00:19 K2: i found a good farming strat in evil but i am afraid to tell you because i know you will nerf it lol 00:26 tell me! 00:32 Dang, I just about drop kicked myself into oblivion. 00:33 Apparently this critter has a passive terminal illness ability 00:33 Lucky my prayer timeout was good 00:38 bouquet: have zombie horde spawn. proceed to linger and kill them over and over, getting a good load of items including food 00:39 gnome/kobold zombies are especially good for that since you can kill them in one hit 00:40 each kill, even if its the same zombie you killed 15 times already, also *appears* to count against your total killcount so they can become extinct. please no nerf except the last thing 00:41 I mean that's zombies though 00:43 yes, so its still risky but especially with gnome zeds its trivial 00:43 the chance you get sick from that is very low 00:51 so what do you think about my hax 00:52 are they getting fresh inventories when they rise? 00:52 cuz re-killing a troll is usually an annoyance, not a way to get items 00:53 Will they keep re-rising forever NetSysFire, or is there a limit? 00:53 spicyCebolla: yes 00:53 Just RNG basically 00:53 yup 00:53 Looksfar: sometimes the corpses will just rot away 00:53 And yeah it's a vanilla-ism as with trolls 00:53 or the zombie will not leave a corpse 00:54 Sometimes you get lucky and the corpse just goes 00:54 I wondered about that, seemed like I'd been fighting these same zombies for a while 00:54 Or that 00:56 Hi, I'm Looksfar, and my giant is a boulderholic 00:56 It started out with just one or two boulders, here and there 00:57 One day he woke up in a boulder fort 00:57 Just can't stop picking them up 00:57 !whereis Looksfar 00:57 NetSysFire: [hdf-us] Looksfar [evil]: (Mon Gia Mal Neu) T:19897 The Dungeons of Doom level: 10 00:57 oh no. you are a monk. does stone to flesh tempt you? 00:57 ...no? 00:58 giants that are Ill or Stunned should leak boulders 00:58 like just leave a trail of them every time you move 00:58 I feel like a kid with a pocket full of gravel 00:58 a zombie horde just spawned. lets see what i get 00:59 so far a dunce cap and a lockpick 01:04 It's a good thing I'm a giant in this game. It's one of those "no BoH" games 01:05 F you, rng 01:05 Just use a box instead :^) 01:06 get a hollow boulder 01:06 Ooooo 01:06 I like the way you think 01:09 I shouldn't curse RNG, it probably saved my life 01:09 Would've been screwed many times over w/o reflection 01:09 I'm wondering how I'm going to manage MR in this game though 01:09 Can't wear cloaks or body armor 01:10 Amulet or QA 01:10 and/or Drambo, sike 01:11 forgot you can sac for it 01:11 QA? 01:11 Quest arti 01:11 I think you can also wear dragon scales as a giant 01:11 Though I forget if that's Tiamat's or dragon scales in general 01:11 Reaaallly... 01:11 I'll test that later 01:12 Haven't heard of Drambo either, but don't tell me 01:12 Oh right shit, you were playing unspoiled 01:12 Yeah. Sincerest apologies 01:12 Don't worry, I'm not going to pretend to know nothing and I enjoy chatting :) 01:12 fwiw I may be misremembering the scale thing as well, so don't quote me 01:13 What I don't know is coming alarmingly close to killing me tho 01:13 Haven't been able to find a unihorn yet and something I kicked made me terminally ill 01:13 That got my heart going 01:16 tiamat will fit 01:16 "Gray fungus", just found another one 01:16 That's an Un import 01:16 I really need a unihorn 01:17 I'd just chuck stuff at 'em like most molds I don't have an answer for 01:18 I'm having to condition myself not to pummel everything I see 01:18 It's really hard though...giant smash! 01:18 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Inf Ith Fem Una), 10188 points, T:7310, killed by a gold golem 01:18 damn 01:20 a gray fungus made tinklebear accidentally kill his very fancy, naughty chaotic (black, of course) horse 01:20 it was a Moment 01:21 naughty horse hah 01:21 Boulders, bro, is the way to go 01:23 So far boulders have been a good solution to most of my problems 01:23 what happens if you throw a boulder at a unicorn? 01:23 does it catch it? 01:23 ...I'll let you know. 01:23 I'd think it does 01:23 Assuming I can find one... 01:23 It'll have to contort its spine a little 01:23 but nbd 01:26 Ah, rings of teleport control are gold in my game, and leps steal them 01:26 Not as bad as if it was free action, but annoying 01:26 * NetSysFire gives Looksfar a tengu 01:26 now the important question is, can you stash your boulders into your sack? 01:26 Doesn't matter, no BoH 01:26 no i mean an ordinary sack 01:26 no boh 01:26 Nope 01:26 aw 01:27 and chests? 01:27 My giant is a vegan tenkuveddimuch 01:27 He also enjoys yoga and long walks in the park 01:30 by parks do you mean mountain ranges 01:30 Heh 01:31 And yipe yipe yipe...descend a stairs and have a mind flayer sitting there eating my brains 01:31 I don't have many to spare 01:38 ouch 01:44 @e?orcus 01:44 Orcus (&) | Lvl: 66 | Diff: 36 | Spd: 15 | Res: fire poison drain | Confers: nothing | MR: 85 | Generates: unique | AC: -6 | Attacks: 4d4 weapon physical, 4d4 weapon physical, 3d4 claw wither, 6d6 cast spell, 2d4 sting drain str | Alignment: -20 | Flags: flies, seeinvis, poisonous, nopoly, stalker, covetous, infravisible 01:45 Evil Orcus is a Hoe™ 01:47 i was looking if hes still not resistant to stoning 01:55 Confirmed that shimmering dragonscales at least do not fit a giant 02:05 Looksfar do you play via hterm? 02:05 When at home (as now) yes. My game looks like crap on Putty on Windows 02:06 I could help fix that once I get done bathin' 02:07 Not sure why my config file doesn't work in Putty, but thanks...I'd welcome your advice 02:09 i'm done messin with the website 02:09 so you should be safe hah 02:09 Grazzi 02:10 and yeah its not hard to make nethack look *good* on putty 02:11 alright all gnite o/ 02:11 G'night! 02:11 -!- Looksfar has quit [Quit: Zzzzz] 02:28 -!- Umbire has quit [Killed (silver.libera.chat (Nickname regained by services))] 02:28 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 02:29 -!- Umbire is now known as Guest9612 02:29 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 02:31 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 02:32 -!- Guest9612 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:42 -!- Umbire has quit [Quit: Umbire zaps a wand of digging!] 02:42 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 02:45 -!- Umbire has quit [Client Quit] 02:46 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 02:50 [hdf-us] [evil] Cronos (Inf Gia Fem Una), 83793 points, T:30858, killed by a death ray 02:54 GoProt only seem to give 2 AC + enchantment 02:54 if I'm reading correctly anyway 02:59 Umbire: I think that aspect of GoPro's are overhyped. Youtube kids these days... ;) 02:59 * Umbire swats 03:03 But seriously, is that correct 03:03 I wanna make sure I get it right for the article 03:04 I'm not actually sure, didn't they give MC? 03:04 Seems like I am, default material is cloth (which explains a lot) 03:06 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) made her first wish - "blessed fixed stone +2 gauntlets of power", on T:2513 03:23 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) became literate by engraving "asdfasdf", on T:3051 04:00 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:4521 04:09 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) murdered her faithful pseudodragon, on T:5211 04:10 D'oh. :( 04:10 > The gray dragon twangs! You kill the poor gnome mummy! 04:10 > You hear the studio audience applaud! 04:33 -!- Umbire has quit [Quit: Umbire zaps a wand of digging!] 04:34 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, acquiring a magic marker, on T:7059 04:35 Hmph. Opening two doors didn't give me two prizes! 04:35 (One could hope) 04:47 [hdf-us] [evil] ligang (Val Hum Fem Neu), 1453 points, T:3991, killed by a black unicorn 05:06 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) killed Aphrodite, on T:11002 05:25 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 26020 points, T:11870, killed by an Aleax 05:30 [hdf-us] [evil] ligang (Val Hum Fem Neu) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Odin, on T:6781 05:35 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 05:48 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 06:00 -!- amateurhour has joined #evilhack 06:04 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) destroyed the invisible lacca's ghost, the former Jail-bird, on T:2899 06:15 [hdf-us] [evil] ligang (Val Hum Fem Neu) had a stone spear entrusted to her by Odin, on T:9571 06:15 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 4767 points, T:4304, zombified by a gnoll witherling, while praying 06:45 -!- greenSatan has joined #evilhack 06:51 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 1166 points, T:1699, killed by an arrow 06:52 hi all 06:52 greenSatan: Hey, bob. 06:54 what is evilhack? 06:55 it's a really difficult variant of the game nethack 06:55 a video game? 06:55 yeah, a classic roguelike game 06:56 -!- rebatela has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:56 -!- greenSatan has left #evilhack 06:56 heh 07:00 Not often we get smart people who don't hang around once they learn what we're about! 07:01 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 07:11 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed the human high priest of Moloch, on T:94489 07:11 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 1656 points, T:1558, killed by a human watch captain 07:11 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:94491 07:12 [hdf-us] [evil] ligang (Val Hum Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:13470 07:45 -!- elenmirie has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:54 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) genocided shocking spheres, on T:94508 08:02 dammit double trouble and he stole eyes of overworld from me 08:04 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:94827 08:05 it can't be destroyed right? 08:06 Not easily 08:06 i killed him over water once. how would i get it out if that's where it is? I froze the water but that didn't do anything 08:06 freeze and dig 08:06 i know with the book it does but those artifacts are differetn 08:06 ah ok 08:06 it just made a pit 08:06 i suppose i don't need it, but it would be nice 08:06 If it's not in the pit, that's not where they are 08:07 infidel YANI: if you levelport to heaven (dlvl -11 etc) you don't get accepted into heaven you get rejected 08:07 scroll of magic detection should show me right? I have afew of those 08:07 i wonder if one of my pets picked it up. i should loot them 08:08 magic detection doesnt show any eyes. he DEFINITELY stole it on this level. i saw the message 08:09 wtf 08:09 pets don't have it 08:09 unless maybe titan put it in boh? 08:11 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 2514030 points, T:94895, decapitated by a vorpal jabberwock 08:11 dammit 08:11 F 08:11 forgot there was one 08:11 o shit 08:11 !lastgame rebatela 08:11 i knew it was coming up too 08:11 VaderFLAG: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/r/rebatela/evilhack/dumplog/1633867424.evil.html :: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/r/rebatela/evilhack/dumplog/1633211496.evil.html 08:11 i had 2 pimped out titans and vamp mage ugh 08:11 Wow it hit the decap on the first round too 08:11 yep i took one step 08:12 couldn't see it around the corner 08:12 Nasty. 08:13 [hdf-us] [evil] ligang (Val Hum Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed fixed +2 gray dragon scale mail", on T:15543 08:13 I find it really rewarding when the game kills me in a way that wouldn't have been possible without how it just screwed me a few turns ago -- like taking your Eyes so you wouldn't notice the vorpal jabberwock. An honorable death! 08:13 heh. yeah 08:14 still want to know where the eyes went. i've had that happen before when he steals an artifact and it disappears like that 08:14 had to kill him a bunch on that level. i deserved it back 08:15 should have put had the eyes in my bag, but I wanted it for the reason krm26 described... I was wearing mr cloak in case he stole it 08:15 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Ran Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed fixed +2 dragonhide hawaiian shirt of drain resistance", on T:73681 08:16 Hopefully if someone finds the bones they'll track down the eyes for you 08:16 still had a couple markers and at least 2 wishes.. i was kicking ass. but those vorpal jabberwocks suck. I guess i should have worn lifesaving 08:16 yeah it will be some SICK bones 08:17 although they'll have my spectre, 2 titans and a vamp mage all kitted out (plus the VJ) 08:21 krm26: "rewarding". I sense we don't speak quite the same language. ;) 08:24 I much prefer a dramatic and drawn-out frustrating death to ascension (once I've built a full kit) 08:26 And I get them a lot since I get soooo bored getting the book and candle; right now my wizard has 4 spare wishes, every item I could want, and I can only put a few minutes at a time into the grind of descent before getting distracted 08:26 That's why I've always wanted a way to give a character to someone else to play; I like building invincible kits that have gone no deeper than the valley (or these days, maybe clearing vecna) 08:27 Round-robin accounts? 08:28 A lot of people think that is cheating but I don't really see it -- still just a single character, and only the person who ascended would get the stats, which is fine by me 08:28 I'm sure there are people who enjoy the endgame a lot more than I do 08:29 I like the limited resources challenges a lot more than the infinite resources challenges I guess 08:29 i know what ya mean 08:29 although I don't think you're alone with getting bored post-castle 08:30 Astral is fun again, but down through Gehennom and the elemental planes particularly I don't enjoy 08:30 hey an evilhack round robin could be fun 08:30 (especially in vanilla) 08:30 I recommend trying wishless and see how that feels 08:30 I've suggested a tournament where everyone starts with the same savegame 08:30 great idea Pinkbeast 08:30 And the same seed 08:30 i was going to say the same thing vaderflag lol 08:30 also include bonesless :P 08:31 I seem to enjoy the games when I don't get an early wish, but get to castle etc. more and often want to continue playing wishless (but never do) 08:31 I've played wishless but I don't think evilhack is very ascendable without wishes (maybe 10% as much?) 08:31 Wishless vanilla is as fun as vanilla can get 08:31 WELLLLLL 08:32 Don't get me wrong, I don't think evilhack is EASY once you have a full kit. I just don't think it is as much fun 08:32 All I can say is try it and see how it feels re: you feeling like you have it all and how far you can get 08:32 You misunderstand me 08:32 I didn't say evilhack isn't hard after the part I really enjoy, I said I don't enjoy the *type* of difficulty 08:32 I can't autoascend evilhack like I can vanilla 08:33 krm26: I can relate, I'm not nearly as good as you are, but in vanilla as a particular example, once I'm past the castle, it's... A somewhat boring. 08:34 (I'm certainly not claiming to be super-good either -- my games are often like 5x longer than they really need to be) 08:34 But vanilla is pretty deterministic at a certain point; a point that can be substantially earlier than the castle even 08:35 (of course I say that after quickly killing probably 10-30 characters for a good enough start :-) 08:35 Any start can make often it with really careful and cautious play but I don't usually have the stomach for that 08:36 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Ran Hum Mal Neu) killed Medusa, on T:74074 08:36 But I *love* the struggling-for-the-first-BoH/MR/reflection/decentweapon/etc part of the game 08:36 And I *love* the building an unassailable altar chest full of holy water and every wand, ring, amulet, scroll, and piece of armor in creation 08:37 sounds rather like vanilla in that you like everything before the actual process of running the ascension 08:37 And I *love* making all my equipment +2/3 blessed greased dragonhide 08:37 evilhack is VERY different from vanilla in the early/mid game too (I think) 08:37 yes but the larger scale pattern 08:37 I think evilhack has made many positive changes to the midgame/endgame, I'm not dissing on that 08:38 you like the interesting, early part of the game where you don't have everything you need yet, and the game after that point is less interesting 08:38 It is a flaw of mine that I don't enjoy that part as much 08:38 not *bad* but less interesting 08:38 slex 'fixes' that by adding a whole host of ways your equipment can be destroyed/teleported/etc 08:38 I think this is a very hard problem for a variant to tackle (xnethack certainly doesn't address it) 08:39 I guess I should say I intellectually "like" evilhack's endgame, I think it is the best of the variants in that regard. I just don't enjoy it as much as the rest 08:39 i think almost everyone finds the early/midgame the more fun part, and most variants try to make the gehennom part better 08:39 In a "great-chain-of-being" game like nethack I think the problem is that there is too much game after you have reached the top of that chain 08:40 Too many game mechanics "run out" 08:40 i like the the variety of evilhack now that you don't know which demon lords you're going to get/which maps etc. but it's still more fun before you have a kit 08:42 what if you did the invocation at the castle, and had to solve gehennom bottom to top with the amulet? 08:42 For some *minor tweaks* that address the "huge-amount-of-time-at-the-top" issue, I would suggest making Gehennom filler levels tiny (a la vanilla Vlad's tower) and cutting consumable/magic drops by 90% once past the valley 08:42 the tower of gehennom 08:42 I've previously suggested to K2 having nothing below the valley. When you enter Gehennom it changes the dungeon above you into Gehennom and you ascend through Gehennom 08:43 That removes your stash obviously 08:43 sounds fun 08:43 I think that just ends up with players carting as much stash as they can carry down the stairs 08:43 stashes are boring anyway 08:44 You can make entry into Gehennom inadvisable when overloaded if you want to 08:44 that's a band-aid, it will still end up with players carting the maximum advisable amount of items down the stairs 08:44 amateurhack will have magic chests, and an item that lets you deposit (but not withdraw) from magic chests anywhere 08:45 But either way it is still a nice shortening mechanism. It could be kinda cool, with the random Gehennom levels just being the old dungeon levels but with fire and crap laid over everything 08:45 (and items destroyed :-) 08:45 amateurhour: *thiefstone has entered the chat* 08:45 do thiefstones deposit into a magic chests? I was thinking an unlimited use magic token or something 08:46 Yeah, I find evilhack is just so much _fun_, even though I keep dying before I get to the castle. :) 08:46 not a magic chest, just a keyed location (into a container if one is there), but if they're uncursed then they have no limit 08:46 of course they also have restrictions on what can be sent, not literally any possible item 08:46 the player is not a dungeon vacuum cleaner 08:46 the great part about amateurhack not existing is I can say it'll have all the best features and not have to do anything for it 08:47 I don't have a variant, I don't have to follow my dreams 08:48 if you keep it up people will think you do have a variant 08:48 and you'll start to go "well, maybe..." 08:48 then before you know it your variant has been in junethack for 3 years 08:55 krm's idea is pretty cool 08:55 It bounced hard off K2 the first time I suggested it :-) 08:56 An associated problem with solving the hell grind is that the hell grind is part of the difficulty, and a lot of people don't like nerfing that 08:56 Which is valid 08:57 I've never found the 'hell grind' difficult. 08:57 I usually only die to the various demons and the like. 08:57 demon princes, rather. 08:57 in my idea where the castle takes you directly to sanctum, you'd still have to grind through gehennom on the way up 08:57 but can't prepare by like digging paths to staircases etc, you just gotta yolo it 08:58 because you already have the amulet 08:58 It is difficult because you get lazy/inattentive while doing it 08:58 Inattentiveness is responsible for well over 90% of my deaths 08:58 see, I think 50% of players would appreciate having your asc run be the first traversal of gehennom, and 50% would hate it *because* they can't dig pathways for themselves anymore 08:58 krm26: Ah, well, I do have to admit that I've only done the whole gehenno in vanilla... And there I'm just massively OP that I can afford to make mistakes. 08:58 brainlessness is responsible for 99% of mine, I'm not very smart haha 08:59 A lot of mistakes in evilhack Gehennom are unrecoverable 08:59 Being adjacent to a vorpal jabberwock is the example that his this chat just an hour ago 09:00 Right, fair enough. 09:00 I think only dnh has scarier demon lords than evilhack, but in a way even those are 'easier' than evilhack's 09:00 And that is fine, I just am never very motivated for the grind. I've let characters sit in Gehennom for months before 09:02 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 6898 points, T:7331, suffocated by a gelatinous cube, while paralyzed by a monster 09:02 Speaking of grinding, just died. 09:02 ya got grinded 09:03 Early gelatinous cubes are one of the scariest things in the dungeon 09:03 They make early warning SUPER good 09:03 are they a 5 on warning or something? 09:03 I wish :-) 09:03 They should be a flashing 9 09:03 Just like you can rearrange equipment assignments it would be nice if you could make your OWN difficulty number assignments to monsters 09:04 not sure which variants have warning greater than 5, slashthem does at least 09:04 maybe just slashthem and slex? not sure 09:04 "let's use blinking text," said every developer at some point in their life 09:04 The gelatinious cube isn't normally such a big deal, except they also paralyse you. 09:04 So once you're engulfed... That's it. 09:04 if you see a 6 from warning you know it's something scary 09:04 Even without paralysis they are a big deal due to the engulfing in the early game 09:04 Suffocation plus paralysis is deadly, yes 09:04 what's their difficulty? 09:04 krm26: I had various escape items. 09:04 You can easily suffocate before you can kill them if you have no escape route 09:05 Yeah, but if you're paralysed... None of that matters. 09:05 @e?gelatinous cube 09:05 gelatinous cube (b) | Lvl: 6 | Diff: 10 | Spd: 8 | Res: fire cold sleep shock poison acid petrification | Confers: fire cold sleep shock | MR: 0 | Generates: gehennom dungeons | AC: 8 | Attacks: 2d4 touch paralyze, 1d4 engulf wrap, 1d4 passive paralyze | Alignment: 0 | Flags: genocidable, omnivore, mindless, vegan 09:05 difficulty 10 hrmm 09:05 Difficulty is based on the delta between your level and theirs I think? 09:05 10? 09:05 yow that's low 09:05 yeah 09:05 And it was in soko. 09:05 It doesn't account for killer ability combinations 09:05 I think difficulty is hardcoded isn't it? 09:06 krm26: difficulty is a fixed stat on the monster species, hence why pinobot can report it 09:06 diff 10 means it will show up when the average of XL and level difficulty is 10 09:06 for comparison they're diff 8 in vanilla where they have no engulf or suffocate 09:07 which is pretty early compared to how deadly it is, but same deal with zombies innit 09:07 add instakill bite plus amnesia but it's ok they're difficulty 1 now :^) 09:07 Zombies are at least generally pretty slow. 09:07 And there's usually plenty of space that early./ 09:07 you need to wear free action as soon as you get it for gel cubes. I usually genocide them asap 09:07 Would be nice if there tended to be a eucalyptus tree in dlvl 1, though. 09:08 i've lost so many great starts to those damn things 09:08 rebatela: Yeah, wishful thinking, though, at this point 09:08 i'm just saying in general 09:08 free action prior to soko is rare. 09:08 Here's a crazy idea (just for server-based nethack): Early deaths slightly increase difficulty/penalties in ensuing games (discouraging scumming), and there is no more choice of races/roles/alignments, it is always random :-) 09:08 That actually would be an interesting tournament setting 09:08 wasn't talking about your game. lots of times there's nothing you can do. they suck 09:08 lol really punishing the noobs 09:08 A subtler issue with zombies is that HP-wise they're totally difficulty 1 scrubs who will go down in one hit, but the way to-hit works at that level means you could easily miss several times 09:08 oh u suck at the game? enjoy it being even harder >:) 09:08 Although I do prefer the "duplicate bridge" tournament where everyone starts with the same initial conditions 09:09 Well, G'night. It's midnight over here, afterall. 09:09 Or a pregenerated dungeon top-to-bottom 09:09 night arahael 09:10 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Ran Hum Mal Neu) killed Cerberus, on T:75045 09:10 Eating Cerberus should always give tp control :-( 09:10 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Ran Hum Mal Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:75057 09:14 -!- krm26 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:36 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Ran Hum Mal Neu) killed the invisible Orion, on T:75507 09:53 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Ran Hum Mal Neu) had Vorpal Blade bestowed upon him by Venus, on T:76653 09:55 -!- ChrisANG has joined #evilhack 10:42 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Ran Hum Mal Neu) had Frost Brand bestowed upon him by Venus, on T:78149 11:00 -!- rebatela has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:09 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Elf Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:22763 11:10 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Ran Hum Mal Neu) became Venus' Envoy of Balance, on T:79063 11:17 [hdf-us] [evil] ligang (Val Hum Fem Neu) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:20628 11:19 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Ran Hum Mal Neu) wished for "magic marker", on T:79092 11:29 [hdf-us] [evil] ligang (Val Hum Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, acquiring a helm of speed, on T:21378 11:30 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Ran Hum Mal Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:79365 11:50 -!- krm26 has joined #evilhack 12:01 [hdf-us] [evil] ligang (Val Hum Fem Neu) had a saber entrusted to her by Odin, on T:22568 12:04 ligang! I get more excited by seeing new people playing evilhack than I do by getting Dragonbane 12:04 well, almost 12:04 The best is finding the bones of a new person WITH Dragonbane 12:05 lol 12:05 I can dream 12:08 Is it intentional that picking up boulders as a giant doesn't give you the "You have a little trouble...continue?" prompt? 12:08 I wonder if I'll have better luck as a wizard with unskilled Kas or a rubber chicken against Vecna 12:08 I think so, you can carry a boatload of boulders (and should) 12:09 I mean when picking up the boulders will make you encumbered 12:09 Oh, I bet that is a bug 12:10 K2: Graznop sez you don't get encumbrance warnings as a giant picking up a boulder that tips you over the limit 12:11 You got acid blast? 12:11 I can write a spellbook of it but don't have it, was debating blowing an entire marker or wish on it 12:13 K2: also, with permanent inventory on and showing weights, strengths increases don't update on the perm display 12:14 I'd say it's worth the marker 12:14 K2: When you read a spellbook that is too faint it doesn't update to blank in permanent inventory until you refresh 12:15 Boulder fort, dissolve Vecna with acid :-) 12:16 How do you successfully boulder fort Vecna? I've never successfully aggravated him so he always beats me to the stairs; I could boulder fort once I'm on them but he'll always be adjacent 12:17 I've kill everything else, then blindfold on and blast the sleeping V with magic missile or whatever... 12:17 ...he'll then go to stairs. Loot chest while he's healing. When he starts to teleport back to you, level port out 12:18 I thought Vecna blocked level port 12:18 No, this worked for me 12:19 using the Eye to branchport out 12:19 Oh, branchport probably works, didn't think of that. I think he blocks 90% of all teleportation 12:20 (I haven't run a wizard in about 20 years, and never in evil) 12:20 Oh - probably an oversight then - better do it quickly before it's nerfed! 12:20 I'm not sure if it is intentional or not that branchport beats boss demon tp supression 12:51 Yeah, just branchported out -- feels a lot like cheating to me :-) 12:52 Yay! 12:56 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #evilhack 12:57 -!- ChrisANG has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:57 [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Inf Dem Mal Una) destroyed Vecna, on T:84926 12:59 [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Inf Dem Mal Una) performed his first genocide (two random monsters from class L), on T:84963 13:03 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law), 1828 points, T:2187, killed by an owlbear 13:04 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) had Luck Blade bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:73210 13:04 Oops 13:04 krm26: are you going to go back and kill vecna? 13:05 Yeah, just farting around until my invocation timer is out (and now until I can reconcile with my god) 13:06 I made a boulder fort over the upstairs, then cursed gained level after waking him. Then decended and acid blasted 13:06 branch porting works, too 13:06 Vecna should block all level-changing actions probably 13:06 that would be evil... 13:08 Appropriately so 13:08