00:00 I've only learned what I can about EH from playing and occasionally chatting here 00:01 Haven't tried an illithid yet, but will take your word for it :) 00:02 Just came across an illithid shopkeeper, scared me to death to see the purple h on level 3 00:02 They're *really* hard. One fo the best spellcasters. But... 00:02 Their appallingly pathetically low St is not a problem - maxes out at 10. 00:02 The real probblem is their very low CON. 00:02 Low HP and can't carry anything? 00:03 And can't hit much, because they're weak as ****. 00:03 Oh, and can't wear metal helms except for mithril, because then you can't use their psionic attack. 00:03 Which... Is also weak, but early game works well. 00:04 It's boulder-fort compatible, the damage is the main thing that sucks but it ignores AC 00:04 Also I'm p. sure Kaen doesn't have sleep res 00:04 Seems like you'd be better served to play a different race and polymorphing into a flaer? 00:05 Player illithids lean into the "squishy wizard" deal and are more late-game ballers than anything 00:05 I tried sleep on Kaen before. That run ended badly, probably because the sleep tends to last 1 turn 00:05 You get flight at uh... 00:05 XL 12? 00:05 Looksfar: They have crazy high Int and generally good Wiz. 00:05 Yeah, XL 12, I think. 00:05 Looksfar: Oh, Evilhack buffs monks, btw. They just accumulate intrinsics and awesome stuff almost all the way up to XL 30. 00:06 Yeah Evil monks are way way better 00:06 And illithids are flayer-proof themselves to boot 00:06 I dunno, just when I start enjoying a run I get slobberknocked by something 00:06 ...do the helm of telepathy and brilliance block psionics? 00:06 That cyan U thing was just beyond the pale 00:06 🤔 I'd think at least one of them wouldn't 00:07 I mean yeah those are horrors though 00:07 those ruin everyone's day 00:07 (except mine, somehow) 00:07 I've yet to meet one in this ongoing dwarf knight 00:07 Looksfar: I once had a shambling horror that was basically a *phasing* beholder. 00:07 It means that your success is based on the pure, dumb luck of not running into one 00:07 Not entirely 00:07 I despise games that are based on dumb luck 00:07 You could also get horrors that are just piddly as all shit 00:08 I empathize, mind you 00:08 Looksfar: In evil, you do need to buff yourself as much as possible and be paranoid. I don't think a speedrun is *possible*. 00:08 What's the turncount like normally by the castle? 50k or thereabouts? 00:08 That said you do have a lot of p. nutty offensive options 00:08 That much fits my style at least. I'm way into over-preparation 00:08 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law), 13967 points, T:6378, poisoned by an orcish arrow 00:09 ...making a mental note to look out for beholders 00:09 If they're anything like DnD, that sounds verra bad 00:09 Looksfar: I've heard of one player habitually just playing the entire game blind just in case they walk into one. 00:09 You usually see them before they (literally) see you, and given their whole thing is gazes you at least have a basic idea of how to deal 00:10 Towel 4tw? 00:10 Yep. Towel. 00:10 Looksfar: Oh, and did you hear the monks have been buffed? So, too, has their quest artifact. 00:10 Looksfar: The quest artifact will shield you from most (all?) gaze attacks. 00:11 Yeah gaze attacks no longer just own your shit 00:11 That's spiffy 00:11 Let's see if I can survive to find out :) 00:11 Someone was mentioning a really cool artifact =oFA too 00:12 I won't spoil that for you 00:12 Grazzi 00:12 I will, however, confirm that it is really cool 00:12 I'm hoping to run across a lot of artifacts, just to try 'em out 00:13 Zero across...seven runs? so far 00:13 But most of them have ended early, so there is that 00:16 Looksfar: Wishing for artifacts no-longer depends on how many you have in the game - only on how many you've wished. But... 50/50 chance they come with the owner. 00:16 Ooooo... 00:16 So a quest arti could come with the nemesis? 00:17 Looksfar: If you don't mind spoilers, strongly suggest checking out the evilhack page on the wiki. And yes, they can and often do. 00:17 I'm avoiding the wiki 00:17 Yeah, Evilhack leans heavily into assuming you have yourself spoiled on vanilla, at minimum 00:17 I'm vanilla spoiled for sure 00:17 So I'm not a babe in the woods 00:17 But do note that everyone (and I mean everyone) has been buffed 00:17 *especially* the demon princes. 00:17 Yeah, figured that out the first time I got zombified :-p 00:18 lol 00:18 Pfft, zombies. They smell, but... ;) 00:18 "Oh look, a zombie! I'll go up and whack it! What? It bit me? WTFablblduuhh brains... 00:18 That is to say, artifacts do come with their owners - quest leaders, not nemeses, I'll say that much. 00:19 Oh, neat! Ok, I'll have to try that. As soon as RNG delivers up a /oW... 00:20 Umbire: Shall we spoil him about those? 00:21 Looksfar: Lets just say it's probably best not to depend on the RNG for anything. :) 00:22 Let's not unless he requests 00:22 I haven't played around with sacrifice at all yet. I'll have to see if I get any goodies that way. Since I'm not wishing, sounds like that's not as limiting in EH. 00:22 Nice thing about a monk tho, not really that gear-dependent. 00:22 Just... be prepared to make the most of what you get - sacrificing can go a hell of a long way though 00:23 I do think the WoW thing is p. worth knowing ahead of time, granted, but still 00:23 * arahael waits patiently for Looksfar to ask about it. 00:24 I won't...thanks tho :) I probably already heard too much. 00:24 You folks are great for sharing though, appreciate it! 00:24 * arahael forces his breath out slowly. 00:25 Np 00:30 Think I found a lamp of darkness? Seems to cut out light 00:31 Maybe good against yellow lights or some nasty based on them 00:31 Those aren't a thing 00:31 They should be :C 00:31 But no, just an existing item with a different effect 00:32 That effect isn't in the wiki yet, is it? 00:32 (It's relatively new) 00:32 Looksfar: Oh, and that's the other thing about evil. It's updated frequently. :D 00:33 Yeah, I've been adding a bunch of the stuff to the wiki for that purpose 00:33 ...until K2 burns out and retires to Tahiti? 00:33 Generally whenever kaytoo feels something is too easy, he nerfs it. 00:33 (which I know you don't plan to look at, but know that more stuff'll be there) 00:33 Psh, it ain't that often 00:33 Umbire: I'm still sore about no-longer having effectively infinite wraiths on one of hte levels! 00:34 lmao, RIP 00:34 Best monk ever. Get to that level. Lure every single wraith out. And by the time they're extincted, you're at XL 30. 00:34 Looksfar: Nerfed, btw. No more infinite-wraith levels. 00:35 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Inf Ith Fem Una) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:4670 00:35 I'm trying for vegan anyway :) 00:35 (we'll see how long that lasts) 00:35 Damn, you make it hard. :D 00:35 I'm happy enough if I merely survive. 00:38 ...oh yeah. 00:39 Wraiths are really the only drawback for a vegan monk, you get most everything you need by lv17 w/o it 00:39 You probably noticed, but Monks actually care about their restrictions now. 00:39 One of my runs my conduct said something about abusing my alignment I think 00:39 Dunno what I did, but presumably broke a monkly conduct 00:40 Looksfar: There's plenty you still want after lv17 00:41 Ah, cool! Something to look forward to, if I don't die horribly 00:41 Yeah, abusing your alignment is also something you'll actually wanna care about 00:41 ...be lucky if my Knight even gets his QA 00:41 Umbire: Sssh! Spoilers! 00:41 Oop--- 00:41 🤐 00:41 Oh yeah, could be tough for a knight. Not attacking helpless amongst other things 00:42 I'll have to remember to setup MSGSTOPs and highlights for those 00:42 Heh. 00:42 Looksfar: I've already said it, but you really do want to get all the way to XL 30. 00:42 Oh lovely, a river. Heeeere piranha piranha piranha... 00:48 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Inf Ith Fem Una), 8685 points, T:7262, killed by a fire ant 00:49 Go team a! 00:50 Oooh, the lamp of darkness is cursed. Probably a cursed magical lamp. That makes sense. 00:50 Aye 00:51 I actually always wondered why a cursed lamp is just harder to light. This makes more sense. 01:05 -!- Chris__ANG has joined #evilhack 01:09 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:15 [hdf-us] [evil] Looksfar (Mon Gia Mal Cha) had a staff entrusted to him by Huan Ti, on T:3504 01:16 ....a quarterstaff? I'm a monk. 01:16 Sigh. So sacrifice gifts in EH can be bupkiss. Yuck. 01:16 Now you're unrestricted in quarterstaff! 01:17 Looksfar: Want a spoiler? 01:17 Pretty sure I already was :) 01:17 Oh sure, why not? 01:17 Looksfar: You have way more staffs in evilhack. 01:17 Different types. 01:17 Looksfar: And most are magical. 01:18 But if I'm not using weapons, it doesn't matter? Or should I be stashing these? 01:18 Looksfar: Definitely. 01:18 ...beyond the occasional ranged weapon, anyway. 01:18 Looksfar: Identify them, at least. 01:18 All righty. Thanks for the tip! 01:19 Looksfar: They're very useful for monks, even if you don't use them as a weapon. 01:19 ...at least it's a blessed quarterstaff. 01:19 They can often be highly enchanted sometimes if they come as a sac gift. 01:20 I mean ideally you don't use weapons as a Monk, and EvilHack plays into that 01:20 ...buuuuuuuuuuuuut monks should at least have the to-hit penalties waived for weapons they can take skill in naturally. 01:20 I am adamant about this 01:21 Yeah, but there's other benefits staffs give, which Looksfar should be aware of. 01:21 Ye 01:22 Do you keep them in inventory, even if not using? 01:22 Shall I tell you the whole thing? 01:23 I think the best way to describe it without spoiling is that staves are a much bigger factor in spell-casting now 01:23 ^^ 01:23 Gotcha. Thanks, I likely would've had a hard time figuring that out. 01:24 Looksfar: There are LOADS of tricks and traps. :) 01:24 You need to question everything. 01:26 Including yes, that lamp of darkness. Good job. :) 01:28 Have to say, a bunch of zombies spawning in a temple is a chuckle. Priest kills them, they re-animate, priest kills them, etc. I want to sell popcorn. 01:29 Ah, minetown now. :) 01:30 I always manage to accidentally attack and anger the watch. :( 01:30 * arahael is a careless player. 01:32 Yeah, everything else in the dungeon is hostile to zombies and the reverse is true 01:33 Temples and shops works as indirect zombie containment as much as they do... targets for zombies 01:34 Zombies are initially terrifying, then later a great source of entertainment. 01:35 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #evilhack 01:37 -!- Chris__ANG has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:37 They still kill me many times. 01:38 Well, up past my bedtime. G'night, folks! 01:38 -!- Looksfar has quit [Quit: Zzzzz] 01:42 Nice dude. :) 01:47 Very 02:20 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 03:09 -!- amateurhour has joined #evilhack 04:00 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 9758 points, T:8863, killed by an owlbear 04:13 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) destroyed coplate's ghost, the former Conjurer, on T:1613 05:31 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:5760 05:48 -!- Umbire has quit [Quit: Umbire zaps a wand of digging!] 05:50 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 7790 points, T:7902, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted gargoyle 06:19 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 1587 points, T:2756, killed by a fire ant, while praying 06:19 The first two ants were fine, but the third... Too much. 06:53 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 07:25 Hmm. Fell down a deep shaft... Right onto dragonhide armour. Alright! 08:02 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 2228 points, T:1849, killed by a bolt of lightning 08:02 Well, that was just sad luck. 08:10 Woohoo! This new game starts with a ring of +1 gain constitution! 08:11 that brings me to 13 CON! 08:15 do illithid's have crapp con as well? 08:16 rebatela: Yes. They have max 12. 08:16 oh damn 08:16 rebatela: Which is the most difficult part of having an illithid. 08:16 The St is... Minor, really. You get used to it. 08:16 The Con seriously sucks. 08:16 yeah even with elf, my hp always sucked 08:17 you get used to str becuse you wish for power gloves lol 08:17 Ha, but even so. 08:18 And it's often a long while before you can get that wish. 08:18 kudos for sticking with that role. you should kick some seriuos ass when you play something easier... 08:19 rebatela: I'm looking forward to tnnt. 08:19 rebatela: I intend to do great monk. 08:20 sweet 08:20 yeah i haven't decided if i'm gonna geek out and play tnnt. might sit it out and just play me some evil lol 08:21 Nooo... Geek out. Get some cred. :) 08:21 i like seeing everyone else get excited for it, but i just can't get competitive about nethack. it's really a solitaire game for me 08:21 Yeah, besides, competing with the likes of OOTC is not fun. 08:21 Those people are... nuts... 08:22 Banging out an ascension every 3 hours. 08:25 is it worth trying to charge constitution rings? can you eat them? 08:25 you should play some tnnt 08:25 i probably will k2. i'm full of shit ;) 08:25 haha 08:26 rebatela: For an illithid, it might be worth it. Once you get to 12 adn below, bad things happen. 08:27 i used to wear them if i happened to have like a +3 or whatever when i leveled up, thinking it would help with maxhp but i never noticed a difference. so i guess i don't understand how it works. I guess it's more of a real-time thing? 08:28 like with regeneration? 08:28 It helps with regeneration, but particularly when you level up. 08:29 ok so you can eat them, but it only works WHILE you are still polymorphed (so kinda pointless) 08:29 same with str 08:30 Yeah, but again, str isn't a big deal by contrast. 08:30 i guess that would be kinda of OP although it lets you eat increase dmg and protection rings so who knows the thinking 08:31 i always try to remember to check inc. dmg material 08:31 never really have the ring slot to wear it much, but if you can swallow a bunch of them it's HUGE 08:37 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Ran Hum Mal Neu) killed Lolth, on T:83007 08:37 man i hope you get my bones vaderflag 08:37 With your nasty nasty pets? 08:38 hehe it'lll be worth it. just charm them ;) 08:38 oh you're a ranger 08:38 taming scrolls! 08:38 magic harp 08:38 It was the final demon lord level right? 08:38 yeah 08:39 Jealous how far you guys get :) 08:39 How do bones work with those, do they replace the special demon lord level, or the dungeon level it was on 08:39 i'm not sure. i've only had that situation with orcus which is always the same 08:40 maybe it's not even eligible? that would suck 08:40 it was Graz't't 08:40 arahael what's the farthest you've gotten 08:40 VaderFLAG: The bottomless cavern thing at the start of Vlad's. 08:41 oh no. did you fall? 08:41 no shame in that. i did 08:41 rebatela: I was riding pegasus. Pegasus died. :( 08:41 oh damn 08:41 haha oh nooooo 08:41 And at that point... I learned... Wow, that's bottomless! 08:41 i just stepped off into it 08:41 there's a much better warning these days 08:42 It's really weird because nothing else behaves like that. 08:42 Not even the wizard's tower. 08:42 I mean, at the quest, where you have to go across some sort of bridge. 08:43 oh man so many people have died there. i knew about it and still died 08:43 evil... 08:43 I think I've been there twice, died both times. 08:43 Out of... So... many... evil... games... 08:43 I usually play distracted or tired, which doesn't help. 08:43 Without looking how many evilhack games do you think you've played? 08:43 VaderFLAG: 1000? 08:44 yeah pretty much! 08:44 mostly illithid wizards it looks like 08:44 Yep 08:44 no knights! you should try knight 08:44 They're so fun. And I know! 08:45 But I want to nail this role. 08:45 wizard even regular wizard in vanilla is too squishy for me early game 08:45 sensible enough 08:45 Illithid is crazy weak. 08:46 i like monk because the early game is easy (they get armor, food and can fight) and you can cast everything eventually 08:46 Yep, but they're a bit more difficult once you get past the castle, imho, due to the armour restrictions. 08:46 my guess for me is about 250 08:46 My best evil games were centaur monks, but the lack of armour is hard. 08:47 nope, only 134 08:47 YOU need to play evilhack amateurhour 08:47 let's go 08:47 chop chop 08:47 paranoid water now. no excuses 08:47 I need to play anything haha, not really done much playing since june 08:47 :( 08:48 you're one of my favorite players. that makes me sad 08:48 at least tnnt is soon, I'll do some of that 08:48 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Ran Hum Mal Neu) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:83165 08:48 -!- bhaak has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:48 go team Teamsplat 08:48 ahhh so he's saving it for tnnt 08:54 I'll play a game of evilhack after work today maybe 08:56 Sensible. 09:01 > You feel that Anhur is displeased. 09:01 *sigh*. Game over. 09:02 No, I had a random potion of extra healing, unidentified. 09:03 reading the eating jewelelry page.. i'm definitely polypiling for magical breathing and eating it going forward... no more worries about water elementals/sea dragons etc. (please don't nerf. thanks) 09:05 only 20% chance of working, but i play long games and might be worth it rather than carrying 5 AoLs that i don't use 09:06 Would be worth it for evilhack, imho. 09:08 yeah the only thing that sucks about self poly is it messes with your stats 09:09 you can lose a ton of maxhp etc. if iirc 09:09 but i'm used to that with evil anyway 09:21 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 4855 points, T:5187, killed by an elven arrow, while praying 09:21 G'night. 09:22 G'day! 09:22 Are samurai the only giant role who can wear large splint mail? 09:23 I seem to think any giant can wear large splint mail. 09:23 That's what I hoped, but only seems to work for Samurai in wizmode 09:24 and it can't be a bug, because it's Monday! 09:24 Hmm, the evilhack page describing the new player role for giant: 09:24 > Giants cannot wear body armor, cloaks, or shirts. 09:24 Still, I'm not sure. I'd think they can wear large splint mail, but getting it is the issue. 09:26 I've come across a giant player monster Samurai with some very attractive looking armour, but he's peaceful 09:26 Graznop: There's also potentially Tiamat. 09:26 when that page about giants was written the splint mail didn't exist 09:26 Has this entry: 09:26 > Because Tiamat is so huge, the scales she drops are just large enough to fit a player playing as a giant. 09:26 not sure if it's only for samurais or not tho 09:27 rebatela: Yeah. 09:27 Graznop: So _if_ you manage to get Tiamat in your game, you then have 1/3 chance of getting the scales. 09:27 i've gottent the tiamat scales to drop twice (both times playing monk of course :( ) 09:27 Only one in four chance of Tiamat spawning though 09:28 So 1/12 chance, I think that's how the math works. 09:28 Thank you all for conjuring tiamat for me 09:28 haha 09:28 really? 09:28 yeah, though I think that means no bones 09:29 no Find the Lenses Treasure Hunt bones 09:29 hehe 09:29 you would have gotten eota without a search 09:29 Sleepies time for me. 09:29 plus 2 markers and a 1:2 WoW (if the spectre doesn't use the wishes) 09:29 nite arahael 09:30 g'night araheal 09:30 crazy it's like 1am there 09:31 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Ran Hum Mal Neu) killed Tiamat, on T:84838 09:31 w00t 09:31 Cool, scales - which I absolutely do not need 09:31 don't they give resistance to like everythign? 09:32 Yeah but I have all of them already, except stoning, but how often is that a problem 09:33 Anyway I'm not complaining, it's nice to see them finally! 09:39 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 09:43 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:10034 09:44 whoops 09:44 i don't care. staff of divination and i just learned identify early game. i'll take it 09:49 Graznop only giant samurai can wear large splint mail 09:50 K2 never gave a good reason why :-) 09:50 Thanks mobileuser, as I feared 09:50 my recomendation for playing a giant spellcaster is try to collect those magic staffs (since no robe) 09:51 I just imagine that large splint mail is too complicated for non-samurai giants ;-) 09:51 i've wanted to ascend that giant priest forever. wishing you luck! 09:51 What I really want is some MC 09:51 Took 25k turns to get around strength issues! 09:51 QA gives MC1 i think. also helps with the casting... 09:52 non-Sam Giants can still wear large splint 09:52 Just doesn't generate randomly, I don't think 09:52 cannot 09:52 ugh fuck it, hold on 09:53 Can't 09:53 yup 09:53 yes they can 09:53 I remember asking before, maybe misinterpreted the answer 09:53 no they can't 09:53 (just want to add to the argument. i don't really know) 09:53 lol 09:53 its because i kinda feel like a giant samurai with large splint mail is already kinda op 09:53 OP 09:53 so i restricted it to giant samurai only 09:53 yeah, that's not an in-universe reason 09:54 rebatela: wearing the QA means I cannot have an oilskin hat :( 09:54 besides, all giants have a chance at chromatic scales 09:54 yeah... i trade them out. usually have a HoB on hand but wear the mobileuser hat 09:55 At least this restriction means I'll use one less wish 09:55 <Umbire> Would also wager that large splint mail only fits giants 09:55 I probably misparsed your answer to the above, but bleh 09:56 simple enough fix though 09:58 Donezo 09:59 yes large splint mail only fits giants 09:59 it would be like your 4 year old kid trying to wear your adult sized hoodie 10:00 besides, its heavy, a diff race player wouldnt *want* to wear it 10:01 My giant priest wants to 10:01 i still think there should be a giant robe 10:02 i would like one IRL actually. sounds comfy 10:02 Or maybe be able to wear cloaks as blindfolds and get the magical effect, but at the cost of being blind 10:03 the staffs really help make up for no robe 10:03 A giant onesie :) 10:05 i need to find enchant armor or get a wish or something... i need magic resistance. could do the quest (in theory) but my hp and ac SUCK for that 10:06 -7 ac and 64 hp... not really cut out for earth elementals and xorns (nvm kaen) 10:08 it only fits giant samurai doesn't it 10:08 oh more backscroll consumed, yes 10:08 nope. anyone can wear it and monks get +to hit if they wear 10:09 haha 10:09 k2 already confirmed. catch up with your backscroll 10:10 chromatic dsm might still be worth wearing as giant monk 10:10 if you can get it 10:10 i've gotten it twice. i forget if i was giant. i might have been one of the times 10:11 like by the time you get it there's not many things you need to be punching to death 10:11 ehh i dunno.. that's still my goto lol 10:12 giant monk is so much fun. i was going to play giant next, but i'm pissed about the way i splatted so playing hum mal neu again 10:13 have you tried centaur knight? 10:13 no. i want to tho 10:14 the whole jousting without a steed thing seems wild 10:14 i think i'd want to convert to neutral like vaderflag did 10:15 eye + mirror + magic missile bounced off walls 10:16 THEN i could see not needing to hit anything melee 10:17 you will instantly miss see invisible etc ;-) 10:22 -!- qt has joined #evilhack 10:24 from permaconverting? does it make you lose see invis? 10:25 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu), 2168 points, T:3610, killed by a piranha 10:30 amateurhour I mean playing anything but monk 10:30 oh right! 10:30 eazy trinzics 10:31 I think they can still lose see invis from magic traps pre-crowning 10:31 rangers too I think 10:31 not sure 10:32 I think you're right, pretty sure that happened to rebatela last game 10:41 pre-crowning yes, magic traps will toggle see invis on/off 10:41 post-crowning, see invis cannot be taken away 10:41 ^ more incentive to get your ass crowned 10:42