00:03 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Con Ith Fem Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:4499 00:07 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Con Ith Fem Cha), 2009 points, T:6016, killed by an elf zombie 00:08 aaaaaargh 00:08 it was a good run 00:08 -!- Graznop has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 00:09 !lastgame netsysfire 00:09 qt: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/N/NetSysFire/evilhack/dumplog/1639112141.evil.html 00:10 basically instakill 00:10 took me 15 hp down 00:10 ugh 01:26 -!- ChrisANG has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:37 -!- ChrisANG has joined #evilhack 02:50 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 03:02 K2: i was on xp 6, drank a potion of gain level and didnt get the "you feel healthy" as a con, even though i confirmed i now got poison res 03:16 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Con Ith Fem Cha), 7107 points, T:8450, killed by an air elemental of Grumbar 03:16 fuck 03:17 NetSysFire are you sure you didn't have poison res already? 03:17 yes very sure 03:17 weird 03:18 also there was a shop with two entrances, and one didnt have a door 03:18 shk didnt bother to repair the hole either, it was this rectangular room cut in half by a wall 03:34 [hdf-us] [evil] Mosh (Pri Dwa Fem Law) polymorphed her first item, on T:25012 03:53 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #evilhack 03:53 -!- elenmirie has quit [Read error: No route to host] 03:53 -!- elenmirie_ is now known as elenmirie 04:13 !tell VaderFLAG congrats on the 5-streak! 04:13 VaderFLAG shall be duly informed at the first opportunity, mobileuser. 04:25 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #evilhack 04:25 -!- elenmirie has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:25 -!- elenmirie_ is now known as elenmirie 04:39 whats a tin whistle "called" in evilhack? 04:39 I mean tin is a material :D 04:53 pea whistle :-) 04:54 but I just "call" it tin of out habit ;-) 04:54 * out of 04:56 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Val Cen Fem Neu) wished for "blessed +2 dragonhide Hawaiian shirt of decay", on T:26518 05:25 man, those boojums can hit. just barely escaped 05:35 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) had a twisted staff entrusted to him by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:27406 05:36 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 4149 points, T:4653, killed by a bolt of cold 05:38 mobileuser, haha yeah I do too, this time I didn't stalk your game and see that you called it tin :D 05:45 heh 05:46 -!- Graznop has joined #evilhack 05:54 i call it tin. i didn't even know it was called pea unti fairl recently 05:55 no shame in stalking mobileusers games! lol 06:01 haha yeah, I mean that what online servers are for :) 06:02 I might not look that closely and have it in the background but I do tend to have a nethack game on my screen 06:06 so is invisibility permanent or not? I swear sometimes it's only temporary for me 06:06 i mean, it just went away and i don't think i hit a trap 06:07 and it's definitely happened before (unless i'm hitting traps and not noticing) 06:07 i just spent like 1k turns looking or a mummy wrap to find out i'm not longer invisible lol 06:18 rebatela only invis from a magic trap is permanent, until you hit another magic trap toggle 06:19 you met a boojum? 06:19 those can give you temporary invis 06:19 ahh that's what it was 06:20 detective mobileuser 06:20 heh 06:20 almost just died again. got caught in a bear trap with a snow golem 06:20 i'm trying to get to the temple in the ice queen level to buy protection 06:20 ouch 06:20 but i'm kind of not ready (partly because i haven't been able to buy protection) 06:21 it's the old catch-22 06:21 yep 06:21 i wish i had eota... it's such a great escape item 06:22 hopefully the wand is 0:3 and it doesn't take many wishes.. already wished for dbane...i should have sac'd for it (STILL have yet to get it from an altar) 06:27 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:29843 06:34 damn two frost giants riding woolys on the very first level on ice queen. never seen that they're usually at the end 06:34 i don't know charm yet :( 07:01 sleep wands? 07:01 oh half an hour ago :-) 07:07 blowing a bugle or something can also do wonders 07:24 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Master Kaen, on T:34431 07:24 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:34433 07:29 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Elf Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, acquiring a bag of holding, on T:17137 07:32 mobileuser: yes i cast sleep at them ;) but thanks ! 07:33 i don't like to kill the woollys in case i want them as pets later, but i almost died on that branch about a dozen times lol 07:33 bought protection though! 07:33 i'll go back for kathryn when i'm a little for buff 07:33 more* 07:36 Yay! 07:40 VaderFLAG 5 streak... wtf 07:40 i have failed all of you 07:41 evilhack obviously isnt difficult enough 07:41 Add more dragons 07:41 ok 07:41 add dragons on D:1 07:41 big dragons 07:42 big dragons with AoLS 07:42 on a serious note, I actually have elder dragons listed in my notes for possible things to add 07:42 fourk has regular dragons and then elder/ancient dragons (bigger, more powerful) 07:43 (The POWDER tutorial ends with a room of dragons, because learning about dying is an important part of roguelikes. If you get past them, you find a signpost saying "The whole point of those dragons was to ensure you would die. I had thought I had put enough in there. Clearly, I underestimated either your skill or persistence. Or maybe both. It is not recommended that you let me know you read this. 07:43 I will probably just respond by adding more dragons. - Jeff Lait" 07:43 ) 07:44 oh this my cue 07:45 Alternatively, add Sigmund, XTAHUA, hydras, etc 07:45 E-A-S-Y-B-A-B-Y-H-A-C-K 07:45 dont forget murray! 07:45 killer klowns and orbs of fire too 07:45 and electric golems :D 07:46 EPI: Abyssment. It's Crawl's Abyss. Good luck! 07:46 lol 07:46 beholder zombie dragons 07:46 (of excellence) 07:46 Great Cthulhu oh no wait 07:47 pinkbeast, rupert is always a big "oh shit" moment too 07:47 with his paralysis :D 07:48 cbus: Recently I gained the dubious distinction of being the only person to have been killed by Mennas in our variant. (Srsly, K2, they don't have to be Crawl's uniques, but roving uniques spice up Crawl and Angband alike) 07:49 Or POWDER has random named monsters who are nastier than the regular ones 07:49 mennas is no laughing matter 07:49 evilhack sort of has that 07:49 aphrodite level (unnethack too) 07:50 the rat king at a specific mines' end mines end 07:50 player monsters 07:50 shambling horrors 07:50 DCSS ghosts are also scary :D 07:50 they are pretty much clones of the player 07:51 Don't all of these turn up in fairly predictable circumstances (other than summoning of named demons, I guess)? 07:51 cbus: Not now they just hide in ghost vaults 07:51 yeah 07:51 why i said 'sort of' 07:51 oh 07:51 F 07:51 aphrodite would be the most random 07:51 cbus: when you find late game bones in evilhack they are spectres of the player that died with their stats/gear etc. 07:52 gear yes, not necessarily stats 07:52 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Mon Gia Fem Neu), 1646 points, T:1428, killed by a water troll 07:52 spectres are like ghosts on steroids. they can use/equip weapons and armor 07:52 and stuff 07:53 cbus: hence https://github.com/damerell/crawl/commit/7a13ad3c03144aad4a52c78e1ee010daabc5e638 because ghosts hiding away in runed-door vaults is boring as anything 07:53 I stopped playing once the MR name change happened 07:53 K2: spells? 07:54 or right before that 07:54 no 07:55 Spells could let them properly cut a swathe :-) 07:59 heh 08:00 I think a lot of monsters, not just dragons, could benefit from the lady/lord/queen/lt/cpt etc. kind of progression -- even if normally you only encountered a lot of them through potions of gain level 08:00 A magic trap effect for monsters could be gain level, too -- so deeper monsters could level themselves 08:01 yep, that could be interesting 08:01 And maybe giants could ride ancient dragons :-) 08:02 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Val Cen Fem Neu) killed Cerberus, on T:27154 08:02 The idea would be, when you ignore shit (as we all do, especially deep) they can get tougher 08:03 nurse, licensed practical nurse, registered nurse :-) 08:03 (racial nurses too obv) 08:03 "The ice crackles and melts. You drown Cerberus." that took some doing, since Cerberus kept melting the water 08:03 heh 08:03 But now you can't eat him for tp control 08:03 dive! dive! 08:04 hmmm 08:04 chance of teleportitis too? 08:04 I wonder what he tastes like after you freeze him, drown him, bury him in dirt, and dig him back up to eat him 08:04 No 08:04 lol 08:04 Just TP control afaik 08:04 ok wow 08:05 (and fire I presume but anyone who is there would have it) 08:05 do a /? to verify I'm not talking out of my butt 08:05 I ate him once and got tp control and was amazed -- 2nd time nothing tho, so it isn't 100% like I had hoped 08:05 still a nutritious way to start your time 08:05 I think he's also like 8 billion nutrition so be warned 08:05 right, thx for that tip! 08:06 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Medusa, on T:38483 08:12 krm26" like chicken 08:12 : 08:14 chicken gives tp control too?!? 08:15 i didn't know that about cerberus though 08:15 eating cerberus should give you the aggravate monster intrinsic (you are eating a dog) 08:15 yeah. i've always been afraid to eat him 08:15 should give you 3x aggravate monsters 08:15 :D 08:16 :) 08:16 k2: when i've had to fight spectre bones like in the valley or whatever they have hp like the player did 08:17 sounds really scary 08:17 pretty sure at least 08:17 can they also have instakill weapons like vorpy? 08:17 they don't just flop 08:17 right 08:17 yeah they have whatever was there cbus 08:17 hit points arent stats 08:17 oh ok i see 08:17 :) 08:17 and cbus they will take full healings out of bag, make wishes etc. 08:18 oh damn, make wishes 08:18 what do they wish for? 08:18 it's actually a challenge. i've almost died to my own ghost couple times 08:18 whatever they wish ;) 08:18 (also that sounds terrifying, it is like the TNNT deathmatch arena on steroids) 08:18 stoning tools? :D 08:19 it's usually worth it though, and killing them as quick as possible is obviously the best before they use up the resources 08:21 oh great. Titan just showed up on medusa lvl while i'm trying to rest 08:21 now i REALLY wish i knew charm 08:24 cbus: as far as what monsters will wish for, it varies. I've had the soldiers at the castle wish for an archon figurine 08:24 wow ouch, but no footrice stuff? 08:24 and the other day a djini decided to use the wish for himself and wished for a single cocaktrice egg and threw it at me 08:24 so yes footrice stuff 08:25 that is truely terrifying 08:26 i was so confused when it said the djinni wishes for an egg! 08:26 what an idiot! 08:26 then i was stoned... 08:26 that was early game too 08:36 [hdf-us] [evil] ligang (Val Hum Fem Neu) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:1555 08:48 k2 -- looks like the grownups mechanism in monsdata makes it really simnple to ladder-up any monster you feel like, from dragons to centipedes 08:49 yup 08:49 simnple, just like spelling simnple 08:49 yerp 08:50 What determines whether monsters eat stuff? If for example a giant centipede could find a corpse, eat it, and become an enormous centipede... 08:51 monsters dont eat food, with one or two exceptions 08:51 ^ not pets 08:51 I wonder how generic the pudding coalescing code is, it would be hysterical for two air elementals to be able to coalesce into a hurricane or something 08:52 its not 08:53 but yeah, monsters dont experience hunger unless they become tame, and then only if they can actually eat/need to eat 08:54 i've always found that quite unfair 08:54 Well, I know all you do is sit around waiting for us to give you work to do, but if there was (1) an environmental object monsters could use to grow, like a magic trap; (2) some monsters could eat corpses to grow; (3) still gain level; (4) a spell for monster spellcasters that let them grow friends, like gnome shamans promoting a rock gnome; then sticking a bunch of additional growth levels in would be pretty cool, *especially* if they 08:54 weren't ever normally generated 08:54 Just an expanded ancient dragon thought 08:56 1 and 4 sound interesting 08:56 i dont think you want monsters generally eating corpses/food at will 08:56 I was thinking more like carrion-eating monsters as a special case; beetles, centipedes 08:56 Not just whole-hog eating 08:56 ah 08:57 did qt add hogs to evilhack? 08:57 like what gelatinous cubes do 08:57 honey badgers will eat royal jelly 08:57 No hogs yet -- I kinda liked those qs in what was it, splicehack? 08:57 yeah 08:57 cows 08:57 hahah 08:59 *cubi could promote each time they have a result they like from a liaison with you 09:00 I'd love to see demons promote when they succesfully gate in something 09:00 elder bone devil, bone devil prince, whatever 09:01 do that but have the mail daemon come in every time and deliver them an official promotion 09:01 and when you kill a demon lord/prince, an investigate group of balrogs and whatnot should be dispatched somewhere on the level to see what the crap just happened :-) 09:01 Hah, could happen when you kill a gnome king even -- dispatch a gnome patrol 09:02 no, not the third degree! 09:02 like a minor version of the keystone kops raining down on you 09:02 gnome inquisitor riding a mumak comes at you 09:03 Actually, since thrones are mostly a midgame feature, and the midgame tends to be the least dangerous section of evil, seriously having some kind of dangerous inquisition after killing the king on the throne might make things more dicey 09:04 If the inquisition has some non-fodder in it 09:05 like come with a gnome wizard, a cleric, a hunting gelatinous cube to sniff out their quarry for them -- whatever a nice difficult mix of threats would be 09:05 hmm 09:06 I like that part of the game, but oracle-to-castle is typically only a problem when you hit a horrible ghost level 09:06 but you often see one to three thrones 09:07 Jeez, if it was an unexpected timed thing to -- after you kill the king, sometime in the next 1000 turns you might be found by the patrol just jumping out on you, shouting "There s/he is!" 09:07 Then that could happen at a very inopportune time 09:07 Or when you are at your stash 09:07 Ooooh this is getting more evil 09:07 Not being able to plan for it is the best part 09:07 :) 09:08 ticking time bomb 09:08 I guess comparable to a min, earlier game rodney rebirth 09:08 min/mini 09:09 maybe I should make a patch 09:10 sounds pretty isolated 09:10 you should make a variant 09:11 but i like evilhack 09:13 some variants add too much content -- new content is nice, but it can't just be slammed all over everything; it needs to be digestible, i.e. found in specific places, or at specific events, so people moving from vanilla have a chance to understand what is going on 09:13 variants that just drop 100 new monsters in, that isn't a good variant policy (IMO) 09:13 even though new monsters are fun and have their place 09:15 -- the best thing about giants is being able to smash nymphs with boulders 09:20 giant has an interesting balance between huge advantages and huge disadvantages 09:25 I'm sticking regicide retaliation in the etherpad, you shouldn't have given me that link :-) 09:26 no, ideas are good 09:26 just dont expect that every idea will be added to the game 09:26 yeah, no ideas are good 09:29 ugh, why is sickness resistance a hackro instead of a resistance bit? 09:32 mobileuser: makes sense that giants would only have huge things 09:34 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Val Cen Fem Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:27172 09:35 lol aosdict 09:35 bleh, immediately an alhoon. run away! 09:36 k2: Do you know why some resists are kludges instead of being in MR_ or MR2_ despite space remaining in the word? Or why there is the MR_ MR2_ split in the same word? just curious 09:40 krm26: probably herstorical reasons 09:40 i mean, MR_ is actual elemental resistances while MR2_ is stuff like see invisible, i think 09:41 But there are enough resistances that weren't stuck in there that it seems like there must be an (undocumented) reason the rest of the word isn't being used 09:42 It kinda looks like MR and MR12 were originally 12 bit words but architecturally that can never have been the case 09:42 MR and MR2 rather 09:42 All predates the git repo unfortunately or gitdiving could answer it 09:42 not sure, you could email pat and ask, he might know 09:43 Heh 09:43 Not worth anyone's time, just idle curiosity 09:43 sick res probably should have been made as an MR_ 09:43 I see that stuff and my fingers itch to move teleport, sickness, and magic into the bitfield 09:43 I could have my own variant which is just cleaning up code and creating lots of brand-new bugs 09:44 i wasn't really joking, i've asked him some similar questions before and he was happy to tell his stories of working on nh back in the day. though one of the questions he ignored 09:44 or seemed happy at least 09:44 it might predate his own involvement though 09:49 krm26: i feel the same way about variants, and it's why i like evilhack so much 09:52 Oh yeah, wooden pick axe! 09:52 can you wish for something like bone large splint mail of drain resistance? 09:54 yes you can, but better make it mithril 09:54 lightweight 09:54 bone is lighter than mithril isn't it? 09:55 uhm... 09:55 maybe...... 09:55 I just have mithril = good in my head :-) 09:55 Yup, mithril weighs 187, bone 156, normally 500 09:55 mithril gives you an AC bonus 09:55 TIL 09:55 bone if you want to cast spells 09:56 otherwise go with mithril 09:56 but bone lets you -- what K2 said 09:56 giant sammy :-) 09:56 forget about spells 09:56 Can always magic missile things 09:56 unskilled level 30 magic missile is serious 09:57 I never bother with samurai 10:01 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Sam Gia Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a glass piercer, on T:12410 10:05 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Mal Neu), 2912 points, T:4502, killed by a jaguar 10:07 another titan at castle and master lich 10:07 at least no alhoons yet! 10:16 holy crap. i'm at the castle 41k turns and haven't found a digging wand yet 10:17 i just learned the spell, but damn that's weird/weak 10:19 ...annnd I'm a glass piercer 10:20 Wish I could drown myself back into giant form 10:25 "you feel less hassled" anyone know what that means ? 10:25 yhup 10:25 troll revived in chest, for example 10:28 looks like i got my baphomet valley bones 10:28 i'm on the stairs this time so hopefully he doesn't smoke me again 10:32 gonna have to fight my spectre too.. hopefully he doesn't waste all the crap i had (or kill me) 10:32 also sucks i hadn't grabbed the castle wand yet, but he's got some good gear (and even some digging wands!) 10:33 how do i look up baphomet on here? i always forget 10:35 ?e! baphomet 10:35 !e-/baphomet 10:38 "/?baphometENTER" 10:39 in-game 10:39 I don't know how to do anything in this channel 10:40 @e?Baphomet 10:40 Baphomet (&) | Lvl: 54 | Diff: 30 | Spd: 18 | Res: fire poison drain | Confers: nothing | MR: 75 | Generates: unique | AC: -4 | Attacks: 4d6 weapon physical, 4d6 claw physical, 2d6 cast clerical, 8d6 butt knockback | Alignment: -15 | Flags: flies, thick hide, seeinvis, poisonous, nopoly, stalker, covetous, infravisible 10:51 nice addition to the PR qt 10:51 i think i will merge 10:51 or maybe let it sit out of the oven for a bit 10:52 i changed it so that it won't work if you're flying or levitating btw 10:53 which it does currently i think. i figure that makes more sense? 10:56 thanks k2 10:57 it's the butt attack right after the spellcast and the claw that destroyed me last time 10:59 i'm gonna go try to get more maxhp first i think. I wish i had the helm and boots that my spectre has, but i'm glad i didn't do castle first or i would have ended up wishing for stuff i already had 11:00 maybe i'll do castle first. the thing is i keep trying to go to valley to eat some wraiths before castle and it hasn't been working out! 11:02 Will Baphomet be hurt like he was in the game? i got a few hits in so i imagine that means i have a head start 11:04 qt yes that makes sense, good catch 11:06 i think so rebatela 11:06 at least i'll be on the stairs 11:06 so much harder in the open like that 11:07 Just make sure you have your back to something so his butt doesn't screw you 11:07 and if i die to him or my spectre it'll just leave some really nice bones for someone else 11:07 krm26: ah that's a good point thanks 11:08 There should be 100% chance of bones when you die on a bones -- I don't think that is currently the case? 11:08 i guess i will read earth from the stairs 11:08 i agree and i'm not sure if that's the case 11:08 or if it's just the same odds again 11:08 it seems like it might be that way because it happens so often 11:08 (double/triple bones) 11:08 even on shallow levels it seems to happen a lot 11:09 but valley is deep enough that it usually leaves them anyway 11:10 -!- ChrisANG has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:17 ok qt, gonna merge 11:17 do it, i dare you 11:17 any last minute things you think need to change or be added? 11:17 give me a minute, i'll look at it again 11:17 k 11:17 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Sam Gia Fem Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:13598 11:22 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Sam Gia Fem Law) became literate by reading a book, on T:14131 11:31 i think it's ok, though I wouldn't be surprised if there is some bug that will only be noticed when people start playing 11:32 ok 11:32 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 5 commits to master [+0/-0/±19] https://git.io/JDYMT 11:32 [EvilHack] entrez 394c9f7 - Allow wiz override of VOTD levelport restriction 11:32 [EvilHack] entrez 5da78e5 - Fix some issues with freezing water/lava and WDSM 11:32 [EvilHack] entrez 7dfd25a - Move WDSM freezing to its own function 11:32 [EvilHack] ... and 2 more commits. 11:32 \o/ 11:32 great 11:32 i'll go live later today 11:34 have you tried it out yourself? 11:34 not yet 11:34 i will now that its merged 11:34 :D 11:34 but i did read over all of the changes thoroughly 11:34 I was thoroughly thorough 11:35 I think there was a change sometime in the last year to give the detect magic scroll a unique base price? when before it was with the huge mess of destroy armor, etc.? 11:35 Am I correct? It now has the acid/oil potion price, standard 125? 11:35 yeah i changed its base price 11:36 it was too cheap 11:36 Cool, but I don't think it should uniquely price ID 11:36 too useful 11:36 Bump it up to genocide/punishment maybe 11:36 or down to amnesia/taming 11:37 But inbetween you are giving too much away. I question your commitment to evil 11:38 It is a *really* minor thing, but for EVIL I kinda would like to see weapon/armor/unc smooshed together with one of the bad scrolls added in -- fire or destroy armor 11:38 i like how when you figure out a strategy, you try to get k2 to change it so other people can't do it 11:38 and one piece of crap wand stuffed in the cold/fire category 11:39 Heh, rebatela 11:39 Look at it this way 11:39 If *I* can figure it out, it can't be very evil 11:39 well we do embrace the evil way of thinking here 11:39 Seriously tho unique price ID of a good item is kinda BS *in evilhack* 11:39 I don't mind it in vanilla 11:40 i wasnt thinking about if it had a unique price, i just bumped up the cost 11:40 Just 25 more and it is no longer unique! 11:40 The other price Id things that catch my eye (I'm a huge price IDr) are like I said, the enchant scrolls, and the combat wands 11:41 like speed monster should be lumped in with cold/fire/lightning/sleep 11:42 Want to hear another really evil price ID thing I've been thinking about? There should be 4 wands of nothing, one for each wand price category 11:42 nothing, nada, zilch, nil 11:42 hah 11:42 (then if you collect all 4 they can coalesce into null and your game goes poof) 11:43 the wand of nothing being same price as death/wishing was my real only 'fuck you' EPI 11:43 not going to add onto that 11:43 That is an excellent change that should be backported to vanilla IMO 11:44 wand of nothing being the same price as death/wishing> and if you point it at a shk and zap it they should aggro 11:44 :D 11:44 it would be pointless if it was backported to vanilla. The whole reason it's awesome in evilhack is because you THINK it's going to be death or wishing (because of vanilla) 11:44 crap 11:44 k2 there is something that needs fixing lol 11:44 O M G 11:44 :P 11:44 ALWAYS the fucking minute after it's merged 11:44