00:19 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:45606 00:33 woop got the marker at the end of the ice queen quest 00:45 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Con Ith Fem Cha), 8580 points, T:8026, killed by a bugbear 00:45 fuck 02:02 -!- spicyCebolla has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:58 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 03:01 [hdf-us] [evil] Cronos (Inf Ith Fem Una) completed Sokoban, acquiring a gold amulet of reflection, on T:28795 04:31 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #evilhack 04:31 -!- elenmirie has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:31 -!- elenmirie_ is now known as elenmirie 05:15 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 05:18 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 05:18 "Block WDSM freezing on Plane of Water" 05:18 qt BOOOO 05:19 epic feature gone 05:48 -!- tinklebear has joined #evilhack 05:58 Izchak offering me 11 zorkmids for my unidentified lamp. Seems too much for an oil lamp and too little for a magic lamp. 05:58 material? 05:59 ah also a factor! it's silver now that you mention it. 05:59 so probably oil then. 06:03 copper material is value 10 (like iron), silver is 30, so ( (30[actual material]/10[canon material]) * 10[canon price] ) / 2[standard offer] would be 15 06:04 so you're getting the 3/4 nickel-and-dime treatment 06:04 also, I am a centaur 06:04 something two thirds something 06:05 lol, really? 06:05 the racial shopkeeper thing 06:05 I see 06:06 don't think the racial modifier applies to the sell price 06:06 wiki says it does, but the wiki could be lying 06:14 hmm. if racial modifier applied then price offered by Izchak (human) to a centaur would be either 2/3 or 2/3*3/4 of 15? Neither is 11 06:16 in my limited recent experience, buyback offers seem stable and unaffected by racial preference 06:16 yeah i think it only affects buy price 06:16 actually 06:16 i'm not sure 06:17 sometimes you definitely get the normal sell price even though they are charging weird buy prices because of race 06:17 but now that i think of it, i'm not sure if it's ALWAYS like that 06:17 it also seems to me that the whole racial preference thing has been toned down a little recently 06:18 -!- amateurhour has joined #evilhack 06:18 (and I *seem* to remember a time when buyback prices were definitely weirder) 06:18 yep. i think you're right 06:19 the other day i had a mindflayer shopkeeper offer me the 10x price for SELLING 06:19 i've only played the current version and have never noticed a modifier to the buyback pricers 06:19 which i don't think is intended 06:20 ^ K2 possible bug? 06:20 yeah. i meant to mention it to him 06:20 (after credit cloning) 06:20 but i died anyway before i could do it 06:21 why is there never a mindflayer shopkeeper around when you need one? 06:21 lol 06:21 heh 06:21 i love genociding them when they have a big paper store 06:23 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Neu), 16053 points, T:10453, quit 06:25 rebatela you can't genocide shopkeepers anymore unfortunately 06:25 oh really? 06:26 i've definitely done it in the past 06:28 yes, it used to be possible 06:29 fond memories of genociding mindflayers with their own geno scroll 06:39 I can't remember exactly why it was changed but there was a pretty good reason that aosdict and K2 talked about, think it was changed back in August 06:44 "You see here a lamp"... exciting! 06:45 As a giant, selling holy water to a gnomish shopkeeper, I am offered 50z, regardless of if my int is 14 or 18 06:46 "Aphrodite escapes upstairs!" urgh 06:49 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Ran Cen Fem Cha) killed Aphrodite, on T:8220 06:49 phew 06:52 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Neu), 2786 points, T:3152, zombified by a hobbit zombie, while helpless 06:52 zombiehack 06:55 oh that's probably it there was a way to exploit cha for buying/selling with racial prices 06:56 https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/ff8b0b221420d136b13568dca601fa9142505e12 06:56 and https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/631b185bd4cd8afb984a3bab5f9d3a6d2592a001 06:58 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Pri Gia Fem Neu) had an aklys entrusted to her by Odin, on T:31821 07:01 -!- qt has joined #evilhack 07:05 -!- krm26 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:17 shopkeepers all have generic races now, including mind flayer ("illithid") and you can't geno those 07:22 right 07:25 i thought it was kind of cool that geno affected racial monsters, i made sure to include that in the patch 07:25 all that hard work for naught 07:26 it's powerful to get access to someone's shop without fighting them, but you're wasting a genocide scroll to do it so idk if it was that unbalanced 07:26 well, the mind flayers were often actually selling the things ;-) 07:27 worth it for large scroll shops 07:27 just have mindflayer shopkeepers turn into alhoons easyfix 07:27 lol 07:28 i was thinking more of the change from 'gnome' to 'rock gnome' or whatever 07:29 to protect the gnomish shopkeepers 07:29 but you couldn't genocide shopkeepers before the patch so i begrudgingly accept it 07:31 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Pri Gia Fem Neu) had a pair of levitation boots entrusted to her by Odin, on T:32453 07:32 How do people have the patience to camp? Any tips? 07:33 bring gorp 07:33 what means "camp"? 07:34 hang around an altar, sacrificing until I get something I want / need 07:34 oh god. yeah, I don't know. 07:35 "it's own punishment", like they said about pudding farming 07:35 *its 07:36 i find it soothing 07:36 lol, qt 07:41 lol. exploded a gas spore and get 11 "you feel guilty"s from surrounding peacefuls. 07:44 and in my excitement to sacrifice the resulting corpses, forget that i'm a giant. The altar is now stained with giant blood :-( 07:45 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Neu) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:6228 07:46 tbf, if you sacrifice, like, an orc, the altar gets stained with orc blood. the game just doesn't bother mentioning it 07:47 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Neu), 9537 points, T:6264, killed by a dwarven watchman 07:47 actually orc blood washes right out 07:47 maybe the god does a quick miracle clean-up? 07:48 -!- krm26 has joined #evilhack 07:49 missed the 'hey stop picking that lock' warning (again) 08:07 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a crocodile, on T:3382 08:08 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Neu), 4396 points, T:3386, quit 08:12 hi 08:12 Hello K2, Welcome to #evilhack 08:18 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Pri Gia Fem Neu) had an ironshod staff entrusted to her by Odin, on T:33296 08:21 the other day i had a mindflayer shopkeeper offer me the 10x price for SELLING <--- not possible 08:21 10000% happened 08:21 i meant to tell you 08:21 assuming you're reffering to you selling something to an illithid shopkeeper 08:21 Easy enough to find it in the ttyrec surely? 08:21 but this is why i don't report bugs. you think i'm confused 08:21 now, buying from them yes they jack the prices way up for non-illithid 08:22 nope 08:22 um yes 08:22 i'm telling you it happened dude 08:22 ttyrec please 08:22 bug 08:22 rebatela: ttyrec! 08:22 it was several games ago 08:23 maybe in the dumplog i still have it annotated as SCROLL SHOP, but if i ended up killing him and looting the store I probably changed the annotation 08:23 i reviewed the code again before chiming in 08:23 otherwise i wouldn't know how to find it (and don't care. not my game0 08:23 yeah. it's never happened before 08:23 they charge 10x the base amount to non-illithids 08:23 so something you changed made it happened 08:23 no 08:23 not talking about charging 08:23 talking about selling 08:24 he offered me 1000 for a lvl 2 spellbook for example 08:24 i havent made any buying/selling changes since august 08:24 i was going to take advantage of it, but never got the chance 08:24 whar race were you 08:24 what 08:24 human 08:24 monk? 08:24 of course 08:27 welp. i stand corrected 08:27 i think i see why 08:27 https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/blob/master/src/shk.c#L2612 08:29 oops 08:29 epic 08:29 i shift all blame to aosdict, he did this 08:31 The programmer's progress from "that can't happen" to "that does happen" to "how the fuck did this ever work?" :-) 08:32 in my defense, rebatela you've made claims before that were way off mark while in a state of... not quite but almost sober :) 08:33 never 08:33 oh pit fiend eggs yes 08:33 ;) 08:33 but there have been other incidents like this where i'm right 08:33 even a broken clock is right twice a day 08:34 and pit viper/pit fiend. it's not that absurd 08:34 eggs are eggs 08:35 twice sounds right :) 08:35 dick ;) 08:35 https://dilbert.com/strip/1996-07-01 08:36 i should have called your home number "ERMAGAHD k2 !!! people are going to get too much money for their spellbooks!!! they might be able to buy protection and ascend the game!!! IT'S A BUG !!!! " 08:36 my number is 867-5309 08:36 jenny 08:39 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] https://git.io/JDgmo 08:39 [EvilHack] k21971 2e8c5c6 - Fix: non-illithid players selling spellbooks/scrolls to illithid shopkeepers for 10x the fair market price. 08:40 that rule was no longer necessary after the selling fixes back in august 08:40 lol@ the dilbert graznop 08:40 oopsies 08:41 hah 08:41 dilbert 08:41 if you've ever worked in test ;) 08:41 or been to grad school 08:42 (or any school, really, tbh) 08:44 mobileuser believed me 08:52 K2, do you know what's up with the fake news tombstones that are hiding the epidemic of suffocation-by-water-elemental ? 08:52 that death you're referring to was hallucination right? 08:53 I believe so, yes 08:53 *seem to remember it that way 08:56 * tinklebear checks 08:56 yes. 08:56 here's another one: https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/t/tinklebear/evilhack/dumplog/1607854338.evil.txt 08:56 i thought that was normal behavior if you died while hallucinating? 08:57 not in my experience 08:57 omg use html dumplog you heathen :P 08:57 https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/t/tinklebear/evilhack/dumplog/1607854338.evil.html 08:57 why? 08:57 look at it 08:57 its html dumplog 08:58 tinklebear: what about it is wrong? 08:58 html dumplogs look like garbage in my browser 08:58 aside from looking a bazillion times better, it also cures cancer 08:58 oh 08:58 suffocated by a gas spore 08:58 cool if true. but it's a lie 08:58 its so true 08:58 you dont even know 08:59 html dumplogs can also do your taxes 08:59 and walk your dog 08:59 lynx browser can do all that 08:59 lynx browser? 08:59 never heard of it 09:00 it's in the terminal 09:00 * tinklebear shakes head 09:00 oh a text browser 09:00 my website is lynx compatible 09:00 i put a badge on it that says so 09:00 1990 called, they want their software back 09:00 https://entrez.cc/ 09:00 * tinklebear sobs 09:01 we used to put a lot of effort into making sure websites worked efficiently with both lynx and mosaic 09:01 I thought large splint mail was the only type of giant armor? "peaceful giant infidel called Agant the Maleficus, wearing light armor" 09:02 uh oh 09:02 oh wait 09:02 Graznop, light armor can mean gloves or boots if i recall 09:02 "light" in this context just means "not a lot of armor" 09:02 ok, kind of makes sense 09:02 i wanted it to say "lightly armored" but it needed to have a consistent format of "wearing %s" 09:04 k2 i think this would fix tinklebear's issue https://termbin.com/a9wv 09:05 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Pri Gia Fem Neu) had Trollsbane bestowed upon her by Odin, on T:33835 09:06 or just 'an(mon->data 09:06 ->mname)' 09:06 idk 09:07 that would hide racial information but i don't think there are racial engulfers (for now....) 09:07 I just opened that in lynx 2.9.0dev.5 on my wizmode box 09:07 k2 uses numpad too 09:09 this is crpa, it doesnt show pics? 09:09 crap even 09:09 how am I supposed to surf reddit memes with lynx? 09:09 you can *gasp* use an image viewer to view images, K2 09:10 on a headless ubuntu server? :P 09:11 this has no fap value 09:11 just imagine it in your mind 09:11 eww 09:11 all kidding aside, this is cool 09:15 :D 09:15 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] https://git.io/JDgZZ 09:15 [EvilHack] k21971 baeec5d - Fix: incorrect monster display on gravestone when killed via suffocation while engulfed and hallucinating. 09:16 ^ thanks qt 09:16 did you test it? I didn't actually try to get engulfed and check if it works, that was totally shooting from the hip 09:16 of course not 09:17 ship it/YOLO 09:17 lol, well, fingers crossed 09:17 * K2 goes to test 09:17 its not live yet 09:19 * cbus runs build_evilhack.sh 09:19 it works 09:19 \o/ 09:19 i still need to build the game on my computer. maybe i'll try today 09:20 i get jealous when one of y'all wizmode tests something 09:20 it's pretty straightforward to build 09:21 yeah i'm running mint and someone (graznop?) gave me their notes from doing it on ubuntu. hopefully i still have it somehwere 09:21 yeah, I just had to modify a makefile 09:21 (since I do not want to install it) 09:21 you shouldn't even have to modify a makefile, you can just add WANT_SOURCE_INSTALL=1 to the hints file 09:21 other than that, piece of cake 09:21 that's what I do 09:21 it builds it inside the repo directory 09:22 ah I added +PREFIX = ${HOME}/.local to sys/unix/Makefile.top 09:22 i just add that line to the hints file? 09:22 yeah rebatela, if you want it to be built alongside the source files. then run the hints file and make all 09:23 ok 09:23 i guess i have to download the latest version 09:23 link for that? please? 09:23 qt, thanks, will give i a shot :) 09:23 maybe i'll just play locally from now on an give y'all a break 09:24 no don't say that 09:24 local play if for chumps! dev/test only 09:24 i'll still comment on my game, but no one will be able to watch or verify 09:24 rebatela: it's https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack 09:24 thank you! 09:25 These were my notes for Mint: https://termbin.com/keka 09:25 oh that's right you are a mint guy too 09:25 thanks 09:26 qt, so just add that line to sys/unix/hints/unix and remake? 09:27 i don't know what sys/unix/hints/unix is like, it looks really bare-bones. maybe try the linux hints file instead? 09:27 but yes you add the line to the hints file, then run ./sys/unix/setup.sh && make all 09:27 at least that is what works for me 09:28 it should build it in ./playground/evilhack and the various data/save files should be in ./playground too 09:28 oh like that 09:28 i'll try vanilla first i guess 09:28 yeah it builds it alongside the code, if you want it in ~/.local you probably need to do some other modifications 09:29 I preferably just want to run it from source dir :) 09:30 well, it will be in the directory with the repo, just in playground/ 09:31 hmm actually 09:31 maybe this wouldn't work 09:31 graznop: in your notes when i get to make fetch-lua i get no rule to make target is that next line part of it? 09:31 i only see the ifdef WANT_SOURCE_INSTALL in the macos hints files 09:31 so actually disregard everything i said 09:31 lol 09:31 sorry 09:33 rebatela: possibly. maybe I have it in the wrong order - let me know if it is 09:34 anything worth doing is worth doing with ansible 09:34 this is what is included in the WANT_SOURCE_INSTALL thing for macos https://termbin.com/t3a4 09:35 so something similar should work on linux, idk why WANT_SOURCE_INSTALL is an osx exclusive 09:35 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Pri Gia Fem Neu) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Odin, on T:34451 09:38 ok, now I think the only three gifts left are Magicbane, Ogresmasher and Dragonbane - guess Ogresmasher is next? 09:39 sod's law predicts it 09:39 heh -- the only important thing is that Dragonbane is last, after another 20k turns of sacrificing :--) 09:41 oh you are a priest 09:41 Graznop I don't think you can get Ogresmasher as priest 09:42 hope not 09:42 but why? 09:42 oh you got trollsbane 09:43 what is trollsbane 09:43 you only need lua for installing nethack 3.7 09:43 or variants based off of it (splicehack, xnethack) 09:43 Graznop Priest can only use blunt weapons 09:43 Ogresmasher is a hammer? 09:43 trollsbane is a morning star 09:43 it counts as bash 09:44 Graznop, ogresmasher is a heavy war hammer 09:44 Ah damn 09:44 hammer is allowed :-) 09:44 bound to be next then! 09:44 yup 09:45 in my current game, a balrog with angelslayer about whupped my butt (votd, no health regen) 09:45 if i hadnt had half phys damage (gjallar) i would've died hah 09:45 the no health regen is something to be careful of, I keep going back to the castle 09:46 yup 09:46 that hellfire damage is no joke 09:48 so you'll like this one... 09:49 (current game) I clear the ice queen realm, no wand of opening, no potions of acid, so no way to get any of the good loot. make my way to the castle, clear it, wand of wishing is in a crystal chest. still no wand of opening :) 09:50 so i go to the votd, clear it, and fight Charon because he has a wand of opening. i'm wearing gray dragon scale mail, he hit me enough times and cncelled himself, by the time I defeated him, his wand of opening is (0:-1) 09:50 ^ got cancelled 09:51 K2 you have the bell of opening 09:51 isn't there another wand of opening in a chest in VotD? 09:51 solution? use my only magic lamp for a wish for 2 blessed scrolls of charging. got both scrolls, used one for the wand of opening, saving 2nd for WoW (which was 0:3 yay) 09:51 Graznop i didnt find it 09:52 it may have been in the safe (i dont have a stethoscope) 09:52 bless bell of opening, open crystal chest for WoW? 09:53 K2? :-) 09:53 K2 - you are right - it's in the safe 09:53 mobileuser yeah i could have done that 09:53 i always forget about the bell of opening 09:54 but that's ok, i needed scrolls of charging anyways 09:54 lol, gray dsm is such bad news 09:55 its saved my ass a bunch of times already 09:55 cancelled zombies become vanilla zombies 09:55 heh, I have had cancelled bell of opening when fighting the quest nemesis a number of times 09:55 ruin *all* the fun 09:56 so right now i'm in the temple at the end of the ice queen's realm (converted the altar and killed the priest of moloch) about to use my WoW 09:57 don't accidentally piss kathryn off 09:58 she's awfully sensitive and it goes bad real frickin quick 09:58 tell me about it 09:58 hah 09:58 its why i'm in the temple heh 09:59 ozzy and bourbon are roaming about outside killing stray zombies 10:00 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Sam Gia Fem Law) completed Sokoban, acquiring a helm of speed, on T:21278 10:02 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Pri Gia Fem Neu) had Dragonbane bestowed upon her by Odin, on T:34932 10:03 excellent :) 10:03 \o/ 10:04 ah, 188, the universal symbol for a wand of NOTHING 10:04 is there a spell which causes you to lose intrinsic warning? 10:04 gremlin 10:04 the "fall asleep next to a gremlin" spell 10:05 hmm. didn't see one. but maybe not paying enough attention 10:07 intrinsic warning is a pita to lose 10:08 probably too obvious: level drain below the level that granted the intrinsic 10:08 not a bad idea to add a msgtype alert/stop for 'chuckle' 10:08 gremlins chuckle when they steal an intrinsic 10:09 they also chuckle if you chat to them, though 10:09 who chats a gremlin? 10:09 heh 10:09 tinklebear does! 10:10 * tinklebear thought everyone chatted to the gremlins 10:10 qt probably does 10:11 I look at that pethack.png thing every day, where qt pets the chickatrice 10:11 "The chickatrice seems to enjoy it immensely! You turn to stone." 10:12 i don't fetish-shame 10:16 heh, for some reason I am not getting evilhack to run locally again :P 10:18 did you violate your evil alignment conduct in some way? 10:19 possibly 10:25 [hdf-us] [evil] ligang (Val Hum Fem Neu), 509371 points, T:65541, poisoned by a locust 10:32 [hdf-us] [evil] ligang (Rog Hum Mal Cha) had a two-handed sword entrusted to him by Kos, on T:336 10:35 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Pri Gia Fem Neu) made her first artifact wish - "blessed fixed The Eye of the Aethiopica", on T:35162 10:35 muahahahaha 10:40 :P 10:43 giants can be so frustrating -- have "mr/rfl but no other sources, so it is refl and a ring of poly control :-/ 10:44 krm26: i've not bothered with the ring of poly control recently - it's not as if you've any body armor or cloaks to rip 10:45 Yeah, it isn't as critical, but it is nice to be able to pick if you have a finger available 10:46 I wish polycontrol overrode mr, if you have both you should still get a poly choice 10:47 i wish my altar level would generate a goddamn monster to sacrifice 10:47 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Sam Gia Fem Law) had Snickersnee bestowed upon her by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:23307 10:48 k2, how do compile evilhack to run from the sourcedir in linux? :P 10:48 tried a few things but last attempt it didnt even start 10:48 you mean how do you have make install place it somewhere else? 10:49 well that is what I did last, change PREFIX to ~/.local, make -j9 && make install, then it complained about a dir/file not existing, so I created it and then nothing happens when launching 10:49 you change the HACKDIR in the linux-debug hints file 10:49 dont use -j anything 10:49 that is a weird place to locate your source 10:50 [hdf-us] [evil] ligang (Rog Hum Mal Cha) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:1996 10:50 well I did put the HACKDIR in ~/.local/ 10:50 uuuugh brb 10:51 you use PREFIX to place the source, from the source once you've grabbed it you do a make all, then make install will place the executable where the HACKDIR says 10:52 PREFIX is wherever you like to store projects on your device (in your home directory if you want, but why in a .local? that is goofy) 10:52 [hdf-us] [evil] ligang (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 1251 points, T:2154, killed by an air elemental of Mog 10:52 and HACKDIR is where you like your binaries 10:52 ~/.local/ is where a lot of stuff are placed 10:52 HACKDIR is set using PREFIX in the linux hints 10:52 PREFIX=$(HOME)/.local 10:52 HACKDIR=$(PREFIX)/games/lib/$(GAME)dir 10:53 I know pip is in love with .local but that doesn't make it normal or right :-) 10:53 :D 10:53 well, you don't have to include prefix in hackdir if you don't want to 10:53 I certainly don't 10:53 things like lftp, lollypop, steam, nvim, vlc places stuff in ~/.local/share 10:54 yeah, it is a convention for user-specific installs on shared machines, but who here is working on a real shared machines? 10:56 if you're installing nethack to be used by any user on your machine you want to put it in a normal place 10:56 only for my user and only for messing around with wizmode any way :) 10:57 well if you like that style you probably want hackdir to be ~/.local/bin/$(GAME) 10:58 basically all lib direcotries are for shared libraries and resources which an executable is not 10:58 but really either of those directories can be anywhere 10:59 it doesn't effect the build or install process 10:59 anyway, when trying to run evilhack it just exits out without a message 10:59 after a make install success? 10:59 yeah 10:59 I had to create a var/record file though 10:59 and disable LIVELOG 11:00 in sysconf 11:00 so when you first ran it there were errors, and you fixed them and now it exits silently? 11:00