah frick the change is not live yet
10:18 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Sam Gia Fem Law) made her first artifact wish - "blessed fixed +3 Dragonbane", on T:42969
10:19 <Graznop> yay - magic lamp to the rescue
10:19 <carlarc> wish i could use dbane
10:20 <carlarc> but i have to use GoP as mind flayer
10:20 <carlarc> or rings of strength but they're so bad
10:21 <Graznop> at least you can wear other stuff
10:22 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Con Ith Fem Cha), 681 points, T:3071, killed by a dwarf zombie
10:22 <NetSysFire> Graznop: why didnt you wish for it greased
10:23 <Graznop> No value in it being greased (nor fixed but habit)
10:30 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] ligang (Kni Hum Mal Cha), 25037 points, T:16964, killed by an earth elemental
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10:40 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu), 596 points, T:2306, killed by a giant spider
11:09 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) was crowned "The Hand of Elbereth" by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:56765
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11:29 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) destroyed Kas, on T:57759
11:40 <bouquet> carlarc: are your rings of str metallic? 
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11:50 <rebatela> i could be wrong, but i think eating those kind of rings only affects your stats while still poly'd (if that's what you were suggesting bouquet) 
11:50 <rebatela> which is lame 
11:54 <bouquet> I may be wrong. I have only ever eaten +dmg/hit/prot.
11:55 <Umbire> Nah, they apply to your base form
11:55 <Umbire> If it was just your polyform it'd be completely useless as a strategy
11:55 <bouquet> before I wiz test that... What combo vs Vecna would be best. I have available Kas, Tsurugi, Sunsword, Excalibur, and a plain katana.
11:56 <bouquet> maybe kas+katana?
11:57 <Umbire> I wouldn't know, sadly
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12:02 <bouquet> nope, no gain for the original illithid form.
12:03 <Umbire> rebatela might've been right then, hmm
12:03 <Umbire> it's the gain stat rings, right?
12:03 <Umbire> makes sense for the six stats
12:03 <bouquet> ya. I tried in xorn and rock mole form. 
12:03 <Umbire> should still be able to boost stuff like, say, to-hit, accuracy, damage
12:04 <Umbire> I don't do the "eating jewelry" thing much so
12:09 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) destroyed Vecna, on T:58336
12:10 <bouquet> if the holy 3 (dmg/hit/prot) are available to you I can't imagine why not. It make a huge difference but you need patience and plenty of polyfodder.
12:14 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Sam Gia Fem Law) had a long sword entrusted to her by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:46279
12:15 <rebatela> yeah i do it with inc. dmg when possible and i have polymorph/eota etc. 
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12:21 <carlarc> where are the entrances for the 2 new branches?
12:21 <rebatela> vecna is a portal right after votd 
12:22 <carlarc> votd?
12:23 <Graznop> Ice queen is on level above Medusa
12:25 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Sam Gia Fem Law) destroyed the invisible Vlad the Impaler, on T:46647
12:25 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Sam Gia Fem Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:46649
12:25 <rebatela> votd=valley of the dead
12:29 <K2> NetSysFire its live now
12:36 <NetSysFire> \o/
12:36 * Umbire emits an iron ball at NetSysFire 
12:37 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) killed Juiblex, on T:59543
12:37 <NetSysFire> i feel like a masochist for playing con
12:46 <bouquet> con in UnNethack is hard enough. I can't image it in Evilhack.
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13:43 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] carlarc (Pri Ith Fem Cha) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:78604
13:45 <carlarc> hmm
13:45 <carlarc> what should i expect from kathryn
13:52 <amateurhour> death and/or despair as an acid blast melts ur face
13:54 <carlarc> elaborate ?
13:55 <amateurhour> they're a pretty nasty spellcaster so they can cast acid blast
13:56 <amateurhour> which if you don't have acid res can be dangerous
13:56 <amateurhour> mobileuser can probably give better tips if they're here
13:56 <carlarc> are they covetous
13:56 <amateurhour> uh I can't remember actually it's been a while
13:57 <amateurhour> @e?Kathryn the Ice Queen
13:57 <Hecubus> Kathryn the Ice Queen (@) | Lvl: 32 | Diff: 36 | Spd: 15 | Res: cold sleep petrification drain | Confers: nothing | MR: 80 | Generates: unique | AC: 0 | Attacks: 3d4 weapon physical, 8d8 touch cold, 3d8 cast clerical, 3d8 cast spell | Alignment: -128 | Flags: omnivore, flies, regenerates, seeinvis, nopoly
13:57 <amateurhour> doesn't look like it
14:05 <carlarc> what are the rewards for beating her anyways
14:22 <rebatela> dragohide artifact bag of holding that holds more, plus gold and 10% chance of marker i believe 
14:22 <rebatela> throne as well 
14:22 <rebatela> and a pegsaus that can be tamed/ridden
14:22 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] carlarc (Pri Ith Mal Cha) murdered his faithful magical eye, on T:79451
14:22 <carlarc> oh dammit
14:23 <rebatela> i usually do it with a bunch of pets (the woolly mammoths on the level are awesome. i try not to kill them) 
14:24 <rebatela> if you don't have acid resistance it's really tough though. Also, be careful not to piss her off again by killing peacefuls in front of her etc. or it's instadeath the second "fight" 
14:24 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] carlarc (Pri Ith Mal Cha) defeated Kathryn the Ice Queen, on T:79467
14:24 <rebatela> nice
14:27 <carlarc> im not sure she acid blasted me once
14:27 <rebatela> nice
14:27 <carlarc> can i sit on her throne?
14:27 <rebatela> yep
14:27 <carlarc> wtf her loots behind iron bars
14:27 <rebatela> acid potions in one of the crystal chests for thta
14:28 <carlarc> oh
14:28 <carlarc> except its not there
14:29 <rebatela> weird
14:37 <carlarc> "The iron bars corrode somewhat but stay intact." oh come on what the fuck!
14:41 <Umbire> Did you wield it?
14:41 <Umbire> It probably takes a few acid potions
14:41 <carlarc> i was casting acid blast
14:42 <carlarc> i have no acid potions anywhere
14:42 <Umbire> Ah
14:45 <carlarc> i ended up polying into a xorn to get in
14:52 <carlarc> why is there an unused 'greater pegasus', lol
14:53 <amateurhour> there's some acid potions in there chest there
15:27 <bouquet> carlarc: if you can't cast fireball, it takes 5 blessed scrolls of fire to defeat her.
15:27 <carlarc> neat
15:43 <Umbire> O:
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16:26 <mobileuser> carlarc wielding an acid potion and moving with F against the bars should work
16:29 <mobileuser> oh, you didn't find the potions... there should always be 3 in one of the chests
16:29 <mobileuser> anyway, you got the bag :-)
16:47 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) killed Dispater, on T:59986
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17:10 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) destroyed Mosh the spectre, and former Matriarch, on T:61062
17:10 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:61069
17:13 <mobileuser> revenge for Mosh
17:14 <bouquet> was that your bones?
17:14 <bouquet> no body or tombstone
17:14 <mobileuser> no, my playername is mobileuser
17:14 <bouquet> did the player turn into a spectre?
17:14 <mobileuser> yeah, that happens with high-level players
17:15 <bouquet> ah.
17:15 <mobileuser> instead of a ghost they become a spectre
17:16 <bouquet> poor Mosh. looks like they made a boulder fort but not on the stairs.
17:16 <mobileuser> I seem to remember that Orcus drained all their hitpoints
17:16 <bouquet> and died trying to get back.
17:17 <mobileuser> afterwards K2 did some tweaks
17:17 <bouquet> I don't know how people defeat these demon lords without boulder forts, paralysis, and ranged attacks.
17:17 <bouquet> I'm playing the most OP melee class and I don't even go toe to toe.
17:17 <mobileuser> he sounded like he didn't like boulder forts
17:18 <bouquet> I hide like a scared possum
17:18 <mobileuser> let's see if I can find the log...
17:19 <bouquet> wish we could grep the dumplogs in the webui
17:21 <mobileuser> found it
17:21 <mobileuser> 19:21 <tonneofton> WTH are you supposed to do?
17:21 <mobileuser> 19:21 <tonneofton> Scroll of earth, sure, but what else?
17:21 <mobileuser> 19:24 <Graznop> sit inside boulder fort. Magic missile
17:21 <mobileuser> 19:25 <tonneofton> seems dumb that that is the only solution
17:21 <mobileuser> (21 dec)
17:24 <bouquet> oof
17:25 <bouquet> do horns or drums frighten demon lords? I never think to use them for that. I usually save them for E on air.
17:26 <bouquet> in any case, thanks Mosh/tonneofton for the sweet bones!
17:27 <Graznop> dunno. i'm too busy hiding. how about a camera?
17:28 <bouquet> they always retreat to the upstairs which can be a problem if you're standing on it. Not sure they have another path in that decision tree
17:30 <bouquet> nope, they don't run when you toot a horn or drum at them.
17:30 <Graznop> is there any place to fight them other than the upstairs?
17:31 <mobileuser> horns don't scare demon lords, I think nothing does
17:31 <mobileuser> it's on the wiki :-)
17:31 <bouquet> as if I'd RTFM :)
17:31 <bouquet> stairs, fort, range. That's all there is.
17:32 <Graznop> has anyone else seen strange demon lord behaviour? I've seen Juiblex behave strangely several times
17:32 <bouquet> how so?
17:33 <Graznop> bouncing around a dozen or so squares from the upstairs and not attacking
17:34 <bouquet> ya, I've seen that. I also realized today the monsters don't sit still once they're awake. They're constantly moving. 
17:35 <Graznop> also seen something similar with Asmo (i think), it's as if there are bugs in the movement algorithms. If only we could exploit
17:35 <bouquet> the pathing has been improved to keep the more intelligent ones from bee-lining straight at you to their own peril.
17:36 <mobileuser> I vaguely remember K2 adapting something to make the behaviour of Vecna different...
17:36 <bouquet> vecna can't be awoken with cursed invis. That's different.
17:37 <bouquet> but otherwise, vecna heads for the upstairs like any demon lord
17:37 <mobileuser> yeah but 1 hit and he would immediately teleport to the stairs
17:37 <mobileuser> that was tweaked
17:37 <bouquet> I thought they went to the stairs when they were below a certain percentage of max?
17:38 <mobileuser> At first I only needed to poke him a bit :-)
17:38 <bouquet> I wonder if it would be more challenging if they phased a couple squares away instead of heading clear across the map to the stairs.
17:38 <Graznop> is the same code used for Liches and Alhoons? They behave strangely sometimes too
17:39 <mobileuser> that is by design
17:39 <mobileuser> makes them harder to kill
17:40 <bouquet> I'll say this for the vecna branch, I'm less afraid of arch liches now.
17:40 <Graznop> but there seems a point when they give up and stop running
17:40 <mobileuser> I don't even bother with Vecna anymore unless I play Infidel
17:41 <bouquet> ya, I don't know why I bother.
17:41 <bouquet> I don't use sword of kas and the loot is more caster-friendly.
17:41 <bouquet> they eye would be nice.
17:41 <bouquet> I got it... once :\
17:41 <Graznop> i've not bothered the last few games either. Risk vs rewards...
17:42 <bouquet> with beholders in the game the magic 8 ball is more valuable to me
17:42 <bouquet> slotless warning if I can't get it intrinsically is good
17:44 <Graznop> thanks for reminding me - i need to visit the Oracle
17:44 <mobileuser> "visit"
17:45 <Umbire> There's a handful of artifacts that give warning iirc
17:46 <bouquet> ya, but the magic 8 ball doesn't require a wish. Just some light murder
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19:57 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) killed the Oracle, on T:62054
20:19 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Con Ith Fem Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:4129
20:29 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Con Ith Fem Cha) polymorphed her first object, on T:6755
20:31 <NetSysFire> Blecch!  Rotten food!  The world spins and goes dark.  Suddenly, the rabid dog disappears out of sight.
20:31 <NetSysFire> how did i see that
20:38 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Con Ith Fem Cha), 10685 points, T:9403, killed by a water troll
20:38 <NetSysFire> fuck it was a good run but i got cornered by watchmen
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21:03 <Umbire> :c
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23:12 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) genocided alhoons, on T:62909
23:12 <Umbire> Yay
23:13 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) genocided disenchanters, on T:62916
23:13 <Umbire> Double yay!
23:14 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) genocided basilisks, on T:62916
23:14 <Umbire> Triple yay!
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