00:04 [hdf-us] [evil] Mosh (Bar Gia Mal Cha) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:4849 00:20 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:27370 00:20 ooh, a fortune cookie sitting in raw sewage! Of course I'll eat it. 00:41 [hdf-us] [evil] Mosh (Bar Gia Mal Cha) became literate by engraving "Elbereth", on T:7374 00:59 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) killed the Rat King, on T:28139 02:17 [hdf-us] [evil] Mosh (Bar Gia Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:13806 02:32 [hdf-us] [evil] Mosh (Bar Gia Mal Cha) destroyed the invisible coplate's ghost, the former Thaumaturge, on T:14842 02:42 -!- bhaak has joined #evilhack 02:58 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 03:47 -!- amateurhour has joined #evilhack 03:59 > You mentally assault the gnome lady! You kill the gnome lady! A little dart shoots out at you! You are hit by a little dart. The dart was poisoned! The poison was deadly... 03:59 Such a promising game... 04:00 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 1396 points, T:1711, poisoned by a little dart 04:48 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Neu) performed his first genocide (shocking spheres), on T:42935 04:48 (now that i finally have a free action ring) 04:50 -!- elenmirie has quit [Read error: No route to host] 04:50 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #evilhack 04:50 -!- elenmirie_ is now known as elenmirie 05:00 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 05:29 this DL 20 centaur general store owner's days were limited to begin with, but now i've dropped down into his store and am apparently invisible and giant, so yeah ummm he's gonna die 05:33 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Neu) genocided gray dragons, on T:45189 05:34 i was going to genocide gel cubes (because there is one two steps from me), but can they even engulf/suffocate giants? I can't remember 05:48 rebatela nothing can engulf giants 05:48 YUGE advantage 05:56 it is YUGE 06:11 yeah i was seriously typing gelatinous cube to the genocide prompt and had a "wait a second" moment 06:11 giants are fun 06:11 as long as you can artifact wish 06:11 lawful giants kinda blow 06:12 having a good game, but i would like to do some sarcficing and have not even id'd create monster wand nvm spell 06:26 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Neu) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:48817 06:26 BAH 06:27 pickaxe? 06:27 yeah i was JUST thinking it might be timet to put it away 06:27 rip 06:27 I wish we could punch walls like we can boulders 06:28 oh man that'd be sweet 06:28 just straight down 06:28 that's what i'm doing anway with the pickaxe > > 06:28 and then i forget to w- 06:28 but i'll still type w- 5000 times in this game even though i've broken the conduct... 06:28 (i know you get it lol) 06:29 maybe master martial arts should let you punch boulders and grandmaster let you punch walls/floor 06:30 there ya go 06:34 does a giant have another source of acid resistance besides dragonbane? 06:35 i basically have to get it or would instadie to vecna ? 06:35 * rebatela ragequits 06:35 jarlearl'd 06:35 chromatic dsm maybe 06:36 true 06:36 i've actually gotten it twice (but obviously didn't wear because of the monk thing) 06:36 I wish there was another way to get acid res 06:36 i was using a shield of reflection for most of this game which i also never do but i have amuelt now 06:36 potion of acid res, scroll of resistance, heck even crowning or monk level up 06:36 yeah like a ring would be pretty sweet 06:36 yeah ring too 06:36 or a spell 06:37 just some more conventional way that isn't get dragonbane 06:37 well when i'm human i use apron if i don't have it 06:37 alchemy smock whatever 06:37 dnh has scroll of resistance which temporarily gives lots of resistances 06:37 oh nice 06:38 but i'm not doing the kathryn level w/out acid resistance 06:38 or vecna 06:38 another option could be an object property that gives acid res 06:38 yeah 06:38 or demogorgon 06:39 so it would suck if it was created in my bag via bones or some shenanigans that made it so i couldn't use it 06:39 in my GAME* 06:39 not bag 06:39 or if i destroyed it somehow (ok that's the most likely) 06:40 but i've YET to get it ever from an altar so maybe this is my turn (if i ever find create monster) 06:41 i guess i can altar scum just resting but that's beyond tedious. I got every artifact except dragonbane it seemed last game. i'm due to get lucky 06:42 goten mjolnir so far i think 06:44 either that or when you play giant, master kaen is a giant monk and has chance of a giant sized robe/cloak of mr/apron 06:45 also it would be sweet if those chromatic scales didn't have the to-hit penalty for monks 06:46 if the castle wand is 0:3 i'll try to wish for dragonbane, but i already wished for eye so it becomes 50/50 06:46 i blew two wishes last game and got denied both times 06:55 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 07:03 i could conceivably just cast reflection. It' the acid resistance i'm screwed without 07:03 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 07:05 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Neu) destroyed Charon, on T:50119 07:05 he started it 07:06 oh i see he always has wand of opening? that makes sense 07:08 [hdf-us] [evil] ligang (Kni Hum Mal Cha), 665 points, T:3222, killed by a spear trap 07:10 can you pay Charon to open the drawbridge for you? 07:10 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 07:14 i think it's the only drawbridge you can't destroy 07:14 so i guess that means you can die standing on it either 07:15 can't* 07:15 the rest of them i blow up immediately these days 07:16 i worry about getting hit by the shrapnel 07:18 yeah if you do it from the next space i think you die too 07:18 gotta have a gap i think 07:19 the bridge comes down on you or whatever. i've died in every way possible to drawbridge i bet 07:21 the only one i routinely blow up is at the castle, but the debris seems a bit random 07:22 i used to always use knock or opening or whatever. but if you're standing on that square and something zaps striking etc. the bridge blows up and you die so it's better to just blow it up yourself first from a distance 07:22 imo 07:22 like it'll happen way later when you're on your way up with the amulet and you've forget there was ever evena bridge there 07:23 [hdf-us] [evil] ligang (Kni Hum Mal Cha), 784 points, T:2729, killed by an elf zombie 07:24 i think bouquet just died that way the other day. I meant to say RIP !!! it sucks 07:25 yeah, that sucks 07:25 i want the bones though! 07:26 https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/b/bouquet/evilhack/dumplog/1639431162.evil.txt 07:26 didn't mobileuser leave some too? 07:26 oh and new orcus bones as well, Mosh 07:27 all those 3 levels are gonna leave them most likely so whoever gets there... 07:27 https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/M/Mosh/evilhack/dumplog/1639012570.evil.txt 07:27 am in two minds about bones - yes they're fun, but also can be terrifying! 07:28 ouch got drained 07:28 -65 ac wtf 07:28 at least the spectre will be easy with 26max hp 07:29 must have busted throught he boulder fort? 07:29 orcus is no joke these days 07:29 graznop: yeah, sometimes you gotta earn them! 07:30 i've gotten my own valley bones twice now. the spectre will use up all your shit. that's what sucks 07:30 drink potions/make wishes etc. 07:30 at least you can recharge all the empty wands of death 07:31 exactly 07:31 had it happen - pet Titan wished for cursed gain level 07:31 https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/m/mobileuser/evilhack/dumplog/1639421148.evil.txt 07:32 that's the other one. so that's 3 games that almost certainly left bones that i may or may not come up on. do you have a game going? 07:32 that deep i think it leaves it and it's just a matter of whether your game rolls it 07:33 someone will get those levels (or all 3) 07:33 just about to start one - don't know what role/race to do though 07:33 i'm in votd. i was taking wraiths back to sokoban with the eye to eat, but they're gone 07:34 tempted to play another giant 07:34 bones? 07:34 found my first wand of death 0:8 in a chest 07:34 are you asking should you play with bones? of course you should 07:35 there's 3 ridiculous bones files... 07:35 no, i thought you might have bones because the wraiths were gone? 07:36 oh no they're gone because i ate them 07:36 sorry i wasn't clear 07:36 they're gone NOW 07:36 ;) 07:36 nom nom 07:37 but yeah it was nice to have a normal valley. it's scary when you get there and do telepathy and they ARE gone... 07:38 my last valley was a priest, so got to try #turn 07:39 oh yeah. new rules right? 07:39 priests got some kind of buff with turning i think ? 07:40 when you're wearing the Mitre, prayer works in Gehennom 07:40 ah that's right 07:41 cool 07:41 got a vampire mage pet though so then couldn't use #turn much 07:41 they are great pets 07:42 yes. this one ended up with -46ac 07:42 anything that casts is fun and if you don't have to feed them or they feed themselves or whatever it's even beter... those woollys mammoths are fun but you gotta have veggies 07:43 titans are my fave 07:43 but i think that's how i died to graz't dumbass pickedup part of my first boulder fort i believe 07:44 there were lots of reasons i died. but it's funny having one of those titans for a while and eventually they pick up a bag of holding, and the things they will fill it with are hilarious 07:45 Tell me about it - i met jerry 07:45 it's like a vacuum cleaner that heals itself and casts touch of death 07:45 hehe 07:46 Was this the one with Fire Brand? 07:46 i have a titan in my game, but i can only cast charm at like 80% fail or something 07:46 not sure - the vorpal J death, with two pet T? 07:46 it's gonna be summoning as i'm failing every turn 07:46 and it gets crazy 07:47 oh yeah that was before 07:47 that's when the dude cursed gain level out of there 07:47 jerry picked up your BoH and used wand of wishing, then all death charges 07:47 good stuff 07:47 yes. only in Evil! 07:48 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 07:49 i haven't even done castle yet and i'm at 50k something turns lol 07:50 did valley first just because it's that lava level and the stairs are right there. I haven't overheard anyone making wishes 07:51 that's not to say the wand isn't on the ground empty ... 07:52 never had that happen (yet) 07:57 -!- ChrisANG has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:58 oh i go into the castle hoping to get a 0:0 wand that i can charge for 3 wishes... then i won't be disappointed 07:58 although that one time... 08:03 usually finding bones is good, like that orcus level is probably good if you get on the stairs because he's already messed up. might only need a couple hits, but it can go wrong easily too 08:10 on balance, I think I prefer early bones - although less loot, higher chance of actually getting something you want/need 08:20 only wizards should die in the first 10 levels 08:20 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 08:24 agreed 08:24 only if they have an MR cloak of course 08:24 but i don't find bones in evil very frequently 08:25 we need more players 08:25 better pr department 08:25 every 10th death should win a pony or something 08:33 Damnit mobileuser you weren't supposed to die 08:33 Sorry just now noticed 08:36 yeah :-( 08:36 Why was your cloak off? 08:36 epic streak is battle is over 08:37 I forgot to put it back on 08:37 pure stupidity 08:37 Something tells me another epic streak battle will be coming before too long 08:37 i try to get people to play (for early wiz bones obviously) 08:37 heh, taking a little evilhack break now 08:37 play wizard! they're super easy! 08:38 rebatela I want to try giant wizard 08:38 is there a thing? 08:38 what? 08:38 which has no MR cloak :b 08:39 imagine the disappointment when people find those bones =D 08:39 Giant wizard sounds super fun 08:39 yeah it does 08:40 I know K2 did one 08:40 seems hard 08:41 wow i didn't even realize it was playable 08:42 hothraxxa and k2 each have ascended it 08:42 do giant wizards get an amulet of mr to start? 08:42 i wonder if being giant makes up for the squish of the early wiz game or adds to it 08:44 Graznop 1. I guess not 2. K2 should make it so 3. K2 won't :b 08:45 yes giants get an amulet of MR to start 08:45 :O 08:45 OMG 08:45 that's been a thing for a long time 08:45 time to start rolling giant wizards and early splatting for fun and profit 08:46 yeah!!! 08:46 litter the dungeons with MR amulets 08:46 as much as some of you have played... the level of mis-information here astounds me :) 08:46 lol 08:47 is it... on the wiki? 08:47 on wiki or isn't real 08:48 i didn't even know you could PLAY giant wizard 08:48 not on wiki 08:48 if only anyone could edit it... 08:48 -!- ChrisANG has joined #evilhack 08:48 I'll add it :-) 08:48 :P 08:49 as penance :b 08:49 it's not true that anyone can edit it, only ppl that have an account can 08:49 maybe best to put it under giant entry for 'new player races' 08:49 so it's just LIES 08:49 ? 08:49 will do 08:49 K2: people keep developing stuff, it was way easier when 3.4.3 had been the current version since approximately the Victorian era 08:49 no excuse! 08:49 :P 08:50 under 'player race-role combinations' it shows giant wizard as a combo 08:50 neutral or chaotic 08:50 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (two random monsters from class :), on T:1502 08:50 I will add the giant splint mail too there 08:50 cool 08:51 is the tsurugi change there 08:51 hmm no 08:52 I'll add that 08:56 added 08:56 added 08:56 wewp 08:57 \o/ 08:59 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:3028 09:01 -!- qt has joined #evilhack 09:02 good work team 09:03 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Kni Elf Fem Neu) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:40716 09:04 hah 09:04 amateurhour, our project manager that does nothing but sit back in his chair with a cup of coffee and occasionally says 'good work team' 09:05 you're gonna go places 09:05 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha), 2183 points, T:4087, killed by a rabid dog 09:05 :P 09:07 hey I do other valuable stuff too like breathe down your neck from time to time and complain about stuff 09:08 and I can read enchant armor in the heat of battle which I absolutely love 09:10 needs nerfing, if there's any monsters anywhere on current floor enchant armour should refuse to work 09:10 hahaha 09:17 i still don't trust that blessed enchant armor. It even works when confused for repair, but i'm just waiting for my shit to get vaporized 09:17 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha), 916 points, T:2226, crunched in the head by an iron ball 09:17 [hdf-us] [evil] ligang (Kni Hum Mal Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping 10 darts on an altar, on T:5347 09:20 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha), 257 points, T:1243, poisoned by a kobold zombie 09:23 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Kni Elf Fem Neu) defeated Kathryn the Ice Queen, on T:41368 09:23 [hdf-us] [evil] ligang (Kni Hum Mal Cha), 3705 points, T:5545, killed by a warg 09:26 K2: from the wiki page, re: goblin outriders: 'One of the few monsters in EvilHack that can ride a steed' 09:26 old entry 09:27 was it originally extremely limited which monsters could ride? 09:27 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha), 444 points, T:1656, killed by a hobbit zombie 09:28 yes 09:28 interesting, what was the list like? 09:28 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha), 8 points, T:121, killed by a grid bug 09:29 goblin outriders and the Riders? 09:29 goblin outriders, goblin captains, nazgul, riders 09:29 add a horse girl monster 09:29 i guess any monster can become a horse girl now that riding is not restricted 09:31 well there are restrictions 09:31 yeah but not restricted to a specific list 09:33 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha), 360 points, T:1069, killed by a gnome zombie 09:34 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha), 96 points, T:311, killed by a grid bug 09:34 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha), 4 points, T:77, killed by a potion of acid 09:35 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] https://git.io/JyfkZ 09:35 [EvilHack] k21971 fd977f6 - Some more formatting tweaks to muse.c, fix for reflection_skip. 09:36 qt what was that thing you saw in dog.c yesterday? some sort of unreachable condition? 09:42 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha), 912 points, T:1584, killed by a giant mosquito 09:45 hmm dog.c:971 is a weird unreachable return statement, it's right after another return statement 09:46 just delete that 'return ACCFOOD;' line i guess, the previous more complicated return will be the one that actually handles cloves of garlic 09:47 huh weird 09:48 how did that even get in there 09:49 idk check git blame 09:50 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] https://git.io/Jyfm3 09:50 [EvilHack] k21971 98c2a71 - Fix: unreachable return statement in dog.c 09:52 I git blame amateurhour 10:00 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:3943 10:06 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Sam Gia Fem Law) eschewed atheism, by dropping a platinum lamp on an altar, on T:3258 10:08 [hdf-us] [evil] ligang (Kni Hum Mal Cha) had Luck Blade bestowed upon him by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:2415 10:11 what's the "tsurugi change"? 10:12 half phys dam for tsurugi of muramasa 10:13 when wielded 10:21 wearing blue dragon scales/scale mail already imparts 'very fast' speed. paxed misled me! 10:21 :P 10:23 have you committed it yet? 10:24 committed what? 10:25 the tsurugi "half physical dmg" change. 10:25 yes. over a year ago 10:25 oh... I never knew it was a thing. 10:25 [hdf-us] [evil] qt (Sam Hum Mal Law) had a pair of boxing gloves entrusted to him by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:58868 10:26 behold! https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/0fa6cf7cca49b4a3e0e9c4e5edda746cf77f0b8a 10:26 thanks for nothing amateurasu hourmikami 10:26 but you can box now 10:26 heh 10:27 they're GOP, would be nice if I didn't already have dbane 10:28 priviledged 1st world problems 10:28 if you dual wield w/ giantslayer you'll get 25 str 10:29 qt it is a reminder from me to train martial arts 10:30 you have god-given talent in martial arts and yet you waste away swinging bits of metal 10:30 smh 10:33 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha) had Luck Blade bestowed upon her by Tymora, on T:9466 10:38 [hdf-us] [evil] ligang (Kni Hum Mal Cha), 604 points, T:2607, killed by a rabid dog 10:42 is it better to wish for a shirt of drain res even though I am hoping to get Excalibur from crowning, or to wish for some other oprop? 10:43 I usually can't think of a property I'd rather have 10:46 i think it'd be better to get the drain res from the shirt. excalibur could be stolen 10:46 it's nice not to have to think about wielding excal 10:47 okay, I guess I'll go for it then 10:47 kinda overpowered that you can get both drain res and the readable hawaiian property on a single item 10:47 ... 10:47 omg I never considered that 10:47 that's true 10:48 [hdf-us] [evil] qt (Sam Hum Mal Law) wished for "blessed fixed +2 dragonhide Hawaiian shirt of decay", on T:60588 10:48 readable hawaiian shirts is just too powerful. it'll have to be removed 10:48 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Kni Elf Fem Neu) killed Cerberus, on T:43310 10:48 birds of paradise on a geometric background 10:48 sounds funky 10:48 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Kni Elf Fem Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:43338 10:48 reading a shirt while hallucinating doesnt give different feedback does it? 10:49 hmm I'm not sure. I don't think so? 10:49 it should if it doesnt 10:49 rodney riding a newt on a purple background 10:50 yeah it doesn't give a different message 10:50 qt humping a turtle on a pile of gold 10:50 if you do that you kind of have to do the same for all sorts of other readable items though 10:50 :D 10:50 and then you need to start considering whether it should apply to scrolls, spellbooks... 10:50 it could be a big can of worms if you want it to be consistent 10:50 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha) made her first wish - "blessed greased fixed +3 gray dragon scale mail", on T:12839 10:50 SMOP? 10:53 dang there was a beholder, i walked right up to it without noticing 10:53 he must have been asleep, he didn't react at all 10:54 most times they'll be asleep on spawn 10:55 sweet, I just got some yellow dragon scale mail. this should help with medusa right? 10:55 i 'found' it on an illithid infidel's corpse 10:55 yes 10:55 It's so nice to be able to just slash away at Medusa 10:58 [hdf-us] [evil] ligang (Kni Hum Mal Cha) had a dagger entrusted to him by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:3421 10:58 [hdf-us] [evil] carlarc (Arc Hob Fem Neu), 1919 points, T:2275, killed by a hobbit zombie 11:02 [hdf-us] [evil] qt (Sam Hum Mal Law) had Trollsbane bestowed upon him by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:61386 11:04 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) killed Aphrodite, on T:32470 11:08 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) destroyed k2's ghost, the former Fighter, on T:32787 11:12 [hdf-us] [evil] carlarc (Arc Hob Fem Neu) destroyed karibou's ghost, the former Cutpurse, on T:1734 11:15 -!- ChrisANG has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:22 -!- ChrisANG has joined #evilhack 11:32 [hdf-us] [evil] ligang (Kni Hum Mal Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:7404 11:45 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha) destroyed lacca's ghost, the former Jail-bird, on T:21901 11:51 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:22799 11:52 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, acquiring a gold amulet of reflection, on T:22868 11:53 [hdf-us] [evil] ligang (Kni Hum Mal Cha), 5208 points, T:9230, killed by a mountain dwarf, while praying 11:54 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Kni Elf Fem Neu) killed Dispater, on T:45420 11:59 [hdf-us] [evil] carlarc (Arc Hob Fem Neu), 3367 points, T:2953, killed by a burning scroll 12:02 -!- spicyCebolla has joined #evilhack 12:02 [hdf-us] [evil] ligang (Kni Hum Mal Cha), 567 points, T:1663, killed by a giant bat 12:04 [hdf-us] [evil] carlarc (Arc Hob Fem Neu), 189 points, T:688, killed by a giant mimic 12:06 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Kni Elf Fem Neu) killed Baalzebub, on T:45817 12:08 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Sam Gia Fem Law) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:4084 12:09 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 12:12 -!- spicyCebolla has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:14 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha) had a pair of walking shoes entrusted to her by Tymora, on T:26305 12:16 K2: have you ever thought about how most of the properties are really overshadowed by drain resistance and maybe oilskin? i think maybe it is worth considering some alternate properties, or/also nerfing the decay armor property slightly (like, 1 decay piece = 75% resist, 2 for 100% or something) 12:17 or properties as compelling as decay, like confusion- or stun- resist/immunity 12:18 [hdf-us] [evil] carlarc (Arc Hob Fem Neu), 634 points, T:1717, killed by a mithril arrow 12:18 (weapon-only property for thrown weapons -- 100% returning!) 12:19 heck even just always-fail-at-feet instead of at-target :-) 12:21 when i was bringing over secondary trinsics for DSM from sporkhack, one thing I purposely left out was stun/conf resistance (yellow dragon scales) 12:22 because there are times its beneficial to be confused 12:22 stun only resistance would be cool 12:22 big middle finger to archons 12:22 drain res is only epic because the things that can drain you are so strong 12:23 i'm just always worried about "mandatory kit" 12:23 therefore the solution is to delet intrinsics from eating food and making epic tier monsters that you absolutely need e.g. fire res for 12:23 I dont feel the monster spell 'destroy armor' needs nerfed 12:23 :^) 12:23 and right now a t-shirt of drain resistance is a huge nobrainer 12:24 not if you're a giant 12:24 be neat if there was some non-blinding proof against gaze attacks 12:24 eyes of the overworld 12:24 clear vision or whatever 12:24 do eyes no longer screw you? 12:25 i seem to remember getting stoned through walls with them on 12:25 They never did, at least in evil 12:25 https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/355900699790d8555665a6e8c9965d609e5c3cb4 12:25 (That I remember) 12:25 maybe i dreamed it 12:25 that commit is 26 months old :) 12:26 i'm slow 12:26 that might be how long ago i played a monk :-) 12:27 doesn't protect you against medusa because [reasons] 12:27 'Medusa's stoning gaze is too powerful for the EotO to resist.' 12:28 amateurhour, arent you supposed to say 'good work everyone' and then take a nap? 12:28 :P 12:28 no no this is the coffee sipping chair leaning part of the day 12:28 aah 12:28 my bad 12:31 hahahah the EotO changes are mentioned on the wiki already \o/ 12:33 you all remember me talking about next version, vecna will drop either the eye or the hand? 12:33 so you're guaranteed to get *something* artifact wise for your trouble 12:33 i think the hand confers drain res already per lore 12:33 i need to dbl check 12:33 slotless drain res would be worth the risk 12:34 we should be able to replace our bodyparts with vecna's ones 12:35 with a short ascii art cutscene showing the surgery occurring 12:35 [hdf-us] [evil] carlarc (Arc Dwa Fem Neu), 220 points, T:1417, killed by Mr. Akalapi; the shopkeeper, while sleeping 12:37 on a nice beach background 12:37 sorry, had a hawaiian shirt moment there 12:37 of course it has to be a readable hawaiian ascii cutscene 12:37 it'd tarnish the brand if it weren't 12:37 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Sam Gia Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed fixed +3 mithril large splint mail of venom", on T:4686 12:38 https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Hand_of_Vecna - no mention of drain resistance. but I can do what I want :) 12:43 huh, i just found an identified cockatrice egg 12:43 It's the hand of something drain resistant so 12:43 qt: neat 12:44 how'd you find it, was it pre-ID'd already? 12:44 it still won't make Vecna worth doing for me 12:44 yeah. unlike mobileuser i've never polymorphed into a cockatrice. idk why it's identified 12:44 heh 12:45 Did you see a monster attempt to throw one? 12:45 not sure, maybe i did and I didn't notice. this one was apparently a death drop from a warg 12:46 Check the tty? 12:46 Speaking of, I feel like playing for the first time in ages 12:46 [hdf-us] [evil] carlarc (Arc Dwa Fem Neu) had a pair of riding gloves entrusted to her by Camaxtli, on T:2502 12:49 actually maybe i saw one hatch into a cockatrice 12:49 that is vaguely ringing a bell 12:49 Probably 12:49 Seeing eggs hatch IDs them if I recall correctly 12:59 [hdf-us] [evil] carlarc (Arc Dwa Fem Neu), 1529 points, T:4164, killed by a boulder 13:01 -!- spicyCebolla has joined #evilhack 13:10 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Kni Elf Fem Neu) killed Orcus, on T:46755 13:37 How long do monster reflection spells last and I assume they only time out while you're on the level 13:42 good questions... 13:43 50-150 turns if i recall 13:44 it doesn't look like it times out at all for monsters 13:45 yeah 13:45 maybe I am thinking of the player spell 13:45 50-150 for the player 13:45 not fair! :-) 13:45 https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/blob/master/src/spell.c#L876 13:45 nice patch idea if it isn't already a thing 13:46 make reflection a directional spell so you can give ur pet doggos reflection 13:46 Would be neat if cancelation dropped their reflection or protection spells 13:46 I've never cast reflection so idk if it's directional already or not 13:46 says the knight with magic missile :b 13:46 YES exactly 13:50 it never times out for monsters? 13:50 no 13:50 wtf K2 how could you do this to me 13:51 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha), 75333 points, T:40442, killed by a mountain centaur 13:51 you never gave my records back 13:51 well.. you can keep nickleback, but i want the rest back! 13:52 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Kni Elf Fem Neu) wished for "blessed +2 silver aklys of lightning named Reflect This, Demogorgon", on T:47716 13:53 look at this photograph 13:53 lacca :( 13:53 https://0x0.st/-Obi.jpg 13:53 lol VaderFLAG 13:53 little known fact, that's the photograph the nickelback song is about 13:53 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Kni Elf Fem Neu) killed the invisible Demogorgon, on T:47722 13:53 ugh 13:55 did you have money on Demo winning? 13:56 haha 13:56 Everybody's talkin about all the great bones there are down in hell and I saw none of em 13:56 K2: Nice illiterate incentive 13:56 @ wiki edits 13:57 About time they got some more perks honestly 13:58 its been a thing for awhile, just never updated the wiki 13:59 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 14:00 Sick 14:01 K2 did you see the YANI for directional reflection spell? 14:01 no 14:01 then YANI: directional reflection spell so u can give ur pet doggos reflection 14:06 instead of bobble hats? wtf is wrong with you 14:06 all this work done in secret on bobble hats, and you want to throw it all away 14:06 qt was right 14:07 reflection doesn't protect against zombie bites AND doesn't look heckin' CUTE on a doggo 14:07 bobble hats does both of those 14:07 it's complimentary if anything 14:07 what was I right about 14:09 that amateurhour would betray my trust 14:10 stab me in the back whilst saying 'good work team' and sipping his tea 14:10 and I didnt listen! 14:10 * K2 sobs 14:10 probably drinking earl grey... 14:10 * K2 sobs harder 14:11 lol what do you have against earl grey 14:11 nothing. its what capt picard drinks 14:11 K2 is just jealous 14:12 I drink what Scotty drinks 14:13 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teVN-x6dkac 14:13 I'm drinking yorkshire tea atm 14:13 I KNEW it! 14:14 best normal tea innit 14:17 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Kni Elf Fem Neu) wished for "blessed +2 dragonhide hawaiian shirt named Dan Flashes LIMITED EDITION", on T:48146 14:18 not even an object prop 14:18 They were out of stock 14:19 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Kni Elf Fem Neu) wished for "blessed +2 dragonbane", on T:48161 14:19 poop 14:19 looking at wand of orcus max hp drain again 14:19 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Kni Elf Fem Neu) wished for "blessed +2 Dragonbane", on T:48162 14:19 poop poop! 14:19 setup a pline so it reports how much drained each hit 14:20 seen it go has high as 20 14:20 that might be a bit much 14:20 do you have a game that's just about to fight orcus or something? :^) 14:20 no hah 14:20 not even close 14:21 * amateurhour saves just before fighting Vecna without dragonbane 14:21 hey guys don't u think acid blast is a bit too strong?? 14:21 lol 14:21 if you are saying things other than 'good work, team' and 'I need those TPS reports by tomorrow', you are WRONG 14:22 :P 14:22 right now I've set a cap to maximum max hit point drain to 15 14:22 that's equiv to three blessed potions of extra healing 14:23 that feels right 14:27 if you can't kill him quickly he is going to drain much more than that of course 14:28 i'm talking about per hit, not overall 14:29 yeah if you cant kill him quickly or immobilize him in some way, boop 14:30 hmm, withering attack also 14:31 So Orcus is still a threat but post-Orcus navigation isn't terminally unfun 14:31 Sounds good 14:36 so withering isnt much of a factor all considered 14:38 orcus has 2 weapon attacks per turn, so it could currently be as much as 40 hp max hp drain per attack sequence 14:38 yeah that's a lot 14:44 And are there applicable resistances that reduce that? 14:45 no 14:45 * amateurhour in best K2 voice 14:45 Orcus' wand is too powerful for drain resistance to help 14:45 drink your tea 14:46 40 HP still seems like a lot 14:46 But ideally you have a lot of HP before you get that far 14:46 fyi, there's no case in nethack anywhere where drain res helps prevent/reduce max hp drain 14:46 two different things 14:46 'k, was just asking 14:47 that was directed at amateurhour/TPS boss 14:47 :P 14:47 if such a resistance were to be added we couldn't call it drain resistance then 14:48 am I a TPS flunky 14:48 drain res refers to level drain, not max hp drain 14:48 my vote goes to 'sink resistance' and it should also protect against damage from sinks thrown by giants (cheeky lil extra bonus idea for u there) 14:48 oh that's already in 14:48 ! 14:48 How long has it been in for? 14:48 future me traveled back in time and told me about it 14:49 its been in since the beginning 14:49 giants cant throw sinks, therefore sink res is in 14:51 lol 14:52 :) 14:52 I thought this was some roundabout way of saying you could already throw sinks 14:52 i know right? :D 14:54 man giants throwing dungeon features is a pretty wild EPI the more I think about it 14:54 imagine finding a throne room and the throne gets thrown at you (hah) 14:54 rip chance of wish 14:57 that would be cool 14:57 omg... 14:58 just got off the phone with one of our company VP's 14:58 have they signed off on the giants throwing dungeon features patch?? 14:58 he wanted to me to work on setting up his home printer to his work laptop this weekend 14:58 wow 14:58 me: 'you know this weekend is christmas right?' 14:58 * amateurhour looks at the date 14:59 them: '... oh yeah' 14:59 me: 'hah' 14:59 me: see you monday 15:00 if the server room isnt in the process of a nuclear meltdown, see you on monday 15:05 so back on topic (wand of orcus max hp draining) 15:05 could do this... 15:05 if (playername == amateurhour && ascends at least one game) permdmg = 5; 15:06 we're all counting on your amateurhour to finish a game of evilhack 15:06 welp we're screwed 15:06 lol 15:22 there is already a resistance: become a demon 15:22 Infidel strats 15:23 is it demon and undead? 15:23 I think so, yes 15:23 if so the non-infidel strat is to die and resurrect as a zombie :) 15:23 free drain res! 15:24 I think tinklebear played as a nude succubus or something 15:25 there's no way to phrase this question without it sounding lewd 15:25 haha! 15:25 what happens if you take orcus' wand? 15:25 with the stealy hands 15:25 you can't 15:26 there is no good in-universe reason why you can't 15:26 does it stay in orcus' invent, or do you take it and immediately drop it? 15:26 K2: you have a nuclear powered server farm? awesome 15:26 oh sorry, steal it... 15:26 It literally hurts you to touch it 15:26 Which makes me sadge 15:27 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Sam Gia Fem Law) completed Sokoban, acquiring an amulet of reflection, on T:11464 15:27 which is nonsense if you are a demon 15:27 but hey, game balance 15:27 Orcus is technically a deity in lore, also 15:27 if you're intent on integrating gameplay and story 15:28 can't touch the divine rod 15:28 I want to say something crude 15:28 but I wont 15:28 lol 15:29 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 15:29 however, demon monsters can use the wand of orcus fine 15:29 what a scam! 15:29 (I always bury it on the spot) 15:29 So Umbire, the narrative still doesn't work 15:30 players being able to use the wand of orcus, its way too OP 15:30 War with the Wand of Orcus could result in some serious shit happening besides 15:30 And even as an infidel you're never """truly""" a demon, though you can become one 15:30 But you weren't created as one 15:30 (also there's nothing obligating gameplay and story to be 1:1 anyhow) 15:31 yeah, second class citizen 15:31 booo! 15:31 I just want to bonk monsters with the big death stick :(( 15:34 heading out, see you all later tonight 15:41 Later 16:04 [hdf-us] [evil] qt (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed Medusa, on T:67216 16:18 [hdf-us] [evil] qt (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed the Oracle, on T:68857 16:18 I'm playing grunt at the moment, feeling a bit JarlEarl with all those exploding doors burning my armor 16:19 are we allowed to confess playing other games in this channel 16:19 if evilhack was like that in the beginning... :b 16:19 yeah 16:19 grunt and spork are allowed 16:20 but not splice 16:21 splice is right out 16:21 xnethack.....  hesitantly 16:21 there needs to be a haiku fully describing each variant to help people decide what to play 16:23 but on a serious note, cool features from other variants are always worth discussing 16:24 quality of life / plus interesting new features / xnethack is great 16:27 xnethack... what's that? 16:27 is that a new game? :) 16:27 varied ideas / abundance of epic stuff / it is dnethack 16:28 very difficult / everything wants to kill you / evilhack scary 16:29 I'm not a poet ok these used all the creativity I had 16:29 lol 16:30 beware of grunthack / it really wants you to suffer / your life will be pain 16:30 hahaha 16:30 wait what was I thinking with that 16:30 it just wants you to suffer 16:30 it's a bug in your haiku 16:30 just like the bugs in grunthack 16:30 fitting 16:31 slash'em extended / zany and controversial / exiled to github 16:33 slash'em is classic / unbalanced and buggy though / still worth playing now 16:40 -!- Umbyre has joined #evilhack 16:40 -!- Umbire is now known as Guest2479 16:40 -!- Umbyre is now known as Umbire 16:43 -!- Guest2479 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:43 none of these have seasonal references or images of nature 16:45 the brook babbles on / a red leaf carried downstream / high heel farting girls 16:47 hot month of june / play 1000 turns of gnollhack / job done 16:47 -!- Umbire is now known as Guest1523 16:47 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 16:47 -!- Guest1523 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:52 lol gnollhack is actually kinda good 16:52 but no1 believes me :( 16:57 it's hard to separate the code from the people, there 16:57 fiq says it's good too 16:59 'drather focus on variants that don't seem like they'll someday go off the rails in a bridge-burning IP confrontation 17:04 -!- krm26 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:05 "an uncursed greased can of grease" 17:05 ^ sign of getting tired 17:11 -!- Umbire is now known as Guest3408 17:11 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 17:14 -!- Guest3408 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:15 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 17:16 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:28 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) killed Ashikaga Takauji, on T:39240 17:29 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:39243 17:33 -!- amateurhour has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:33 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) completed her quest without incident, on T:39896 17:38 wow 17:38 there's 2 pegasi 17:39 am I seein' double over here or what!? am i right!? huh? 17:46 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 17:57 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 17:57 [hdf-us] [evil] carlarc (Ran Cen Fem Neu) polymorphed her first object, on T:11154 18:04 tired of adventurers stealing my bell of opening. Is it a safe move to stash it under a boulder? 18:05 i do that sometimes but I guess a giant mplayer could just take the boulder and the bell both 18:06 but if it's on a separate level hopefully they won't be wandering around while I'm elsewhere. 18:07 also, I had 2 pegasuses a couple games ago, too 18:08 true, as long as you stay off the level it should be safe 18:10 i leave the bell at my stash. Stops it getting cancelled too 18:12 I will do so as well 18:12 I have a lot of work to do before I need it. 18:13 would a peaceful giant pick it up? I tend to get a lot of those spawning 18:18 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) had a two-handed sword entrusted to her by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:40349 18:18 leave it by the stairs just before you leave a level? 18:21 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #evilhack 18:23 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 18:24 -!- ChrisANG has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:27 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 18:34 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:50 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Sam Gia Fem Law) had Snickersnee bestowed upon her by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:12769 18:56 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Sam Gia Fem Law) had a mithril winged helmet entrusted to her by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:12997 19:02 [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law), 4451 points, T:5049, killed by a Woodland-elf, while praying 19:15 swear to crom I just watched a dwarf traverse a boulder like a giant. 19:21 yep. He sure did. A dward walked right over a boulder like a giant. 19:27 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:43731 19:40 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 20:04 -!- qt has joined #evilhack 20:10 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 20:17 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 20:21 -!- Chris__ANG has joined #evilhack 20:23 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:36 -!- krm26 has joined #evilhack 20:47 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 20:48 https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/a5141e59be8db3d13b537316feda18d92e808415#diff-a3fc574e1d51ac72eaf2f6f7b18c8e649bcbbc6fa185f0d4cddb7061e80afcedR115 is that a typo? 20:50 nooooo 20:51 ^ spicyCebolla is that a typo? 20:51 or is that on purpose? 20:54 bouquet a dorf walked over a boulder? arent they small enough to squeeze under/around it? 20:54 just like the player? 20:55 YASI: when you are a metallivore and weak or worse and eat a mace, but its not enough to satiate you it should say "you still feel e-mace-iated" 20:57 bouquet hmm no... 20:58 NetSysFire lol 20:58 -!- Chris__ANG has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:58 bouquet I spawned a dwarf behind some boulders, made sure it had nothing in its inventory. its stuck behind them 20:58 -!- ChrisANG has joined #evilhack 20:58 bouquet was your dwarf something else before it was a dwarf? 20:59 "The kitten flows under a boulder." 21:00 -!- ChrisANG has quit [Read error: No route to host] 21:00 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Con Ith Fem Cha) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:3172 21:00 -!- ChrisANG has joined #evilhack 21:15 nobody loves the mystery van 21:28 so that's not a typo? 21:29 [EvilHack] RojjaCebolla opened pull request #89: reduce typo suspicions - https://git.io/JyUd4 21:30 hahah 21:30 [EvilHack] RojjaCebolla opened issue #90: ping NetSysFire and aosdict on IRC - https://git.io/JyUdo 21:31 aaaaaaaa spicyCebolla 21:41 spicyCebolla... why 21:44 >:( 21:45 i fixed the line they were interested in :} 21:49 but why do you need to create an issue for this? 21:51 K2: it was an "Adventurer". Is that what they're called? The yellow @ 21:51 I verified via ttyrec 21:52 might be a player monster. maybe an arc? or rogue? or tou? i dunno 21:52 dwarf samurai or something. 21:54 ouch 21:54 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Rank tourist. lvl 30 21:54 turn 43562 in https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/b/bouquet/evilhack/ttyrec/2021-12-22.23:46:10.ttyrec.gz 21:56 woah... K2 my game didn't come back when I re-entered. I got the recover/destroy/? option. Chose recover and it bailed. Now it's asking to choose my role. 22:14 [hdf-us] [evil] carlarc (Ran Cen Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:19145 22:23 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:56 -!- krm26 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:22 as a giant if you polymorph into a xorn you'll destroy your armor, but if you first poly into a xorn and try to put your large armor on it says "You are too small to wear such a suit of armor." 23:23 so maybe xorns shouldn't destory the giant's large splint mail? 23:31 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #evilhack 23:34 -!- ChrisANG has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:42 I tested dual wielding Wand of Orcus and Butcher as a giant samurai. Since samurai can't train mace and only basic in flail it ends not as good as tsurugi + excal. 23:43 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:46 -!- ChrisANG has joined #evilhack 23:51 -!- ChrisANG has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:53 -!- ChrisANG has joined #evilhack 23:57 K2: sorry to bug you... I wanted to get you before you went on vacation or something. My game crashed 23:59 wonder if Tangles can tap in when K2 is in the wind