00:17 -!- Pinkbeas1 has joined #evilhack 01:15 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:15 [hdf-us] [evil] Looksfar (Mon Gia Mal Cha) killed Aphrodite, on T:25343 01:33 [hdf-eu] [evil] Tomsod (Inf Elf Mal Una) averted death (killed by a chameleon imitating a master lich), on T:6604 01:43 -!- Looksfar has quit [Quit: Looksfar] 02:43 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 02:49 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 03:09 -!- amateurhour has joined #evilhack 04:22 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 6724 points, T:8501, killed by a freezing sphere's explosion 04:44 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 2371 points, T:5290, killed by a giant mosquito 04:44 Well, that was an interesting experiment. 04:45 Had a ring of slow digestion, and a spell of create monster. Basically just checked out how long I could survive, playing distractedly, just creating and killing monsters. 04:45 But got a bit overwhelmed :) 05:29 -!- Graznop has joined #evilhack 05:32 -!- joes has joined #evilhack 05:50 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 05:57 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 06:25 [hdf-eu] [evil] joes (Mon Elf Mal Neu) had a wormwood staff entrusted to him by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:6995 06:25 whoops, what did I get? 06:26 [hdf-eu] [evil] joes (Mon Elf Mal Neu), 6629 points, T:6995, killed by an Angel of Shan Lai Ching 06:27 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 06:27 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 06:34 -!- Graznop has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:35 -!- Graznop has joined #evilhack 06:35 joes: it's one of the new magical staffs. Useful 06:41 -!- Graznop has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:57 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 06:58 Not useful enough, evidently. :( 07:01 -!- Graznop has joined #evilhack 07:08 [hdf-us] [evil] ligang (Val Hum Fem Neu) murdered her faithful large cat, on T:4251 07:10 [hdf-us] [evil] ligang (Val Hum Fem Neu), 3216 points, T:4309, killed by a gnomish wizard 07:12 -!- tinklebear has quit [*.net *.split] 07:12 -!- VaderFLAG has quit [*.net *.split] 07:12 -!- Not-4bf1 has quit [*.net *.split] 07:15 -!- tinklebear has joined #evilhack 07:15 -!- VaderFLAG has joined #evilhack 07:15 -!- Not-4bf1 has joined #evilhack 07:37 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Pri Gia Fem Neu) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:41976 07:52 -!- rebatela has quit [*.net *.split] 07:54 -!- Pinkbeas2 has joined #evilhack 07:57 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Pri Gia Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:42351 08:00 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Pri Gia Fem Neu) killed the Rat King, on T:42462 08:27 [hdf-eu] [evil] amateurhour (Mon Gia Mal Cha) had a broadsword entrusted to him by Huan Ti, on T:5903 08:28 :| 08:32 that's the only thing I don't like about playing monk - so many useless gifts 08:32 [hdf-eu] [evil] amateurhour (Mon Gia Mal Cha) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:6464 08:33 I'm trying a little altar camping and it's sooooo boring 08:39 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Rog Hum Fem Neu) had a bone helmet entrusted to her by Mog, on T:56609 08:46 VaderFLAG: unlocks skills though! 08:57 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Hard work pays off in the future, laziness pays off now] 09:02 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Rog Hum Fem Neu) had a small shield entrusted to her by Mog, on T:58359 09:16 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 09:21 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Rog Hum Fem Neu) killed Medusa, on T:59050 09:24 New best player monster name: Smoofamurt the Sorcerer 09:29 Anyone here name their dog Aeolus? 09:29 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Pri Gia Fem Neu) killed Cerberus, on T:43759 09:30 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 09:31 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Pri Gia Fem Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:43778 09:31 -!- qt has joined #evilhack 09:59 found bones with a mindlfayer priest who had killed the player. they are aligned but was upset and started draining my int. I managed to get away, but is there any pacifying the priest so i can buy protection? I'm guessing no, but i forget 09:59 minetown temple 10:00 maybe i will find genocide soon... 10:03 Nope 10:03 If the temple was desecrated it's a complete loss 10:08 yeah that's what i thought 10:08 thanks 10:09 surprised i even got away. drained my int to 5. I left a bunch of spellbooks there that i couldn't carry (including charm monster) 10:11 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Pri Gia Fem Neu) killed Geryon, on T:44228 10:32 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Rog Hum Fem Neu) had Cleaver bestowed upon her by Mog, on T:60278 10:35 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Arc Hob Fem Law) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:4924 10:41 [hdf-us] [evil] ligang (Val Hum Fem Neu) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Odin, on T:1274 10:43 -!- Pinkbeas2 has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:43 -!- Pinkbeas1 has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:53 [hdf-us] [evil] ligang (Val Hum Fem Neu) had a pair of fencing gloves entrusted to her by Odin, on T:2507 10:55 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Pri Gia Fem Neu) killed Dispater, on T:44658 10:59 TFW Mog gifts you a thick skull; suggestion, compliment or insult? 11:01 [hdf-us] [evil] ligang (Val Hum Fem Neu) became literate by engraving "E", on T:3078 11:01 heh 11:06 -!- Chris__ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:10 [hdf-us] [evil] ligang (Val Hum Fem Neu) had a dagger entrusted to her by Odin, on T:3833 11:33 [hdf-eu] [evil] joes (Wiz Gno Mal Cha) became literate by reading a book, on T:3790 11:36 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Rog Hum Fem Neu) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Mog, on T:62537 11:38 -!- Looksfar has joined #evilhack 11:42 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Pri Gia Fem Neu) killed Orcus, on T:45072 11:44 -!- Chris__ANG has joined #evilhack 11:47 I've still got shopless conduct intact because I was made invisible before minetown 11:48 So I've found a portal that's taken me to a frozen realm with lots of ice creatures...pretty cool! 11:49 nice 11:49 One question...I have reflection but not MR. Should I leave this until later? 11:50 I would personally leave that until later 11:50 But ultimately it's your call 11:50 You could look around a bit without MR. The stuff you'd want to avoid won't be a surprise 11:51 Sounds good. I've managed to clear out the initial area, but from the journal I found there it sounds like there are some rough encounters ahead 12:14 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Rog Hum Fem Neu) killed Croesus, on T:63956 12:16 > However, you maneuver over it. 12:17 followed by a prompt asking if I do so 12:18 player giant boulder stuff? 12:18 yeah, in soko 12:19 yeah, that message doesn't scan for me either... better: "you *could* manoeuver over it" 12:21 Yeah, it's a mild typo 12:21 * tinklebear rolls dice to determine vowels in middle syllables of words 12:21 Actually meant to bring it up but slipped my mind 12:22 [hdf-us] [evil] ligang (Val Hum Fem Neu) destroyed the invisible Arahael's ghost, the former Conjurer, on T:6023 12:22 monsters spawning in the hallway as you're pushing boulders is still bs 12:23 worst is when it's coaligned unicorn 12:24 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Arc Hob Fem Law), 7768 points, T:7849, killed by a plains centaur, while praying 12:24 what would you use teleport wands for, if not for friendlies in soko hallways? 12:25 totally useless item otherwise 12:25 smh 12:28 [hdf-eu] [evil] amateurhour (Mon Gia Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, acquiring a silver amulet of reflection, on T:12620 12:28 yay 12:28 meh 12:29 silver tho, neat 12:30 still can't use shops 12:32 "oReflection is pretty darn useful for a giant monk 12:32 I think I'd rather have amulet of MR 12:32 ^ 12:32 reflection you can get via DBane or a shield at least 12:32 or even the spell 12:32 You try to move the boulder, but in vain. However, you could maneuver over it.--More-- 12:32 ^ made a slight change there 12:33 I didn't say I wouldn't prefer MR, but I'm not gonna kick reflection out of bed for eating crackers 12:33 👍 12:33 haha true 12:33 Looksfar: I know :B 12:33 I'm actually at a point where I'm kinda stuck because I don't have MR 12:33 you're welcome for the free bug report, the next one will cost 1 bobble hats for doggos 12:34 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:4203 12:35 is there any other way for me to lose invis than teabagging a magic trap? 12:35 Smoky potions in my game are monster detection, I might start guzzling those to try for a wish for something with MR 12:35 Giants are pretty limited in their options 12:35 You're a giant with reflection, just bash those shopkeepers over the head 12:35 Blessed monster detection is something I'd save for like, Gehennom and whatnot since those cumulative turns are damn useful 12:36 Far as losing invisibility I forget if gremlins can steal that 12:36 could do VaderFLAG, kind of tempted to just play shopless though 12:36 also dunno if artifacts that can toggle invis have any effect 12:36 so when I die I can be like 'eh it is because I didnt have access to shops' 12:37 (esp. considering we don't have Orb of Weight 2 here) 12:37 I want lots of holy water but can't price id these potions at all 12:37 Gotta try something Umbire...I'm not ready for Kaen, no Ludios in this run, and there's a titan hanging out down on Medusa's level 12:37 Woof 12:38 I'm talking ideal scenarios anyway, yours p. certainly differs 12:38 I do have the option of that frozen area, might end up trying that 12:38 Could also try digging down to Castle if you think your chances might be better there somehow 12:38 (they might not me) 12:38 Heh 12:38 With my luck there's a master lich hanging out down there 12:39 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Pri Gia Fem Neu) destroyed the invisible Vlad the Impaler, on T:45980 12:39 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Pri Gia Fem Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:45987 12:45 An irony for me is that I found a blessed SDSM on a player monster I fought. Just can't use it. :-p 12:46 amateurhour: the best thing I've found to do is find teleport control and just teleport in. they'll still price id for you if you're invisible (once you get in the shop) 12:48 looksfar: yeah... that's gonna happen a lot unfortunately! 12:49 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 2 commits to master [+0/-0/±5] https://git.io/JiQK0 12:49 [EvilHack] k21971 a839915 - Fix: 'could maneuver over it' vs 'maneuver over it' in Sokoban. 12:49 [EvilHack] k21971 9b51f08 - Merge branch 'master' of github.com:k21971/EvilHack 12:50 looksfar: i had the same problem yesterday. Badly needed magic resistance, and wasn't ready for Kaen. Ultimately ended up dying to him 12:51 those monster detection potions are super useful for astral, but yeah if ya need a wish... they were smoky for me yesterday too and I thought of doing that. Kinda wished I had tried now 12:53 so they did result in a wish after all 12:56 heh 13:13 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±4] https://git.io/Ji7rf 13:13 [EvilHack] k21971 cc8565e - Fix: cases where an artifact would be silently removed from the game. 13:14 been waiting for that one to drop 13:15 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Arc Hob Fem Law), 2614 points, T:1926, killed by a giant cockroach 13:15 Oh that's interesting 13:16 Is the size item drop sensibility check a new thing? Just thinking about when a bee dropped sunsword 13:19 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Rog Hum Fem Neu) had Werebane bestowed upon her by Mog, on T:65800 13:22 hymenoptera are very strong for their size! 13:23 they are the socialist realism poster girls of the insect realm 13:25 I saw your death message yesterday, rebatela...sorry about that. Any tips on ways to properly prepare? Beyond getting MR, obviously. :-p 13:27 K2: last one reminds me, bouquet got cheated out of a Snickersnee apparently 13:27 Dunno what happened with that 13:28 cheated? in what way 13:29 Supposed to be guaranteed first sac gift for a samurai, and it didn't happen. 13:29 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Arc Hob Fem Law), 357 points, T:1148, killed by a giant bat 13:29 right. if he didnt get it, it was already generated elsewhere 13:29 bouquet looked all over the place to see if it was a bones, but couldn't find one 13:29 Probably underwater in a mines level or some nonsense like that 13:29 it could very well have fallen under scenario of what this commit fixes 13:29 Ah, that makes sense 13:30 or in a walled off closet with a teleport scroll 13:30 or it could be in a statue somewhere 13:31 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Arc Hob Fem Law), 41 points, T:179, killed by a boulder 13:35 grats on vanilla PR qt 13:37 Looksfar: what do you usually get before kaen? 13:41 As much as humanly possible, amateurhour 13:42 MR for certain, reflection if at all possible, /oD if I can, /oS otherwise 13:42 Cursed !oParalysis can help, but usually doesn't last long 13:42 Something to wake him from the upstair 13:42 MR and reflection? 13:42 [hdf-us] [evil] ligang (Val Hum Fem Neu), 26992 points, T:11518, suffocated by a water elemental, while sleeping 13:42 He has the full range of clerical spells 13:42 I can't think of a single time I had MR for kaen 13:43 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Arc Hob Fem Law), 389 points, T:828, killed by a piranha 13:43 !lastgame ligang 13:43 VaderFLAG: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/l/ligang/evilhack/dumplog/1635333205.evil.html 13:43 oh in dnh I guess I probably had MR for kaen 13:43 what clerical spells does MR protect against, just curse items? 13:44 I guess paralyze duration is reduced 13:44 Now that I think of it, it's not as critical as reflection in that fight 13:44 not that I've ever seen them cast paralyze tbh, they always seemed to spam geyser 13:44 Reflection for the lightning bolts 13:45 yeah you don't really need mr for kaen.. more helpful for potential poly traps in the quest. I'm usually just careful searching for them (as well as trap doors, although not a big deal as giant) 13:45 man I hate the monk quest haha 13:45 hitpoints, ac, free action, sleep spell/wanda are all pretty useful 13:46 i had crappy ac/hp 13:46 really could barely survive the xorns/elementals. had to keep running and healing etc. 13:46 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 13:46 i was also super tired irl 13:46 aosdict: definitely a team effort 13:46 [hdf-eu] [evil] stenno (Sam Gia Fem Law), 837 points, T:590, killed by a piranha 13:49 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Rog Hum Fem Neu) genocided antimatter vortices, on T:66550 13:51 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Arc Hob Fem Law), 138 points, T:652, killed by a goblin 13:52 Damn, dramborleg is intelligent? STop evading me! 13:53 typical, read 6 blessed id and the _last one_ does full id 13:53 lmfao 13:53 so dumb 13:54 I've gone through a dozen blessed ID and had exactly one full so far 13:54 Grrrr 13:56 -!- mobileuser has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 13:57 [hdf-eu] [evil] amateurhour (Mon Gia Mal Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a queen bee, on T:15661 14:19 vaderflag: heh. yeah i found it the other day again too (couldn't pick up) 14:19 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Rog Hum Fem Neu) wished for "magic marker", on T:66987 14:26 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 14:27 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Rog Hum Fem Neu) had a steel dwarvish spear entrusted to her by Mog, on T:67457 14:28 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 14:42 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Inf Ith Fem Una), 867 points, T:1990, zombified by a dwarf zombie, while praying 14:43 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Arc Hob Fem Law), 4422 points, T:3536, killed by a bolt of lightning 14:45 [hdf-eu] [evil] amateurhour (Mon Gia Mal Cha) killed Master Kaen, on T:22026 14:45 [hdf-eu] [evil] amateurhour (Mon Gia Mal Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:22028 14:46 yay! 14:46 You have never abused your alignment. 14:47 alrighty now I have total freedom to murder etc 14:47 \o/ 14:47 I should probably get better than -3 ac 14:55 It's weird, mine says I've seriously abused my alignment, but I have no idea how 14:55 I've never attacked a peaceful 14:55 are you chaotic? did you heal your pet? 14:56 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Rog Hum Fem Neu) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:69372 14:56 Yes and yes 14:56 That abuses alignment? 14:56 yeah 14:57 unless it was removed specifically in evilhack 14:57 Well, fuck. 14:57 Didn't know that. 14:57 I'll check, because it might have been changed last time someone complained 15:00 oh it seems to have been changed 15:01 so it's not that that's owned your alignment 15:01 it was a vanilla thing 15:02 is there anything at all in this table that you can remember doing? https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Alignment_record#Ways_to_alter_your_alignment 15:02 could have been a non-tame peaceful hit by the crossfire of the healing beam 15:02 true 15:02 like a monster standing behind your pet 15:02 I wish there was a sign that you'd lost alignment so there'd be less mystery or something 15:03 like tutting from your deity 15:03 that would be a good wizard mode option 15:03 for debugging 15:03 it wouldn't be too bad as a non-wizard mode option defaulted to off tbh 15:04 then the unpaid beta testers could enable it and play as usual and we could grep ttyrecs to learn what the common unknown things are 15:05 "As a chaotic non-Healer, casting a healing spell on a pet or peaceful creature, per creature." 15:05 I guess that would be it 15:05 in evilhack that's disabled for pets though 15:05 so it's only if you heal a peaceful non-pet 15:06 I'm wondering now too...I've zapped a wand of light or cast that spell a few times, and saw a message that sounded like I'd attacked something 15:06 Wonder if that did it 15:06 i don't think that would hurt your alignment, but if you angered a monster by casting the spell, then they attacked you and you killed them 15:06 that would be an alignment hit 15:06 I'd never had a problem with that in vanilla 15:07 Well, gremlins get hurt by light, but that seems different 15:07 yeah k2 made it so that light always burns people's eyes and makes them blind 15:08 i guess vanilla light is a dinky little bulb, evilhack you have a five million lumen spotlight 15:08 I'm guessing therein lies my problem then 15:08 Hopefully I'm not screwed by it 15:08 yeah I don't think that action itself will hurt your alignment, but if you kill a formerly-peaceful monster that was angered by it... 15:09 worst case you'll have to temporarily give up the quest artifact 15:09 qt: not always, but a chance of 15:09 yeah, i meant always as in 'there's no way to cast light without having a chance of blinding monsters near you' 15:09 nice save 15:09 :) 15:09 :P 15:10 i still think it would be good as something that you can access via BUC but not something that's mandatory 15:10 surprised no one has put this up on the wiki, what wand/spell of light can potentially do 15:10 i like light as a utility spell bc i like to freshen up the dungeon 15:10 is centaur knight jousting mentioned on the wiki? 15:11 doubt it 15:11 i know you can just be very careful with your positioning but i would be too scared to do that lol 15:11 Basically I can't use that spell now unless I'm totally alone 15:11 Good to know 15:11 how are you meant to LookFar if there's no light in the dungeon :(( 15:12 if there isn't a peaceful monster right next to you i think it's safe? 15:12 Looksfar not true 15:12 but yeah like I said, I would still be too nervous to try it with anyone nearby, even knowing it should be safe 15:12 its distance based 15:12 as long as you're a couple tiles away, you're fine 15:12 Hahaha amateurhour 15:13 I need the Eyes of the Overworld, obviously 15:13 k2 if i try to rely on that i will 100% anger someone the one time i forget to check 15:13 So here's another thing though...does using a wand of undead turning on a creature count as healing? 15:13 welcome to evilhack 15:13 Looksfar no 15:13 'Cause I've used that wand frequently on a suicidal pet 15:13 OK, thanks K2 15:14 it shouldnt... 15:14 Guess I'll find out, I'm fond of this pet 15:14 it's just healing 15:14 not reviving 15:15 I have no idea what the capabilities of a giant crocodile really are, but it kills annoying shopkeepers for me so I like it 15:15 you can farlook it to see what it does 15:15 k2 you should also make healing wake all nearby monsters if you use it on an odd-numbered turn 15:15 also in this channel you can type @e?giant crocodile 15:15 that would be a fun challenge 15:16 I'm trying to avoid the wiki and bots, amateurhour 15:16 okay, you can farlook in the actual game to get info 15:16 I'm trying to play EH as a virgin to the variant 15:16 ...which explains why I'm dying a lot 15:16 disable the in-game lookup thing amateurhour mentioned so that you can use the encyclopedia 15:17 imo 15:17 i think it's fun to get hints from the encyclopedia if you want to avoid explicitly spoilering yourself on monster abilities 15:17 Looksfar: if you farlook, move cursor on top of a monster, then press : 15:17 oh I thought you were joking qt 15:17 but it's exactly the same as looking them up on the wiki 15:17 i disable it 15:18 i can't remember what the option is called, !lookup_data maybe? 15:18 I never knew how to do that, so I'm safe 15:18 wow you actually did disable it 15:18 I went to check your rc file because I couldn't tell if you were joking or not 15:18 haha 15:19 how foolish of me to assume the creator of readable hawaiian shirts would fool around with serious topics such as monster lookup 15:19 I apologise 15:20 lol 15:20 !)$(*!#@$)( 15:20 dont anger the shirt-maker 15:20 I was literally 2 kills from leveling up and hit a polytrap 15:20 i begged k2 not to add it so he gave me an option to disable it as a compromise 15:20 Just lost 50K xp 15:20 rip 15:21 Looksfar: that sucks 15:21 Now I really am boned 15:21 Sigh 15:22 why boned? 15:22 you can start the quest earlier 15:22 I started it at xlvl 12 just now and went to kill kaen 15:22 you're a giant monk as well right? 15:22 you can start the quest as early as exp level 10 15:22 it increases monster generation or something if you do it early, right? 15:23 yup 15:23 2x 15:23 yeah but finishing the quest does the same thing so yolo 15:23 which means you can level up quick :P 15:23 so start the quest if you want to altar camp? 15:23 sure 15:23 -!- joes has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:23 i think when i have gotten to the quest before i was too scared to do it early :) 15:24 I think finishing the quest is the same rate change isn't it 15:24 so it really doesn't matter 15:24 I needed the level to get shock resistance 15:24 depending on your squishiness factor, it might pay to wait 15:24 but at least you have the option 15:24 Kaen would likely wreck me atm 15:24 do they stack? 2x * 2x = 4x? or it just sets it to 2x the original rate each time? 15:24 Looksfar: do you have two scrolls of earth? 15:25 qt - https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/blob/master/src/allmain.c#L242 15:25 oh, interesting 15:25 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Rog Hum Fem Neu) defeated the invisible Kathryn the Ice Queen, on T:70288 15:26 haha what, if you level up to 14 the rate goes down again? 15:26 brb 15:26 no 15:26 amateurhour yes I do, you're thinking a boulder fort? 15:26 yeah Looksfar, that's what I just did not too long ago 15:27 ((quest_status.got_quest || quest_status.got_thanks) 15:27 && u.ulevel < 14))) 15:27 K2: it does look that way 15:27 formatting owned me there 15:27 it's not "if you got the quest at before level 14", it's "if you have gotten the quest and are currently below level 14" 15:27 right? 15:27 yeah that's what I'm reading 15:27 I might try that, would need to go grab a bunch of ranged weapons. Just camp in the fort until the xorns and elementals are cleared out, then ranged on Kaen. That could work. 15:28 what I just did was, scroll of earth immediately upon going down 15:28 dropped scare monster to make the xorns go away while I killed earth elementals and stair danced to regen hp 15:28 then I moved down a couple of squares and read another scroll of earth (so I was in line with kaen) 15:28 Aklys works well from behind boulders too, if you have warning 15:29 then woke him up by zapping a wand 15:29 moved back to the stairs spot, zapped him with sleep till it hit 15:29 then went out of the fort and punched him to death 15:29 aklys is probably smarter haha 15:31 that was with -3 ac so the xorns and earth elementals on the quest were pretty awful 15:31 what's the plural of aklys? 15:31 akles? aklydes? 15:31 I can't even spell aklys right half the time despite it only having 5 letters 15:31 If it's Greek, I think aklydes 15:31 I think it's latin for 'roman butt javelin' 15:32 I'll fight anyone that says otherwise 15:32 https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/aclys i guess it is aklydes 15:32 or 'aclydes' 15:32 ...you all realize what nerds we are, right? 15:32 * amateurhour gasps 15:32 actually, im cool 15:34 makeplural needs aklydes in there 15:35 aklydes don't stack, but fruitname? this is obviously critical 15:35 qt u have a vanilla, follow ur dreams 15:37 i have to admit, "aklydes" has zero relevant google results, "aklyses" has a number of D&D related sites 15:38 feature request: when you examine a corpse in invent it tells you whether it's vegetarian/vegan and whether it counts as same-race 15:39 i guess it would be added to the output when you examine a monster? 15:39 [hdf-eu] [evil] amateurhour (Mon Gia Mal Cha) had an ironshod staff entrusted to him by Huan Ti, on T:22969 15:39 the data you get when you look at a corpse is the same as when you look up a monster right? 15:43 hah 15:43 oh yeah we're all nerds 15:43 and proud of it 15:44 'roman butt javelin' hahahah 15:45 [hdf-eu] [evil] amateurhour (Mon Gia Mal Cha) had a pair of falconry gloves entrusted to him by Huan Ti, on T:23632 15:50 finally a good gift 15:50 +5 gaunts of protection 15:50 what were they 15:50 woo 15:50 but I kinda want to keep using gop for now 15:50 +0 gop :) 15:51 I'm not really noticing much bonus chance of gifts for never abusing alignment 15:51 thought it'd be a bit more dramatic 15:53 still got shopless conduct 16:01 [hdf-eu] [evil] amateurhour (Mon Gia Mal Cha) had Dragonbane bestowed upon him by Huan Ti, on T:25488 16:01 heheheheheheh 16:01 HEHEHEHEHEHEHEH 16:01 Nice nice nice 16:02 Ballin' 16:02 yay amateurhour! 16:03 sweet 16:05 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Rog Hum Fem Neu) had a pair of walking shoes entrusted to her by Mog, on T:72350 16:07 [hdf-us] [evil] Looksfar (Mon Gia Mal Cha) killed Master Kaen, on T:32566 16:08 yay \o/ 16:08 how did it go Looksfar 16:08 [hdf-us] [evil] Looksfar (Mon Gia Mal Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:32577 16:09 Worked like a charm up until I ran out of ranged weapons and wands 16:09 Managed to sleep him long enough to get in position to finish him off, he still took me down to half health in two hits 16:10 woah 16:10 GJ! 16:10 Thanks a lot for the advice! 16:10 MR obtained :) 16:10 I only used one scroll of earth, I had a cursed pot of invisibility 16:10 ah nice 16:11 I just grokked that you can throw boulders from a boulder fort 16:11 Oh yeah... the eyes have MR 16:11 my brain is doubling in size 16:11