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Ouch! 08:05 -!- VaderFLAG has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:06 Oh, I see, you had several rounds 08:10 Warning really needs to show insignificant threats as 0 instead of not showing them at all 08:10 In fact with evil's wide range of difficulties it really should be using a 0-9 spread 08:10 krm26: I don't really want to see tnnt achievements in vanilla, a lot of them are just making you mess around and produce rare situations 08:10 I'm not talking about all the weird achievements 08:11 But I mean things like being able to check what you've eaten, counts on things killed, etc. 08:11 Just fun stuff to be able to track or look at if you feel like 08:11 I mean, the info is "available" -- you COULD track it yourself -- no reason not to expose it if the code is already out there 08:11 #crazypersonstats 08:12 yeah some qol stuff like that is in xnethack, like the last turn you prayed and the exact amount of turns remaining your spells have 08:12 but only stats with a purpose 08:12 Hmm, I wasn't really talking about making tracking game mechanics stuff easier 08:22 -!- ChrisANG has joined #evilhack 08:28 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Arc Dwa Fem Law) polymorphed her first object, on T:51049 08:28 Darn tootin I did 08:28 -!- VaderFLAG has joined #evilhack 08:30 I found the VS, still a bit low on scrolls/potion for overpreparation 08:30 but I don't feel like grinding :-) 08:30 VS? 08:30 Vlad stairs? 08:30 vibrating square 08:30 oh sorry, vibrating square 08:31 Ahh yeah makes more sense :-) 08:31 or visual studio 08:31 :D 08:31 lol 08:32 "you find a visual studio. Your mind is filled with crazy lines!" 08:34 "Your brain stops responding" 08:34 is more along the lines of using it :P 08:36 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Pri Cen Fem Neu) wished for "blessed +2 dragonhide cloak of magic resistance", on T:33507 08:40 Where's the grease! 08:45 What's the point of not being able to put the bell of opening into a container, I wonder? 08:45 Theft prevention? 08:45 Wish you could at least put it in a chest 08:48 blowing it up in BoH accident I guess 08:52 Unwinnable games suck. 08:53 I think the sole reason has to be antitheft by covetous monsters 08:53 They don't steal the bell? 08:56 Don't they? 08:56 i've started leaving the bell back at the stash after it got cancelled 08:56 I guess I just always assumed covetous monsters would steal the invocation items pre-invocation 08:56 Yeah, I do that too, Graznop 08:57 but it is useful for opening all the ice queens containers in one go... 08:58 just noticed there is no staff of enchantment. it's almost like the game doesn't want you to cast charm monster :-) 09:00 I don't like how the staffs have uniquely mapped descriptions, should be randomized each game 09:01 -!- spicyCebolla has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:01 That, and the staffs should have a slightly greater casting bonus given how generally useless they are -- let them overcome a crapload of metal armor 09:02 maybe cast at one greater skill level? 09:05 so not only wizards can benefit from skilled attack spells? 09:06 "Where's the grease!" lol 09:07 forgot, not a habit 09:08 -!- spicyCebolla has joined #evilhack 09:08 giants should be able to grease their bodies 09:09 I wish in general that casting skill levels applied to more spells, even if in only slightly meaningful ways 09:09 Like, increasing range on lock and wizard lock 09:09 etc 09:09 With expert versions of spells being slightly better in utility than their wand/scroll counterparts 09:10 yes there is scope for adding utility 09:11 -!- ChrisANG has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:13 I feel so bad about peaceful NPCs -- they are just such enticing lootbags 09:13 Wish there was a way to make them angry without taking a conduct hit 09:14 ^ gotta love finding a polytrap for your pet in mines :D 09:14 if you polymorph them do you still get the alignment hit? 09:14 -!- ChrisANG has joined #evilhack 09:14 I think so 09:14 not sure, only done it in vanilla 09:16 re. expert spell - divination - light light's up whole level, like a blessed scroll in xNetHack 09:17 Ha 09:19 A lot of spells could have simple range ramp-ups 09:19 the point of giving that scroll that power when blessed was specifically because it was impossible to do otherwise 09:19 it gets too cheap if you can simply cast it for 5 pw 09:19 so now maybe people might actually use a scroll of light once in a while 09:19 maxed out create monster fills the level with monsters? :D 09:20 I kinda meant reduce spell effectiveness at poor skill levels rather than make spells amazeballs at high skill levels 09:20 I mean, evilhack 09:21 Like cap on charm monster victims, 1 at basic, 3 at skilled, no cap at expert 09:21 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Pri Cen Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:34021 09:21 Beam length capped at 4 for basic, 6 for skilled 09:22 double trouble... 09:22 Create monster difficulty cap at basic, etc. 09:22 Just give casters a reason to put levels into spell skills 09:23 An alternative would be 10% spell cost break at skilled, 25% cost break at expert -- THAT would get people pumping levels 09:23 At almost 0 code investment 09:23 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Pri Cen Fem Neu) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:34027 09:24 what would charm monster do at unskilled if its max at basic is 1? 09:24 maybe just pacify, and not tame? 09:24 YANI ^ 09:25 Just throwing out more rough ideas to try to convince K2 that spell skills should have meaning every increment 09:25 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Pri Cen Fem Neu) performed the invocation, on T:34035 09:25 could also be influenced by charisma, to enhance the utility of excellence 09:26 [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Dwa Mal Neu), 61 points, T:1002, killed by a goblin 09:26 Dammit, another Ludios-free game, boooo 09:26 good luck casting it at unskilled - 99% failure with 23 wisdom/int 09:28 sorry 79% failure 09:32 I love how the valley looks wielding Sunsword 09:35 Nothing beats Sunsword 09:36 Although I wish I was dual wielding with Excalibur or Grayswnadir 09:36 Ooh, cursed saber Grayswnadir, the absolute nadir of saber experience 09:36 Cursed, perma-hallucinate 09:39 cursed grays makes you hallucinate? 09:42 No 09:43 I mistyped the name and went off on a flight of fancy about a parallel cursed artifact with a similar name 09:44 I do like the idea of a really great intelligent weapon that hates you -- when you are low on health or completely trapped by monsters or confused or stunned, it takes the opportunity to turn on you 09:44 Fumbles and hits you instead, etc 09:44 But it is good enough it makes you want to use it 09:44 Just very very carefully and hopefully with no surprises 09:49 There is a critical bug in my game! There's no swap chest in the valley! 09:53 Real q: Are there any cool strategies I'm missing for dealing with the chokepoint magic trap in the valley in evil? Is jumping the only solution? 09:58 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Pri Gia Fem Neu) had a spellbook of cure blindness given to her by Thoth, on T:50875 09:59 cheers mate 10:02 what a thankful gift 10:05 Thoth is a dick 10:05 Fucking ibises 10:05 well at least it wasnt blank :P 10:06 cure blindness should be level 1 and at skilled should also cure hallucination and even then it would still be crap 10:06 Really, extra healing should be hit point focused, healing should do a small heal and start curing other status crap at higher skill levels. And cure blindness should be removed 10:07 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Pri Gia Fem Neu) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Thoth, on T:51022 10:07 i'm only sacrificing for luck! 10:12 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Pri Cen Fem Neu) killed the orcish high priestess of Moloch, on T:34230 10:15 Weird, naked, wielding nothing, nurse beating the crap out of me 10:16 is that a evilhack thing? 10:16 Ah, I bet she got a round off and got canceled by my GDSM 10:16 ....aaaand the amulet of yendor is nowhere to be seen :-( 10:16 mobileuser, I quit a vanilla healer earlier 10:16 Teleporting amulet on first drop is the BEST 10:16 with a level chock full of monsters 10:16 accidently blew up my BoH, then lost/forgot the amulet which I noticed on leve l1 10:17 so I just escaped (couldnt be arsed to backtrack to gehennom) 10:17 I hope to avoid that fate! 10:18 but this could take a few hours to sort out (or die) :-( 10:18 :( 10:18 I didnt even have enough of gold detection or a bag 10:18 so I lost the few scrolls I had to fire traps too 10:18 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu), 899 points, T:2354, killed by a wand 10:18 after digging up some from the wizard tower moat 10:43 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Pri Gia Fem Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:51487 10:47 The blue dragon picks up the Amulet of Yendor. 10:47 AHA 10:50 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Pri Cen Fem Neu) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:34367 10:50 \o/ 10:50 Go go go 10:50 \o/ 10:50 Slam those 60 cursed potions of gain level 10:56 mobileuser: love that level, with the angry gingerbread man map 10:56 :-) 10:57 krm26 no cursed potions of gain level 10:57 polypiling didn't give me any 10:57 Rng is weird 10:57 This game I've done the valley and have yet to see a wand of DIGGING 10:57 of all things 10:57 time for an extended break now, see ya later! 11:23 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Arc Dwa Fem Law) had Snickersnee bestowed upon her by Quetzalcoatl, on T:57375 11:25 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu), 1759 points, T:3600, killed by a rothe 11:29 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Arc Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased +3 dragonhide boots of speed", on T:57445 11:30 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Arc Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased +3 oilskin cloth elven helm", on T:57454 11:32 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Arc Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased +3 dragonhide cloak of protection", on T:57461 11:36 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Arc Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased fixed +3 bone shield of mobility", on T:57523 11:37 Damn 11:37 Sux that mobility can't be bone, what a hose 11:42 [hdf-eu] [evil] doomcircle (Sam Gia Mal Law) was denied Excalibur! The Lady of the Lake has removed his long sword from existence, on T:32007 11:43 Whaaaaaaaaaaaat 11:43 Removed from existence? 11:45 Funny that she snags your sword 12:00 -!- spicyCebolla has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:08 [hdf-us] [evil] ligang (Val Hum Mal Law) performed his first genocide (two random monsters from class h), on T:95186 12:19 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Pri Gia Fem Neu) killed the invisible Dispater, on T:51979 12:50 -!- elenmirie has quit [Read error: No route to host] 12:50 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 12:51 Damn, too bad Griznop 12:51 We all need a vanilla adjustment period I think 13:03 Cripes two @npcs spawned at the same time right on top of me 13:03 Luckily not casters 13:10 [hdf-eu] [evil] doomcircle (Sam Gia Mal Law) killed Cerberus, on T:33116 13:13 krm26: why too bad? 13:15 Because I can't read, and I thought Dispater had killed you :-) 13:16 Sorry, I've been a total vegetable for the past two weeks, on new medication that makes me permadrunk 13:17 reports of my death have been greatly exaggerated! 13:18 permadrunk - be very careful playing 13:20 That's my secret -- I'm never careful 13:21 Xiuhcoatl is made for snow golems 13:21 [hdf-eu] [evil] doomcircle (Sam Gia Mal Law) entered Gehennom, on T:33214 13:22 not played arc yet 13:22 The weapon is pretty fun 13:22 The basic twoweaponing is not 13:22 Likewise, not being able to wish for a bone shield of mobility 13:24 -!- ChrisANG has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 13:25 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Arc Dwa Fem Law) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:59239 13:26 -!- ChrisANG has joined #evilhack 13:27 why can't you wish for a bone shield of mobility? base type is metal? 13:28 Yeah, I tried and got crap, no bone. Mithril is the best bet but I was trying to keep from screwing spellcasting 13:28 I think it might have to be "shiny" material 13:29 But I bet it doesn't permit crystal :-) 13:32 just checked - doesn't allow crystal. Mithril is OK 13:32 So I have two mithril shields I found and a normal one I wished for as bone :-) 13:32 c'est la vie 13:40 -!- ChrisANG has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:43 [hdf-us] [evil] Mosh (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) averted death (killed by an Uruk-hai), on T:6784 13:45 [hdf-us] [evil] Mosh (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a wererat, on T:6950 13:45 [hdf-us] [evil] Mosh (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) averted death (killed by a sewer rat), on T:6954 13:46 [hdf-us] [evil] Mosh (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) polymorphed her first object, on T:6970 13:47 That's a lot of averting death in a short time 13:50 Mosh: Still got a lamp, poly, cancel, dragonhide -- looking good 13:54 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Arc Dwa Fem Law) defeated the invisible Kathryn the Ice Queen, on T:60125 13:55 [hdf-us] [evil] Mosh (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 680 points, T:8344, killed by a rock mole 14:02 -!- ChrisANG has joined #evilhack 14:11 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #evilhack 14:12 Damn, too bad Mosh 14:14 -!- ChrisANG has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:22 I wonder if I can keep this pegasus alive for more than my average of 5 dungeon levels 14:24 That excalibur denial message is great, nice to see new folks playing evilhack 14:27 Annnd the pegasus is a statue within 5 levels 14:42 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Arc Dwa Fem Law) had Frost Brand bestowed upon her by Quetzalcoatl, on T:61469 14:48 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) murdered X AE A-12, her faithful pseudodragon, on T:420 14:48 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 269 points, T:420, killed by a water demon 15:04 nabru, are you elon musk? :D 15:04 hahahaha 15:04 yeah 15:04 what's up with the new haircut 15:05 (thinking of the pet name being elons childs name) :D 15:07 yet more proof the best indicator for success in business is narcissism 15:09 ...wished for blessed greased fixed +3 polished spiked barding of petrification resistance 15:16 no obj prop for barding or saddles 15:22 I'm well aware of that, since my pegasus always gets instantly turned into a statue 15:26 I honestly don't understand how people keep these pegasi alive for any length of time, they just want to commit suicide 15:36 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Con Ith Fem Cha) averted death (killed by a rock gnome), on T:6147 15:37 Ugghhgh what in hell do I do about a cursed saddle again; firebomb the horse with holy water? 15:39 -!- spicyCebolla has joined #evilhack 15:41 there was a trick, but since I never ride I have forgotten it :-( 15:42 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Con Ith Fem Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:8129 15:42 would canceling it be bad? 15:44 does a wand of opening work? 15:45 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Con Ith Fem Cha), 10460 points, T:8663, killed by a rothe 15:45 classic 15:57 Smashing them in the head with holy water seems to be the best way 15:57 I accidentally let my pegasus in the same room with Iztchak 16:00 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Pri Cen Fem Neu) entered the Planes, on T:35697 16:00 go go go 16:02 thx! but first, dishes :b 16:02 Every time I go to watch him he leaves :-) 16:02 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Pri Gia Fem Neu) killed Orcus, on T:52988 16:04 Ok, this time I can read, I'll congrats Graznop instead of Orcus 16:04 (better luck next time Orcus) 16:04 reading a scroll of remove curse will help wth cursed saddle/barding 16:04 lol 16:05 I had foolishly dismounted and let my unstoned pegasus wander into the lighting shop unattended... 16:05 free action will negate a shambling horror's paralysis attack yes? 16:05 Yes 16:05 thx 16:06 But of course it will have elevensy more attacks to butt, con drain, etc. etc. etc. 16:10 Oooh crap. Taught my daughter and her friend how to safely hold dry ice in their hands and now my wife is pissed as hell at how irresponsible I am 16:15 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu), 1656 points, T:3157, killed by a rabid dog 16:19 I really appreciate you run with perminv Graznop 16:19 i find it really convenient too 16:20 It is convenient for play, AND convenient for spying on people who are playing 16:24 back to the game, inconsiderately without perminv :-) 16:24 boo! 16:24 you show your kids how to safely do something and your wife gets pissed? of course 16:25 are we married to the same person krm26? 16:25 maybe we' 16:25 we're all married to the same person :-) 16:25 'Hey Kathryn, this is how you safely cast acid blast at your enemies' 16:25 'Hey Kathryn, this is how you safely start global thermonuclear war' 16:25 safety is the key word here 16:26 Here I was thinking how brilliant I was getting the girls to spend 4 solid hours playing dry ice hockey without any electronics at all 16:26 wear your eye-pro 16:26 have a reflective belt worn at all times 16:27 you can safely do anything at that point 16:27 don't go putting your fingers in power sockets 16:28 unless wearing a reflective PT belt 16:28 then its ok 16:28 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu), 419 points, T:1457, killed by a kitten 16:28 I love "killed by a kitten" 16:28 best of all the deaths 16:29 kittens are vicious 16:29 Death messages should include character level 16:29 little bastards 16:30 I guess I have to lock the pegasus in a closet until I'm ready to ascend or it will surely kill itself on something 16:35 nobody puts baby in a corner 16:36 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Arc Dwa Fem Law) had a pair of gauntlets of protection entrusted to her by Quetzalcoatl, on T:63433 16:46 I wish I could somehow use my flaming Xiuhcoatl (or Fire Brand) to melt ice 16:46 F > 16:46 good way to drown yourself 16:46 hah 16:47 I thought I was very clever, using freezing sphere to trivialize the krakens in the valley 16:47 But now I realize that I have deprived myself from free immune ranged against Cerberus now that the water is all ice 16:48 I 16:48 I'm not sure that -60AC will make up for no HP 16:50 Maybe he'll melt the ice for me 16:52 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Arc Dwa Fem Law) killed Cerberus, on T:64086 16:52 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Arc Dwa Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:64098 16:53 What symbol does everyone use for ghosts and shades and whatnot? I've been using ~ but I'm not super-happy with it 16:53 i use 8, but possibly X is better? 16:54 I use X 16:55 I was kinda thinking # 16:56 Or I, which is distinguishable with my font 16:56 for the *I*ntangible monsters 16:57 X fits with xorn behaviour 16:57 true 16:57 But they frequently appear on levels with xorns 17:00 different colour though 17:02 Vecna's first level is glorious in Sunswordvision 17:02 Odds of getting pegasus through this alive: 78,421,001 : 1 17:03 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Pri Cen Fem Neu) killed the invisible Pestilence, on T:35979 17:05 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Pri Cen Fem Neu) killed the White Horse, on T:35991 17:10 Soo close! 17:11 Doh 17:11 You have a helm? 17:11 Or wishes for a helm? 17:20 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Pri Cen Fem Neu) killed Famine, on T:36074 17:21 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Pri Cen Fem Neu) killed the Black Horse, on T:36077 17:22 mobileuser: Grand tour almost done! 17:23 "The woolly mammoth appears." 17:23 what does that mean?? 17:23 I have no clue 17:24 Might be from mcastu? Create monster that made just one monster 17:27 -!- bouquet has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:27 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Pri Cen Fem Neu), 4510954 points, T:36096, ascended 17:27 https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/m/mobileuser/evilhack/dumplog/1638189129.evil.html 17:27 -!- bouquet has joined #evilhack 17:27 Congrats! 17:27 congrats mobi!!! 17:27 "You never genocided any monsters." that's a first for me 17:27 thx! 17:27 \o/ 17:28 now come help me do the dishes 17:28 heh 17:28 heh, wife is asking me to some other chores :-) 17:28 brb 17:32 -!- bouquet has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:33 -!- bouquet has joined #evilhack 17:40 maybe something teleported a woolly mammoth, like a QM 17:45 WM is a valid 'nasties' monster 17:46 WM? 17:46 woolly mammoth 17:46 ah, I just assumed it would be one of my pets 17:46 they are nasty indeed! 17:56 woolly mobileuser 17:57 -!- bouquet has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:59 :-) 18:04 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 18:12 Aaagh my blessed +7 Sunsword is now a piece of crap, stupid eyes 18:12 Right in the middle of a lichfest 18:15 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Arc Dwa Fem Law) had a steel dwarvish spear entrusted to her by Quetzalcoatl, on T:66535 18:30 -!- bouquet has joined #evilhack 20:16 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 20:19 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #evilhack 20:25 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:06 lol k2 i'm glad you let that PR sit for a bit, I just noticed something I want to change 21:06 it's super minor though, basically just an aesthetic thing 21:06 :) 21:06 place the PR in the oven at 350° F for 15 min, pull it and let sit for 10 min 21:15 I think the next thing i'm gonna do is make it so wearing GDS/GDSM can make you immune to cancellation. still debating on whether to have it always protect or just a chance of 21:15 which means gray dragons (or being poly'd into one) would also be immune to cancellation 21:18 Hmm 21:20 Not sure I like, purely on the basis that GDSM is probably already one of the most sought-after pieces of equipment there is in evil 21:20 Any kind of buff further trivializes the other DSMs 21:20 gdammit 21:20 make all hawaiian shirts protect from cancellation 21:21 why u haz to make the sense 21:21 If you do it, make it partial 21:21 Here's a crazy thought that is a lot of work 21:21 actually, not sure if I like that, purely on the basis that hawaiian shirts are already one of the most sought-after pieces of equipment due to their extreme style 21:21 Ready? 21:21 I'm ready 21:21 Have a "super" behavior for each DSM color -- your cancellation immunity could be the GDSM super behavior 21:22 Give every other piece of dragonscale armor a color, randomly, unspecifiable by wishing 21:22 If you are wearing a complimentary color in another slot, you get the super ability from your DSM 21:22 went from 'hey dont do that, its too much' to 'BAM mega DSM for everyone' 21:22 The interesting behavior here is that finding a yellow dragonscale cloak of protection for example might make you REALLY want to wear YDSM for the super ability 21:22 lol 21:22 so like 'dragonhide gloves' would be 'black dragonhide gloves' or something? 21:22 when otherwise you wouldn't give it a second look 21:23 I would definitely give a dragonhide cloak of protection a second look 21:23 Look, everyone but monks always wears DSM, it is a given 21:23 dragonhide roxx 21:23 it's an interesting idea 21:23 But nobody wears anything but SDSM, GDSM unless they are forced to 21:23 Or have to put on YDSM for Kathryn, etc 21:23 hmm I wear the one that gives you light 21:23 and sickness res 21:23 Yeah, I wear GoldDSM whenever I can engineer it, it is true 21:23 adding dtsund armor will expand thinga a bit 21:23 i like that one, I'm a sucker for permalight 21:24 *things 21:24 But it requires a fair amount of engineering 21:24 true 21:24 you apply scales to one piece, then can wear another set of scales as a cloak 21:24 Anyway, the idea would be based on random chance your wished-for whatever makes you take a second look at the BlueDSM, etc. 21:24 And the uncontrolled randomness keeps there from being a "standard set" of gear 21:24 hmm 21:25 There are certainly other ways of coming at it; I'm really talking about the problem (which evil has a lot less than vanilla, but still has) of there always being an "outfit" 21:25 no, that's too much. you could wind up finding reflection or MR for slots you normally wouldnt find. it would make the game easier 21:26 k2 it wouldn't give you the normal dragon armor ability 21:26 it would just have a good synchronicity if you found matching dragon armor 21:26 oh just the secondary one? 21:26 black dragonhide gloves wouldn't give you disint res, but it would power up and black dsm you find 21:26 if i'm understanding krm26 right 21:27 krm26 you should write this up on the evilhack etherpad under 'other bits and stuff' 21:27 I kinda have the sleepy dumb right now 21:27 The evilhack whatnow? 21:27 https://www.hardfought.org/etherpad/p/EvilHack 21:27 qt beat me to it heh 21:28 Under "other things and bits and stuff"? 21:29 Under new category, "Krm suggestions to ignore"? 21:29 pffft 21:29 Under new category: "Item hegemonization: A theory in three parts"? 21:29 yeah under other bits 21:31 omg qt are you in force push hell again 21:39 @e?arch angel 21:39 arch angel ~1~ Archangel (A) | Lvl: 18 | Diff: 25 | Spd: 16 | Res: fire cold sleep shock poison petrification magic | Confers: nothing | MR: 70 | Generates: special | AC: -6 | Attacks: 2d4 weapon physical, 2d4 weapon physical, 1d8 claw physical, 4d6 cast clerical, 2d6 hug physical | Alignment: 15 | Flags: flies, regenerates, seeinvis, nopoly, stalker, infravisible 21:41 no sickness res? 21:41 angels dont get sick 21:42 neither do demons 21:43 oh 21:43 no acid res though 21:44 K2: I think I am done now lol... I just kept noticing little things I wanted to tweak. it would have been fine without any of them but force pushing gives me such a rush, you know? 21:44 :) 21:44 cool 21:44 i'll pull it in the morning in case you have any other ah hah moments tonight 21:44 sounds like a good plan 21:44 about to go to bed, sleepy 21:45 good night 21:45 nite o/ 21:49 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Con Ith Fem Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3471 21:49 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Con Ith Fem Cha), 1727 points, T:3474, killed by a hobbit 21:49 of course i die with a magic lamp 21:49 and my damn god doesnt help me 21:55 :-( 22:14 qt, K2: Ok, I barfed something into the etherpad 22:15 I clearly marked it with my name for isolation and containment purposes 22:37 -!- ChrisANG has joined #evilhack 22:40 -!- ChrisANG has quit [Read error: No route to host] 22:42 -!- ChrisANG has joined #evilhack 23:01 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #evilhack 23:04 -!- elenmirie has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:04 -!- elenmirie_ is now known as elenmirie