00:00 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 245 points, T:791, killed by a piranha
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00:18 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Gno Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (piranha), on T:2699
00:23 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Gno Mal Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3344
00:23 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Gno Mal Cha), 1812 points, T:3350, killed by an incubus
00:28 <Hecubus_> [hdf-eu] [evil] Tomsod (Inf Elf Mal Una) used a helm to turn lawful, on T:9193
00:34 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Gno Mal Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:1069
00:45 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Gno Mal Cha), 2506 points, T:2893, killed by a poisoned blast
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02:55 <Hecubus_> [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Inf Ith Mal Una), 8743 points, T:6300, killed by a baby yellow dragon
03:11 <Hecubus_> [hdf-eu] [evil] Tomsod (Inf Elf Mal Una) had Secespita bestowed upon him by Moloch, on T:12256
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05:46 <Hecubus_> [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Inf Ith Fem Una) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:5488
05:48 <Hecubus_> [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Inf Ith Fem Una) changed form for the first time, becoming a wererat, on T:5786
05:49 <Hecubus_> [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Inf Ith Fem Una), 4192 points, T:5827, killed by a rabid dog
05:54 <Hecubus_> [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 2894 points, T:4079, killed by a fire ant
06:19 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed greased fixed +2 dragonhide speed boots", on T:5350
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07:55 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:9644
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08:35 <Hecubus_> [hdf-eu] [evil] joes (Wiz Gno Mal Cha) destroyed krm26's ghost, the former Investigator, on T:8334
08:41 <amateurhour> if I cast stone to flesh on myself and my helm is made of stone does it turn to meat?
08:42 <amateurhour> because that's the only thing I have to prevent stoning atm
08:43 <amateurhour> I could try to yolo the ice queen for acid potions
08:43 <amateurhour> but my ac is -8
08:45 <NetSysFire> @e?water elemental
08:45 <Hecubus_> water elemental (E) | Lvl: 8 | Diff: 10 | Spd: 6 | Res: poison petrification | Confers: nothing | MR: 30 | Generates: gehennom dungeons | AC: 2 | Attacks: 5d6 claw physical, 4d4 engulf wrap, 0d0 passive rust | Alignment: 0 | Flags: swims, amphibious, breathless, mindless, unsolid, passes-bars, vegan
08:47 <Hecubus_> [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Inf Ith Fem Una) changed form for the first time, becoming a frost salamander, on T:6240
08:47 <NetSysFire> ooh nice
08:47 <NetSysFire> @e?frost salamder
08:47 <Hecubus_> frost salamder ~2~ frost salamander (:) | Lvl: 10 | Diff: 13 | Spd: 12 | Res: cold sleep | Confers: cold | MR: 0 | Generates: dungeons | AC: -3 | Attacks: 2d8 weapon physical, 1d8 touch cold, 3d6 hug cold, 2d6 hug cold | Alignment: -3 | Flags: swims, thick hide, poisonous, stalker, passes-bars
08:49 <Hecubus_> [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Inf Ith Fem Una), 5910 points, T:6588, suffocated by a water elemental
08:49 <NetSysFire> damn couldnt play my horn
08:55 <VaderFLAG> amateurhour yes anything stone in inventory should become meaty
08:56 <Hecubus_> [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Pri Gia Fem Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a black dragon, on T:47166
08:57 <amateurhour> hmm meat helm kinda sucks
08:57 <amateurhour> pretty fashionable though
08:58 <amateurhour> fitting for a meathead giant monk though
08:58 <amateurhour> any tips for medusa? might try yolo that after work
08:58 <amateurhour> can't cross the water though :|
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08:59 <Hecubus_> [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Pri Gia Fem Neu) killed Graz'zt, on T:47178
09:05 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Arc Hob Fem Law), 3105 points, T:2915, killed by a piranha
09:06 <Graznop> amateurhour: medusa tip - avoid melee
09:06 <rebatela> amateurhour: you don't want to melee medusa 
09:06 <rebatela> fire wands/horn are good 
09:06 <rebatela> i usually cast magic missile, but wands are next best thing 
09:07 <rebatela> but yeah it sucks if you can't cross the water, because you really don't want to dig and come back up like in vanilla. shes will keep stoning you 
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09:23 <mobileuser> if you have a wand poly: a couple of zaps usually work (despite MR)
09:24 <mobileuser> * wand of poly
09:24 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Arc Hob Fem Law) stole 620 zorkmids worth of merchandise from Hebiwerie's general store, on T:623
09:25 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Arc Hob Fem Law), 292 points, T:626, killed by Mr. Hebiwerie; the shopkeeper, while sleeping
09:28 <amateurhour> I have a wand of poly but no fire wand
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09:56 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Arc Hob Fem Law), 1868 points, T:2139, killed by a wolf
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10:10 <qt> what do you do about weight as an early game knight? i immediately get burdened once i pick up anything
10:11 <qt> try to find lighter armor? risk slipping and mount the pony early?
10:12 <K2> loose the lance
10:12 <K2> that thing weighs 180aum
10:13 <qt> just drop it somewhere and come back for it later?
10:14 <K2> sure
10:14 <K2> or lock it in a box
10:14 <K2> monsters will use it
10:14 <qt> can it break when a monster uses it
10:14 <mobileuser> yes and retrieve the lance once you have max luck and better strength/constitution
10:14 <K2> hmm good question
10:14 <K2> i'm not sure
10:15 <K2> !who
10:15 <Hecubus_> K2: [hdf-us] qt [evil] krm26 [evil] :: [hdf-au] No current players :: [hdf-eu] Graznop [evil] Tomsod [evil]
10:15 <K2> damn
10:15 <K2> krm26 isnt here...
10:15 <K2> i have evilhack on hdf-us ready to patch, but the nature of it, not good to do with active games going
10:16 <qt> you could send him mail
10:16 <qt> whenever I see an underlined f it looks like a £ to me
10:17 <Umbire> I generally try to lose the plate mail before anything
10:17 <Umbire> Though lance is a close second
10:17 <qt> https://0x0.st/-nPh.png £££
10:19 <Hecubus_> [hdf-eu] [evil] Tomsod (Inf Elf Mal Una) had Werebane bestowed upon him by Moloch, on T:17721
10:20 <Umbire> ...oh yeah, was Werebane changed a lot in this?
10:20 <Umbire> Or still a silver saber?
10:21 <VaderFLAG> I think it's unchanged
10:21 <K2> its still a silver saber
10:21 <Umbire> Right
10:21 <K2> it'll warn you of lycanthropes
10:21 <Umbire> Which is a change made to all Bane-style weapons and some others, yeah
10:22 <Umbire> I remembered that much
10:22 <K2> yup
10:23 <qt> werebane should do double damage to all M1_HUMANOID monsters
10:24 <K2> ok evilhack patched on hdf-us
10:24 <K2> qt your quest livelog patch is part of that
10:25 <qt> were means man (cf weregild). it's werebane, not werewolfbane
10:25 <K2> manbane
10:26 <qt> exactly, it should hurt any 'man' (in the sense of 'mankind')
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10:26 <qt> M1_HUMANOID seems like a good heuristic
10:26 <qt> :)
10:26 <krm26> (sorry if I was slow logging out, wasn't paying much attention)
10:26 <Hecubus_> krm26: Message from mobileuser at 2021-10-26 13:35 EDT: belated congrats on the illithid Wizard!
10:27 <K2> you're good krm26
10:27 <K2> all patched, can resume whenever
10:27 <qt> i added the 'gave up the artifact' livelog etc to my config so that I will see them
10:28 <qt> it will be interesting to see what the distribution is like
10:32 <K2> indeed
10:32 <amateurhour> qt u should hide all messages u didnt personally add
10:32 <qt> a monster threw a potion and hit another monster, no visible effect, then i hit him and got caitiffed bc it was sleeping
10:32 <K2> yup
10:33 <K2> the life of a knight is not easy
10:33 <qt> lol amateurhour i would be missing out on seeing people get dragonbane then
10:34 <qt> it would be funny if it said 'sleeping X' in farlook, but only for monsters with eyes
10:34 <qt> since you can only tell they are sleeping if their eyes are closed
10:37 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] qt (Kni Hum Mal Law), 689 points, T:1587, killed by a gnome queen
10:38 <qt> i wonder why the devteam doesn't seem interested that type-naming your scrolls correctly is disincentivized
10:39 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Arc Hob Fem Law), 1922 points, T:2064, killed by a piranha
10:39 <qt> i'm reminded of it regularly bc in sokoban I always try and fail to come up with a way to spell 'earth' wrong that is still recognizable (like 'tele' or 'id')
10:40 <amateurhour> ear
10:41 <qt> sounds like a scroll that makes your ears bigger
10:41 <qt> if cursed it makes your ears smaller
10:42 <krm26> "rth" is my 3-letter designation
10:42 <krm26> ABRA KADABRA becomes ak:amn.cm.rth.tm
10:43 <Graznop> Help :( game just crashed. Logged out a few minutes ago, logged back in, got recover screen (?), seemed to recover ok, went downstairs...
10:43 <Graznop> ...and boom
10:44 <qt> k2
10:44 <Hecubus_> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha), 547 points, T:2166, killed by a hobbit zombie
10:44 <qt> please help Graznop... please
10:44 <amateurhour> haha wow scammed
10:44 <amateurhour> 1634922837 Graznop: trickery Cannot open file "5Graznop.11" for level 11 (errno 2).
10:45 <amateurhour> this sounds really bad
10:45 <qt> should have saved that for tnnt
10:45 <amateurhour> your game files got yeeted and deleted
10:45 <qt> is there still a trophy for that? there was in devnull right?
10:45 <Graznop> Just about to start ascension run too
10:45 <amateurhour> fingers crossed K2 can recover it
10:46 <qt> amateurhour: where are you seeing that?
10:46 <Graznop> My fingers are crossed. x
10:46 <amateurhour> paniclog qt
10:46 <amateurhour> https://eu.hardfought.org/xlogfiles/evilhack/paniclog
10:46 <amateurhour> that's the eu one^
10:46 <qt> ooh
10:47 <Graznop> It also displayed the error message I had last night, but with a different level (10): placing hell hound <41,9> over sandestin <41,9> at <41,9>, mstates:0 0 on Dlvl:42
10:47 <qt> why is the eu xlogfile available at the us domain, but the eu paniclog is only on the eu domain
10:48 <qt> yeah Graznop i think we definitely need to figure out what is causing that...
10:49 <rebatela> man that sucks. hope you are able to recover 
10:49 <amateurhour> ikr qt, it's annoying
10:49 <amateurhour> presumably the trickery was caused by the first crash/disconnect/etc
10:50 <amateurhour> loaded level (deleted file), re-loaded level (no such file)
10:50 <amateurhour> something along those lines somehow
10:53 <Graznop> sequence was: from vibrating square level, branch ported (EotA) to top of Soko, walked down to main dungeon (lvl10), walked to stash. Saved. Made cup of tea. Reloaded, got "recover?" message. Seemed to recover ok, went downstairs...
10:53 <qt> 1634922837 Graznop: impossible placing hell hound <41,9> over sandestin <41,9>{sandestin} at <41,9>, mstates:0 0 on Dlvl:42 ?
10:53 <qt> 1634922837 Graznop: impossible placing hell hound <41,9> over sandestin <41,9>{sandestin} at <41,9>, mstates:0 0 on Dlvl:0  ?
10:53 <qt> 1634922837 Graznop: impossible placing hell hound <41,9> over sandestin <41,9>{sandestin} at <41,9>, mstates:0 0 on Dlvl:10 ?
10:53 <qt> wow the hell hound and sandestin really followed you all over the place
10:53 <Graznop> pesky little critters
10:53 <qt> always staying in the same spot somehow
10:53 <qt> first dlvl 42, then dlvl 0, then dlvl 10
10:53 <qt> what level were you actually on?
10:54 <Graznop> dlvl42 when this first happened - there it made sense
10:55 <Graznop> was leaving level 10 when the crash happened
10:58 <qt> 'placing wizard of yendor over itself' is also super weird
10:58 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Arc Hob Fem Law), 896 points, T:1282, killed by a soldier ant
11:04 <VaderFLAG> Double Trouble but make it even doublier
11:08 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Arc Hob Fem Law), 548 points, T:860, killed by a dwarf zombie
11:10 <K2> Graznop game recovered
11:10 <K2> backtrace - https://termbin.com/i20k
11:10 * K2 goes back to work
11:10 <K2> fuckin busy day
11:10 <Graznop> Wow. Thanks so much!
11:12 <Graznop> Now better hadn't screw this up after adding to K2's workload...
11:12 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Arc Hob Fem Law), 16 points, T:16, killed by a water demon
11:18 <Graznop> Hmmm. So game loads, but with same hell hound / sandestin program in disorder message 
11:23 <Graznop> lol. now I have to defeat Graz'zt again
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11:24 <amateurhour> scammed
11:26 <Graznop> don't like rolling an 80% chance twice...
11:26 <Hecubus_> [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Pri Gia Fem Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a black dragon, on T:47167
11:27 <Hecubus_> [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Pri Gia Fem Neu) killed Graz'zt, on T:47175
11:27 <Umbire> ezclap
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11:30 <qt> 0x0000562aa2b6ec75 in get_mon_location (mon=0x3a3f,
11:31 <rebatela> neato graznop 
11:31 <qt> the mon pointer looks kinda weird to me
11:31 <qt> cf place_monster (mon=0x562aa384d2d0
11:32 <Graznop> So just saved / reloaded, and still getting the same message. Is it prudent to push on?
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11:35 <qt> Graznop: i think the 'trickery' was caused by a crash while you were in the process of saving
11:35 <K2> Graznop yeah. I made a second backup of your save so if anything unrecoverable happens, I can get you back to where you were when i restored last time
11:35 <K2> qt it was
11:35 <qt> so actually it's prudent to never save again
11:36 <Umbire> D:
11:36 <Graznop> yes I was thinking that
11:37 <K2> here's the backtrace of the trickery crash - https://termbin.com/b3m6
11:37 <K2> brb
11:42 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] Looksfar (Mon Gia Mal Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:3647
11:43 <Looksfar> I have a question, as I inadvertently abused my alignment last game
11:43 <Looksfar> I just named Sting, and was surprised when a couple of elves showed up to claim it.  I don't mind giving it up, but since I'm chaotic, if I defend myself against them and kill them, is that abusing my alignment?
11:44 <Graznop> I think it's only if they are generated peaceful
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11:45 <qt> actually i bet that does abuse your alignment
11:45 <qt> because they are generated peaceful, then peaceful is just set to 0
11:45 <Looksfar> Nuts.  And no way to give it up peacefully?
11:45 <qt> imo that is a bug
11:46 <qt> if you wait a bit to name sting, k2 will probably fix it
11:46 <Umbire> Yeah, you can't give up Sting iirc?
11:46 <Looksfar> Unfortunately I can't, I just named it and found out when the elves appeared.
11:46 <Looksfar> I'm not sure if there is a way to give it up.  If there is, it's not obvious.
11:47 <qt> i don't think there is
11:47 <Looksfar> Chatting doesn't work
11:47 <qt> remember in the hobbit how bilbo named his dagger 'sting' and then a bunch of elves jumped out and decapitated him
11:47 <Looksfar> ...no?
11:48 <qt> i guess that was only in the secret director's cut
11:48 <Looksfar> I thought a bunch of dwarves showed up at his place and they all got wasted smoking "Bag End's Best"
11:48 <qt> is there an equivalent to a director's cut for a book? special edition?
11:48 <qt> revised edition i guess
11:48 <krm26> The reverse normally
11:48 <krm26> The expurgated edition
11:48 <Looksfar> Sigh
11:48 <Looksfar> Abused alignment, here I come
11:49 <qt> Looksfar: only one of the elves will give you an alignment hit for killing him i think
11:49 <qt> looking at the code, it's pretty weird -- one of them is generated (potentially) peaceful, then made angry without removing the alignment penalty
11:49 <qt> the others are generated already-angry
11:49 <qt> idk why it's different like that
11:49 <Looksfar> Yep, I just got "seriously abused alignment"
11:49 <Looksfar> No choice though, it was either that or die
11:50 <qt> ugh
11:50 <qt> just from killing one monster (who was already angry)
11:50 <qt> who was effectively generated angry rather
11:51 <amateurhour> scammed
11:51 <Looksfar> I take it something similar happens if I name Orcrist?
11:53 <qt> yeah Looksfar i think so
11:53 <Looksfar> Nuts
11:53 <Looksfar> That's really a bug imo
11:53 <amateurhour> how come you wanted sting on your monk?
11:53 <Looksfar> I figured I'd name Sting and Orcrist in hopes of not getting them as junk sacrifice gifts later
11:53 <amateurhour> ah right, makes sense
11:54 <Looksfar> As I understand the EH system, you're not penalized for total artifacts in game
11:54 <amateurhour> yeah
11:54 <qt> hmm I guess this is the downside of that system
11:54 <amateurhour> if you've never abused alignment you get a slight buff to gift chances as well
11:54 <amateurhour> so this is especially unfortunate for that
11:54 <Looksfar> Well fuck
11:54 <Umbire> gross
11:55 <jonadab> Evil Patch Idea:  if the sacrifice gift code picks out an artifact to give you but it already exists in the game, you get the base item.  Rustproof.
11:55 <qt> incentivizing players to create as many crummy artifacts as possible, rather than making it a tradeoff, is not great imo
11:55 <amateurhour> hey qt people do that in vanilla to guarantee stormbringer etc
11:55 <VaderFLAG> Ah ha! That's how I tanked my alignment in that one game I was tracking it constantly and couldn't figure it out. I had named sting!
11:55 <jonadab> Super Evil Patch Idea:  And it counts towards the count of artifact gifts you have received.
11:56 <amateurhour> I prefer the dnh system for artiwishing, you get 1 free artiwish and you unlock the other 2 in different ways
11:56 <amateurhour> feel free to make as many artifacts as you like, or find them, whatever
11:56 <Umbire> The Evil method of it being a tradeoff at least makes sense, it's the alignment abuse part that's proving to be asscheeks
11:57 <Looksfar> Anyhow K2, if you're following this conversation...it seems that you end up abusing your alignment if chaotic and name Sting/Orcrist, as the elves that show up you have to kill and this abuses alignment.
11:57 <qt> i guess it is still a tradeoff in evilhack since it kills your alignment
11:57 <qt> lol
11:57 <Looksfar> That seems like a bug/unintended behavior.
11:57 <Umbire> It does
11:57 <qt> it's definitely a bug
11:57 <K2> ^ that
11:57 <K2> bbiab
11:57 <amateurhour> no way
11:57 <Umbire> Having to defend against elves is fine tradeoff-wise
11:57 <qt> what is bbiab
11:57 <amateurhour> assuming the '^ that' was aimed at the 'still a tradeoff' thing
11:57 <qt> baby, i am bald
11:57 <Umbire> But having one of them start peaceful is basically an alignment trojan horse
11:57 <amateurhour> 'be back in a bit'
11:57 <qt> i prefer baby, i am bald
11:58 <amateurhour> K2 isn't bald though, that's lore-breaking
11:58 <Looksfar> So I'm not sure here...is it unintended or not?
11:58 <Looksfar> I guess it doesn't matter, drive on with the run
11:58 <Looksfar> I've already screwed up my alignment
11:58 <amateurhour> I want to believe it's unintended because I cannot bring myself to believe it's intentional
11:58 <qt> it's for sure unintended Looksfar
11:58 <amateurhour> and I don't think it's a good tradeoff
11:59 <jonadab> If they're generated hostile, they should count as hostile.
11:59 <amateurhour> the tradeoff is the dangerous elves that appear and gank you
11:59 <Looksfar> They damn near killed me, especially because I was trying like an idiot to do what they said.
11:59 <jonadab> The only way the player should be penalized for killing _hostile_ monsters, is if the player is supposed to be a pacifist.
11:59 <Looksfar> "Turn over the dagger or we'll attack!"  "OK, here you go!"  *stabbity stab stab stab*
12:00 <amateurhour> hahaha confusing message, did you throw it at them?
12:00 <Looksfar> I tried chatting
12:00 <amateurhour> oh man, nothing like that is implemented as far as I know
12:00 <Looksfar> Throwing it at them would've been the more chaotic response I guess
12:00 <amateurhour> I don't think you can give it up and make them go away at all
12:01 <Looksfar> Welp, I guess this means I won't be naming this Orcrist then
12:01 <Looksfar> Heh
12:01 <qt> https://termbin.com/4m6qz this is the right fix i think
12:01 <Umbire> You can, just time and place
12:02 <Umbire> e.g. preferably after that shit's patched
12:02 <Umbire> :B
12:02 <K2> for the record, its unintentional
12:02 <K2> and also for the record, i'm not bald
12:02 <Looksfar> Thanks, baldy
12:02 <qt> but you just said you were
12:02 <K2> in fact, my mohawk has grown in rather nicely
12:02 <qt> i assume it was directed at me, since I'm not sure who else you'd call baby
12:03 <amateurhour> can't believe you didn't know the lore qt
12:03 <amateurhour> mohawK2
12:03 <qt> i remembered k2's mohawk
12:03 <qt> but since he said he was bald I assumed he shaved it off
12:03 <qt> i mean, he explicitly said he was bald. what was I supposed to think?
12:03 <K2> bbiab
12:03 <K2> 'be back in a bit'
12:03 <qt> there, he said it again
12:04 <qt> and now after saying he is bald, he's leaving and will be back in a bit
12:04 <K2> lol
12:05 <K2> nice patch qt, i see the mistake i made
12:05 <qt> i was confused why the leader didn't use MM_ANGRY but the followers did, but it's because the followers were added later I guess
12:06 <K2> company i work for, we're in the middle of email migration. did the biggest batch last night, this morning. biggest issue has been 'uuhh i dont remember my email password'
12:06 <Looksfar> PEBCAK
12:06 <K2> that and having to delete/redo email account on any mobile devices
12:06 <K2> nothing difficult, just a lot of it
12:07 <amateurhour> ah is the reason you went bald from the stress of the migration
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12:13 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Arc Hob Fem Law), 2484 points, T:2696, killed by a soldier ant
12:16 <tinklebear> qt, what's this about disincentives to type-naming scrolls?
12:16 <tinklebear> *"correctly" type-naming scrolls
12:17 <amateurhour> there's a bug where if you name a scroll with its exact actual name you can't guarantee writing it with magic marker or something
12:17 <tinklebear> lol
12:18 <tinklebear> I always look up the FEE FIE FOE FUM label and just write that
12:18 <amateurhour> yeah, me too
12:18 <K2> amateurhour i love you
12:18 <tinklebear> kind of fun. puts me in the abracadabra mood
12:19 <qt> tinklebear: https://github.com/NetHack/NetHack/pull/551
12:19 * tinklebear waves hands around
12:19 <amateurhour> what did I do
12:19 <tinklebear> ty, qt
12:20 <qt> stenno opened an issue about it last year (the one referenced in the PR) but the devteam didn't address it
12:21 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] eziono (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 321 points, T:878, killed by a piranha
12:21 <tinklebear> I mean, the way it is now, it seems like it prevents you from clobbering the real earth scroll by naming (say) gold detection "earth".
12:22 <tinklebear> personally, I think I should be allowed to clobber the real earth if I really want to. I (SHOULD) HAVE THE POWER
12:22 <qt> but if you named the wrong scroll 'earth', you clearly think it's the scroll of earth, so it feels like it makes sense that you'd write that
12:23 <tinklebear> I think that I agree with you!
12:23 <qt> in the PR, if you name something wrong, but then you ID the correct scroll, that will override your incorrect naming
12:24 <qt> it only applies if you don't know the right scroll, but you think you know it -- that makes sense to me
12:24 <tinklebear> not sure I like that last bit.
12:24 <tinklebear> like, the solution to you messing up your manually created type names, is to manually re-create them
12:25 <tinklebear> upon learning they are wrong, I mean. I don't like this being taken out of our hands
12:25 <qt> if you have two scrolls, one type-named 'earth' and the other being formally identified as 'earth', you think it should prefer the name you assigned?
12:25 <Not-4bf1> [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] https://git.io/JP3CR
12:25 <Not-4bf1> [EvilHack] k21971 5235a14 - Fix: alignment penalty for killing summoned elves when naming Sting/Orcrist.
12:25 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] Looksfar (Mon Gia Mal Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a werewolf, on T:4707
12:25 <tinklebear> yes. I like the power to name things what I want.
12:26 <tinklebear> formal identification kind of annoys me, the way it clobbers my chosen descriptions
12:27 <tinklebear> (just to describe where I'm coming from)
12:27 <K2> latest commit is live
12:27 <Umbire> Ballin'
12:27 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Arc Hob Fem Law), 1105 points, T:1610, killed by a rothe
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12:29 <Looksfar> Thanks, K2.
12:29 <K2> o/
12:29 <qt> actually now that we are talking about it, I think I see a problem with that PR
12:31 <Looksfar> As a general thing, is lycanthropy the same in EH?  
12:31 <Looksfar> Just wondering if I have to wait for it to wear off, or if it's togglable
12:31 <K2> same as vanilla
12:34 <Umbire> It can be toggled with poly control, technically
12:34 <Umbire> Or if you're chaotic and drinking unholy water
12:35 <Looksfar> Oh, drinking  holy water as a chaotic won't cure lycanthropy?
12:38 <Umbire> I don't think so
12:41 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Arc Hob Fem Law), 786 points, T:1244, killed by a jaguar
12:44 <tinklebear> Looksfar: I think holy water cures lycanthropy for chaotics
12:44 <tinklebear> it will probably also burn a little
12:45 <tinklebear> I could be wrong. But I seem to remember this.
12:46 <tinklebear> (as in, I remember doing it and it working.)
12:48 <Looksfar> I ended up having to pray anyway as I was starving and couldn't reach my gear.  So the experiment continues!
12:49 <tinklebear> :D
12:54 <tinklebear> "When *I* use a word, it means just what I choose it to mean -- neither more nor less"
12:55 * tinklebear stans Humpty Dumpty
12:55 <tinklebear> "The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things."
12:56 <tinklebear> "The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master— that's all."
12:57 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Arc Hob Fem Law), 685 points, T:1165, killed by a piranha
13:02 * Umbire pushes tinklebear off a wall
13:04 * tinklebear splats
13:06 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] Looksfar (Mon Gia Mal Cha) had a mithril winged helmet entrusted to him by Huan Ti, on T:6248
13:08 * Umbire loots the bones
13:08 <Looksfar> I have a *spear* and *magic helmet*!
13:09 <Looksfar> ...but I'm not a valkyrie
13:10 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] eziono (Pri Hum Mal Law), 4362 points, T:3473, killed by a rothe, while fainted from lack of food
13:13 <aosdict> Umbire: ... bones?
13:13 <aosdict> for some reason that sounds like the wrong word to describe it
13:17 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Arc Hob Fem Law), 996 points, T:1201, killed by an arrow
13:20 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Arc Hob Fem Law), 273 points, T:306, killed by a gnome lord
13:20 <qt> eggshell, bones, it's all calcium
13:26 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] eziono (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 501 points, T:1135, killed by a bolt of fire
13:29 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Rog Hum Fem Neu) killed Cerberus, on T:79879
13:29 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Rog Hum Fem Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:79883
13:30 <Hecubus_> [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Pri Gia Fem Neu) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor, on T:48282
13:30 <Hecubus_> [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Pri Gia Fem Neu) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:48285
13:32 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] Looksfar (Mon Gia Mal Cha) chose a runed broadsword to be named "Orcrist", on T:7067
13:33 <Hecubus_> [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Pri Gia Fem Neu) performed the invocation, on T:48301
13:37 <Graznop> Wands of death can only be re-charged once, right?
13:38 <mobileuser> correct
13:39 <K2> Graznop woop
13:41 <qt> my copy of Dune just arrived, the writing seems a little clumsy so far lol
13:42 <qt> "Is it not a magnificent thing that I, the Baron Vladimir Harkonnen, do?"
13:42 <K2> first book was written in the 60's
13:43 <Umbire> Yeah, it's older than most of us
13:43 <amateurhour> that was before they invented non-clumsy writing
13:43 <K2> smh
13:43 <K2> grammatical style was a bit different back then I suppose
13:47 <qt> idk I just read LOTR and I don't remember anything like "An elf stepped from the shadows.  'I, Legolas, the elven archer, will shoot goblins (who are evil) with my elven bow!' he cried."
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13:49 <K2> ^ approve
13:52 <mobileuser> qt you were quoting something said by Harkonnen
13:52 <mobileuser> so that could be intentionally clumsy
13:52 <mobileuser> like quoting Trump
13:55 <Graznop> Forgot to float before walking on lava!
13:56 <Graznop> I'm guessing I cannot teleport out in the sanctum?
13:56 <Graznop> Will a wand of cold work?
13:57 <K2> yes
13:57 <K2> zap down
13:57 <K2> or you can snap it and it'll freeze all the lava around you too
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13:57 <Graznop> Hope I've enough turn to get out of bag! thx
13:57 <K2> can you pray?
13:57 <K2> or are you in gehennom
13:58 <qt> didn't he say he's in the sanctum
13:58 <K2> ah
13:59 <amateurhour> qt can you please rewrite lotr in that style? I will pay in zorkmids
13:59 <Hecubus_> [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Pri Gia Fem Neu) killed the elven high priest of Moloch, on T:48549
14:00 <Graznop> Doh. Bloody amulet was cursed and has teleported away
14:01 <mobileuser> hate when that happens
14:02 <qt> amateurhour: _I would like to keep this magical ring,_ Bilbo thought, screwing up his face into a sad frown, _but Gandalf, my wizard friend, says I must give it to Frodo, my nephew.  I remember the time I got it from Gollum, an evil creature living in an underwater lake, as though it were yesterday._
14:02 * amateurhour throws zorkmids
14:03 * amateurhour makes it rain zorkmids
14:06 <Hecubus_> [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Pri Gia Fem Neu) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:48623
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14:45 <qt> another good line: She said _purpose_ and he felt the word buffet him, reinfecting him with terrible purpose.
14:46 <qt> sounds kind of funny to reuse 'purpose' in the sentence like that
14:46 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Arc Hob Fem Law) destroyed eziono's ghost, the former Adept, on T:4122
14:50 <qt> it does seem better now that it's done introducing these characters/places/concepts, though
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14:56 <K2> there's a buffet?
14:56 <K2> is it all you can eat?
14:57 <qt> all-you-can-eat porpoise
14:58 <K2> \o/
14:59 <Hecubus_> [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Pri Gia Fem Neu) entered the Planes, on T:50097
15:00 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] Mosh (Con Orc Fem Cha), 309 points, T:1067, killed by a cave spider
15:04 <Hecubus_> [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Pri Gia Fem Neu), 1952148 points, T:50117, burned by molten lava (with the Amulet)
15:04 <Graznop> Doh. So many things to concentrate on!
15:04 <qt> oh no
15:05 <Graznop> So close yet so far
15:05 <qt> sorry Graznop :(
15:05 <qt> !lastgame Graznop
15:05 <Hecubus_> qt: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/G/Graznop/evilhack/dumplog/1634922837.evil.html
15:05 <qt> what happened?
15:05 <qt> i can't even tell... did levitation time out?
15:06 <qt> or walked into it?
15:06 <Graznop> Forgot to have ring on
15:07 <Graznop> I took it off for some reason
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15:07 <Graznop> Should have learnt the first time I did it, in the sanctum. Die and learn
15:08 <mobileuser> Oof!
15:08 <mobileuser> I have died exactly the same way there :-(
15:08 <nabru> :(
15:09 <Umbire> D:
15:09 <mobileuser> "You were vulnerable to fire."
15:09 <mobileuser> yeah, then it's immediately over
15:10 <qt> rodney and the hellhound are there watching
15:10 <qt> of '1634922837 Graznop: impossible placing Wizard of Yendor <42,8> over itself at <42,8>, mstates:0 0 on Dlvl:42 ?' and '1634922837 Graznop: impossible placing hell hound <41,9> over sandestin <41,9> at <41,9>, mstates:0 0 on Dlvl:0  ?' fame
15:10 <Graznop> that would have been the wizard with a spell. Annoying
15:11 <K2> :(
15:11 <amateurhour> rip :(
15:11 <Looksfar> RIP Graznop...sorry man, that's a bad way to go.
15:11 <K2> at least we're getting decent backtraces on hdf-eu again
15:12 <K2> what do you think of this one qt - https://termbin.com/i20k
15:12 <amateurhour> thank u for testing out the crash reporting Graznop
15:12 <K2> that was Graznop's crash frome arlier
15:12 <K2> *earlier
15:12 <amateurhour> as qt mentioned earlier, it's really weird that get_mon_location has mon being a weird pointer 
15:13 <Graznop> was so tempted to use Magicbane for MR and free up amulet slot for life-saving. Can I have my PhD in hindsight now?
15:13 <mobileuser> amulet slot for flying!
15:13 <K2> i havent read all the backscroll here today unfortunately
15:14 <amateurhour> can you still load the coredump?
15:14 <K2> yes
15:14 <K2> the backtrace is what i just linked
15:14 <amateurhour> would be worth going up to 6th frame and checking what's in the lightsource if you can
15:14 <K2> and i made a copy of Graznop's save
15:14 <qt> what is a lightsource
15:14 <qt> oh
15:14 <qt> lol
15:14 <amateurhour> lol
15:14 <qt> i thought it was some special debugging thing, 'source' as in source code
15:14 <amateurhour> haha
15:15 <K2> it was probably one of the armor types
15:15 <K2> gdsm or shield of light
15:15 <amateurhour> it thinks it's a monster
15:15 <qt> but it's a monster lightsource
15:15 <qt> it should be a light-emitting monster, unless it's some complete junk data in there
15:15 <amateurhour> yeah so it's worth checking out what data is in there
15:16 <spicyCebolla> i thought there was paranoid_lava now?
15:16 <amateurhour> it's opt-in and these people are all too cool to set it
15:17 <spicyCebolla> oh, lol
15:17 <spicyCebolla> well, i guess they're getting the gameplay they want then! so that's cool
15:17 <amateurhour> they actually look down on lil amateurhour for enabling it, 'cant even walk near water without the game holding their amateurish hand" they say
15:17 <qt> the lightsource data says the mystery 'monster' is at 31,6 right?
15:19 <Graznop> should be recorded in the dumplog as "your dungeon had safety rails" or "you walked close to the edge"
15:20 <amateurhour> where is light_source even defined? is it a union?
15:20 <amateurhour> ah lev.h
15:23 <VaderFLAG> Wow RIP Graznop, talk about an unpleasant thing to see right as you take off your blindfold
15:26 <qt> hmm, look at this... watch the gold(?) dragon in the tower, a few spots above Graznop https://0x0.st/-nNg.mp4
15:28 <amateurhour> whack
15:28 <Graznop> VaderFLAG: looks like i actually walked into the lava a few turns before and didn't notice. oops
15:28 <tinklebear> that one square of lava in soko? i've stepped in it many a time
15:29 <tinklebear> sneakiest monster in the dungeon
15:30 <tinklebear> they're calling it "The Silent Killer". Because it just sits there, smouldering. Bubbling. Being in the same place all the time.
15:33 <VaderFLAG> Lava can't hurt you if you can't see it
15:43 <tinklebear> https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/t/tinklebear/nethack/dumplog/1608748809.nh.txt
15:44 <tinklebear> "You were blind from birth."
15:46 <tinklebear> "burned by molten lava"
15:46 <Graznop> there goes that theory then
15:48 <rebatela> you get a couple turns if you have fire resistance iirc
15:48 <rebatela> rip btw graznop. that sucks 
15:57 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Arc Hob Fem Law), 8383 points, T:8101, killed by a piranha
16:08 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] eziono (Kni Hum Mal Law) received Excalibur from a strange woman laying about in a pond, on T:2885
16:09 <qt> how can that dragon in Graznop's game have disappeared, anyone have any ideas?
16:10 <K2> levelport trap?
16:10 <qt> oh, you think maybe it went into the magic portal?
16:10 <qt> hmm
16:11 <amateurhour> but how would the pointer point somewhere whack
16:11 <K2> i would also suggest maybe another monster killed it, but those are hard to kill. was Graznop wearing conflict?
16:11 <amateurhour> it wasn't anywhere near a monster that can be seen with telepathy
16:11 <K2> and that dragon was a gold dragon yes?
16:11 <amateurhour> so the only thing I can think of is dying from zombie illness or a trap or something
16:11 <qt> he did jump through the portal
16:11 <qt> the magical portal
16:12 <qt> i can see him later in the termrec on the other side
16:12 <amateurhour> nice
16:12 <Umbire> neat
16:12 <amateurhour> K2 can you print the lightsource? is the whole item garbage or just the pointer?
16:14 <K2> can you walk me through what to do exactly? 'print <what exactly>'
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16:15 <amateurhour> I think you can go `up 5` to get to frame 5, then `p ls` or `p *ls`
16:17 <K2> ok one sec
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16:20 <K2> (gdb) up 5
16:20 <K2> #5  0x0000562aa2b6ec75 in get_mon_location (mon=0x3a3f, xp=0x562aa36e2b48 "\031\006\001",
16:20 <K2>     yp=0x562aa36e2b49 "\006\001", locflags=0) at zap.c:669
16:20 <K2> 669         } else if (mon->mx > 0 && (!mon->mburied || locflags)) {
16:20 <K2> (gdb) p *ls
16:20 <K2> No symbol "ls" in current context.
16:20 <K2> (gdb) p ls
16:20 <K2> No symbol "ls" in current context.
16:20 <K2> (gdb)
16:20 <qt> go up one more i guess
16:20 <K2> yeah frame 6
16:20 <amateurhour> sorry had a thoughto about which frame to go to
16:20 <amateurhour> like a typo of the brain
16:21 <K2> (gdb) up 6
16:21 <K2> #6  0x0000562aa291f9f9 in do_light_sources (cs_rows=0x562aa2c7c6e0 <cs_rows0>) at light.c:175
16:21 <K2> 175                 if (get_mon_location(ls->id.a_monst, &ls->x, &ls->y, 0))
16:21 <K2> (gdb) p ls
16:21 <K2> $1 = (light_source *) 0x562aa36e2b40
16:21 <K2> (gdb) p *ls
16:21 <K2> $2 = {next = 0x0, x = 25 '\031', y = 6 '\006', range = 1, flags = 2, type = 1, id = {a_void = 0x3a3f, a_obj = 0x3a3f,
16:21 <K2>     a_monst = 0x3a3f, a_int = 14911, a_char = 63 '?', a_schar = 63 '?', a_uchar = 63 '?', a_uint = 14911,
16:21 <K2>     a_long = 14911, a_ulong = 14911, a_iptr = 0x3a3f, a_lptr = 0x3a3f, a_ulptr = 0x3a3f, a_uptr = 0x3a3f,
16:21 <K2>     a_string = 0x3a3f <error: Cannot access memory at address 0x3a3f>, a_nfunc = 0x3a3f, a_mask32 = 14911}}
16:21 <K2> (gdb)
16:21 <amateurhour> it doesn't look like junk except for the id
16:25 <amateurhour> what's &youmonst?
16:26 <K2> same frame?
16:26 <K2> or just in general
16:26 <amateurhour> I don't think it matters what frame
16:27 <K2> (gdb) print &youmonst
16:27 <K2> $2 = (struct monst *) 0x562aa2c6fec0 <youmonst>
16:29 <K2> headed out, back in a few hours
16:32 <amateurhour> bleh idk
16:34 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Kni Cen Fem Cha), 1442 points, T:1437, killed by an iron piercer
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16:37 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] eziono (Kni Hum Mal Law), 8201 points, T:4891, killed by a piranha
16:47 <qt> the id looks like the result of this:
16:47 <qt> ls->id = zeroany; ls->id.a_int = 14911;
16:47 <qt> that would produce the 0x00003a3f pointers
16:48 <qt> and the '?' chars too
16:51 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Rog Hum Fem Neu) had Dragonbane bestowed upon her by Mog, on T:81312
16:53 <amateurhour> it looks like it saves/reloads monsters by saving and loading the monster id
16:54 <amateurhour> as a uint I mean
16:54 <amateurhour> but I stopped looking at that point and vegetated
16:55 <Looksfar> There's a non-zero chance I could starve to death in this game
16:55 <Looksfar> Sucks
16:55 <Looksfar> Soko-ban has been all tripe rations
16:55 <VaderFLAG> Those are the worst, especially when you blow a prayer on food and then get zombie bit or some nonsense right after
16:56 <Looksfar> Yeah, I had a cameleon imitate an alhoon earlier, blew a prayer and pissed off my diety
16:56 <Looksfar> So I don't even have that help atm
16:56 <VaderFLAG> You survived an alhoon attack, that's miraculous in itself
16:57 <Looksfar> I died to one on my last run
16:57 <Looksfar> Those are right proper terrors
16:58 <Looksfar> Not even sure how I'd defeat one at my best
17:01 <bouquet> tripe-o-ban is the worst when you hustle down there to find some chow.
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17:05 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] Looksfar (Mon Gia Mal Cha), 36818 points, T:14288, killed by a winged gargoyle
17:05 <Looksfar> Moot point anyway
17:05 <Looksfar> Frustrating
17:07 <bouquet_> I try to eat my way through the dungeon when that happens and I track my prayer timeout by #naming an item with the turn of my last prayer.
17:08 <bouquet_> it's an essential strategy when playing vampire wizard in unnethack.
17:08 <bouquet_> always wait at least 1000 turns between prayers if you can.
17:09 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Rog Hum Fem Neu) killed Baalzebub, on T:82120
17:09 <VaderFLAG> I should really note my prayer turncounts, I just never do
17:09 <VaderFLAG> Surely I won't need to use it again soon, he says foolishly
17:12 <Looksfar> If I'm gonna have to die in Soko-ban, at least have the courtesy to do it before I waste an hour clearing it out.
17:15 <Graznop> So I realise I'm bitter and twisted at the moment...
17:16 <Graznop> ...but a tile marked as a grey dot, I've always understood to mean 'floor tile that you have seen, but cannot now'?
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17:17 <VaderFLAG> Yeah, that's my understanding
17:17 <VaderFLAG> Was there a surprise lava situation?
17:17 <VaderFLAG> Maybe that pit fiend made some especially for you
17:18 <Graznop> Yes. I reviewed the ttyrec. When I saw the tile it had a salamander on it - presumably these are so big they hide the lava
17:19 <Looksfar> Do giant characters have an increased nutrition burn rate?  In my anecdotal experience it seems so, but it may just be my imagination.
17:19 <Graznop> Other tiles covered in poison clouds were not revealed (stayed no colour) unless they had a fire elemental move across them, in which case they were revealed as lava
17:20 <amateurhour> I think so Looksfar, I get that impression as well
17:21 <Looksfar> It makes sense I suppose, big bodies
17:21 <amateurhour> but I don't think it's intentional if it is true, because K2 didn't purposefully add that
17:22 <Looksfar> That last run where I was short on food, I had no ring or amulet but was constantly hungry
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18:02 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] Looksfar (Mon Gia Mal Cha) had a wooden broadsword entrusted to him by Huan Ti, on T:2637
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18:20 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] Looksfar (Mon Gia Mal Cha) became literate by reading Pyramids, on T:3229
18:24 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] Looksfar (Mon Gia Mal Cha) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:3453
18:25 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] Looksfar (Mon Gia Mal Cha) chose a runed broadsword to be named "Orcrist", on T:3453
18:28 <qt> ok i think i see le problem
18:28 <qt> with the light source thing Graznop encountered
18:29 <qt> i guess amateurhour already saw it or was very close
18:31 <Looksfar> K2 I can confirm that your patch from earlier addresses the problem of abusing your alignment when defending yourself against the elves summoned when naming Sting or Orcrist.
18:31 <Looksfar> Just went through those scenarios again, killed them with no alignment hit.
18:36 <qt> it looks like this kind of crash will happen if there's a level file on disk that contains whatever scenario causes the place_monster impossible, and also an active light source
18:37 <qt> because the order is (1) grab all the light sources, which contain info about their monster/object IDs, (2) try to place all the monsters onto the level, (3) find the mon/obj for each light source ID and change the light sources to have pointers
18:38 <qt> the 'placing %s over %s' impossible happened while the light sources in memory still had the IDs instead of the pointers, and for some reason the pline triggered a full vision recalculation (why is that in vpline?)
18:38 <qt> so it tried to look at all the light sources, assuming they had ptrs instead of IDs, and things went badly
18:38 <qt> basically the real problem is the fact monsters keep getting placed on top of one another somehow
18:41 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Wiz Orc Mal Cha), 509 points, T:944, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted gnome king
18:43 <Looksfar> I'm impressed by you folks' coding skill
18:45 <aosdict> such is the way of the variant ronin
18:45 <qt> well my conclusion is 'monsters are being placed on top of each other' which i have been unable to figure out for a long time lol
18:46 <Looksfar> It's always satisfying to track down a bug that's been plaguing you for a while
18:46 <qt> i bet that will be something really simple
18:47 <qt> yeah Looksfar it definitely is
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19:24 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Wiz Orc Fem Cha), 3386 points, T:2423, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted owlbear
19:26 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Elf Mal Cha), 114 points, T:192, killed by a boulder
19:39 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 208 points, T:673, killed by a giant mimic
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19:57 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] Mosh (Con Dwa Mal Cha), 363 points, T:1518, killed by a bone dagger
19:57 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Gno Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (two random monsters from class m), on T:2680
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20:03 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Gno Mal Cha), 958 points, T:3527, zombified by a kobold zombie, while helpless
20:16 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 1665 points, T:1988, killed by a piranha
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20:32 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 1884 points, T:1925, zombified by a hobbit zombie
20:34 <Graznop> !tell qt I think the disappearing dragon was maybe the sandestin referenced in the error message - it happened before: https://termbin.com/avg7
20:34 <Hecubus_> Will do, Graznop!
20:47 <bouquet_> aren't hobbits supposed to start with a tinning kit?
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21:01 <bouquet_> oh, I ended up as a gnome... weird
21:18 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Tou Gno Fem Neu) averted death (killed by a jumping spider), on T:2615
21:55 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Arc Hob Fem Law), 1779 points, T:3659, killed by a rock gnome
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22:17 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Arc Hob Fem Law), 668 points, T:1439, killed by a kitten
22:35 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Arc Hob Fem Law), 438 points, T:1302, killed by a werejackal, while sleeping
22:41 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] Mosh (Con Dwa Mal Cha), 146 points, T:482, killed by a water moccasin
22:45 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] Mosh (Con Dwa Mal Cha), 430 points, T:615, killed by a wand
22:47 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] Mosh (Con Dwa Fem Cha), 8 points, T:264, killed by a newt
22:53 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] Mosh (Con Dwa Mal Cha), 624 points, T:699, crunched in the head by an iron ball
22:54 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Gno Mal Cha), 1739 points, T:4867, killed by a warg, while praying
22:57 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] Mosh (Con Dwa Mal Cha), 76 points, T:530, killed by a boulder
22:59 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] Mosh (Con Dwa Mal Cha), 84 points, T:538, killed by a newt
23:01 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Gno Fem Cha), 270 points, T:1367, killed by Mr. Corsh; the shopkeeper, while sleeping
23:22 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] Mosh (Con Dwa Mal Cha) became literate by engraving "Elbereth!", on T:3958
23:24 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] Mosh (Con Dwa Mal Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a wererat, on T:4267
23:26 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Thoth, on T:3437
23:26 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] Mosh (Con Dwa Mal Cha), 1508 points, T:4631, killed by a rothe, while fainted from lack of food
23:28 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 3406 points, T:3595, killed by a killer bee, while praying
23:33 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Tou Gno Fem Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a wererat, on T:4496
23:42 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Tou Gno Fem Neu), 2429 points, T:5181, killed by a wolf
23:51 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Arc Hob Fem Law), 5559 points, T:5434, killed by a warg
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