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(www.adiirc.com)] 08:25 graznop: especially as giant (the invis trap) 08:26 nothing ya can do.. sometimes I'll sit on a trap for a while trying to become visible again, but that usually doesn't work 08:26 sucks if you're trying to kite wraiths and can't wear mummy wrap 08:27 luckily the same trap gave me see invis too 08:27 but i've had to dig down into a shop to get my spellbooks back 08:28 surely mummy wrappings don't come in different sizes? 08:29 'The bandage is too short to warp around you'? 08:54 yeah. no they don't 08:55 yeah it sucks if it happens early game because of shops 08:55 you can teleport in too 08:55 do keys break in evilhack? 08:55 i didn't even think of digging down that's a good one 08:55 I remember reading that they break in some variant but tired brain forgets :P 08:55 cbus they do 08:56 do you usually keep a stack of them or how do you handle it? 08:56 do lockpicks/creditcards also break? 08:56 they only break if they are cursed 08:56 oh, ok 08:56 so just dont use cursed unlocking tools 08:56 no worries then 08:57 huh actually that's not true 08:57 actually yes it is lol 08:57 i don't think i've ever had an actual key break 08:57 i have 08:57 was it cursed? 08:57 yeah 08:57 isn't that vanilla? 08:58 yeah i think it is 08:58 it takes longer too if it's cursed 08:58 taking longer is vanilla 08:58 not breaking 08:59 btw the MKoT and PYEC are exempt from breaking this way 08:59 ah ok 08:59 and stethoscopes are also exempt, which makes sense (they can be considered an 'unlocking tool' if you use them on a safe) 08:59 that would be dumb if your stethoscope could break while using it to crack a safe lol 08:59 In Slash'em uncursed keys break a lot 08:59 "you listened to hard" 09:00 oh yeah thats probably where I got the idea from 09:00 been reading on wiki about variants :) 09:00 I'm always glad in Slash'em to get a plastic golem that drops lots of credit cards 09:00 But once you get an artifact key it's fine 09:17 unlocking tools dont break in vanilla 09:35 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Pri Cen Fem Neu) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:27470 09:35 Yay, something for my priest to hit alhoons with 09:36 Mjollnir and Demonbane not very good against those 09:43 does a cancellation attack in evil mean that the equipment of a monster gets cancelled, too? 09:43 what if it has the +5 iron shoes i want to have? 09:44 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Con Ith Fem Cha), 49 points, T:265, killed by a jackal 09:46 the iron shoes could become +0 09:46 which is a good thing if you couldn't hit it before... 09:52 [hdf-eu] [evil] Tomsod (Inf Elf Mal Una) became the Emissary of Moloch, on T:68582 09:53 magicbane becoming a quarterstaff is actually a Good Thing™ - a lot of players don't seem to realize that 09:53 esp for priests 09:54 have you all noticed the added feedback for abusing alignment yet? 09:55 not yet, my alignment went down again but that was probably before the new feature 09:55 looking forward to feelin guilty :-) 09:56 guilttriphack 10:00 in that commit I also fixed a couple places where an infidel was getting an alignment hit but shouldnt have 10:01 what I should do now is look at where players get an alignment boost, some of those actions should probably count against an infidel 10:01 'You help the little old lady across the street. You feel guilty.' 10:06 "this is NOT what Moloch would want" 10:06 k2, good thing but cant Elbereth scum as much (well not that evilhack has that problem as much as vanlila but yeah) 10:07 heh 10:10 that's already the case for infidel I think? 10:11 oh yeah sometimes I noticed that in the sokoban prize room 10:11 'Infidels are discouraged from using Elbereth: scaring monsters this way incurs a -5 alignment penalty. On the other hand, attacking under the protection of Elbereth does not (but the engraving will still disappear).' 10:12 step on the sokoban prize, monster moves next to you, BOOM, alignment penalty :-) 10:17 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 10:45 sokoban and the castle at this point really do not need the elbereths 10:45 they're a relic of a time when E + an item meant monsters wouldn't step on it 10:45 well I guess in evilhack it's more relevant since it teaches you Elbereth 10:46 YANI for evilhack: no more E in soko, but guarantee that an E will generate on the floor somewhere between levels 9-14 10:48 [hdf-us] [evil] ligang (Val Hum Mal Law) had Grayswandir bestowed upon him by Tyr, on T:55118 10:56 -!- ChrisANG has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:57 -!- ChrisANG has joined #evilhack 11:11 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu), 837 points, T:2591, zombified by a hobbit zombie 11:11 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Arc Dwa Fem Law), 3431 points, T:2819, killed by a baby owlbear 11:14 -!- ChrisANG has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:20 -!- ChrisANG has joined #evilhack 11:25 -!- ChrisANG has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:27 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 11:28 [hdf-us] [evil] ligang (Val Hum Mal Law) had a mithril two-handed sword entrusted to him by Tyr, on T:57363 11:42 NetSysFire, how's convict going so far? 11:48 -!- ChrisANG has joined #evilhack 12:28 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Pri Gia Fem Neu) killed Nalzok, on T:38165 12:28 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Pri Gia Fem Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:38172 12:40 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Pri Gia Fem Neu) returned The Mitre of Holiness to the Arch Priest, completing her quest, on T:39062 12:41 only moderately abused alignment too... 12:49 -!- ChrisANG has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:49 -!- ChrisANG has joined #evilhack 13:04 you look at the arch priest and say 'I'll be back' 13:05 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 13:19 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 13:30 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) destroyed the invisible coplate's ghost, the former Thaumaturge, on T:28625 13:41 K2: havent played much nethack in the last week, but its all practice. the beginning of the game is the hardest part after all, but as an illithid convict you have psionic and sickness res, get poison res easily at xp 7 and also intrinsic flying at i think it was xp 10 13:41 and imagine if you get the chromatic dsm 13:44 flying at exp lvl 12 but yeah 13:44 yeah 13:47 random idea: being a wererat should be actually good for convicts, since they can tame rats 13:48 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Con Ith Fem Cha) destroyed karibou the elf zombie, and former Cutpurse, on T:2421 13:52 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Con Ith Fem Cha), 1731 points, T:2675, killed by a pony, while praying 13:53 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Medusa, on T:31775 13:53 damn she had a death wand 13:59 -!- ChrisANG has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:59 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Arc Dwa Fem Law) had a pair of jackboots entrusted to her by Quetzalcoatl, on T:1688 14:09 happy with your boots? 14:10 at T:1688 I am going to wager he is happy :-) 14:11 -!- ChrisANG has joined #evilhack 14:12 hah, true 14:12 K2: did you think about the nudist conduct and the cursed striped shirt yet? 14:15 remind me 14:16 (please) 14:18 what is the game supposed to do when a convict has nudist set? ignore it (you can't play nudist convict), or remove it (this allows you to play convict without the disadvantage of the shirt for free) 14:18 hmm 14:18 i'm not sure what to do about that 14:29 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:34028 14:36 iirc some of the other potential options discussed previously were: base shop bans on whether you are punished instead of the shirt. or make it like tourist, where the shirt causes a ban, but so does being a convict below level X even without the shirt 14:37 i think that last one is not great because it basically removes the 'puzzle' of hiding/getting rid of the shirt 14:37 ^ that 14:38 or ban based on both the shirt and the iron ball, so that you have to deal with both of them. nudists would still have to deal with the iron ball 14:38 and what if you read a scroll of punishment as a non convict? does this mean you're shop banned also? 14:38 does the shirt effect hit non-convicts? 14:38 i guess it would be the same 14:39 afaik no one has ever ascended evilhack with any of the more difficult conducts in intact 14:39 nudist/zen/permhallu/pacifist 14:40 I think the "ban for both" still has a problem in that it's optimal to just flip on nudist when starting a convict even if you don't intend to actually do nudist. 14:40 Sure you have to get rid of the ball but you eliminate 50% of the problem before you even start 14:44 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Master Kaen, on T:35117 14:44 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:35121 14:47 -!- ChrisANG has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:51 allow +0 striped shirt for nudist? enchanting breaks conduct. wearing a +0 striped shirt doesn't convey any advantages. 14:51 if you try to enter a nudist colony wearing a striped shirt they will laugh in your face 14:52 we must take a principled stand -- nudism means something, god damn it 14:52 depends how long the shirt is 14:53 Please, please, no shirtcocking in NetHack 14:58 lol 14:59 doing the donald duck 15:02 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 15:10 or I could do nothing, leave it alone 15:10 'want to play nudist? dont pick convict' 15:11 is the current situation that you get the shirt even if you have specified nudist? 15:12 i dont know 15:12 probably 15:12 right now you don't start with the shirt 15:13 so there's no shirt issue if you specify nudist 15:14 i bet people are going to be lining up to try now ;) 15:16 hah i doubt it 15:17 -!- ChrisANG has joined #evilhack 15:19 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Croesus, on T:37604 15:34 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Pri Cen Fem Neu) defeated Kathryn the Ice Queen, on T:28272 15:48 -!- cbus has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:50 -!- cbus has joined #evilhack 16:10 [hdf-us] [evil] Mosh (Rog Hob Fem Neu), 171377 points, T:45299, killed by an invisible shambling horror 16:28 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu), 319 points, T:1328, zombified by a gnome zombie, while helpless 16:46 -!- rebatela has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:51 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Pri Cen Fem Neu) wished for "blessed fireproof +2 oilskin cloth elven helm", on T:28666 16:59 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 17:02 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Pri Gia Fem Neu) polymorphed her first object, on T:42665 17:43 -!- spicyCebolla has joined #evilhack 17:53 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Pri Gia Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed fixed +3 dragonhide speed boots", on T:43486 17:54 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Pri Gia Fem Neu) wished for "blessed fixed +3 oilskin cloth elven helm", on T:43492 17:54 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Pri Gia Fem Neu) wished for "marker", on T:43494 17:55 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Pri Gia Fem Neu) made her first artifact wish - "blessed fixed The Eye of the Aethiopica", on T:43496 17:57 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 18:13 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Pri Gia Fem Neu) killed Medusa, on T:44066 18:15 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Con Ith Fem Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3650 18:20 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Con Ith Fem Cha) murdered her faithful newt, on T:7138 18:21 [hdf-us] [evil] Mosh (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 1992 points, T:2048, killed by a gnome lord 18:40 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Con Ith Fem Cha), 8259 points, T:11986, killed by a dwarf lord 18:45 -!- spicyCebolla has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:46 K2: when a player monster of the same alignment as you casts 'summon minion', should killing the minion abuse your alignment? 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(www.adiirc.com)] 19:11 not if it's hostile towards you 19:19 ok, thanks. must have splatted a peaceful one by mistake 19:20 oh I thought you were asking if it should 19:20 you're saying it did? 19:24 not 100% sure - but i went from moderately to gravely abused, and am trying to understand why. It was a bit hectic with the player monster though... 19:24 i'll check the ttyrec 19:24 you would have received feedback 19:26 all I noticed was Thoth booming "Thy shall pay for thy indiscretion", which puzzled me a bit 19:27 thanks for adding the feedback btw 19:27 -!- spicyCebolla has joined #evilhack 19:28 -!- ChrisANG has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:28 yup that's valid feedback for abusing alignment 19:28 ^ vanilla 19:29 was puzzled because this happened when fighting a pm, nowhere near an altar 19:30 anytime you hear your deity getting angry with you, assume you've screwed up your alignment in a big way 19:30 ^ also from vanilla 19:31 nethack devteam added feedback for some things, but left out quite a few also, guess they didn't deem it as important. and in vanilla it really isnt 19:38 in vanilla it's supposed to be a lot more silent, is my guess 19:44 -!- spicyCebolla has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 19:46 most of the events where there isnt any feedback, the alignment hit is minor 19:56 ok, checked the ttyrec and don't understand what I did wrong 19:57 do you mind having a look? details are here: https://termbin.com/chfb 20:01 oh 20:01 that's just the player monster casting 'summon minion' 20:02 what type of minion appears (and what it's alignment will be) is based off of the caster's alignment 20:02 that shouldnt incur any kind of alignment adjustment 20:03 both me and the caster were neutral 20:03 lemme look 20:03 your alignmwnt wont have any bearing on what type of minion is summoned 20:03 looking to make sure you dont get dinged for attacking it 20:04 you probably got some sort of elemental 20:05 yes, earth elemental iirc 20:10 -!- spicyCebolla has joined #evilhack 20:14 not seeing anything that would trigger an alignment hit 20:14 Pete's sake, how long can this take to compile, next time I'm writing a robotfindskitten variant 20:18 [hdf-us] [evil] ligang (Val Hum Mal Law) wished for "blessed amulet of magic resistance", on T:59159 20:20 attacking a summoned minion of same alignment that is hostile to you wont incur an alignment penalty either, just confirmed 20:24 ok. thanks 20:38 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±3] https://git.io/JMSQu 20:38 [EvilHack] k21971 9819ec3 - Fix: black colored tame monsters not showing in the HTML dumplog. 20:40 ^ this most likely affects all variants that uses Tangles' html dumplog patch 20:49 [hdf-us] [evil] ligang (Val Hum Mal Law) had Frost Brand bestowed upon him by Tyr, on T:60601 21:08 -!- Graznop has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:24 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Arc Dwa Fem Law) had a curved sword entrusted to her by Quetzalcoatl, on T:16281 21:30 [hdf-us] [evil] ligang (Val Hum Mal Law) destroyed the invisible Mosh's ghost, the former Pilferer, on T:63116 21:42 -!- ChrisANG has joined #evilhack 22:03 * arahael wonders what nethack would be like in VR. 22:03 I think a VR player would need to find the artifact VR goggles just so that he can escape to a less depressing world. 22:10 [hdf-us] [evil] Mosh (Inf Ith Fem Una), 712 points, T:1220, killed by a gnome lord 22:12 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 344 points, T:643, killed by a piranha 22:20 [hdf-us] [evil] ligang (Val Hum Mal Law) killed Lord Surtur, on T:64439 22:20 [hdf-us] [evil] ligang (Val Hum Mal Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:64440 22:27 [hdf-us] [evil] ligang (Val Hum Mal Law) completed his quest without incident, on T:64699 22:36 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Arc Dwa Fem Law) had Dragonbane bestowed upon her by Quetzalcoatl, on T:17925 22:39 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu), 1727 points, T:3955, withered away 22:46 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Arc Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, acquiring a magic marker, on T:18817 22:51 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Arc Dwa Fem Law) had Demonbane bestowed upon her by Quetzalcoatl, on T:19462 22:57 [hdf-us] [evil] ligang (Val Hum Mal Law) had Snickersnee bestowed upon him by Tyr, on T:66650 23:07 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Arc Dwa Fem Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:20707