00:01 bouquet, tinklebear you two here? 00:01 yes. You need me to log out? 00:01 maybe. i need tinklebear to do same 00:02 got a patch to do and no one should be playing when i patch 00:02 okay. done, L3 00:02 I'm out 00:02 and patched, thanks 00:02 can resume 00:02 whee! 00:19 my experience so far has been that there is no way to get a pet to eat eucalyptus leaves to cure sickness. 00:19 not horses, not cats 00:20 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Val Dwa Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming an enormous rat, on T:21831 00:20 is this intentional? 00:20 they will 00:20 or, at least are supposed to 00:20 okay, I'll keep on trying... 00:24 if it's on the ground and they are ill, they should eat it 00:26 if I am riding them, is on-the-ground still a sufficient condition? 00:28 it should be 00:29 cool. good to know. I'll check it out next time I'm in position to check it out. 00:30 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:22733 00:48 [hdf-us] [evil] ligang (Val Hum Fem Neu) had a long sword entrusted to her by Odin, on T:5878 00:49 https://0x0.st/-Fe_.mp4 00:50 krm26: i was messing around with your idea to see what would be involved, pretty fun idea and not that tough to get to the place in the video... 00:50 i think one of the hard parts will be identifying which monsters deserve vengeance... e.g. is it any king or lord killed in a throne room, even if they have just wandered in from elsewhere? 00:51 maybe there is some way you could mark monsters generated on the throne? if that's not done already somewhere... 00:51 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Val Dwa Fem Law) had a dwarvish bearded axe entrusted to her by Tyr, on T:25086 00:57 "You hear a mordor orc muttering Good Riddance about their slain captain" 01:02 [hdf-us] [evil] ligang (Val Hum Fem Neu) chose an elven broadsword to be named "Orcrist", on T:7211 01:16 -!- elenmirie has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:17 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 01:47 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:24 -!- spicyCebolla has joined #evilhack 03:29 I will try here too even though I ask about vanilla, tourist quest with 113 hp and ac:-10, no go? :P (MR+reflection) but I am playing vanilla 03:36 well found levi so the question is not interesting any longer will do castle and medusa 04:45 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Elf Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, acquiring a bag of holding, on T:8997 05:04 [hdf-us] [evil] ligang (Val Hum Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:11578 05:08 [hdf-us] [evil] ligang (Val Hum Fem Neu) destroyed the invisible qt's ghost, the former Hatamoto, on T:12070 05:47 [hdf-us] [evil] ligang (Val Hum Fem Neu) had a dusty cloak entrusted to her by Odin, on T:13870 06:01 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 8981 points, T:4715, killed by a white unicorn 06:02 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #evilhack 06:03 -!- elenmirie has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:03 -!- elenmirie_ is now known as elenmirie 06:52 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 2825 points, T:3220, killed by a dwarf lady 06:58 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 07:52 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Kni Elf Fem Cha) had a copper elven spear entrusted to her by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:11024 08:14 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, acquiring a gold amulet of reflection, on T:7161 08:14 ugh 08:14 also no gold in the zoo at all? 08:14 Someone has it 08:15 yeah i found it 08:15 qt: well, now I can stop working on it and let you take over! 08:15 i'm just gonna give the amulet ot a leprachaun now and zap myself with a wand of death 08:15 F this game 08:16 qt: I was going to implement it as a % chance when any royal is killed. It is pretty easy to do it just for throne rooms also because of how throne rooms are generated 08:17 qt: That might be better. Alternately, the really serious effect could come from throne kills with a less serious "investigation" from a random royal, or with differing chances of triggering 08:17 qt: I put in triggers for gnome royal & dwarf royal (same pursuit), elf royal, and...asmo 08:18 qt: i know ogre royals exist but man, who likes ogres? 08:32 -!- krm26 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:55 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Pri Gia Fem Neu) had Demonbane bestowed upon her by Camaxtli, on T:18847 09:07 -!- amateurhour has joined #evilhack 09:19 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Pri Gia Fem Neu) had a copper heavy mace entrusted to her by Camaxtli, on T:19307 09:23 -!- elenmirie has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:23 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 09:25 -!- qt has joined #evilhack 09:31 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Elf Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:13331 09:43 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a master mind flayer, on T:17395 09:56 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:18630 10:00 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed eye of the aethiopica", on T:18997 10:07 [hdf-us] [evil] ligang (Val Hum Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, acquiring a gold amulet of reflection, on T:22342 10:13 i rolled the dice and got lucky with that fountain wish (no neferet) 10:23 nice! 10:24 yep. hopefully i can get dragonbane at some point from an altar 10:24 i have amulet of reflection, but wearing the eye for mr 10:25 i guess when i do quest i will have other eyes and can wear it but the one i have is gold anyway and i want to be able to fly etc. so dragonbane is the solution 10:25 although now with eota i guess casting it is also an option 10:32 casting it? 10:33 morning 10:34 good afternoon! 10:35 oh cast reflection you mean rebatela 10:35 eyah 10:35 yeah 10:35 hi k2 10:36 it's not usually very practical, but with the eye you can cast it a bunch and stack it 10:36 with my centaur priest it was so nice I could cast speed 10:36 no boots... 10:36 (like ppl do with haste) 10:36 exactly :) 10:36 lol 10:36 you can wear water walking or jumping as a non-centaur and do it too 10:36 or if you have nice dragonhide boots or whatever 10:49 !tell krm26 nice try, this is your responsibility. i dont have the vision for it anyway :) 10:49 Will do, qt! 10:50 [hdf-us] [evil] ligang (Val Hum Fem Neu) had a pair of hiking boots entrusted to her by Odin, on T:23419 10:52 [hdf-us] [evil] ligang (Val Hum Fem Neu) had a scimitar entrusted to her by Odin, on T:23639 10:55 [hdf-us] [evil] ligang (Val Hum Fem Neu) had Cleaver bestowed upon her by Odin, on T:24285 10:56 -!- Chris__ANG has joined #evilhack 10:56 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:09 -!- rebatela has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:11 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Pri Gia Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, acquiring an amulet of reflection, on T:24559 11:18 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Val Cen Fem Neu) had a trident entrusted to her by Odin, on T:29759 11:20 ok, still with the sucky gifts 11:20 next time, next time... 11:22 !tell krm26 this is what I ended up with though, in case some part of it is useful. i was mostly playing around with how to use/include details some details about the dead guy: https://gist.github.com/entrez/ac1c9c2c772470a8842aef5f517ba33f 11:22 Will do, qt! 11:26 YASI: on xmas day, the god's gift you socks 11:27 which are artifact boots that have no extra effect, just makes artifact gifting slightly rarer >:^) 11:28 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 11:30 -!- krm26 has joined #evilhack 11:30 hi 11:30 Hello krm26, Welcome to #evilhack 11:30 krm26: Message from qt at 2021-12-11 10:49 EST: nice try, this is your responsibility. i dont have the vision for it anyway :) 11:30 krm26: Message from qt at 2021-12-11 11:22 EST: this is what I ended up with though, in case some part of it is useful. i was mostly playing around with how to use/include details some details about the dead guy: https://gist.github.com/entrez/ac1c9c2c772470a8842aef5f517ba33f 11:31 -!- tinklebear has quit [Quit: are socks containers, or are they boots] 11:31 K2, qt: is there some other code-focused hardfought channel? Or is it ok to sometimes talk code here? 11:32 i certainly hope it's ok to talk code here considering how often we all do it :) 11:32 there is #nethack-dev but it's usually mostly vanilla stuff 11:33 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Val Dwa Fem Law), 95901 points, T:29902, killed by a white dragon 11:33 uuuugh 11:34 !lastgame k2 11:34 VaderFLAG: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/k/k2/evilhack/dumplog/1634461160.evil.html :: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/k/k2/evilhack/dumplog/1577469384.evil.html :: [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/k/k2/evilhack/dumplog/1576941662.evil.html 11:34 [hdf-us] [evil] ligang (Val Hum Fem Neu) had a scimitar entrusted to her by Odin, on T:27236 11:34 krm26 here is fine, esp if its about evilhack 11:34 ##nethack-variants qt, krm26 11:34 The white dragon emits a satisfied belch. 11:34 everything is about evilhack 11:35 ##nethack-variants seems like it's typically dnethack talk but I'm sure you could talk evilhack code there too 11:35 hah qt, your code looks just like mine except i hadn't looked for a place to start the timer yet, which you nicely served up to me in mon.c, thx 11:36 are you racing to add some cool feature to evilhack or something? 11:37 wtf... there's amateurhour 11:37 when did you sneak in? 11:37 :P 11:37 amateurhour: krm26 is working on something, I just got interested in it and messed around with it at bit last night 11:37 K2: you missed amateurhour's welcome back party? shame on you 11:37 he basically redid what I spent three hours fiddling with in7 minutes 11:38 gonna take a looong time to figure out this codebase 11:38 krm26 welcome to qt's code writing prowess 11:38 lol it wasn't that fast, but familiarity with the codebase definitely speeds things up a lot 11:39 i'll spend hours or days on something, he looks at it and goes 'oh' and 10 min later perfection 11:40 and then five minutes later "followup/update to last commit" 11:40 lol 11:40 "just one more glob change... one more, please..." 11:40 qt for vanilla devteam when? 11:41 you know that story of how persian rug makers deliberately include a small flaw because only god is perfect 11:41 that's the real reason for the constant "followup/update to last commit" my stuff requires 11:41 now you know 11:42 [hdf-us] [evil] ligang (Val Hum Fem Neu) had a pair of cloth water walking boots entrusted to her by Odin, on T:29439 11:48 [hdf-us] [evil] ligang (Val Hum Fem Neu) had a pair of low boots entrusted to her by Odin, on T:29705 11:52 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Kni Elf Fem Cha) had a mithril elven long sword entrusted to her by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:13162 11:56 maybe it's better than xnh, where the followup bug fix is months later and very hard to find 12:12 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Kni Elf Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, acquiring an amulet of magic resistance, on T:14841 12:26 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Kni Elf Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:15853 12:34 qt: it looks like there is no permanent context thing for "killed the wizard" -- was trying to find a simple way to cease posse creation once the wizard had been killed the first time. any low effort suggestions? 12:35 obv want to avoid changing context structures 12:36 made_amulet is easy but I think too late in the game 12:37 you could look at mvitals[PM_WIZARD_OF_YENDOR].died 12:37 and check if it's non-zero 12:37 mvitals, thx, didn't know that existed 12:38 awesome 12:39 how performance-oriented is this supposed to be? if I have a list of 5 or 6 things can I traverse it each time a monster is killed, or should I use a dictionary? 12:44 if it's only 5 things maybe it would be simpler to just put it all in 'if (x || y || z)'? but i also doubt traversing a list of 5 items would be the biggest task performed each time a monster is killed 12:44 it's not like evilhack is controlling a GPS satellite or something 12:44 just want to make sure I don't need like a hyper-efficient trie implementation or anything 12:46 i don't think anything like that is necessary 12:47 i note in your implementation you generate them at the stairs as opposed to at the player location 12:47 recent performance improvement this reminds me of is that I created a PR which iterated through the entire list of monsters every time the() was called, and PatR changed it to iterate through a smaller list of only 30 or so monsters 12:47 so some small things like that might make sense but nothing crazy 12:48 i kind of want the posse to be generated "just out of sight" of the player 12:48 but that is a hard problem 12:51 maybe will expand enexto with enearto, will look at 12:51 maybe you could add a flag for enexto that rejects spots where cansee(x,y) is true 12:51 sounds like we are thinking along similar lines :) 12:53 it would be funny if this generated keystone kops doing a murder investigation 12:53 -!- spicyCebolla has quit [Quit: spicyCebolla] 12:53 -!- spicyCebolla has joined #evilhack 12:54 well, maybe not that funny 12:54 it was funny to think about for a second or two though 12:55 lol 12:56 what is the cool idea you're working on? 12:58 amateurhour: when you kill the monster sitting on the throne in a throne room, it generates a posse some time later who come to avenge their king/lord/whatever 13:00 https://0x0.st/-FL4.mp4 13:01 sweet 13:01 this is the thing I did, so not representative of the finished product, just the general idea 13:01 isn't the posse the rest of the throne room? 13:02 nah that's just the guests of the slumber party the royal is hosting 13:02 those are the courtiers, they just suck up to the king and wear wigs i think 13:02 amateurhour: actually that makes a lot more sense 13:02 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Pri Gia Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:27574 13:02 not sure why they all sleep on the floor but I don't hold the customs of the dungeon myself 13:03 so who am I to judge 13:03 yeah they can be pretty tough for wig wearing courtiers 13:05 they're the praesnoreian guard 13:07 groan 13:07 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Kni Elf Fem Cha) destroyed the invisible qt's ghost, the former Ninja, on T:16413 13:09 Oh that's why snickernsee and some boots were just sitting randomly on the floor 13:09 got dropped in a qt polymorph 13:30 @?!what is the monster report thingy here 13:30 No such monster. 13:30 Oooh close 13:30 @?!gelatinous cube 13:30 !gelatinous cube ~1~ gelatinous cube (b) | Lvl: 6 | Diff: 8 | Spd: 6 | Res: fire cold sleep shock poison acid petrification | Confers: fire cold sleep shock | MR: 0 | Generates: gehennom dungeons | AC: 8 | Attacks: 2d4 touch paralyze, 1d4 passive paralyze | Alignment: 0 | Flags: genocidable, omnivore, mindless, vegan 13:30 @?!quivering blob 13:30 !quivering blob ~1~ quivering blob (b) | Lvl: 5 | Diff: 6 | Spd: 1 | Res: sleep poison | Confers: poison | MR: 0 | Generates: gehennom dungeons | AC: 8 | Attacks: 1d8 touch physical | Alignment: 0 | Flags: genocidable, mindless, vegan 13:33 @?!gnoll cleric 13:33 No such monster. 13:33 need an e in there somewhere for evilhack 13:33 like @e?alhoon 13:34 @e?alhoon 13:34 alhoon (h) | Lvl: 26 | Diff: 30 | Spd: 9 | Res: fire cold sleep shock poison drain | Confers: fire cold | MR: 90 | Generates: gehennom | AC: -6 | Attacks: 1d10 weapon physical, 5d6 touch cold, 2d1 tentacle drain int, 2d1 tentacle drain int, 0d0 cast spell | Alignment: -15 | Flags: genocidable, flies, breathless, regenerates, seeinvis, poisonous, covetous, infravisible 13:34 @e?gnoll cleric 13:34 gnoll cleric (h) | Lvl: 8 | Diff: 10 | Spd: 9 | Res: poison | Confers: nothing | MR: 30 | Generates: gehennom dungeons | AC: 6 | Attacks: 1d4 bite physical, 0d0 cast clerical | Alignment: -10 | Flags: genocidable, omnivore, infravisible 13:34 ahhhhhhh thx much 13:43 @e?displacer beast 13:43 displacer beast (f) | Lvl: 12 | Diff: 14 | Spd: 12 | Res: none | Confers: nothing | MR: 0 | Generates: gehennom dungeons | AC: -10 | Attacks: 4d4 claw physical, 4d4 claw physical, 2d10 bite physical | Alignment: -3 | Flags: genocidable, carnivore, infravisible 13:44 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:44 @e?gray elf 13:44 gray elf ~2~ Grey-elf (@) | Lvl: 6 | Diff: 8 | Spd: 12 | Res: sleep | Confers: sleep | MR: 10 | Generates: gehennom dungeons | AC: 10 | Attacks: 2d4 weapon physical | Alignment: -7 | Flags: genocidable, omnivore, seeinvis, infravisible 13:44 apologize for all this spam 13:45 soooo many windows open 13:45 Not much else going on in here right now 13:45 @e?woodland elf 13:45 woodland elf ~1~ Woodland-elf (@) | Lvl: 4 | Diff: 6 | Spd: 12 | Res: sleep | Confers: sleep | MR: 10 | Generates: gehennom dungeons | AC: 10 | Attacks: 2d4 weapon physical | Alignment: -5 | Flags: genocidable, omnivore, seeinvis, infravisible 13:45 @e?green elf 13:45 green elf ~1~ Green-elf (@) | Lvl: 5 | Diff: 7 | Spd: 12 | Res: sleep | Confers: sleep | MR: 10 | Generates: gehennom dungeons | AC: 10 | Attacks: 2d4 weapon physical | Alignment: -6 | Flags: genocidable, omnivore, seeinvis, infravisible 13:47 @e?lynx 13:47 lynx (f) | Lvl: 5 | Diff: 7 | Spd: 15 | Res: none | Confers: nothing | MR: 0 | Generates: gehennom dungeons | AC: 6 | Attacks: 1d4 claw physical, 1d4 claw physical, 1d10 bite physical | Alignment: 0 | Flags: genocidable, carnivore, infravisible 13:47 @e?panther 13:47 panther (f) | Lvl: 5 | Diff: 7 | Spd: 15 | Res: none | Confers: nothing | MR: 0 | Generates: gehennom dungeons | AC: 6 | Attacks: 1d6 claw physical, 1d6 claw physical, 1d10 bite physical | Alignment: 0 | Flags: genocidable, carnivore, infravisible 13:48 what is the point of both lynx + panther, there should be some difficulty difference 14:04 -!- Chris__ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 14:07 !who 14:07 bouquet: [hdf-us] bouquet [evil] VaderFLAG [evil] :: [hdf-eu] mobileuser [evil] :: [hdf-au] No current players 14:07 VaderFLAG: did your game just freeze, too? 14:07 no 14:07 All is normal 14:07 -!- Chris__ANG has joined #evilhack 14:08 must be aliens 14:12 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Kni Elf Fem Cha) destroyed NetSysFire's ghost, the former Jail-bird, on T:20836 14:13 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Kni Elf Fem Cha) killed Aphrodite, on T:20868 14:19 "The sewage crackles and freezes under your rear hooves." \o/ 14:19 I was wondering if it would 14:19 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a wererat, on T:18734 14:23 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #evilhack 14:23 -!- Chris__ANG has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:25 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) killed the Rat King, on T:19173 14:28 qt: do you know of an easy way to get the mkroom structure for a given coordinate pair? 14:29 nevermind, think I found something 14:29 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:20338 14:29 found levl structure and can use getroomtype 14:35 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Val Cen Fem Neu) killed Baphomet, on T:30206 14:36 Gotta love centaur jousting 14:36 seems like you killed him just yesterday 14:36 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Kni Elf Fem Cha) had Luck Blade bestowed upon her by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:21981 14:45 @e?warg 14:45 warg (d) | Lvl: 7 | Diff: 8 | Spd: 12 | Res: none | Confers: nothing | MR: 0 | Generates: gehennom dungeons | AC: 4 | Attacks: 2d6 bite physical | Alignment: -5 | Flags: genocidable, carnivore, infravisible 14:45 @e?wolf 14:45 wolf (d) | Lvl: 5 | Diff: 6 | Spd: 12 | Res: none | Confers: nothing | MR: 0 | Generates: gehennom dungeons | AC: 4 | Attacks: 2d4 bite physical | Alignment: 0 | Flags: genocidable, carnivore, infravisible 14:46 Attacks: 4d8 sting decay, 4d7 butt slow, 2d7 sting level drain, 5d7 touch constitution poison│ased 14:46 sounds like fun 14:47 i think i'll go back upstairs 14:47 -15ac and all 14:48 maybe i will magic missile it 14:48 and then run away and come bakc 14:48 i don't even have a blinding device yet. this sucks 14:49 killed it! ;) 14:50 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:57 oh god another one 15:11 omigod it built 15:15 it's alive!! 15:17 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu), 2524 points, T:3181, zombified by a human zombie, while frozen by a potion 15:19 krm26: i remember when i was talking about building it locally you said "what's the problem? just gcc -o bla bla ? you're running linux? should be easypeasy" 15:19 6 months later... 15:19 but congrats! 15:21 @e?Mephistopheles 15:21 Mephistopheles ~2~ Mephistopheles (&) | Lvl: 80 | Diff: 42 | Spd: 12 | Res: fire cold poison drain | Confers: nothing | MR: 90 | Generates: unique | AC: -6 | Attacks: 4d6 weapon physical, 3d4 claw disenchant, 3d4 cast fire, 3d4 cast spell, 0d6 passive fire | Alignment: 15 | Flags: flies, seeinvis, poisonous, nopoly, stalker, covetous, infravisible 15:21 rebatela: I mean it built with my changes 15:21 oh sweet 15:22 so you ARE making a variant 15:22 I pulled the code and compiled it last night, it was indeed simple 15:22 no, i'm testing a patch for K2 to reject 15:22 for the 1/9 of your ideas k2 doesn't implement 15:22 definitely not making a variant 15:23 it creates a time-delayed posse to get you after you commit regicide 15:23 you should really make one though... i'm not saying it sarcastically. you have some great ideas 15:23 i just don't want to see evilhack turn into slex 15:23 I agree, parsimony is better than the kitchen sink 15:23 this patch introduces a small amount of new behavior, no new monsters or items 15:24 amateurhour is back! WHAT'S UP DUDE 15:24 so sometimes after you kill a gnome king on his throne a hunstman with a hunting beast and some footsoldiers and caster support show up for revenge 15:24 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #evilhack 15:24 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Val Cen Fem Neu) killed the invisible Mephistopheles, on T:30451 15:24 fuck... i can only speak for myself but i didn't like not seeing your name up there. hope all is well man 15:24 rebatela no worries there 15:25 that Mephistopheles hellfire attack is nasty 15:25 k2: hehe i know i'm j/k 15:25 HP were dwindling 15:25 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu), 172 points, T:902, killed by a falling rock 15:28 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Val Dwa Fem Law), 552 points, T:1276, killed by a jackal, while fainted from lack of food 15:30 oh sweet wand of death off a monster (and i wasn't wearing reflection) 15:30 does mr protect against it too? i guess it does 15:30 i didn't get hit with it, but it's not like instadeath right? just drains you? 15:31 K2 my current map confuses me 15:31 dont look at it crosseyed 15:31 It's the concentric circles one with drawbridges to and bottom 15:31 * top 15:32 the right side walls are lava 15:32 so you don't need a drawbridge to enter 15:32 has it always been that way? 15:32 I got that once I think 15:32 Unusual 15:32 being very fast is SO huge. 15:33 this is a demon lord lair 15:33 people take it for granted 15:33 it's the best advantage in the game. period 15:34 K2 yes, I've never seen it like that before, but VaderFLAG has so I suppose it can sometimes happen 15:43 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Kni Elf Fem Cha) killed the Oracle, on T:25262 15:43 Farewell, pet alhoon. Your sacrifice will not be forgotten 15:46 The Oracle is Mighty 15:46 Oracle took on an alhoon, a titan, and a sabre tooth tiger and outlived 2 of them 15:46 the missiles filled the air that day, the legends say 15:47 haha 15:47 :) 15:47 k2: is there some more-widely-utilized temporary debugging output thing you use than You_hear("ohmigod you shouldn't have gotten to here")? 15:48 Sometimes I drop woolly mammoths from the ice queen around her 15:48 no not really 15:48 to debug a thing i' 15:49 i'll sometimes add a pline so I know triggered 15:49 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Kni Elf Fem Cha) used a helm to turn lawful, on T:25485 15:49 hmm 15:49 The rare non-cursed opposite alignment helm! 15:50 ouch 15:50 now you can dip for excal I suppose? 15:51 I loaded the quest so I assume Arthur has it already 15:51 ah! 15:51 mannnn, You_hear doesn't take varargs? 15:52 its just a type of pline 16:02 so many people have looked at that code and gone WTF 16:02 it's fun to watch over the years 16:02 welcome to the party krm26 16:03 that sort of c is the only language i sorta know and even my dumb ass knows it's ridiculous 16:04 i was a compsci major right when java came out, so they used to teach all the intro classes in standard c and then it changed to java/OOP and i failed out. So the one thing i got out of it is i understand the nethack source and how horrible it is 16:06 (i didn't fail out because of the java classes lol... I failed out because of drugs and girls and booze etc.) 16:06 rebatela: As legacy code that has been supported for decades go, this code looks pretty damn good 16:06 that's just when my formal education ended 16:06 krm26: oh i love it! 16:06 no no Java made you fail :b 16:06 like i said, that's my shit 16:06 That doesn't mean it isn't utterly incomprehensible at first glance, but that I can write stuff that works in under 4 hours of total effort speaks volumes 16:07 i was writing c in 1988 when i was 9 16:07 and playing hack 16:07 Of course I spent over a decade in a purely functional world before OO reared its head...functional and OO code are both fine to me 16:08 The nethack code *is* a bit...parsimonious...with its comments 16:08 yeah... see my brain at the time wasn't able to grasp the objects and all that 16:08 but that was my own fault 16:08 cd .. 16:08 heh, sorry, doing a make install 16:09 reading the nethack source feels like reading a book written many years ago. you kind of understand what is happening 16:10 I loved reading "Concepts, Techniques, and Models of Computer Programming" by Peter Van Roy, taught me a lot about different paradigms 16:15 i'm gonna check it out mobileuser thanks 16:15 i'd love to get into programming again 16:15 k2, qt: thanks for you help, everything seems to work -- after i make gingerbread houses with daughter and her girlfriends i'll test it more and tweak the balance a bit 16:15 I want to get back to programming, too 16:15 nabru: hell yeah! let's do it! 16:15 :D 16:16 :) 16:17 rebatela that book is rather fringe because it uses an obscure language with Prolog-type variables to illustrate the concepts, but I loved it myself 16:18 I think Rust is the hip and cool thing now :-) 16:18 just gotta read your knuth 16:18 mobileuser: yeah, see that's the thing i'm waaaay out of the loop 16:18 talk to aoei and amateurhour! 16:19 i was making games as a kid long before the web even existed 16:19 that was the peak of my programming 16:19 i'm sure it's "easier" now in a way 16:19 but i'm so detached from it 16:20 i made games with 2d graphics that looks similar to nethack with tiles i guess (or like ultima if y'all ever played those games) 16:21 but they were like multilayerd tiles with transparency etc. 16:21 i wish i could find the shit... it would be on a 5 1/4 floppy though if i ever did lol 16:21 how would i ever even run that? 16:21 "The bone devil burns slightly." 16:21 huh? 16:22 It must be in lava 16:23 That's from minlinquid 16:24 krm26 o/ 16:24 yes, but a bone devil is fire resistant and flies 16:25 I think... 16:25 @e?bone devil 16:25 bone devil (&) | Lvl: 9 | Diff: 13 | Spd: 15 | Res: fire poison drain | Confers: nothing | MR: 40 | Generates: gehennom | AC: -1 | Attacks: 3d4 weapon physical, 2d4 sting drain str | Alignment: -9 | Flags: poisonous, stalker, infravisible 16:25 maybe not :-) 16:25 That's why it was "slightly" 16:26 right, thx! 16:33 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Val Dwa Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a wererat, on T:3718 16:33 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Val Dwa Fem Law), 490 points, T:3747, killed by a coyote 16:34 yay 16:40 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu), 1966 points, T:4091, killed by a jaguar 16:42 "You joust the master mind flayer! The master mind flayer disappears!" 16:43 ok wtf does that mean... 16:44 Ah there also was a shapechanger on the level, a temporary second master mind flayer :-) 16:48 heh 17:15 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Val Cen Fem Neu) killed Orcus, on T:31058 17:16 without boulder fort for once 17:16 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Val Dwa Fem Law), 435 points, T:2302, killed by a lesser homunculus, while frozen by a monster's gaze 17:17 hmmm Orcus has a withering attack as well? 17:17 @e?Orcus 17:17 Orcus (&) | Lvl: 66 | Diff: 36 | Spd: 15 | Res: fire poison drain | Confers: nothing | MR: 85 | Generates: unique | AC: -6 | Attacks: 4d4 weapon physical, 4d4 weapon physical, 3d4 claw wither, 6d6 cast spell, 2d4 sting drain str | Alignment: -20 | Flags: flies, seeinvis, poisonous, nopoly, stalker, covetous, infravisible 17:17 I never knew... 17:18 all those boulder forts :-) 17:22 I've been thinking of some ways to nerf boulder forts as a strategy 17:22 -!- NetSysFire is now known as NetSysFir 17:22 oh thank god 17:23 wayyyy too many people have been ascending lately 17:23 krm26 to the rescue 17:23 My favorite is letting certain powerful or large monsters (including demon princes) gradually shatter them into rocks 17:23 My least favorite is giving all the demon lords wands of striking :-) 17:23 i think they should elminate ludios completely 17:23 oh now it is ON rebatela 17:24 since it seems to be ok with oyou 17:24 we are at WAR 17:24 am I remembering wrong, or in 3.7 can the riders walk over boulders? 17:24 all levels between 10 and 20 should be ludios 17:24 what's good bro? 17:24 ludioshack 17:24 you've been missed ah 17:25 irl stuff came up so I was away for a bit, longer than I thought 17:25 i'll save you the time krm26.. the only thing needed to nerf the boulder fort is a striking wand 17:25 or force bolt as a monster spell 17:26 well, welcome back 17:26 oho you could ramp up the evil on that 17:26 i promise my real life is 10x the mess so i totally get it 17:26